USonali Kolhatkar uxoxa no-Amy Goodman noDavid Goodman ku-“Uprising”, KPFK. Ididiyelwe nguThatcher Collins.
UMsombuluko, Ephreli 19, 2004 izitudiyo ze-KPFK, eLos Angeles, CA.
U-Amy Goodman, umphathi we-Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! usanda kubhala incwadi yakhe yokuqala nomfowabo, intatheli uDavid Goodman: "Okuhlukile Kwababusi: Ukuveza Osopolitiki Bamafutha, Abazuza Ngezimpi kanye Nabezindaba Ababathandayo". Njengamanje u-Amy noDavid basohambweni lwamadolobha angama-70 bekhangisa le ncwadi. USonali Kolhatkar, umphathi we-Uprising, ku-KPFK, Pacifica, usanda kuxoxa no-Amy noDavid.
SONALI: Sifuna sikhulume kancani ngomongo wencwadi uqobo lwayo, nohambo lwakho lokufika lapho okhona njengamanje. Encwadini uchaza indlela yakho yobuntatheli eyehluke kakhulu, indlela ye-mainstream. Ungakwazi yini ukuchaza, Amy, emsebenzini wakho siqu, isizinda sakho, umsebenzi wakho wezemfundo kanye nomsebenzi wezishoshovu, yini eyabeka isisekelo sendlela yakho yamanje kuDemocracy Now, mhlawumbe ngisho nalapho usekolishi?
U-AMY: Yebo, njengawe Sonali, mhlawumbe kumane nje kuyiphutha lomlingiswa. Kukholelwa ukuthi kufanele sibambe abantu abasemandleni baziphendulele. Kungakhathaliseki ukuthi, sasingabahleli besikole samabanga aphezulu bephepha lethu lesikole, njengoba sasinjalo mina noDavid, umfowethu kanye nombhali kanye naye, abahlanganyeli kule ncwadi, “The Exception to the Rulers.” Ngaleso sikhathi yayibambe umgomo wokuziphendulela. Futhi ukubukela ubaba wami ngisakhula, ethatha indaba yokuhlanganisa umphakathi, ahole ithimba emphakathini wakithi ukuze sihlanganise izikole, ukuze singabi nazo izikole ezingomakhelwane, kodwa ukuthi sonke safunda ndawonye ngokusho nje. ibanga. Bese ubona ukuthi ubuntatheli bubaluleke kangakanani, kuleli, ukuthi bubaluleke kangakanani emphakathini wentando yeningi.
Yilokho ngempela ingqikithi yale ncwadi. Kunesizathu esenza ukuthi ubuntatheli bube wumsebenzi owodwa obhalwe kumthethosisekelo, ovikelwe wumthethosisekelo ngoba uwukuhlola okubalulekile kanye nokulingana kwabaphethe kuleli. Futhi siyakudinga ngempela lokho; ngebhadi abezindaba abakaze basebenze kanjalo kule minyaka edlule.
SONALI: Ubungajwayele ukuhlela iphephandaba labesifazane ekhempasini [Harvard]?
AMY: Yebo. Nokho, savuselela iphephandaba elilwela amalungelo abesifazane elithi “Seventh Sister.”
SONALI: Ake usitshele kancane ngalokho kanye neminye yemisebenzi yakho? Uphinde wenza ithisisi ku-Depo Provera.
AMY: O Nkulunkulu wami, kade wenza umsebenzi lapha. Ubizeni nje uWashington ucele ukuthi kuvulwe lonke ifayela? [uhleko]
SONALI: Yebo, sisanda kubuza uClinton. [Ngosuku lokhetho, 2000, u-Amy waxoxisana noMongameli wangaleso sikhathi u-Bill Clinton owabiza ukuzokhankasela u-Hilary Clinton, uMongameli uClinton wabiza u-Amy ngokuthi “Onobutha, ophikisayo futhi ongenanhlonipho”].
AMY: Oh Nkosi yami. Hhayi-ke, lalikhona leli phephandaba elilwela amalungelo abantu besifazane elalingasekho. Naleli qembu labesifazane kwadingeka sibuze, kungani lashabalala?
