Christine Ahn ungumsunguli kanye nomxhumanisi wamazwe ngamazwe we-Women Cross DMZ inhlangano yomhlaba wonke yabesifazane abagqugquzela ukuthula eKorea. Uhole abenzi bokuthula abangama-30 besifazane ku-DMZ yonkana ngo-2015. Uphinde wasungula isikhungo senqubomgomo yase-Korea kanye nenethiwekhi yokuthula yase-Korea.
U-AARON MATE: Yizindaba Zangempela. Ngingu-Aaron Matรฉ. UMongameli uTrump usephindeke kabili ekwesabiseni kwakhe umlilo nolaka eNorth Korea. Manje uTrump uthi mhlawumbe ubengaqinile ngokwanele.
UDonald Trump: Eqinisweni, abantu abebebuza leso sitatimende besingenzima kakhulu, mhlawumbe besingenzima ngokwanele. Sekuyisikhathi eside bekwenza lokhu ezweni lakithi, iminyaka eminingi, futhi sekuyisikhathi sokuthi umuntu abambelele kubantu bakuleli zwe nakubantu bamanye amazwe, ngakho-ke uma kukhona, mhlawumbe leso sitatimende sasingekho. iqine ngokwanele. Sisekelwa ngu-100% ngamasosha ethu. Sisekelwa yiwo wonke umuntu futhi sisekelwa abanye abaholi abaningi, futhi ngibonile ukuthi ama-senator amaningi nabanye namuhla baphume kakhulu bevumelana nalokho engikushilo, kodwa uma kukhona, leso sitatimende singase singabi namandla ngokwanele.
U-AARON MATE: Ongijoyinayo nguChristine Ahn, umsunguli nomxhumanisi wamazwe ngamazwe we-Women Cross DMZ, inhlangano yomhlaba wonke yabesifazane egqugquzela ukuthula eKorea. Uphinde abe ngumsunguli we-Korea Policy Institute kanye ne-Korea Peace Network. Christine, wamukelekile.
CHRISTINE AHN: Ngiyabonga ngokuba nami.
U-AARON MATE: Kuyini ukuhlola kwakho ukuthi izinto zikuphi? Akuyena uTrump kuphela okhuluma ngale ndlela. UNobhala wezokuVikela uJames Mattis izolo ukhulume ngokucekelwa phansi kwabantu baseNorth Korea. Ngakolunye uhlangothi, sineNorth Korea esabisa ngokushintsha i-US Mainland ibe inkundla yempi yenuzi. Khuluma nathi mayelana, njengamanje, ukuthi izinto zikuphi.
CHRISTINE AHN: Izinto zisendaweni eyingozi ngempela futhi uyazi, lezi zitatimende eziphuma kuzo zonke iziphathamandla zikaTrump zibudedengu. Bayingozi, futhi njengoba uphawule ngasohlangothini lwaseNyakatho Korea, inkulumo yabo iye yaqhuma ngokulinganayo, ngakho-ke ubhekene nesimo lapho inkulumo iphezulu kakhulu, igcwele kangangokuthi wonke umuntu udlala umdlalo wenkukhu. Okusondelayo esikhathini esingangesonto imidlalo yempi yase-US-South Korea elingisa ukuhlasela, ukuhlasela, ukunqunywa ikhanda kobuholi baseNyakatho Korea. Uma unalesi simo sokungakhulumisani futhi okuwukuphela kokuxhumana kuyinkulumo eyibhomu ekhuphula izinga kuzo zonke izinhlangothi, maningi amathuba okuba singabala kahle, singakhulumisani kahle, singaqondi okungase kusiholele ekungqubuzaneni okungenzeka. Lokho kuzohlanganisa bonke abadlali besifunda abangase babe yimpi yenuzi, ngakho-ke angiqondile ukusho lokho ukuze ngihlabe umkhosi, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele sixwayise, kufanele sinxuse abaholi bethu bakahulumeni ukuthi baqaphele.
