AMY GOODMAN: Masu fafutuka na Antiwar na shirin gudanar da zanga-zanga a wajen ofisoshin FBI a biranen kasar yau da gobe bayan da hukumar ta FBI ta kai samame gidaje takwas da ofisoshin masu fafutukar yaki da yaki a Chicago da Minneapolis a ranar Juma'a.
Sammacin binciken da FBI ta yi ya nuna cewa jami’an na neman alakar da ke tsakanin masu fafutukar yakar yaki da kungiyoyi a Colombia da Gabas ta Tsakiya. An bayar da sammacin mutane takwas da su bayyana a gaban babban juri na tarayya a Chicago. Yawancin mutanen da aka bincika gidajensu ko kuma aka ba su takardar sammaci sun taimaka wajen shirya ko kuma halartar zanga-zangar da aka yi a babban taron jam’iyyar Republican a St. Paul, Minnesota, shekaru biyu da suka wuce.
Dokar tarayya da aka ambata a cikin sammacin binciken ta haramta, faɗi, "ba da tallafin kayan aiki ko kayan aiki ga ƙungiyoyin ta'addanci na ƙasashen waje." A watan Yuni, Kotun Koli ta yi watsi da ƙalubalen 'yancin faɗar albarkacin baki ga dokar tallafin kayan aiki daga ƙungiyoyin agaji waɗanda suka ce wasu tanade-tanaden ta na jefa su cikin haɗarin fuskantar tuhuma don yin magana da ƙungiyoyin ta'addanci game da ayyukan da ba su dace ba. Wasu daga cikin kungiyoyin da aka jera sunayensu a cikin sammacin sun hada da Hizbullah, Popular Front for 'Yancin Falasdinu, da Sojojin juyin juya hali na Colombia, ko FARC. Har ila yau, garantin ya ba wa wakilai izini don kama abubuwa kamar kayan lantarki, hotuna, bidiyo, littattafan adireshi da haruffa.
Hare-haren na ranar Juma'a ya zo ne bayan wani bincike da ma'aikatar shari'a ta yi, wanda ya gano cewa hukumar ta FBI ta yi wa kungiyoyin fafutuka da kuma daidaikun mutane kulawa ba daidai ba daga 2001 zuwa 2006.
Don ƙarin, yanzu baƙi uku ne suka haɗa ni.
Kasance tare da mu daga Minneapolis, ɗan gwagwarmaya Jess Sundin da ya daɗe, wanda FBI ta kai hari gidansa da sanyin safiyar Juma'a. Ita mamba ce a Kwamitin Yaki da Yaki, wanda kuma aka kai samame ofisoshinsa.
Kasance tare da mu ta hanyar Democracy Now! Rafin bidiyo daga Chicago shine Joe Iosbaker, wanda gidansa na ɗaya daga cikin biyun da aka kai hari a Chicago Juma'a. Shi ma'aikaci ne na Jami'ar Illinois a Chicago kuma mai kula da SEIU Local 73. Ya taimaka wajen daidaita motocin bas daga Chicago zuwa zanga-zangar a Babban Taron Jam'iyyar Republican a 2008.
Hakanan a Minneapolis muna tare da tsohon jami'in FBI na musamman kuma mai ba da labari Coleen Rowley. Time ta nada mata gwarzuwar shekara, mutumin da ya fi kowacce shekara a shekarar 2002.
Muna maraba da ku duka Democracy Now! Mu fara a Minneapolis da Jess Sundin. Fada mana abinda ya faru.
JESS SUNDIN: Da safiyar Juma’a na farka sai aka buga min kofa, kuma a lokacin da nake kasa, akwai jami’an tarayya shida ko bakwai a gidana, inda abokina da ’yata ‘yar shekara shida tuni suka farka. An ba mu sammacin bincike, kuma suka bi duk gidan. Wataƙila sun shafe kusan sa’o’i huɗu suna cikin duk abubuwan da muka mallaka, kowane littafi, takarda, tufafinmu, kuma sun cika akwatuna da yawa da kwamfutoci, wayoyinmu, fasfo na. Kuma da suka gama, kamar yadda na ce, suna da akwatuna da yawa cike da kayana, da su suka bar gidana.
AMY GOODMAN: Shin kai kadai ne a wurin a safiyar wannan rana?
JESS SUNDIN: A'a, abokin tafiyata da diyata ta farko su ma suna can.
AMY GOODMAN: Me kuma suka nuna maka ka shiga?
