Okulandelayo umbhalo ocashuniwe ovela ekubukeni kukaMichael Moore ku-CNN's Larry King Live
Larry King: Uyizinto eziningi, kodwa ezibuthuntu akuyona enye yazo. UMichael Moore, umenzi wefilimu ophumelele esikhungweni semfundo ephakeme. Ifilimu yakamuva ithi "I-Slacker Uprising: Ukubheka Ivoti Yentsha." Incwadi yakhe yakamuva ithi "Mike's Election Guide '08". Ungumsekeli, njengoba ungase ucabange, ka-Barack Obama.
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Inkosi: Wenzani ngento ethi "Joe the Plumber" noMcCain?
AmaRiphabhulikhi, lonke uhlelo lwawo lwentela ukujezisa abasebenza ngamapayipi kanye nawo wonke umuntu onomsebenzi ofana nalo kuleli zwe. Futhi nokho ngandlela thize bamthathile lo mfana - nami ngiyamdabukela lo mfana. Kungenzeka ukuthi wayengalindele ukuthi abe sematheni ngale ndlela. Futhi kodwa akukhona ngempela ngaye njengomuntu ngamunye. Futhi angicabangi ukuthi abantu kufanele bamehlisele phansi ngenxa nje yokuthi akayena umuntu osebenza ngamapayipi ogunyaziwe noma igama lakhe akuyena uJoe nanoma yini enye ephumile. Ngicabanga nje ukuthi lokho kuwuhlobo olungabalulekile.
Okuwukuphela kwento efanelekile ukuthi uMcCain uzoqinisekisa ukuthi abacebile bathola elinye ikhefu lentela elimangalisayo kuyilapho wonke umuntu ehlupheka. Futhi u-Obama uzokwenza isiqiniseko sokuthi abafana abanjengalaba abasebenza emva kwami kulobubusuku lapha phakathi
Inkosi: Wenzani ngalokhu, Michael?
Empeleni, lapho laba bafana abangemva kwami lapha uma bengake babhale isheke lemali ababengenalo ebhange futhi empeleni basebenzise lelo sheke ukuze bathenge okuthile ngalo, babeyoboshwa. Kubizwa nge-check kiting.
Kodwa lokho akwenzeki kuWall Street. Lokho akwenzeki kuma-CEO kanye nabantu be-hedge fund. Babalekela lokhu. Yilaba bantu, uMcCain, umkhankaso wakhe, bamele inhlalakahle yabacebile. U-Obama kanye namaDemocrats bamele ukunikeza laba bafana nabanye abantu abafana nabo ikhefu.
Inkosi: Ake sithi u-Obama uthembisa ukuncishiswa kwentela kumaphesenti angama-95 abantu. Ukwenza kanjani lokho futhi ukuxazulula ukunakekelwa kwezempilo kanye nazo zonke ezinye izinkinga ezidinga ukukhokhelwa?
Moore: Uyangibuza ukuthi bengidweba ibhajethi elandelayo?
KULUNGILE. Nakhu okwenzayo. Uqeda impi e-Iraq. Leyo yi-$10 billion ngenyanga esiyisebenzisayo engase isetshenziselwe ukulungisa imigwaqo yethu, ukwakha amabhuloho, ukwakha izikole, ukukhulisa abasebenzi bethu abahlengikazi - zonke izinto esizidinga ngempela kuleli zwe. Singaqala ngokususa imali kule mpi kanye nemali kude nemibono ye-Pentagon e-crazy engazange isenze lutho futhi isilimaze kuphela. Lena indawo enhle kakhulu yokuqala ukuthola imali okufanele yenzeke.
Kodwa into mayelana nokunakekelwa kwezempilo, uyakuveza lokho. Akudingeki ukuthi uhambe uyophrinta imali njengoba benza ukuze ukhokhele abacebile kulokhu okukhulu, uyazi, ukweba okwenzekayo njengamanje e-Wall Street. Ukunakekelwa kwezempilo kuzozikhokhela, uma uhulumeni eqhuba, uma bekungeyona inzuzo. Khumbula, inkinga yethu enkulu yokunakekelwa kwezempilo kungenxa yokuthi izinkampani zomshuwalense wezempilo kufanele zenze inzuzo enkulu. Futhi bakha leyo nzuzo ngaphakathi. Futhi yingakho sikhokha kakhulu ukunakekelwa kwezempilo kunanoma yiliphi elinye izwe kule planethi.