Sasidinga ngaleso sikhathi kunanini ngaphambili. Nokho, ucezu lwami olukhulu ephepheni kwakuwukuhlukunyezwa ngokobulili ekhempasini, ikakhulukazi oprofesa babafundi kanye nobuhlakani obuncane kanye noprofesa besifazane. Mayelana nethesis yami, ngayenza ngesidakamizwa sokuvimbela inzalo, esibizwa ngokuthi i-Depo Provera. Kwakuyithesis ye-anthropology yezokwelapha. Futhi ijovwa kwabesifazane njalo ezinyangeni ezintathu. Yayisetshenziswe emazweni angu-86 emhlabeni jikelele. Abesifazane abebengazi ukuthi khona lapha kuleli aligunyazwanga ngoba lidala umdlavuza kumabhele nezinkawu. Ngangingenawo amandla okuya kwezinye izindawo ukuze ngiyoyiphenya, kodwa ngehlela e-Atlanta, eGeorgia, esibhedlela esikhulu sokusiza abasweleyo, iSibhedlela saseGrady lapho abesifazane abangu-10,000 1985, abesifazane abamnyama babejovwe ngalo muthi. Kwakubizwa ngokuthi "isibhamu." Bebengazi ukuthi akugunyaziwe. Eqinisweni kwaba ukuqala kwephrojekthi yezempilo yabesifazane abamnyama ka-Byllye Avery [blackwomenshealth.org] ngoba abesifazane abaningi babegula. Ekugcineni, yavunyelwa e-United States. Lokho kwakungaphezu kwethesis yami, ngesikhathi engenza ngaso ayizange ivunyelwe. Kodwa abesifazane abayithathayo babengazi lokho, futhi sasicabanga ukuthi kwakubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi bakwenze. Iphuzu lami eliyinhloko ngaleso sikhathi kwaba–ngawenza njengethisisi yasekolishi, kodwa ngacabanga ukuthi kusiza ngani ukwenza lokho koprofesa besilisa abamhlophe abambalwa, hhayi labo abajovwayo. Ngakho-ke uzakwethu [u-Krystyna Von Henneberg] kanye nami sikuguqule kwaba uchungechunge lwezihloko, umagazini we-Multinational Monitor “Icala Elimelene ne-Depo Provera.” [February/March XNUMX]
SONALI: Ngakho-ke encwadini, [kuyabeka], uDavid kanye nawe sibeka izigaba ezahlukahlukene zokuthi indima yakho kuNtando yeningi Manje yaziswa kanjani ngokomsebenzi wakho eNigeria, nase-East Timor, kanye nazo zonke izimpilo ezahlukahlukene- umsebenzi owenzile obeka engcupheni. Ngifuna ukukhuluma kancane mayelana nalokhu esikubona kwenzeka kulo nyaka, ikakhulukazi, kulo nyaka odlule, unyaka onezinqumo kakhulu, unyaka ongashintsha umlando. Sesivele sibona umlando wenziwa ngamakhomishini ka-9/11, nalo lonke uhlobo lolwazi lwangaphakathi oluzophumayo. Futhi ngenkathi iBush Administration yenza zonke lezi zinguquko ezinkulu kakhulu, unalaba bantu bangaphakathi abakhuluma ngaphandle, abashaya amakhwelo abafana noJoseph Wilson, uPaul O'Neil, uKevin Philips, kodwa bafika ngakho ngombono othakazelisayo, akunjalo?
Abalugxeki ngempela uhlelo lulonke. Uyifinyelela kanjani ibhalansi phakathi kwalezi zinhlobo zangaphakathi eziphakeme ezingabaphikisi, ngokumelene nezishoshovu zasemazingeni aphansi okungenzeka kade zisho konke lokhu?