JESS SUNDIN: To, muna da baranda inda ba za ka iya ganin ainihin wanda ke waje ba. Don haka, sun riga sun bar kansu cikin baranda a lokacin ɗiyata-matata ta buɗe kofa. Kuma da suka shigo, sai suka nuna mana wannan takarda mai shafi huxu da ta lissafo, kamar yadda na ce, duk irin abubuwan da suka cancanta su duba, su nemo a gidana, da kuma takardar sammaci na bayyana a gaban wani babba. juri. An jera sunana a kan sammacin neman, amma ni da ni da abokin aikina sun karɓi sammacin babban juri a Chicago.
AMY GOODMAN: Mu je Chicago, zuwa Joe Iosbaker. Bayyana abin da ya faru da ku a safiyar Juma'a.
JOE IOSBAKER: To, ainihin labarin daya ne. Hare-hare ne na hadin gwiwa na kasa baki daya kan duk wadannan gidajen. Bakwai na safe, fam ɗin a ƙofar. Ina shirin yin aiki, na sauko daga bene, kuma akwai, ina tsammanin, a cikin yanki na wakilai goma, ka sani, na - sun bayyana kansu a matsayin FBI, sun nuna mani sammacin bincike. Sai na juya ga matata na ce, "Stephanie, 'yan sandan tunani ne."
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma suka shigo?
JOE IOSBAKER: Suka shigo, suka ci gaba da tsara aikinsu a falonmu, suka ci gaba da daukar hoton kowane daki a gidanmu. Na gaba, ban sani ba, mintuna talatin ko arba'in da biyar, sun ci gaba da yin lakabin kowane daki sannan suka bi ta kowane daki, ginshiki, soron mu, dakunan yaranmu, kuma ba duka namu bane. takardu, amma tarin kiɗanmu, zane-zanen yaranmu, mujallolin wakokin ɗana daga makarantar sakandare-komai.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma suna bayyana muku abin da suke yi a lokacin da suke kai farmaki gidanku?
JOE IOSBAKER: Akwai-akwai-wasu daga cikin jami'an, kun san, suna gaya mana abin da suke yi. Yawancinsu ba su kasance ba. Amma sun yi mana bayani.
AMY GOODMAN: Me suka ce muku daidai?
JOE IOSBAKER: To, su—duk abin da suka ce dangane da abin da suke nema shi ne—ka san, sun nuna mana takardar neman, ni da matata, mu ma an sammaci ni da matata.
AMY GOODMAN: Wadanne kungiyoyi kake da su, Joe? Me kuke ganin suke nema?
JOE IOSBAKER: To, kamar yadda ka ce a farkon, ni ƙwararren ƙwadago ne. Haka yawancin mutane suka san ni. Ni ne kuma mai ba da shawara na ma'aikata a UIC na Students for a Democratic Society babin.
AMY GOODMAN: Wannan ita ce Jami'ar Illinois, Chicago.
JOE IOSBAKER: Daidai Kuma, ka sani, na kasance mai fafutukar siyasa tsawon shekaru talatin da uku, don haka na kasance memba a kungiyoyi da dama da kuma yakin neman zabe.
AMY GOODMAN: Coleen Rowley, kai tsohon jami'in FBI ne, mai ba da labari, mai suna Time Mutum na Shekara a 2002. Za ku iya bayyana abin da kuke tsammani ke faruwa a nan? Hakanan, sanya shi a cikin mahallin wannan ma'aikatar shari'a mai ban sha'awa IG - Sufeto Janar - rahoton da ya fito kwanan nan kan sa ido kan masu fallasa-maimakon sa ido na masu fafutuka cikin kusan shekaru goma da suka gabata.
COLEEN ROWLEY: Da kyau, ba zan iya yin cikakken cikakken bayani game da duk abubuwan shari'a waɗanda suka canza tun 9/11 ba, amma kawai an sami canjin teku. Misali, lokacin da na koyar da haƙƙin tsarin mulki a cikin FBI, ɗayan manyan abubuwan da suka fi fifiko shine haƙƙin Gyaran Farko. Kuma yayin da wannan ba shine karo na farko da kuka ga wannan Orwellian ya juya yaƙar ta'addanci akan ƙungiyoyin zaman lafiya na cikin gida da ƙungiyoyin adalci na zamantakewa - a zahiri, muna da hakan da sauri bayan 9/11, kuma akwai ra'ayoyin doka, Ofishin na ra'ayoyin Lauyan Shari'a, wanda ya ce Kwaskwarimar Farko ba ta sake sarrafa yakin da ta'addanci ba - amma duk da haka, wannan abin ban mamaki ne kuma mai ban tsoro cewa a wannan lokacin muna da, ka sani, ba da shawarwarin jin kai a yanzu ana daukar su azaman tallafin kayan aiki ga 'yan ta'adda.
