'I-Israel ayiyona intando yeningi,' kusho uprofesa wakwa-Israel, isazi-mlando kanye nesishoshovu sezombusazwe u-Ilan Pappe kule ngxoxo noFrank Barat, umxhumanisi weNkantolo kaRussell ePalestine.
Ezinye izehlakalo ezingajwayelekile zenzekile emazweni ama-Arab ezinyangeni ezimbalwa ezedlule. Abantu base-Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco nase-Yemen bangene emigwaqweni bebhikishela ingcindezelo, inkohlakalo nokuntuleka kwemisebenzi kanye nokufinyelela kwemfundo. Abanye babaxosha omashiqela babo ababesekelwa iNtshonalanga. Umngane wami wabiza lesi 'sinyathelo sesibili senqubo yokuqeda ubukoloni'. Uthini umbono wakho ngalokhu?
Ngiyavumelana negama elithi 'isigaba sesibili sokuqeda ubukoloni', noma isigaba sesibili se-post-colonialism. Itemu elinembe kakhulu ukuchaza esikubonayo lapho.
Okwenzekayo manje akukhona nje ukugomela ukuzihlonipha ezweni lama-Arab; yisikhathi esichazayo samazwe aseNtshonalanga kanye nezimo zawo zokubuka amakholoni maqondana nezwe lama-Arab. Okwesibili, kunjalo, sikhuluma nge-process in motion. ILibya siyibona iyisikhumbuzo esibuhlungu sokuthi bekungeke kube lula njengoba kwakunjalo e-Egypt, futhi akucaci ukuthi indaba yaseGibhithe isiphelile. Kodwa kuletha ithemba elikhulu.
Kungokokuqala ngikhumbula empilweni yami ukuthi kunezindaba ezinhle ezivela emazweni ama-Arab. Ngenxa yalomuzwa ophelele wamandla amahle avela lapho, umzuzwana wokungabuyi. Njengosomlando, ngihlala ngizikhumbuza ukuthi umzuzwana wokungabuyi akusho ukuthi ngokushesha uzoba nohlobo lweqiniso elingcono olufunayo. Kusho ukuthi kufanele uqaphele, ukuthi kuzoba namandla amaningi kanye nabalingisi abaningi, kuhlanganise no-Israel, abazokwenza konke okusemandleni abo ukwenza lo mzuzu unyamalale. Ngakho awukwazi ukungenzi lutho ngakho, kufanele usebenze. Ngamunye wethu ngendlela yakhe asize ukuthi le mibhikisho yenzeke. Yisikhathi esimangalisayo nesimnandi okuyothi ngokuhamba kwesikhathi sithinte iPalestine ngendlela enhle kakhulu.
Ingabe kukhona okuthinta umhlaba wonke mayelana nezinguquko zomhlaba wama-Arab? Ingabe i-Israel ne-US banelungelo lokuzizwa besongelwa?
Okushiwo emhlabeni wonke ukuthi kungakhathaliseki ukuthi lezi izifundiswa, izintatheli noma osopolitiki, indlela ehlelekile abachaza ngayo umphakathi futhi bawuhlukanise ube abadlali, noma izici ezisebenzayo nezingashintsha iqiniso, kanye nalabo abangabamukeli nabangakwazi ukushintsha iqiniso. idiliziwe, ibhidlikile. Ngakho-ke okushiwo emhlabeni wonke ukuthi ungaba namandla amaningi kwezomnotho, ezombusazwe kanye nezempi njengoba ufuna, kodwa kunezinqubo ongeke ukwazi ukuzilawula.
Lokhu kusifundisa ukuthi indlela umhlaba omelelwe ngayo ngeso leziqumama zaseNtshonalanga ihlaselwe kanzima, okuyizindaba ezimnandi.
Labo base-US - futhi baningi abantu ababaluleke kakhulu eMelika abathembele ku-Israel ukuthi abaqondise kwezombusazwe zaseMpumalanga Ephakathi - bayatatazela. Sengiye kwa-Israel izikhathi eziningi kusukela kwaqala ukuvukela umbuso futhi u-Israyeli usethukile langempela. Bayaqonda ukuthi izikhali ezijwayelekile zamandla nezingxoxo azinamsebenzi uma kubhekwa okwenzekayo emhlabeni wama-Arab. Bayatatazela ngoba banomuzwa wokuthi uma intando yeningi ivele eminyango yabo nasezindaweni ezibazungezile, ngeke besakwazi ukudayisa inganekwane ethi bawukuphela kwentando yeningi eMpumalanga Ephakathi; empeleni, zizodwetshwa njengomunye umbuso wobushiqela wama-Arab.