Namuhla bekunencwadi ebiholwa nguJohn Connor. Ungomunye womakadebona beMpi YaseKorea kuCongress, futhi mina naye sicabanga ukuthi amanye amalungu angama-65 eCongress asayine le ncwadi kubaphathi bakaTrump, ebanxusa ukuthi behlise inkulumo yabo futhi bahlanganyele ezingxoxweni eziqondile neNorth Korea ngaphandle kwemibandela, ngakho-ke. Ngicabanga ukuthi isiqondiso. Sonke sidinga ukubiza ukuthula. Njengoba indodakazi yami ishilo, donsa umoya futhi uhlangane nabantu baseNyakatho Korea. Lokho kumele kuqale inqubo yenqubo yokuthula ekugcineni ngoba lokho abantu baseMelika abaningi abangakuqapheli ukuthi into emayelana nomlilo nolaka iNorth Korea engasoze yayibona njengomhlaba njengoba kwafakazelwa ngaphambilini, lokho empeleni akulona iqiniso ngokuphelele ngokomlando.
INorth Korea ike yabhekana nomlilo nokucasuka. I-US yayisabise ngokusebenzisa izikhali zenuzi yize izisebenzisa ngokumelene neJapan eNagasaki naseHiroshima, kodwa uTruman wesabisa ngokuyisebenzisa phakathi neMpi YaseKorea, kodwa njengoba izazi-mlando eziningi ezazihlanganisa leyo mpi zabonisa ukuthi yayiqhunyiswe kabi kukhaphethi, 80. I-% yamadolobha aseNyakatho Korea abhujiswa ngokuphelele, ukuthi iNorth Korea yabhekana nakho futhi ukuphishekela kwabo isikhali senuzi kukhulu ngenxa yaleso sipiliyoni, salokho okwenzeka, nokululama kulokho, bese bebona okwenzeka e-Iraq naseLibya. . Ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele siqonde ukuthi abantu baseNyakatho Korea bavelaphi futhi kufanele siqaphele ukuthi abawona ama-maniac. Abawona amahlanya. Ngisho, ngicabanga ukuthi uBill Perry muva nje uthe, empeleni, anengqondo kakhulu futhi anengqondo kakhulu. Ngisho noNobhala Wezwe uMadeleine Albright, ngesikhathi eya eNyakatho Korea eyohlangana noyise kaKim Jong-Un, uKim Jong-il, uthe, โLona wumbuso esingaxoxisana nawo.โ Kulapho-ke okumele sikubuyisele khona.
U-AARON MATE: Yebo. UChristine, ngeMpi YaseKorea, amanani akhona ayashaqisa. Kukhona leyo ngcaphuno evela ku-Air Force General Curtis LeMay owathi esikhathini esiyiminyaka emithathu noma ngaphezulu sabulala ngani? 20% wabantu. Lokho cishe abantu abayizigidi ezintathu, kodwa ukuya kulokho okushoyo lapho mayelana nokuthi iNorth Korea inengqondo noma cha futhi isho izibonelo ze-Iraq neLibya, kube nesitatimende esihlaba umxhwele ngempela muva nje esivela kumqondisi wamanje weNational Intelligence, uDan Coats, kanye nami. ngifuna ukudlala lawo mazwana. Ubekhuluma e-Aspen Institute mayelana nokuthi yini egqugquzela umbuso waseNyakatho Korea kanye nokucabanga kwawo kwamasu uma kukhulunywa ngezikhali zenuzi. Nakhu akushilo.
U-Dan Coats: Ukuhlola kwethu sekufikile, kube nomphumela omuhle ekutheni nakuba ewuhlobo lomuntu olungajwayelekile, akahlanyi futhi kunesizathu esithile esisekela izenzo zakhe eziwukuphila, ukusinda kombuso wakhe, ukusinda kwezwe lakhe. Ubhekile, ngiyacabanga, ukuthi kwenzekeni emhlabeni jikelele uma kuqhathaniswa nezizwe ezinekhono lenuzi kanye namandla ezinawo, futhi wabona ukuthi ukuba nekhadi lenuzi ephaketheni lakho kubangela amandla okuvimbela kamuva. Izifundo esizifunde eLibya ukuyeka ama-nukes kanye ne-Ukraine enikeza ama-nukes, ngeshwa, uma unama-nukes, ungawayeki. Uma ungenazo, zithole, futhi sibona izizwe eziningi manje zicabanga ngazo, โSizithola kanjani?โ futhi akekho ophikelelayo njengeNorth Korea.
