NgoLwesithathu, abafundi ngo Columbia University kanye nekolishi layo labesifazane, iBarnard, lagxumeka amatende otshanini esikhungweni sesikole samabanga aphansi. Bahlela ukuhlala kuze kube yilapho iColumbia ihlukana nezinkampani “ezenza inzuzo ngobandlululo lwase-Israel, ukubulawa kwabantu kanye nokuhlala ePalestine,” njengenhlangano. Instagram page weColumbia University Apartheid Divest wakubeka. Kodwa iColumbia yayingenanhloso yokuvumela abafundi ukuthi bahlale ematendeni abo. NgoLwesine ekuseni, umongameli waseColumbia uNemat Shafik ugunyaze i-NYPD ukuthi ibhidlize iGaza Solidarity Encampment futhi iboshelwe ukweqa. Bangaphezu kuka-100 abantu ababoshiwe.
UShafik uphinde wamisa abafundi abathathu bakaBarnard ababebambe iqhaza kule nkambi: u-Isra Hirsi, uMaryam Iqbal, noSoph Dinum. U-Hirsi uyindodakazi yoMmeleli Ilhan Omar, othe esigcawini se-House ngosuku olwedlule wabuza u-Shafik ngalokho akubiza ngokuphendula kanzima kwenyuvesi ezishoshovu ezisekela i-Palestine esikhungweni. Imibhikisho yabafundi iqhubekile ngoLwesihlanu e-Columbia futhi isisabalele nakwamanye amakhampasi ezweni lonke.
Engxoxweni ngoLwesihlanu, uHirsi uchaze ukuthi kungani ebona umsebenzi wakhe wokuhlela ubaluleke kangaka, kusho ukuthini ukumiswa, nokuthi uzizwa kanjani ngesikhathi sokumiswa kwakhe.
Bengifuna ukuqala ngomsebenzi wakho wokuhlela. Ngicela ungitshele ukuthi ungene kanjani ekuhleleni owenzayo njengamanje, futhi unesikhathi esingakanani ukuwenza?
I-CU Apartheid Divest uhlobo lwabusa kulo nyaka wesikole lapho i-Students for Justice in Palestine kanye ne-Jewish Voice for Peace yayimisiwe. Sengivele ngabambambiqhaza okhuthele kuzo zonke izenzo zabo. Futhi ngingumholi weqembu labafundi. Futhi ngakho ngenkathi kwakhiwa umfelandawonye futhi ngifuna izinhlangano zabafundi ukuthi zisayine, kungaleso sikhathi lapho ngangenela khona, ngokungena ngemvume. Ngakho-ke ngizibandakanye ne-CUAD kusukela ngo-Okthoba.
Ungakwazi yini ukuchaza ukuthi kungani lo msebenzi ubalulekile?
Nakanjani. Ngicabanga ukuthi ukuba ngumfundi enyuvesi ehileleke ngokuqondile kulokhu kuqothulwa kohlanga kuyethusa. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi njengabafundi, sinesibopho sokwenza esingakwenza ukutshela inyuvesi ukuthi asilungile ngalokhu, kodwa futhi kukhona nje - njengokuthi, besilokhu sihlela ngokuqhubekayo izinyanga zilandelana singaphenduli noma singekho ngempela. ekwazi ukunyakazisa inaliti. Futhi ngokuthola ugqozi kuma-alums, ngokuyisisekelo kokhokho bethu kusukela ngo-1968, sifunde ukuthi ukuthatha indawo ekhempasini cishe kuyindlela engcono kakhulu yokusiza ukwenza amagagasi futhi sikwazi ukuphusha izimfuno zethu, eziwukweqa, ukubeka obala kokutshalwa kwezimali kwe-Columbia, kanye ushwele kubafundi bamanje abacindezelwe kanye nalabo asebecindezelwe kakade.
Ngokusobala uLwesine bekungekona okokuqala ukuthi iColumbia ibhekane nezishoshovu ezisekela iPalestine esikhungweni. Ukhulume isahluko esithi Students for Justice in Palestine. Wamangala uma isikole siwumisa?