Lokho kungaholela ekucabangeni okusha kweMelika, futhi ukucabanga okusha kweMelika, emehlweni ama-Israyeli amaningi, kufana nokuphela kuka-Israyeli njengoba siwazi.
Njengomxhumanisi we-Russell Tribunal on Palestine, manje ngilungiselela iseshini elandelayo ye-tribunal ezokwenzeka eNingizimu Afrika futhi izokhuluma ngecala lobandlululo maqondana ne-Israel. Kwabaningi, i-Israel iyintando yeningi, ngoba wonke umuntu uyakwazi ukuvota futhi ama-Arabhu amelwe ku-Knesset. Ngakho ingabe u-Israyeli uyintando yeningi?
Cha, u-Israyeli akayona neze intando yeningi. Izwe elihlala abanye abantu iminyaka engaphezu kwengama-40 futhi lingabavumeli ukuthi babe nesisekelo somphakathi kanye namalungelo abantu angeke kube intando yeningi. Izwe elilandela inqubomgomo yokucwasa ingxenye yesihlanu yezakhamizi zalo zasePalestine ngaphakathi kwemingcele yango-1967 alikwazi ukuba yintando yeningi.
Eqinisweni, u-Israyeli yilokho thina ngokwesayensi yezombangazwe esikubiza ngokuthi yi-herrenvolk democracy, intando yeningi kuphela yamakhosi. Iqiniso lokuthi uvumela abantu ukuba babambe iqhaza ohlangothini olusemthethweni lwentando yeningi, okungukuthi ukuvota noma ukukhethwa, alisho lutho uma ungabaniki noma iyiphi ingxenye yenzuzo evamile noma emithonjeni evamile yombuso, noma uma ubacwase naphezu kokuthi ubavumela ukuthi babambe iqhaza okhethweni. Cishe kuwo wonke amazinga - kusukela kumthetho osemthethweni ngokusebenzisa izinqubo zikahulumeni kuya ekuziphatheni kwezenhlalo namasiko - i-Israel iyintando yeningi kuphela yeqembu elilodwa lohlanga okuthi, uma kubhekwa indawo elawulwa yi-Israel manje, ayiselona ngisho iqembu leningi. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi uzokuthola kunzima kakhulu ukusebenzisa noma iyiphi incazelo eyaziwayo yentando yeningi esebenza ecaleni lakwa-Israel.
Uthini ubuzwe bakho, Ilan?
Anginabo ubuzwe obucacile. Nginesakhamuzi, isakhamuzi sakwa-Israel. Okuhlekisayo wukuthi nami ngingowase-Europe ngoba njengamaJuda ase-Europe esizukulwane sesibili sinelungelo lokuthola i-passport yase-Europe engalingani nobuzwe kodwa ishaya indiva indaba yobuzwe.
Ngingathanda ukuzicabangela njengelungu lesizwe esisha esingase sivele ezweni lentando yeningi lakwa-Israel, okungaba inhlanganisela yomphakathi owenziwe isizukulwane sesithathu samakoloni afika ePalestine ngasekupheleni kweshumi nesishiyagalolunye. ikhulunyaka kanye nenani labantu bomdabu. Ukuthi ngesikhathi lokhu kuzokwenzeka abantu basazozichaza ngokwezwe noma cha, angazi futhi anginandaba. Kodwa nginomuzwa wokuthi ngiyingxenye yomphakathi wamakoloni wezifiki ozenza umphakathi wezwe wona ngokwawo futhi oqashelwa kanjalo, njengabase-Australia naseNew Zealand. Kodwa uma lolu kuwukuphela kohlobo lobuzwe obuvulekele kimi, ngiyakwenqaba futhi ngingathanda ukusebenzela okuthile okungcono kakhulu kimi nakwabanye.