U-AARON MATE: Lowo nguDan Coats, umqondisi weNational Intelligence, ekhuluma ngokungagwegwesi esivame ukukuzwa kuzikhulu zase-US ezisebenzayo. Imvamisa ivela kwabayizikhulu. UChristine, kulokhu, ungakhuluma ngomthelela wesipiliyoni sezindawo ezifana ne-Libya ne-Iraq ekucabangeni kwaseNyakatho Korea? Kuthiwa lezo zinto zibaluleke kakhulu endleleni umbuso obona ngayo umhlaba futhi ubona i-US, njengoba uCoats eqinisekisa. Yini okumele yenzeke manje ukuze kube nezingxoxo njengoba banazo lezi zikhali zenuzi? Yini engaba sengozini enkulumweni futhi kungaba yini isinqumo esingaba khona?
CHRISTINE AHN: Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi uBill Perry, isicaphuno sakhe esidumile sifanelekile, okungukuthi, "Kufanele sibhekane neNorth Korea njengoba injalo, hhayi njengoba sifisa ukuba ibe." Singasho kakhulu ukuthi ngeke sivume ukuthi iNorth Korea ingamandla enuzi. Nokho, bakhona futhi lokho kucabanga ukuthi umbuzo ube usuba, kusiphi isigaba lapho sifuna ukukhawulela amandla abo. Kukhona zonke izinhlobo zokuhlolwa kobuhlakani mayelana nokuthi abaseNyakatho Korea bangathola kude kangakanani impi yenuzi emcibisholo ongashaya i-US Mainland. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kusazoqinisekiswa, kepha uma i-United States ikhathalela kakhulu ukuvikela izwe lethu, ungacabanga ukuthi izoxoxisana ngokungathรญ sina uhlobo oluthile lokumisa umcibisholo waseNyakatho Korea.
Yonke imicibisholo abayihlolayo imayelana nabo ukuthuthukisa amakhono abo, ngakho-ke esinakho umphakathi wezobunhloli ongekho ekhasini elifanayo mayelana nalelo khono. Uma abaphathi bakaBush bethi โฆ uxolo, abaphathi bakaTrump bathi ngeke kwenzeke, ngabe benzani ngenkuthalo? Ngokuqhubeka nokuhlukanisa iNorth Korea, ngokuphishekela inkulumo enolaka kanye nemidlalo yempi ezayo ezokwenzeka neNingizimu Korea, lokho ngeke kuholele iNorth Korea etafuleni ukuze iyeke uhlelo lwayo lwezikhali zenuzi. Okuzokwenza uhlobo oluthile lokuxoxisana kwezombusazwe. Isiphakamiso esiphusile esisetafuleni esethulwe okokuqala ngabaseNyakatho Korea ngo-2015 kwaba yilokhu kumiswa kweqhwa. INorth Korea izomisa izikhali zayo zenuzi, futhi ukuhlolwa kwemicibisholo kanye nohlelo lokushintshana ne-US neSouth Korea kumise ukuzivocavoca kwayo okuhlanganyelwe kwezempi, osekwenziwe. Zenziwa phakathi neminyaka yokuphatha uClinton, ngakho-ke akuphumi ngokuphelele esithombeni ukwenza lokho, ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi okufanele kwenzeke ukuthi kufanele kube nengxoxo.
U-AARON MATE: UChristine, ake ngikubuze ngoMoon Jae-in ngoba ngizwile ukugxekwa kwakhe ukuthi naphezu komoya womkhankaso wakhe, uyazi, ophikisana nesistimu yemicibisholo ye-THAAD, efuna iNqubomgomo Yokukhanya Yelanga evuselelwe, engazange ' ngisukume ngokwanele e-US kusukela ngithathe izintambo. Ucabanga ukuthi lokho kuwukugxeka okufanelekile ngaye kuze kube manje?
CHRISTINE AHN: Ngicabanga ukuthi kuwukugxeka okulungile futhi ngingasho ukuthi ngicabanga ukuthi sibukela phansi ingcindezi enkulu kwezempi, kwezomnotho, kwezombusazwe i-US eyisebenzisa eNingizimu Korea. U-Tim Shorrock, njengoba wazi, ubhale isahluko esihle encwadini ye-WikiLeaks mayelana nokuthi yini esiyaziyo ngenqubomgomo yase-US. Ngemuva kokuthi [inaudible 00:10:46], abaphathi baka-Obama, ababebizwa ngokuthi yi-Liberal, kodwa baqhubeka besesimweni esibucayi kakhulu mayelana ne-Asia ... ukuqinisa ukungezwani ngokumelene neChina ekhulayo. Babona iKorea njengephuzu elibalulekile le-geo-strategic ukugcina ukubusa kwayo esifundeni sase-Asia-Pacific.