Ngakho-ke uma sikwenze ngendlela wonke amanye amazwe aphucuzekile akwenza ngayo, bekungeke kubize noma kuphi eduze kwalokhu kubiza njengamanje. Empeleni kuzoba khona ukonga.
Inkosi: NgeSonto eledlule, u-Colin Powell, ku-"Meet The Press," izincomo eziqinile zika-Obama. Ama-Conservatives aqhumile - abanye babo bamqhumise uPowell ngakho. [Kufaka] u-Rush Limbaugh:
Isiqeshana se-Rush Limbaugh: "Awu, ake ngikhulume kakhulu. Futhi mangikusho ngokusobala nakakhulu. Bekumayelana nobuhlanga ngokuphelele. Ukuqokwa noma ukugunyazwa kukaPowell - ingqikithi - imayelana nobuhlanga."
Inkosi: Uyazi ukuthi wayezokwazi kanjani lokho?
Moore: Yebo, ngoba, ngicabanga ukuthi kumayelana nomjaho kaRush Limbaugh nowabantu abamlandelayo. Lolu wuhlobo oludabukisayo lwalolu khetho. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kunezigidi zabantu baseMelika laphaya - iningi labantu baseMelika, abanethemba eliphikisayo lokuthi lo mjaho ngeke ube ngowobuhlanga nokuthi labo abalokhu bezama ukujova umjaho ngendlela engafanele, ngendlela ezokwenza veza okubi kwabanye abantu — asethembe ukuthi lezi zinsuku eziyi-11 kuzoba yizinsuku eziyi-11 okumele silalele ukuze sikhulume kanjalo kuleli.
UGeneral Powell, angicabangi ukuthi, empeleni, uke wenza noma yiziphi izinqumo zakhe ezisekelwe ngokobuhlanga. Angiyena umlandeli wakhe. Lokho kuqinisekile. Unokuningi - kuningi ukuphenduka azokwenza ngokuholela lelizwe empini.
Kodwa ngikholelwa kakhulu ekuhlelweni. Futhi amazwi awakhulumayo ayenamandla kakhulu, ku-"Meet The Press," enamandla kakhulu, wathini mayelana nokuthi yini engalungile ngokuba yiSulumane kuleli zwe?
Pho uma u-Obama wayenjalo?
Ngiqonde ukuthi lokho bekufana nento esemqoka. Futhi akekho oke washo lokho ngempela, Larry. Futhi yayinamandla kangangokuthi wakusho futhi wakhuluma ngalelo sosha elingumSulumane elafela enkonzweni yaleli zwe. Angikaze ngiyibone imizuzu eyisikhombisa ingaphazamiseki njengaleyo kumabonakude kazwelonke kusukela ngathola imizuzu eyisikhombisa ne-Wolf Blitzer ye-[CNN].
Inkosi:Inkulumo ka-Obama nobushokobezi isisabalele emibuthanweni yaseMcCain. Nasi isiqeshana sokushintshana kwe-McCain nomvoti omdala odidekile:
Umvoti wesifazane ongaziwa: Angikwazi ukumethemba u-Obama.
McCain: Ngikutholile lokho.
Umvoti wesifazane ongaziwa: Ngifundile ngaye futhi akayena - akayena - ungum - ungumArab.
McCain: Cha, nkosikazi. Cha mam. Ungu—uyindoda yomndeni ehloniphekile, isakhamuzi engivele ngibe nokungaboni ngaso linye naso ezindabeni ezibalulekile. Futhi yilokho okushiwo yilo mkhankaso. Akayena. Ngiyabonga. Inkosi: Akakuphathanga kahle lokho, Michael?