U-AMY: Nokho, okuthakazelisa kangaka kulo nyaka, ukuthi nalabo bantu ababeyingxenye ebalulekile yokusungulwa bavalelwe ngaphandle. Sinezahluko ezimbalwa kule ncwadi ezikhuluma ngamaphepha okusetha i-ajenda yokuqoshwa kwerekhodi kuleli zwe, njenge-New York Times. Esinye salezo zahluko sibizwa ngokuthi “amanga ezikhathi zethu.” Ngisho nalaba bantu ababengene ekujuleni kwesikhungo-uhlobo, owaziyo, abalucaphuna ngemuva, noma ngabe yini-abakhishwe ngeqhwa. Ngoba kwakunokumasha okuvalekile nabaphathi kwaze kwaba sengathi akukho ukuphikisa okuzwakalayo. Futhi yingakho irediyo ye-Pacifica ibaluleke kakhulu, ngisho ukuthi, senza lolu hambo lwemidiya "Okuhlukile Kwababusi" sibungaza imidiya ezimele onyakeni wama-55 we-Pacifica Radio. Futhi kubaluleke kakhulu ngoba, yebo, futhi sisakaza amazwi abaphikisi ngaphakathi ekusungulweni kanye nezishoshovu zokuthula. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi, eqinisweni, omunye wezinhlelo zakuqala ezaziyimpikiswano ku-Pacifica Radio kwakuyi-ejenti ye-FBI eyayikhuluma [uJack Levine, WBAI 1962]–kanye nezinsongo ezinkulu uma bengalokotha baveze lokhu. Ngicabanga ukuthi kwakuseWBAI ngaleso sikhathi. Ngakho-ke unalezo zinsizwa ezingaphakathi kwesikhungo, bese-ke unezishoshovu zokuthula ezivaleleke ngaphandle—zivalelwe ngaphandle ngaleso sikhathi, zivalelwe ngaphandle manje.
Kufanele sibambe abezindaba bebhizinisi baziphendulele. Yazi angisazukuyibiza ngemithombo yezindaba ejwayelekile, sengiyibiza ngemithombo yezindaba eyeqisayo. Ngisho, ubheka isonto eliholela kuFebhuwari 5, lapho uGeneral Colin Powell [uNobhala Wombuso] enikeza inkulumo yakhe ku-UN [umkhandlu wezokuvikela] wempi, futhi ngesonto kamuva, leso sikhathi samaviki ama-2, ngaphambi nje kokuba umbhikisho omkhulu womhlaba. KULUNGILE [http://www.fair.org/reports/iraq-sources.html] wenze lolu cwaningo lwabalingisi abane abakhulu bezindaba zasebusuku, i-NBC, i-ABC, i-CBS, ne-PBS's NewsHour noJim Lehrer. Izingxoxo ezingama-393 ezenziwa ngesikhathi sempi, *ezintathu* kwezicishe zibe ngama-400 zazingezabamele ukulwa nempi. Yilokho kuphela! Akuwona abezindaba osebenzela umphakathi wentando yeningi lowo, wukushaya nje izigubhu ngempi. Nokho, noma kunjalo, abantu abangaphezu kwengxenye kulelizwe babemelene nalokho kuhlasela ngaleso sikhathi. Kuyamangaza lokho.
SONALI: Ngifuna imicabango yakho David ngodaba olufanayo nentatheli ngokwakho. Umuntu uyilinganisa kanjani indaba yokunikeza inkundla kwabangaphakathi, abaphikisana nangaphakathi, ngesikhathi esifanayo elinganisa lokho nokugxeka kwayo yonke inhlangano, abangakugxeki ngempela?
UDAVIDE: Nokho, enye yezindlela esenza ngayo lokho encwadini ethi “The Exception to the Rulers” incwadi yethu entsha ukunikeza ukuhlukahluka kwamazwi. Ngisho ukuthi inkinga ifika lapho abezindaba abajwayelekile bephendukela emthonjeni owodwa kuphela, futhi yilabo abangaphakathi abanikezwa imvume yokukhuluma. Encwadini yethu, siphendukela ezinhlobonhlobo zamazwi: imizabalazo ephansi yokuvikela amalungelo abantu, amalungelo omphakathi ekhaya. Ngakho-ke uzwa abantu emgwaqeni, kanye nenhlangano emelene nempi. Ngakho, eqinisweni, uthola sonke isithombe.