Mun kuma ga kawai, abin mamaki, kwanaki hudu kafin wannan harin na kasa, mun ga Babban Sufeto Janar na Ma'aikatar Shari'a ya fitar da wani rahoto wanda ya soki FBI na tsawon shekaru hudu na hare-haren kungiyoyin gida irin su Greenpeace, Cibiyar Thomas Merton a Pittsburgh. zanga-zangar adawa da yaki daban-daban, har ma da binciken cewa daraktan FBI ya ba su karya ga Majalisa game da hujjar FBI ta sanya ido kan kungiyar zaman lafiya.
AMY GOODMAN: Me ya faru a Iowa, Coleen Rowley fa?
COLEEN ROWLEY: To, wannan wani misali ne. Kuma wannan shine ainihin bayan iyakokin binciken IG. Binciken IG ya tafi kawai zuwa 2006. Akwai buƙatun cewa IG ɗin ya ci gaba. Babu shakka an sami ƙarin shekaru huɗu. Kuma a cikin 2008, mun gano ta hanyar neman 'Yancin Bayani cewa akwai shafuka 300 na - Ina tsammanin hudu ko biyar ne, wakilai shida suna bin rukunin ɗalibai a cikin Iowa City zuwa wuraren shakatawa, dakunan karatu, mashaya, gidajen abinci. Har suka bi ta shara. Don haka, wannan wani dalili ne da ya sa ƙungiyoyin zaman lafiya, da kuma malaman shari'a, dole ne su damu sosai a yanzu game da wannan mummunar fassarar da ta ce ba da shawara ga 'yancin ɗan adam-Dole ne in ambaci, muna da wani shahararren Minnesotan wanda ya rubuta. Kofuna uku na shayi. Kuma a fili yake ya kafa makarantu a Pakistan da Afghanistan. Sunansa Greg Mortenson. Babu shakka, mutane irinsa da Jimmy Carter ma suna cikin haɗari, idan aka yi la’akari da wannan ƙwaƙƙwaran hankali a yanzu don a ce duk wanda ke aiki a wata ƙasa, ko da don zaman lafiya ko ayyukan jin kai, hana azabtarwa, ko ta yaya za su iya yin watsi da dokar PATRIOT.
AMY GOODMAN: Kwamitin Ikilisiya a cikin 1970s da gaske ya busa murfin buɗe kan leƙen asirin CIA a gida, sannan kuma an zartar da ƙa'idodi daga baya. Yaya ake amfani da su a yau, lokacin da ake sa ido a kan Amurkawa, ana kutsawa, leken asiri a gida?
COLEEN ROWLEY: To, wannan kuma daya ne daga cikin abubuwan, baya ga hukuncin kotun koli. Dama bayan 9/11, Babban Mai Shari'a ya fara lalata waɗannan jagororin. Ainihin ya ce jami'an FBI za su iya shiga masallatai da wurare makamantansu don sanya ido, don haka mafari ke nan. Kusan-kusan aikin hukuma na ƙarshe da Bush yayi a cikin 2008 shine cewa ya goge waɗannan jagororin AG gaba ɗaya. Lallai babu bukatar ko da nuna hujja ta gaskiya a yanzu. Zaton gaba ɗaya ya koma baya. Kuma ainihin FBI suna buƙatar kawai su faɗi cewa ba su yi niyya ba - cewa ba sa hari ƙungiya ne kawai dangane da amfani da haƙƙin Gyaran Farko. Don haka zato ya yi, kuma, cikakken juzu'i.
Kuma, ba shakka, shi ya sa kuke ganin waɗannan badaƙala iri-iri a yanzu suna fitowa. Bai kamata wani ya zama abin mamaki ba cewa idan babu takura, hasken koren yana kunne, da kuke gani, ba shakka-Na ji tausayin FBI. Na kasance ina horar da waɗannan wakilai, kuma zan iya fahimtar babban matsin da suke ciki. Kuma, ba shakka, wannan shine dalilin da ya sa yana da matukar muhimmanci a isar da sanarwa ga jami'an da ke da alhakin yin amfani da hankalinsu cewa su yi amfani da hankalinsu wajen neman 'yan ta'adda na gaske maimakon bin kungiyoyin zaman lafiya.
AMY GOODMAN: Jess Sundin, menene shirin ku yanzu? Ina nufin, a karshen mako na ga bidiyon taron ku na gaggawa na kan layi - mutane da yawa sun fito don wannan, suna taruwa - kuma sun yi magana game da RNC 8, mutane takwas da aka kama da gangan a cikin jagorancin Republican. al'ada, duk ana tuhumar su akan kirga ta'addanci. Duk wadancan kididdigar ta'addanci an yi watsi da su yanzu. Amma tabbas lokaci ne mai ban tsoro. Menene shirin ku yanzu?