Eqinisweni, cha. Ngicabanga ukuthi bekulindelekile. Ngibona sengathi isikole sithi banendaba nenkululeko yokukhuluma, kodwa abakwenzi lokho. Futhi umzuzu lapho abafundi besebenzisa inkululeko yabo yokukhuluma, bazizwa besongelwa. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi ukumiswa kwe-SJP [isahluko] yethu kuza futhi egagasini lamanye amanyuvesi amaningi adiliza. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi umongameli wenyuvesi wazizwa, angazi, ebophekile ngandlela thize ngengcindezi ayithola nakwezinye izinhlangothi. Kodwa-ke, lokho kumiswa akuzange kumise i-SJP noma i-JVP ekuhleleni kwabo noma ukuqhubeka nokulwa nabakholelwa kukho, ngoba ukuqashelwa yinyuvesi akukona ukuphela, kube-konke ukulwela iPalestine.
Bekunjani eGaza Solidarity Enkampment ngoLwesithathu?
Ngingathi ngeqiniso, bekukuhle. Ngicabanga ukuthi sinabantu abaningi abakulungele ukuhamba futhi abazinikezele futhi abazimisele ngokuyisisekelo ukumelana nezakhi ukuze sizigcine lapho futhi siqhubeke nokulwa. Sisanda kuba nemithandazo eminingi emihle. Besikwazi ukucula izingoma, abantu bedlala imidlalo. Kwakunjengomqondo onjalo womphakathi. Futhi njengoba siqhubeka, kwakhuthaza nakakhulu ukubona inhlangano yabafundi nayo isabela futhi izizwa iphoqelekile ukujoyina futhi ime ebunyeni nathi. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho nakho kwenza ukuba sekamu nokulala ekamu kwaba ngcono kakhulu.
Ubuwazi ukuthi ngokubamba iqhaza ekamu wawuzifaka engcupheni yokumiswa?
Yebo, bengikwazi lokho. Njengoba kwenza ngamunye ngamunye wabahlanganyeli.
Kungani kwakubalulekile ukuqhubeka nombhikisho kuleso simo?
Besazi nje ukuthi indlela ebesihamba ngayo ibingazwakali, futhi besazi ukuthi inyuvesi izobhidliza noma ngabe yikuphi. Kodwa izimfuno zethu zaziphelele futhi sasifuna ngempela ukuzilwela, ngakho-ke sasizimisele ukuzifaka engozini. Kuhamba okufanayo nakwabanye. Kufana nokuthi siyazi ukuthi inyuvesi inomthwalo wemfanelo othile noma isibopho sokugcina inhlangano yabafundi iphephile. Futhi bathi besingabagcini abantu bephephile futhi silimaza umphakathi wesikhungo. Kodwa sonke siyazi ukuthi kwakungenjalo, futhi simi siqine kakhulu kulokho.
Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi iqiniso lokuthi nathi sasindawonye ndawonye, ngicabanga, lasenza sazizwa singcono kakhulu. Futhi nobumbano, njengoba ngishilo, kontanga yethu, yize bemisiwe futhi baboshwa, inkambi isaqinile njengamanje. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kusho okuningi. Futhi ukubona ukuthi bangaki abantu, kusukela kubadlali kuya kubabhali kuya kosopolitiki abeza ekamu futhi basisekele kube yisikhumbuzo kithina ukuqonda ukuthi esikwenzayo kwenze okuthile, futhi ngathi, ngingathi, sizuze ingxenye yethu. imigomo.
Ngokuqonda kwami ubungomunye wabafundi abathathu bakaBarnard abamisiwe ngenxa yokuhlela ngoLwesine. Ngabe kunjalo?
Yebo. Bathathu kuphela abafundi bakaBarnard, okuhlanganisa nami, abamisiwe ngoLwesine ngo-10 ekuseni Kodwa kusukela manje, abaningi - hhayi abaningi, ngingasho ukuthi iningi labafundi ababoshiwe limisiwe njengamanje. Bonke nje bathole ukumiswa emsebenzini namuhla [ngoLwesihlanu].
Ungakwazi yini ukuchaza ukuthi kwenzekani uma othile emiswa emsebenzini?
Uma ngikhuluma iqiniso, anginakho ukucaca okungaka mina ngokwami, engicabanga ukuthi kuthinta kancane. Kodwa ngokuyisisekelo ukumiswa okwesikhashana, okusho ukuthi ngimisiwe kuze kube yilapho kulalelwa khona futhi isinqumo sifinyelelwe kubo bonke abafundi baseBarnard. Basikhiyele ngaphandle kwezakhiwo zethu, basikhiyele ngaphandle kwezinhlelo zethu zokudlela, asivunyelwe ukuya ekilasini, asivunyelwe ukuthumela izabelo, futhi asivunyelwe… Cha, ngicabanga ukuthi kunjalo.