Akukho lutho oluqinile ngakho, futhi kuhlale kuhlekisa kimi, ukuthi lokhu kubhekwa, ukuthi noma ubani angabiza lokhu "okuhlukile" ubuntatheli.
Nokho, uma okunye kuwukumane nje: nikeza zonke izinhlangothi zendaba; khona-ke sisonke ngakho. Kodwa empeleni, lokhu kuyizinto ezilondolozayo ngalowo mqondo. Ngonyaka odlule, kusukela ku-gulf war [2003], sizwile izintatheli eziningi, ziveza imiphefumulo yazo, futhi zikhuluma ngokuthi zenze iphutha kanjani, zadlalwa kanjani nguhulumeni, ngokuzifaka phakathi ezempi. Inkinga nje ukuthi, isikhathi sincane kakhulu. . .
SONALI: Ukhuluma ngesinqumo esinzima phakathi “kwenkemba” “nesihlangu.” Kusho ukuthini lokho? Ngabe izintatheli kufanele ziwe ngandlela thize?
U-AMY: Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kudlula ubuntatheli. Ngicabanga ukuthi kuya ekukhetheni okufanele sikwenze sonke. Incwadi siyiqala futhi siyiphethe endaweni eyodwa futhi lokho kuse-Timor, izwe elalazi ubuhlungu obuningi iminyaka eminingi elaliphethwe yi-Indonesia - okungenye yezibhicongo ezimbi kakhulu zekhulu lama-20. I-Indonesia, yebo, kodwa yasekelwa uhulumeni wase-US, ehlinzeka ngezikhali kanye nokuxhaswa ngezimali kanye nezikhali nokuqeqeshwa. Kodwa iqala lapho kwabulawa khona abantu ngo-1991, lapho lawo ma-M16 ase-US adutshulwa e-Timorese engenakuzivikela. Kuyaphela nakuba abantu base-East Timor begubha inkululeko yabo, lokho kwakuwumhla zingama-20 kuNhlaba wezi-2002. Abantu babazi ubuhlungu obuningi, ukunqoba kwabo kufike ngentengo ephezulu kakhulu. Kodwa ngenxa yokunyakaza kwawo emazingeni aphansi, inkolelo yawo yokuthi ukumelana kuyonqoba; ngenxa yabantu ebunyeni nabo emhlabeni wonke; abantu abebengeke bazi ngeTimor ukube bekungeyona imithombo yezindaba ezimele, ngoba abezindaba bezinkampani, balandela ngobugqila umugqa wokusungulwa iminyaka kuleli zwe [e-US] kanye nakwamanye amazwe. Kodwa kwaba yileso sishoshovu esisemazingeni aphansi emhlabeni wonke okwagcina kusho ukuthi abantu base-East Timor bayibona inkululeko yabo, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuyinothi lethemba, njengoba bebaningi uma kukhulunywa ngezinhlangano ezisuka emazingeni aphansi.
SONALI: Kodwa ngokobuntatheli nje, nokho-ngicabanga ukuthi uDavid wakuveza lokhu ngaphambilini–ethula umbono olinganiselayo lapho yonke imibono ingazwakala ibalulekile. Kodwa ingabe i-Pacifica kufanele ibe nombono olinganiselayo ngokombono wakho noma kufanele i-Pacifica yethule imibono yabancishwe kakhulu?
AMY: Kuhle-. Okokuqala nje, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho abantu abaningi abakubiza ngokuthi “abanganakiwe” kuyinsakavukela umchilo wesidwaba kuleli zwe. Angazi nokuthi ngingaluhlaka kanjani. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu okwenziwa yi-Pacifica isikhathi eside akukhona nje ukuphumela obala kwabancane abancane noma iningi elithule, kodwa iningi *elithulisiwe*, elithuliswe abezindaba bezinkampani. Ngomhla ziyi-15 kuMbasa ngehora lesithathu, 1949, u-Lew Hill waya emoyeni, futhi wamukela abantu emsakazweni we-KPFA. Lokho kwaba ukuqala kwePacifica Radio eminyakeni engu-55 edlule.