JESS SUNDIN: To, kamar yadda ka ambata, a cikin Tagwayen Biranen mun yi taro a daren da aka kai farmakin. Akwai fiye da mutane 200 da suka taru, kuma da gaske kowace ƙungiya a cikin Twin Cities. Amma zan ce kungiyoyi marasa adadi a fadin kasar nan sun tuntube mu don tambayar mu ta yaya za su taimaka. Za a yi muzahara yau da gobe kamar yadda kuka ambata a baya, a akalla garuruwa ashirin a fadin kasar nan. Mun samu labarin shirye-shiryen gudanar da zanga-zanga a ofisoshin jakadanci a wasu kasashe, da kuma ofisoshin jakadancin Amurka.
Don haka, daya daga cikin abubuwan da muke yi shi ne kokarin jawo hankali ga abin da ya faru da kuma bayyana wa mutane cewa ba mu yi wani laifi ba. Babu wata madogara ga da'awar cewa ta kowace hanya mun ba da tallafi ga kungiyoyin ta'addanci. Amma a gaskiya ma, muna kasancewa - muna kasancewa - akwai hankali a kanmu saboda aikinmu a cikin gwagwarmayar antiwar, musamman ma, ra'ayinmu na haɗin kai tare da mutane a cikin ƙasashen da yakin Amurka da yakin basasa ke faruwa.
Mu, muna bin diddigin waɗannan zanga-zangar, za mu haɗu da haɗin gwiwar mutane daga yawancin waɗannan ƙungiyoyi waɗanda suka nuna damuwarsu. Jama'a da suke son shiga cikin hakan za su iya samun mu ta Kwamitin Yaki da Yaki yanar, wanda ya tsufa sosai. Muna iyakar kokarinmu don mu tashi. Tabbas, kamar yadda muka bayyana, an kama dukkan kwamfutocin mu. Don haka muna yin abubuwa da yawa, muna ƙoƙari mu tsara kanmu.
Kuma, ba shakka, muna kuma damu sosai da yin tsare-tsare na doka don kare kanmu. An kira mutane da yawa a gaban babban juri a Chicago. Kuma mu, ka sani, ba ma son zama—ka sani, shari’ar da za a tsara ta kewaye da mu. Dukkanmu muna da kwarin gwiwa cewa babu wani abu da aka samu a gidajenmu da zai tabbatar da ikirarin da ake mana. Kuma a gaskiya, babu wani tuhuma da ake yi mana. Amma muna son yin duk abin da za mu iya don kare kanmu ta hanyar doka yayin da a lokaci guda muna aiki tare da motsi don jawo hankali ga abin da ya faru.
AMY GOODMAN: Joe Iosbaker, Ina so in tambaye ku game da sauran gidan da aka kai hari. Dubi wani yanki na AP kawai, jami'an FBI a Chicago sun dauki kwamfutar tafi-da-gidanka da takardu daga gidan Ba'amurke Ba'amurke mai fafutuka Hatem Abudayyeh, wanda shi ne babban darektan kungiyar Arab American Action Network. Lauyan sa, Jim Fennerty, ya ce, kokarin da gwamnati ke yi na yin shiru ga masu fafutuka. A gaskiya lamarin yana da ban tsoro, "in ji shi. Abudayeh dan kasar Amurka ne, ko za ka iya magana kan aikin da kake yi kan Isra'ila da Falasdinu, wacece Hatem Abudayyeh?
JOE IOSBAKER: To, a gaskiya dole in yi magana game da aikin matata. Matata ta dade tana fafutukar neman hadin kai a cikin kungiyar hadin kan Falasdinu. Kuma-
AMY GOODMAN: Stephanie Weiner ne adam wata.
JOE IOSBAKER: Daidai An kuma sammace ta. Kuma da gaske kowa da kowa a cikin gwagwarmayar antiwar a Chicago ya san Hatem. Ka sani, idan ka waiwaya ta yanar gizo, ka kalli bidiyon zanga-zangar nan na dubban mutane da suka yi maci lokacin da Isra’ila ta kai wa Gaza hari shekaru biyu da suka wuce, Hatem ita ce mai martaba a kusan kowane babban gangami. Kuma Arab American Action Network ita ce cibiyar farko ta al'ummar Larabawa a cikin birni, wacce aka kafa a ƙarshen 1960s da farkon 1970s. Don haka Hatem shine fitaccen dan gwagwarmayar Falasdinu a birnin Chicago. Ba abin mamaki ba ne cewa sun yi masa hari.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma kuna shirya, Joe Iosbaker, a kusa da Colombia. A cikin minti daya, Ingrid Betancourt za ta haɗu da mu, wanda, da kyau, kamar yadda kuka sani, aka kama shi—
JOE IOSBAKER: Ee.