Ngasithola lesi saziso ngisekamu, futhi sathi angivunyelwe ngokushesha ukuba ngingene endlini yami yokulala, futhi okuwukuphela kwendlela engangingangena ngayo kwakuyoba ukube nginomuntu ophelezelwa umphakathi ophephile futhi babezobeka imizuzu engu-15 ewashini. Ngakho ngenqaba ukwenza lokho.
Ngesikhathi umemezela ukuthi umisiwe ngoLwesine, ubalule ukuthi kunabanye abafundi ababili uBarnard abamisiwe kanye kanye. Ingabe ninawo umqondo wokuthi kungani isikole sinimise nobathathu ngaleso sikhathi ikakhulukazi?
Nokho, eyodwa, ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu ukuziphindiselela okucacile. Abanye abafundi ababili babe nezigcawu zakamuva zokuqondiswa kwezigwegwe nenyuvesi, noma ngiyaxolisa, nekolishi mayelana nokuhlela kwabo ne-SJP kanye ne-JVP. Kodwa futhi, sobathathu sasizazise kahle kwabezindaba njengabafundi ekamu, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kwakuhlobene kakhulu nakho. Kodwa uma ngikhuluma iqiniso, angiqiniseki kancane. Iqembu labantu abamisiwe ngemva kwethu, lokho kwaba cishe amahora angu-24 ngemva kweqiniso. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi isikole besilinde, mhlawumbe, amarekhodi okuboshwa kwe-NYPD ukuthola ukuthi ngubani ozomisa ngoba bekukhona abantu ababili abamisiwe abebengekho ekamu, kwathi ngemuva kwamahora ambalwa, sahoxiswa, lapho isikole sibona. lokho.
Ukumiswa kwakho kudonse ukunaka okukhulu ngokwengxenye ngoba ngayizolo, umama wakho, omele u-Ilhan Omar, wayebuze uMongameli u-Shafik mayelana nokucindezelwa kwenyuvesi ubushoshovu obusekela i-Palestine esigcawini seNdlu. Ucabangani ngaleso sikhathi?
Ngiqonde ukuthi iyini. I-Columbia University kwadingeka iphendule ngendlela abebehamba ngayo. Futhi, umama ubelokhu engummeli ongaguquki wenkululeko yokukhuluma. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi indlela le nyuvesi ebihamba ngayo iyakhathaza kakhulu. Futhi kuwukuzenzisa kancane ngomqondo wokuthi kuyo yonke imibhikisho yethu noma imicimbi yethu, kube khona ababhikishi abangagunyaziwe nabo. Futhi naphezu kwalokho, yithi kuphela esibhekene nalolo hlobo lwengcindezelo. Inyuvesi ishicilele kuphela ukumiswa kwabafundi abenza umcimbi ophathelene ne-Palestine nokungazweli, kuyilapho abafundi abasifutha ngezikhali zamakhemikhali, lolo lwazi belwaziwa. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi, ikakhulukazi kumuntu onendodakazi enyuvesi ehamba ngendlela ehamba ngayo, ngicabanga ukuthi bekudingeka kakhulu ukuba abuze le mibuzo.
Ucabanga ukuthi ukuhlasela kwamaphoyisa kuzoba namuphi umphumela kubafundi baseColumbia naseBarnard?
Angiqiniseki ngokweqiniso. Ngicabanga ukuthi nami ngiyafisa ukwazi. Ngicabanga ukuthi abantu abaningi bacasukile ngokwenzekayo, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi inyuvesi ibhekene nengcindezi enkulu. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi nakanjani bazodingeka, ngiqagele, baphendule ngendlela abathuthe ngayo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kungenxa yokuthi i-NYPD ngokwayo yathi ikamu lalinokuthula. Babizwa yi-Columbia kunokuba bathole ukuthi badinga ukubopha bodwa. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi singase sibone inkambiso lapho okwenzeka khona nabanye oprofesa, noma hhayi oprofesa, abanye omongameli ngendlela abanqume ukuphatha ngayo abafundi babo nezinto ezinjalo. Kodwa angazi. Ngicabanga ukuthi [uMongameli] uShafik nakanjani ungaphansi komlilo omkhulu futhi kufanele aphendule kuwo ngokushesha ukuze akwazi ukugcina indawo yakhe.