Kubantu abaningi ukungqubuzana kwe-Israel-Palestine kumayelana nokuQothulwa Kwesizwe kanye neqiniso lokuthi amaJuda aseYurophu kwadingeka athole indawo yokuhlala lapho ayezizwa ephephile khona. Lapho amaJuda efika ePalestine, kwaqala ingxabano ngendawo phakathi kwawo nezakhamuzi zomdabu, amaPalestina. Sekuyiminyaka engaphezu kuka-60 kwenzeka. Ngabe lokhu kungqubuzana kumayelana nani, ngokubona kwakho?
Cha, cha, akunjalo. Ukungqubuzana akukona mayelana nokuQothulwa Kwesizwe. UkuQothulwa Kwesizwe kusetshenziswa ama-Israel ukuze kugcinwe ukungqubuzana ngezintshisekelo zabo. Ukungqubuzana kuyindaba elula yezifiki zaseYurophu eza ngasekupheleni kwekhulu leshumi nesishiyagalolunye, zikhuthazwa yizo zonke izinhlobo zemibono; umqondo owawubusa wawuwukuthi babedinga indawo ephephile ngoba iYurophu yayingaphephile, nokuthi leli kwakuyizwe labo lasendulo. Kwenzeka ngaphambilini - lena akuyona ukuphela kwendawo lapho abantu benemibono eyinqaba abangayithola ngemva kweminyaka eyizi-2,000 futhi babuyisele okuthile okwakuthiwa ngeyabo.
Ngenxa yokuthi kwakukhona amandla ombuso anele ayezimisele ukusekela lo msebenzi wokwenza amakoloni, aphumelela ukuthola indawo futhi aqala ukuthenga umhlaba. Baxhaphaza umbuso othile womhlaba, owawukwazi ukuthenga umhlaba kubantu okungebona obanikazi bawo futhi uxoshe abantu ababewulima ngempela. Kodwa ngisho nalokho akuzange kuphumelele ngempela. Njengoba cishe uyazi, ngesikhathi iBritish Mandate iphela, inhlangano yeZionist yaphumelela ukuthenga ngaphansi kwamaphesenti ayisikhombisa ePalestina futhi iletha inani lababaleki, kuhlanganise nangemva kokuQothulwa Kwesizwe, okwakungeyona into ehlaba umxhwele ngempela. Umphakathi wamaJuda emhlabeni wawuncamela ukuya eBrithani, e-United States noma uhlale eYurophu naphezu kokuQothulwa Kwesizwe. Kwafika idlanzana elincane kakhulu kwa-Israyeli, yingakho, ngokuphambene nezifiso zabo zangaphambili, inhlangano yamaZayoni yanquma ukuletha amaJuda avela ezweni lama-Arabhu futhi awaqedele ukuze abe ngamaJuda futhi angazihlanganisi nenani labantu base-Arab.
Ngakho-ke ukungqubuzana kumayelana nenhlangano yamakholoniyali okuthi - ngenxa yokuQothulwa Kwesizwe - iphumelele ekungabonakali ikoloniyali emhlabeni ongasabuthandi ubukoloni; isebenzisa zonke izinhlobo zezindlela kanye nemifelandawonye ukuze iqhubeke ikoloni, ihlanza ngokobuhlanga kanye nokuhlala. Kepha ubudlova obungaphelele: IZionism iyisihluku esingaphelele esibhekiswe kubantu basePalestine. Ukube beliphelele, njengoba kwenza abelungu e-Australia naseNew Zealand, mhlawumbe ngabe anikho ingxabano namuhla. Kungani ingaphelele? Ngenxa yokuqina nokumelana kwamaPalestine.
Ngakho-ke unakho ngamafuphi: iphrojekthi yamakholoni ezama ukuqedela uhlelo lwayo, kanye nabantu bomdabu abamelana nayo. Lokho kungaba ukungqubuzana, ngaphandle uma ususa iPalestine futhi udlulele esigabeni sangemva kobukoloni emlandweni wale ndawo.
Usube yisishoshovu samalungelo abantu iminyaka eminingi manje, ulwa kuyo yonke imikhakha ukusiza amaPalestine. Ngeshwa, kuncane okuzuziwe: umhlaba omningi uyantshontshwa nsuku zonke, abantu abaningi bayafa, izindlu eziningi zicekelwa phansi futhi umphakathi wamazwe ngamazwe uklomelise u-Israyeli ngalokhu. Ithini-ke indlela eya phambili yamaPalestine nabasekeli bawo?