Kube nenhlolovo ehlekisayo ... engahlekisi, kodwa ekhuluma ngempela ngendlela abantu baseMelika abangenalwazi ngayo, kodwa iWashington Post isanda kukhipha isihloko mayelana nenhlolovo eyayithi uma amaSouth Korea ehlaselwa yiNyakatho, ukuthi i-US izothumela amasosha. . Impendulo yami esheshayo yathi, โSibe namasosha angu-30,000 1945 eNhlonhlweni YaseKorea kusukela ngo-70.โ Sesibe lapho cishe iminyaka engu-11, ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuwuphawu olukhulu lwendlela izithakazelo zase-US ezigxile ngayo eSouth Korea naseNhlonhlweni YaseKorea, futhi ingasaphathwa eyokuthi i-US inokulawula kokusebenza ngesikhathi sempi eSouth Korea. Lona umnotho we-10 ngobukhulu emhlabeni, ibutho le-XNUMX ngobukhulu emhlabeni, futhi namanje lingaphansi kwesithupha se-United States.
U-AARON MATE: Kunjalo, futhi lapho uMongameli uTrump ekhononda ngeChina engenzi okwanele ukucindezela iNorth Korea, inkinga yeChina, ngicabanga, ukuthi ngoba kunamasosha angama-30,000 ase-US eSouth Korea, abanandaba nokuba ne-buffer eNyakatho. I-Korea emi phakathi kwawo nala masosha angu-30,000, futhi ngokuqinisekile awafuni lawo masosha eduze, kodwa njengoba sikhuluma ngokuba khona kwamasosha ase-US lapho, ake sikhulume ngeGuam ngoba kukho konke lokhu, iNorth Korea isongele iGuam. . Sebekhulume ngokudweba izinhlelo zokuyihlasela ngemicibisholo emine. Ngokusobala isimo esibi ngempela kuleso siqhingi. Ungakhuluma ngeGuam kulo mongo?
CHRISTINE AHN: Impela. Ngizovele ngilungise ukuthi amaNorth Korea awasabisi. Ngicabanga njengakuzo zonke ezinye izitatimende mayelana nokuziphindiselela kwabaseNyakatho Korea, bekuhlale kunjalo ngaphandle kokuthi i-US iguqule inqubomgomo yayo enobutha, ukuthi bayakucabangela lokhu. Uma ubheka isitatimende Sebutho Labantu BaseKorea mayelana neGuam, ngokuyisisekelo kufana nokuhlaziya ukuthi amabhomu amabili e-1B asuka kanjani e-Andersen Air Force Base esuka e-Guam aye eNingizimu Korea noma eJapane ohambweni lwawo olubheke eNyakatho Korea, nokunye. Ngicabanga ukuthi yingakho abantu baseNyakatho Korea bebeka lokho kugxila eGuam, kodwa okungikhathazayo yilokhu kufiphala izinhlangothi zombili ezifaka isandla kukho, okubeka abantu baseGuam, okuyiGuahan, empeleni. I-US yayiqamba ngokuthi iGuam. Yindawo yase-United States, kepha abantu baseChamorro bebehlaselwe amasosha.
Ngisho ukuthi, lesi yisiqhingi esibizwa ngokuthi isiqephu somkhonto samasosha ase-US. Cishe u-40% waleso siqhingi esincane sisekelwe e-US futhi siyanda njengengxenye yale pivot yase-US eya e-Asia. Laba bantu abaneshwa babanjwe maphakathi nalokhu futhi abafuni ... ngisho ukuthi, basalwela ubukhosi babo emsebenzini wezempi wase-US. Ilungu elilodwa leCongress alinawo ngisho amandla okuvota, ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukuletha lolu hlobo lwefa lomlando, lobukoloni elibophela abantu baseGuam eHawaii lapho ngizinze khona, ePhilippines, nase-Okinawa. , eNingizimu Korea. Le ngxenye yomlando omude we-US imperialism kanye nokuhlala kwamakholoni eminyakeni engamakhulu amabili edlule.