Moore: Ngiyazi ukuthi unembeza wakhe wawuzama ukuwuphatha kahle, ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi enhliziyweni kaJohn McCain, niyazi, akayena umuntu ocwasa ngokwebala. Akayikholelwa le nto. Futhi wavele wakhetha umgwaqo omnyama ukuthi ehle.
Kodwa ukusho ukuthi cha mama, akayena umArab, uhloniphekile, yilokho uPowell ayekusho. Kufana nokulinda kancane, ukhulume okungalungile futhi. Enye ayihlukani nenye.
Uyazi, lapho ngibona lokho, ngacabanga ukuthi uyazi ukuthi yini, umphikisi omkhulu ka-Obama kulolu khetho ngoNovemba 4th akuyena uJohn McCain, ukungazi. Ngu-Obama ngokumelene nokungazi.
Kanti ukungazi nenzondo nokucwasa kuzophumelela yini noma ngabe ubani okumele abe ngumengameli olandelayo, iningi labantu elifuna ukuba ngumengameli?
Ngabe lokho kuzokwenzeka?
Konke okumele sibhekane nakho, kubonakala sengathi sibhekene nakho emasontweni ambalwa edlule.
Esikhundleni sokukhuluma ngokuphanga okukhulu kunakho konke okwake kwenzeka ku-Wall Street ngamaphesenti angu-5 aphezulu kuleli zwe, sisakhuluma ngokungazi nobuwula babanye abantu nokuthi lokho kuzoliqondisa kanjani ivoti labo.
Moore: Ngizokholelwa ukuthi abantu bazongena okhethweni, futhi ngikholelwa ukuthi abantu abaningi bazovotela uJohn McCain futhi kungenxa yokuthi abanalwazi, kungenxa yokuthi bakholelwa ngempela kulokho uMcCain akholelwa kukho.
Kodwa uma inani elithile lezigidi zabantu lizovota ngenxa yokungazi ngiyethemba ukuthi bazozifundisa ngesinye isikhathi [ezinsukwini zokugcina].
Inkosi: Ucabanga ukuthi unengxabano?
Moore: Yebo, ngiyizwile iphromo yohlelo mayelana, uyazi, inkosi yokuphikisana ivuliwe namhlanje ebusuku. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kuyini ngami ukuthi angikaze ngikuqonde lokhu.
Ngenzeni ukuze ngizixabanise?
Ngingumenzi wefilimu. Ngakho ngenza ifilimu yami yokuqala cishe eminyakeni engu-20 edlule. Futhi ngithe mhlawumbe kufanele sibheke kwaGeneral Motors kanye nemboni yezimoto. Ngicabanga ukuthi zihamba ngesisu. Ngakusho eminyakeni engu-20 edlule.
Ngeke ibe khona iGeneral Motors ngonyaka ozayo, ngendlela esiyazi ngayo. Ngeke ibe khona iGeneral Motors ngonyaka ozayo. Kodwa lapho ngisho lokho ngaleso sikhathi - ngiyakhumbula, kwakuwukuvela kwami kokuqala ohlelweni lwakho. Futhi ngiyakhumbula ukuthi kwakukhona i-pro-G.M. umuntu osohlelweni nami. Futhi, mfana, kwakunjengokungathi ngingudeveli esesimweni somuntu ngokulandela inhlangano yaseMelika ebusise kakhulu, iGeneral Motors.
Futhi kuwo wonke umsebenzi wami, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi "i-Bowling for Columbine" ngoba ngangicabanga ukuthi ukudubula esikoleni kuwumbono omubi, noma "Sicko" ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele kube ilungelo lokukwazi ukubona udokotela kuleli zwe uma ugula, noma "Fahrenheit 9/11" lapho ngisanda kuba nombono ophambene wokuthi cishe ngeke kube nezikhali zokucekela phansi okukhulu e-Iraq futhi besiholwa ngomgwaqo ongafanele lapho. Ngisanda kukutshela i-CV yami. Kuthiwani ngalokho okuyimpikiswano? Pho kungani kuye kwadingeka ngihlupheke ngalokhu kuhlaselwa kwabalungile?
Inkosi: Iphuzu elihle.
Moore: Angikaze ngikuqonde.