Ngomhla ziyi-15 kuMbasa, ngesonto eledlule, ngokugubha iminyaka engu-55, sadlulela ku-Prison Radio Project [prisonradio.org] e-San Francisco, futhi ngosizo lukaNoelle Hanrahan wathola ucingo oluvela ku-Mumia Abu Jamal ababezobulawa ePennsylvania [http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/16/1536225]. Ngicabanga ukuthi umsebenzi wethu lowo, ngicabanga ukuthi umsebenzi wethu ukuya lapho kuthule khona. Umsebenzi wethu wukuzwa ngabantu abangavamisile ukuzwakala. Kungakhathaliseki ukuthi othile osohlwini lokufa, noma othile osejele elivamile, emajele amaningi kunawo wonke emhlabeni, abantu abayizigidi ezimbili kuleli zwe. Noma ngabe ungophikisayo ngaphakathi [komkhandlu] wezokuphepha kazwelonke. Ngicabanga ukuthi thina, abezindaba, kufanele sibe yindawo yokuphikisa.
SONALI: Ekhuluma ngoMumia Abu Jamal, bekungekona ukusakaza ukuphawula kwakhe okwenza ukuthi iDemocracy Now ikhishwe iziteshi zomsakazo zasePennsylvania?
U-AMY: Kunjalo, zonke iziteshi zomsakazo zomphakathi ePennsylvania, eziyishumi nambili kuzo, ngoFebhuwari ka-97, lapho siqala ukusakaza imibono ka-Mumia Abu Jamal, baqeda isivumelwano sabo nathi ngalolo suku, bethi "akufanelekile" ukusakaza. izwi lakhe.
SONALI: Kepha uxoxisane naye muva nje njengoba abalaleli bezwa ngeDemokhrasi Manje, bekhuluma ngalezo zinhlobo zezingcindezi, owazizwa ngaphambi kwenhlekelele yasePacifica [savepacifica.net], futhi ngesikhathi senhlekelele yasePacifica, Intando Yeningi Manje kumele ibhekane nenani elikhulu. yengcindezi, evela ku-Uprising siyazi, mayelana nokuthi yini okufanele siyihlanganise, ukuthi siyimboza kanjani. Ungakwazi yini ukutshela abalaleli bethu ukuthi hlobo luni lwengcindezi i-Democracy Now ebhekene nayo, ingcindezi yezepolitiki evela emaqenjini anxenxa ukuthi udaba lwawo lube semoyeni, abantu ngabanye, abasakazi, abantu be-PR?
U-AMY: [Ikhefu] Sizama nje ukuhlela isifundo esicacile nsuku zonke, futhi sithole njengawe, ukuthi yini okufanele siyihlanganise usuku ngalunye. Kukhona ingcindezi eningi laphaya, futhi empeleni, kunjengoba kufanele kube njalo, ngoba abantu abaningi bafuna abantu abaningi bathole ulwazi. Kubaluleke kakhulu, sinomthwalo wemfanelo omkhulu, umthwalo owesabekayo. Ngenxa yokuthi amanethiwekhi achitha isibopho sawo, kukhona wonke umuntu okufanele alalelwe, futhi kuyasondela kakhulu endabeni. Ukuthola abantu abakhona lapho enkabeni yakhona, belandela izimiso eziyisisekelo zobuntatheli obuhle esikhundleni saleli qeqebana longoti abazi okuncane ngakho, abaphawula ngakho konke okusonga izandla “senze kanjani ingabe kungalungile ngonyaka odlule ngokungamemi muntu owayebuza imibuzo ngonyaka odlule?" Sengiqala ukucabanga ukuthi laba bantu benethiwekhi esibabona nsuku zonke, futhi kubonakala sengathi inethiwekhi ngayinye, empeleni bonke bahlala egumbini elilodwa futhi bashintsha ilogo usuku lonke: NBC, ABC, CBS. Nokho sinomthwalo wemfanelo omkhulu futhi njengoba nginesiqiniseko sokuthi nawe uyayizwa ingcindezi, wukukhipha amazwi amaningi ngangokunokwenzeka. Abantu bechaza okuhlangenwe nakho kwabo siqu.