AMY GOODMAN: - fiye da shekaru shida. Amma yaya game da aikinku a kusa da Colombia, tunda ga alama Isra'ila-Palesdinu da Colombia sune manyan abubuwan da suka fi mayar da hankali kan wannan hari na FBI?
JOE IOSBAKER: Da kyau, a zahiri ina tsammanin ya kamata in jinkirta wannan tambayar ga Jess, wanda ke da ƙarin gogewa a aikin haɗin kai na Colombia.
AMY GOODMAN: Jess Sundin in Minneapolis.
JESS SUNDIN: Ee, ƙungiyar antiwar ta daɗe tana damuwa da wuraren da Amurka ke ba da tallafin yaƙi a ƙasashen waje, kuma akwai babban yaƙin basasa da ke kunno kai a Colombia, kuma ita ce ƙasa ta uku mafi girma da ke karɓar taimakon sojan Amurka, don haka Colombia matsala ce sosai ga antiwar. motsi. Na yi tafiya zuwa Kolombiya kuma na fahimci cewa wuri ne mafi haɗari a duniya zama ƴan ƙungiyar kwadago. Kuma, a gaskiya ma, duk wanda ke da hannu a harkar zamantakewar da ke can, gwamnati na kallonsa, da kuma ’yan sanda na kashe-kashe, a matsayin dan tawaye kuma ana daukar su kamar haka. Sabili da haka, na san cewa binciken yana da sha'awar tafiye-tafiye-Na yi tafiya zuwa Colombia-kuma [ya] yi ƙoƙarin kafa wani nau'i na dangantaka, wanda babu. Amma wannan ya ce, Ina goyon bayan gwagwarmayar Colombia kuma na shiga cikin wannan.
AMY GOODMAN: Coleen Rowley, ta yaya aka kwatanta 'yancin ɗan adam, abin da kuke gani a yau a ƙarƙashin gwamnatin Obama, da Shugaba Bush, wanda tabbas kuka busa usur?
COLEEN ROWLEY: To, ba zan iya yin magana na tsawon sa'o'i biyu a nan ba, saboda haka zai ɗauki ni. A zahiri na bukaci FBI tun da wuri - har ma na rubuta babi, "'Yancin Jama'a da Bincike Mai Kyau." Kuma abin takaici, waɗannan gargaɗin an riga an yi watsi da su—na kaina da wasu da yawa—an yi watsi da su. Ko da 9/11 Hukumar ta mayar da hankali - uku daga cikin shawarwarinsu, daga cikin arba'in da daya, sun kasance a kan samar da hukumar sa ido kan sirri da 'yancin walwala. Kuma Bush ya zare tagulla daga ƙarƙashin wannan jirgi da wuri. Kuma Obama, bayan shekaru biyu, bai taba nada wani mutum ba, ko daya daga cikin kujeru biyar a wannan hukumar, wanda abin mamaki ne idan aka yi la’akari da abin da ke faruwa, har ma da bayyana azabtarwa da kuma sa ido maras tushe.
Abin da mutane ke buƙata su yi shi ne su nemi da gaske fiye da binciken IG kawai. Suna buƙatar neman Majalisa don ɗaukar wani abu kamar sabon Kwamitin Ikilisiya. Kuma a zahiri an nemi hakan. Barbara Lee, ina tsammanin, a zahiri tana da tsari shekara guda da ta wuce don wani abu makamancin haka. Don haka ya kamata mu tuntubi zaɓaɓɓun wakilanmu kuma mu nemi Majalisa ta ɗauki mafi girman sa ido kan wannan—abin da ke faruwa.
AMY GOODMAN: To, tabbas za mu ci gaba da bibiyar wannan shari'ar yayin da take gudana. Ina so in gode muku, Coleen Rowley, tsohon wakilin FBI, mai ba da labari, mai suna Time Mutum na Shekara a 2002. Jess Sundin da Joe Iosbaker, godiya sosai don kasancewa tare da mu. Na san wannan lokaci ne mai wahala a gare ku. An kai wa gidajensu duka biyu hari, kwamfutoci, bayanan kula, da sauran abubuwan da aka dauka. Hakan ya faru ne da safiyar Juma'a. Kuma, ba shakka, za mu ci gaba da bin waɗannan shari'o'i biyu.
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