Inkosi: [Izimakethe zamasheya ezinkulu zase-Asia ziyawa.] Michael, kwenzekani?
Moore: Hhayi-ke, ziningi izinto ezenzekayo. Angikwazi ngempela ukukhuluma neJapane kakhulu ngangokunokwenzeka kulokho engicabanga ukuthi kwenzeka lapha. Umzwelo wami ukuthi abacebile osekunesikhathi eside bebiza izibhamu lapha, iqembu labo seliphethe iminyaka engama-20 kwengama-28 edlule, iqembu lamaRepublican. futhi ngicabanga ukuthi bayazi ukuthi mhlawumbe basendleleni yokuphuma. Futhi lapho bephuma, bafana namasela - empeleni, bafana nezivakashi esidlweni sakusihlwa ezizama ukweba izinto zesiliva endleleni yokuphuma ngomnyango.
Bazama ukupakisha imali eningi ngangokunokwenzeka. Ngiqonde ukuthi konke okwenzekayo njengamanje, konke ukuqashwa okwenziwa wuMnyango kaMgcinimafa, wonke ama-consultants abalethayo, zonke izinkontileka zamadola ayizigidi, laba bantu bazoceba ngokuphindaphindiwe njengoba bazama ukuzikhipha obishini abaludalile, ngoba kwakuwuhlelo olulodwa olukhulu lokuhlola amasheke, besebenzisa imali kwakungadingeki bathenge enye imali ukuze benze imali eyengeziwe.
Ngisho, futhi, uma umuntu ojwayelekile enza lokho, uzoboshwa. Kodwa hhayi laba. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi, ekugcineni, njengamaMelika, mhlawumbe kufanele sizibheke futhi sicabange ngakho konke lokhu - lokhu okubizwa ngokuthi umphakathi wobunikazi. Uyazi, abacebile, uyazi, bakholisa abantu abaningi besigaba esiphakathi ukuthi babeke imali yabo kanye nemali encane ababenayo emakethe yamasheya. Futhi uyazi, lowo ngumdlalo wesicebi. Uyazi, uma uhlezi etafuleni le-poker futhi kukhona abafana ababili etafuleni abanenqwaba yama-chips, futhi uhlezi lapho nabambalwa, kunzima kakhulu ukudlala kulowo mdlalo. Kunzima kakhulu ukuke uwine lowo mdlalo. Awukwazi ukuyinqoba, eqinisweni.
Angikhulumi ngabantu baseWall Street, kodwa izwe lonke, kumele libheke enye indlela yokutshala imali futhi likwenze ngemithethonqubo abanayo kwamanye amazwe asebehlupheka ngempela ngenxa yalokho enginakho. ukucabanga kwaqala kuleli zwe. Futhi ukubekela eceleni lokhu abantu abazama ukuthenga ikhaya, ukuthenga ikhaya labo lokuqala, ngendlela lokho, futhi, uJohn McCain namaRiphabhulikhi akwenzile lokhu, ukushaya abantu, niyazi, yena kanye uJoe umxhasi akhuluma ngaye. ,ukuthi ufuna ukuba seceleni. Kodwa-ke - ngenkathi uJoe osebenza ngamapayipi efuna ukuthenga indlu yokuqala, wayedinga usizo ngakho uhulumeni kufanele abe khona ukuze asize.
Yileyo ndlela abazali bethu abakhulu, abazali bethu, kusukela ku-FDR kuqhubeke, yikho okwenza leli zwe laqina. Yingakho sinesigaba esiphakathi esihle. Kungakho konke kwakhula, ngoba lapho wena - lapho abantu benomsebenzi omuhle futhi beholelwa iholo elihle, basebenzisa leyo mali, okube sekudala imisebenzi eyengeziwe. Sasivame ukwenza imali ngomsebenzi wethu, ngemibono yethu, ngokusungula kwethu.
Khona-ke yashintsha ngaphansi kwe-Reagan. Ake siqale ukwenza imali ngemali. Ake siqhubeke sihambisa imali. Sizoceba kanjalo.