SONALI: Nombuso Wentando Yeningi Manje namuhla cishe inomthwalo omkhulu kunanoma yisiphi isikhungo kwabezindaba ezizimele. Njengoba ukuchazile, ukuhlanganyela okukhulu kwemidiya [okuzimele] e-United States.
Ngifuna ukukhuluma kancane mayelana nokugxeka okujwayelekile ngakwesobunxele, uma uthanda, abantu abakushoyo, ukuthi abantu abangakwesobunxele abahlangani ezindabeni, kukhona ukuxabana nokuphikisana okuningi. Bazenza kanjani abantu bemithombo yezindaba ezimele, izintatheli zemithombo yezindaba ezizimele, noma ni–zihlanganisa kanjani izingxabano ezingase zizungeze abantu abanamandla, ukusho kwesokunxele uma kuqhathaniswa nezibalo ezinamandla kwesokudla? Ingabe kufanele sinikeze indinganiso ehlukile kubantu abangakwesobunxele uma kuqhathaniswa nabantu abakwesokudla?
U-AMY: [ikhefu] Cha, akufanele kube nezindinganiso ezihlukile. [ikhefu] Ngicabanga ukuthi sidinga ukuletha zonke izimiso ezifanayo esiziletha kunoma iyiphi inkinga kuwo wonke umuntu.
SONALI: Ngokwesibonelo, ngo-Uprising ngesinye isikhathi muva nje [November 13, 2003], saba nohlelo kuMichael Moore nakwezinye zezinto azisho ngo-Mumia Abu Jamal encwadini yakhe, mayelana nodaba lwakhe lokugunyazwa kwakhe, uma intando, kaWesley Clark. Sabhekana nolaka oluningi oluvela kwabanye abalaleli ababecasulwe kakhulu ukuthi sasilokothe siveze iphutha kumuntu othathwa njengomholi ngempela, uma uzo-
U-AMY: Cha, ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kubaluleke kakhulu, siphinde sabuza uMichael Moore, mayelana nokugxila kwakhe ku-Mumia Abu Jamal [Januwari 23, 2004], nokuthi kungani azi lokho, uyazi, encwadini ukuphawula kwakhe ngaye, yini eyayimenza aqiniseke kangaka.
Ekugcineni wathi uzokukhipha lokho encwadini yakhe eyiphepha. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi wonke umuntu kufanele abuzwe.
SONALI: Sekusele imizuzu embalwa nje. Ngifuna futhi ukukubuza esahlukweni sokugcina sencwadi, ukhuluma nge-Indymedia [indymedia.org] njengenye yezikhungo ezinkulu eziphume kulokho okwenzeka e-Seattle [ngoNovemba 30, 1999 imibhikisho ephikisana ne-WTO] . Lo mehluko phakathi kwabezindaba zezinkampani kanye nabezindaba abazimele. Kimina, umehluko awukona ngempela okuqukethwe, akunjalo? Ngoba ungaba nebhizinisi elincike kwesokunxele, uma uthanda, ukwenza inzuzo, njengesibonelo i-Air America Radio [airamericaradio.com], esanda kungena kulayini, enokuqukethwe okukhululekile kodwa okusese- ibhizinisi lenzuzo. Ngakho-ke, uvelaphi umehluko wangempela phakathi kwemidiya ezimele nezinkampani? Ingabe iphuma kusakhiwo? I-Indymedia iyisakhiwo esiqhutshwa ngokuhlanganyela, kodwa i-Pacifica ayinjalo.