Kudingeka sibe nombono ophelele womlando wempumelelo nokwehluleka. Angicabangi ukuthi konke kube ukwehluleka. Umphakathi wamanje wamaPalestine eWest Bank kanye naseGaza Strip, kanye nomphakathi wasePalestine ngaphakathi kwa-Israel, ngeke uqhekeke – lokho kusobala. Kungakhathaliseki ukuthi yiziphi izinqubomgomo zakwa-Israyeli, u-Israyeli akakwazi ukucabanga kalula kanjalo ngokunye ukuqothulwa kohlanga - futhi lokho kubaluleke kakhulu ukukuqonda.
Okwesibili, ngicabanga ukuthi kukhona okushintshile embonweni womphakathi - kuyiqiniso, akuzange kuhunyushwe emigomeni, kodwa kungenzeka ukuthi sisesikhathini esinqunyiwe sePalestine ngaphandle kokwazi. Ngakho ngingathanda ukuba nombono olinganiselayo mayelana nokwehluleka nempumelelo yethu sonke. Nokho, ngiyavuma ukuthi sidinga isu elicacile lokuqhubekela phambili. Kunezinto ezintathu engizoziveza maduzane nakafushane kakhulu.
Okunye ukuthi sidinga ukuqonda kangcono mayelana nokwabiwa komsebenzi phakathi kwangaphandle nangaphakathi. Okungukuthi, uhlelo lwezombangazwe lwasePalestine ludinga ukuhlanganisa isenzo salo ngokumeleleka, ukuhlanganiswa nokunye; izinhlangano zobumbano akumele zizame ukukufaka esikhundleni semibuzo yokumela, kodwa kufanele zigxile ekuguquleni u-Israyeli abe yizwe le-pariah, engicabanga ukuthi, elibaluleke kakhulu ukuze izinto zihambe.
Okwesibili, kufanele siguqule isichazamazwi. Kufanele siyeke ukukhuluma ngenqubo yokuthula, siyeke umqondo wesixazululo semibuso emibili; emqondweni wami, kufanele siphinde sikhulume ngobukoloni, ukulwa nobukoloni, ukuguqulwa kombuso, ukuhlanzwa kohlanga, kanye nokubuyisela esikhathini esikhulu. [Lezi] zonke izinhlobo zemisho eyaziwayo esebenza kakhulu esimweni sase-Palestine, kodwa ngenxa yenkulumo-ze yakwa-Israyeli nokusekelwa kwe-US kuleyo nkulumo-ze asikaze silokothe sikusebenzise. Kufanele siqinisekise ukuthi ngisho nemithombo yezindaba ejwayelekile kanye nezifundiswa, futhi nakanjani osopolitiki, bayazisebenzisa.
Okwesithathu okufanele sikwenze ukwamukela ukuhlaziya ukuthi uguquko olusuka ngaphakathi angeke lwenzeke, okuletha umbuzo wokuthi hlobo luni lwesu ongalisebenzisa uma ufuna ukuletha ushintsho ngaphandle. Ngenhlanhla, sinesibonelo esihle kakhulu. Iningi labantu manje seliphusha iqhinga elingenalo udlame esikhundleni sesu lodlame, ukuze kube noshintsho. Lokhu kuhle ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi iqiniso elisha elizozalwa emzabalazweni ongenabudlova lizodala ubudlelwano obungcono kakhulu ngesikhathi sokubuyisana. Nakuba uma uzuza inkululeko ngodlame, siyazi kwamanye amacala omlando ukuthi nawe uba umphakathi onodlame.
Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kuningi okufanele kwenziwe, futhi okuhle ngalesi sikhathi sethu ukuthi kuningi ongakwenza njengomuntu ngamunye, kodwa ungalokothi ukhohlwe izinhlangano, nezinhlangano ezindala ngokunjalo, ikakhulukazi endabeni. yokumelwa kwePalestine. Akudingekile ukuthi uhlale uqamba kabusha isondo; ngezinye izikhathi kufanele uyigcobe futhi uqiniseke ukuthi iyasebenza futhi - njengoba yayisebenza esikhathini esidlule.
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