Inkosi: Ake ngithole ucingo. Clovis, California, sawubona.
Ucingo: : Sawubona. UMichael, i-CNN ikhiphe inhlolovo ethi emhlabeni wonke abantu abane kuya koyedwa bavuna isikhundla sika-Obama. Ungakwazi yini ukunginika umbono wakho ngokwenzeka emhlabeni jikelele?
Moore: Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi sonke siyazi ukuthi umhlaba wonke ulithanda ngempela leli zwe. Empeleni bayakwenza. Babheke kithi. Bababaza izinto eziningi ngathi. Sinikeze umhlaba izinto eziningi ezinhle. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi bafisa sengathi iMelika yakudala ingabuya. Ngakho-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi ingxenye enhle yayo yonke le planethi, ngokwezibalo zakho ezingamaphesenti angama-75, zikholelwa ukuthi zizophila ezweni elingcono, elinokuthula uma sisusa laba bantu abebephethe iminyaka eyisishiyagalombili. iminyaka bese ukhetha uBarack Obama.
Ngicabanga ukuthi yinto enhle leyo. Kuyinto enhle kithi. Kuyinto enhle kubo. Kuyinto enhle ngeplanethi. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi yilelo zwe sonke esifuna ukuhlala kulo.
Inkosi: Sinombuzo webhulogi ovela komunye uMichael. "Uyini umbono wakho mayelana nethuba lokuba neningi lamaDemocrat eNdlu naseSenate, kanye nokuba ngumongameli ka-Obama? Ngeke yini kube yinto enhle kakhulu leyo?"
Moore: Yebo, bekungaba njalo.
Inkosi: Hhayi-ke, ingabe ayikho ingozi ekuzwisiseni?
Moore: Yebo. Yebo ikhona. Kodwa sizodinga ukuvumelana manje ukuze silungise wonke umonakalo owenziwe. Sizodinga inkathi yesitayela se-FDR, lapho sinomongameli kanye neKhongolose ezosebenzisana ukuze kushaye umthetho nezinto esizidingayo ukuze sikhiphe izwe obishini elikuso. Ukube besine-Republican Congress futhi umongameli weDemocratic Alliance, futhi u-Obama ungena lapho futhi uthi kufanele siqale ukuhoxa e-Iraq futhi siyeke ukusebenzisa amaRandi ayizigidi eziyizinkulungwane ezingu-10 ngenyanga, futhi sinamaRiphabhulikhi ayeka lokho, sizoba sesimweni esifanayo ebesikuso.
Ngakho-ke, cha, sidinga uKhongolose oqinile, weDemocratic Alliance. Sidinga amaDemocrats aqokelwe kwiCongress ezweni lonke. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abantu badinga ukuthumela umlayezo kubantu abenze lokhu iminyaka eyisishiyagalombili edlule, kubantu abagijimisa umnotho wethu phansi, kubantu abasiyisa kule mpi; badinga ukushaywa. Futhi isizwe sidinga ukuvela futhi sikhethe amaDemocrats kuCongress, eSenate naseWhite House. Futhi ngizokutshela, lokho kuzothumela umlayezo ocacile kumaDemocrats namaRiphabhlikhi ukuthi bangaphinde bazame lokho. .
Inkosi: Uyamangala ukuthi akekho uBush noma uCheney abake bavela?
Moore: Kuyashaqisa, akunjalo? Bakuphi? Vele akunjalo. Ngiqonde ukuthi, bayazi ukuthi bangomongameli nephini likamongameli abake badume kakhulu. Bazophuma kanjalo. Umlando ngeke ubaphathe kahle. Futhi kufanele kube njalo. Futhi ngokusobala, ngethemba ukuthi uma sebehambile, kukhona ikhomishini ebheka amanga ashiwo, ubugebengu obenziwa. Lawa ngamacala abucayi, abucayi. Angikwazi ukucabanga ngobugebengu obubi kakhulu kunokuqamba amanga ezweni ukuze ngiliyise empini, ukuze abangani abasezimbonini zakho ophuma kuzo bathole amaphakethe abo ahlanganiswe namadola ethu entela aseMelika.
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