U-AMY: Ngicabanga ngendaba ye-Air America, okokuqala, ngicabanga, iziteshi eziningi, ukuhlukahluka kwemibono, kungcono. Ingasiza kuphela wonke umuntu. Nakuba, ukubona ukuhlanganiswa kwezindaba okukhulu kunakho konke emlandweni waleli zwe. Endabeni ye-Air America, bangamaqembu aziqhenyayo, bayiqembu elisekela iDemocratic ngokusobala. Bafuna ukuphikisa, uyazi, i-pro-Bush Clear-Channel-ing of America, futhi basho isikhundla sabo "ABB: Anything But Bush." Futhi umuntu oyedwa ngemva komunye ukwenza kucace lokho. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi inqobo nje uma kunesitatimende esicacile sesikhundla, kulungile–siyazi ukuthi baphumaphi. Futhi acace kakhulu, empeleni, i-Air Democratic Party. Futhi baphikisana namandla kuleli zwe kwabezindaba zezinkampani okuyi-Air Republican Party, niyazi, i-Clear Channel ineziteshi ezingaphezu kuka-1200, umdondoshiya oxhumene kakhulu noBush-crony, omkhulu wezokuxhumana. Kodwa ake siveze ukuthi isizathu sokuba bakhule kangaka yingoba umthetho weTelecommunications Act ka-1996, owavunywa nguClinton noGore. Ngicabanga ukuthi thina ePacifica asiboni noma yiliphi lamaqembu, sikhuluma ngokuzimela, futhi lokho kubaluleke kakhulu.
SONALI: Kulungile, bengifisa ukubuza lo mbuzo: Ngabe usuku lweDemocracy Manje lubukeka kanjani ngemuva kokuphela kohlelo? Uhlala kanjani phansi nabadidiyeli bakho niqhamuke nemibono yezindaba? Ithini inqubo? Ingabe u-Amy Goodman ungumkhiqizi omkhulu?–ngoba awuzifaki ohlwini [emakhredithi asezulwini] wena njengomdidiyeli. Ibukeka kanjani ngemuva kwezigcawu?
U-AMY: Sonke sisebenza kukho ndawonye usuku lonke. Futhi kuwusuku oluphenduka lube sebusuku, lugoqe lube yimini, lube sebusuku. Kunzima ukuhlukanisa phakathi kwakho konke. Sigcwele izingcingo, ngama-imeyili, sifunda amaphephandaba emhlabeni wonke, ku-inthanethi, sithola ulwazi kubantu ngayo yonke indlela, sishaya izingcingo eziningi, sibuka umabonakude ngoba sineqhaza ezimbili kwabezindaba ezizimele. Enye iwukuba sisondele endabeni ngendlela esingakwazi ngayo, futhi sithole abantu abangayixoxa kangcono leyo ndaba, kanti enye iwukuhlakaza indaba eyethulwe abezindaba zezinkampani, ngoba yindlela abantu abaningi abayiqonda ngayo leyo, uma senza indaba abasuke beyenza nhlobo. Futhi lokho kubaluleke kakhulu, ngoba kufanele uhlele kabusha ukuze wakhe, futhi uvumele abantu bezwe amazwi asondelene kakhulu naleyo ndaba. Ngakho sinezindima ezimbili ezinkulu.
SONALI: Kungenzeka yini ukuphatha iDemocracy Now njengeqoqo?
U-AMY: [ikhefu] Sisebenza njalo ngosuku olulodwa ngaleyo ndlela, emuva naphambili, yini esebenzayo, yini engasebenzi, ukukhuluma ngezindaba ezahlukene okufanele sizenze, ukulwa nakho, yini ezongena lapho, yini ngeke angene lapho. Futhi uma ingangeni ngalolo suku, singayithola kanjani ngosuku olulandelayo.
SONALI: Kulungile, futhi ekugcineni, uke ulale? [USonali no-Amy bayahleka]
UDAVIDE: Cha, kodwa u-Amy angazama ukuphendula lokho.
SONALI: U-Amy Goodman, uDavid Goodman, incwadi yabo entsha, “The Exception to theRulers: edalula osopolitiki abanamafutha, abahlomuli bempi, kanye nabezindaba ezibathandayo.” Futhi ungakuzwa konke lokho emcimbini wangoLwesithathu. Sizokutshela ngalokho ngomzuzwana nje. Ulalele Ukuvuka, sizobuya manje.
Le nhlolokhono yasakazwa ngoLwesibili zingama-20 kuMbasa ngo-8 am Pacific Standard Time.
Ilotshwe nguThatcher Collins.
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