Njengamanje ngisenqubeni yokusebenza ngesitatimende neGuahan Coalition for Peace and Justice evela ku-Women Cross DMZ kanye nale nethiwekhi yamazwe ngamazwe yabesifazane emelene nezempi ebilokhu yakhela ukugxeka kwabesifazane kanye nokuphikisana nama impiriyali, ukugxeka ukulwa nempi ngoba lokho esikwenzayo. bheka ukuthi le ngxabano yaseKorea isetshenziselwa ukuthethelela impi eyengeziwe. Ngisho, ngosuku olulandela yonke into yaseGuam, i-New York Times yabhala ucezu mayelana nokuthi manje wonke amanye amazwe, iJapane neNingizimu Korea futhi wonke umuntu ukhulisa amandla abo ezempi futhi ucabangela izikhali zenuzi ngenxa yokuma okungakapheli. kule minyaka engu-65 edlule, ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi sidinga ukukubekela inselele lokhu, kodwa futhi nalolu hlobo lwengqondo yezempi ethi lokho kuzoba yisixazululo. Akunjalo. Isixazululo sobuzwe yisona esidingekayo futhi kube nomfelandawonye weqiniso phakathi kwabantu bamazwe.
U-AARON MATE: Christine, ngomzuzu wokugcina esinawo ngifuna ukukhuluma ngokuvinjelwa kohambo. Usanda kuya e-South Korea futhi ekuqaleni wawuvinjelwe ukungena ngenxa yokulwela ukuthula lapho ngaphambi kokuba leso sinqumo sihoxiswe. Khonamanjalo, uke wakhuluma ngokumelene nokuvinjelwa kokuvakasha okubekwe lapha e-US lapho abaphathi bakaTrump manje sebevimbela abantu baseMelika ukuthi baye eNyakatho Korea. Imibono yakho kulokhu, njengoba sisonga.
CHRISTINE AHN: Ngicabanga ukuthi asinakho ukuxhumana okusemthethweni phakathi kukahulumeni wase-United States nohulumeni waseNyakatho Korea. Manje uhulumeni wase-US, manje abaphathi bakaTrump bazama ukuphika abantu baseMelika ukuthi bangayi futhi bahlangane futhi baqonde futhi bakhulume nabantu baseNyakatho Korea. Lokho kuyisibonelo esiyingozi ngempela. Siyazi ngesikhathi seMpi Yomshoshaphansi ukuthi amaMelika ahamba ayohlangana namaSoviet futhi lokho kwasiza ukuqeda iMpi Yomshoshaphansi. Ngesikhathi senqubomgomo enenzondo emelene neChina, ukuthi i-Ping-Pong diplomacy yasiza ukuvusa ukuqonda phakathi kwabasubathi baseChina naseMelika, futhi lokho kwaholela ekutheni uNixon aye eChina futhi enze ubudlelwano bube bujwayelekile.
Ngakho idiplomacy yezakhamizi ibalulekile. Siyazi ukuthi izishoshovu ezimangalisayo phakathi neMpi YeVietnam zadlala indima ebalulekile ekuletheni izincwadi namaphakheji okunakekela kuma-POWs asize ekugcineni leyo mpi. Lesi yisibonelo esiyingozi kakhulu. Akukaze kwenzeke maqondana neNorth Korea futhi kufanele siyiphonsele inselelo. Akuyona into elungile futhi uma uhulumeni engeke abe nanoma yiluphi uhlobo lokuxhumana nabantu baseNyakatho Korea, thina njengezakhamuzi sinesibopho sokwenza kanjalo, ngakho-ke kufanele sibuyele emuva futhi ngethemba lokuthi sicabanga ngezindlela zokudala ukuhlangana nokuqonda abantu baseNyakatho Korea.
U-AARON MATE: UChristine on, umsunguli kanye nomxhumanisi wamazwe ngamazwe we-Women Cross DMZ, inhlangano yomhlaba wonke yabesifazane egqugquzela ukuthula eKorea. Uphinde abe ngumsunguli we-Korea Policy Institute kanye ne-Korea Peace Network. Christine, ngiyabonga.
CHRISTINE AHN: Ngiyabonga kakhulu, Aaron.
U-AARON MATE: Futhi siyabonga ngokusijoyina ku-Real News.
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