Uzizwa kanjani uma ubheka okwenzekayo njengamanje ekhempasini, ngemibhikisho yanamuhla kusihlwa?
Ngima ebunyeni nalabo bantu. Ngiyalibonga kakhulu iqiniso lokuthi benyuke ngomzuzu esiboshwe ngawo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kukhombisa ngempela ukuthi inhlangano yabafundi inendaba kangakanani futhi izimisele ukulwa nathi nalokhu kucindezelwa. Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi yindlela enhle kangaka nje yobumbano. Futhi ngiyethemba futhi ngithandazela ukuthi baphumelele ubusuku bonke ngaphandle kokushanela. Ngicabanga ukuthi futhi kuyisimo esihlukile kancane njengoba bengenawo amatende amaningi, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi leyo kungenzeka kube yinkinga inyuvesi eyayinayo.
Yini enye ongathanda ukuthi abantu bayazi mayelana ne-Gaza Solidarity Encampment futhi empeleni kwenzekani lapho?
Ngibona sengathi konke obekwenzeka lapho bekusezingeni. Uma ungacabanga, noma nini lapho sizwa sengathi sibhekene nanoma yiluphi uhlobo lwengcindezelo enzima evela enyuvesi noma kungase kube khona ukushanela okuseduze, kwakuyoba nesimemezelo emphakathini futhi bafike ngokushesha ukuzoseseka. Ngisho, umphakathi wabafundi onjalo. Mayelana nobumbano ngaphandle, ngicabanga ukuthi kuhle futhi. Kodwa-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi udlame olusungulwe yi-NYPD luyethusa ngempela, futhi ngithemba ukuthi ukuya phambili singakwazi ukugcina lezi zimfuno, futhi ngethemba ukuthi zizophendulwa.
Size sibe nesenzo noma isu lokumasha kusasa nje ngePalestine, noma ikakhulukazi iGaza kanye nobekwenzeka ngokuqhunyiswa kwamabhomu njengamanje, kanye nokubambana nekamu.
Ingabe ukutholile ukwesekwa okuvela kubuhlakani nabasebenzi baseBarnard e-Columbia, futhi uma kunjalo, lokho kusekelwa kusho ukuthini kuwe?
Ngicabanga ukuthi kusho lukhulu kimina. Ngike ngaba noprofesa bangaphambili engike ngafinyelela kimina futhi bangitshela ukuthi basebumbene futhi bakholelwa nelungelo labafundi lokukhuluma ngokukhululekile. Ngibe nabaningi oprofesa bami abafinyelela kimi futhi bangazisa ukuthi balapha kimi ngesikhathi esinzima, ikakhulukazi ngoba anginazo zonke izinto zami. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kuyethusa kancane ukuba sedolobheni elingenakhaya ngokushesha okungaka futhi ngokushesha. Ngakho-ke, ngenxa yokuthi angikwazi ukuya kunoma yimaphi amakilasi ami noma ngiphenye noma yiziphi izabelo, basukume ngempela ukungazisa ukuthi angidingi ukukhathazeka, okube usizo kakhulu ekungenzeni ngizizwe kancane. uphilile kancane. Futhi, angazi, wonke umuntu ngempela uthathe isinyathelo esikhulu kakhulu sokuseseka, ikakhulukazi umphakathi omkhulu uma kuziwa ekuhlinzekeni ngezinsiza, noma ngabe lokho ukudla, iminikelo yalabo abakhishiwe, futhi ngokubonga, ngizizwa ngiphephe ngokwanele futhi nginendawo yokuhlala kulesi sikhathi sesikhashana.
Kukhona okunye ongathanda ukukwengeza?
Uma kukhona, ngifuna ukusho ukuthi i-Gaza Solidarity Encampment ingenye yeziningi, futhi sibona umnyakazo okhulayo oqhubekayo ezweni lonke emakolishi ekolishi. Futhi lokhu kulandela uVanderbilt noPomona kanye nezenzo zabo eziqinile asebezithathile. Ngakho-ke abaningi bethu babona sengathi lokhu okuncane kakhulu ebesingakwenza njengabafundi abaya esikhungweni esisezingeni eliphezulu esinesandla kulesi simo. Ngicabanga ukuthi siyabona ukuthi kukhona amakamu obumbano ezweni lonke okwamanje kanye nokuhamba ngezinyawo, ngakho-ke kuhle ngempela ukubona ukuthi wonke umuntu uyalwa.
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