USarah Kendzior uhlala futhi ubhala enhliziyweni yaseMelika, futhi kulokho akubonile, izwe selizoqhuma. Intatheli iyalandisa UbaniKungani Jeff Schechtman ukuthi ukukhethwa kukaDonald Trump kuyisenzo sokuvula. Ukucwasa ngokwebala, ukubusa kwabamhlophe kanye nodlame konke kubhebhetheka eduze kakhulu, futhi ukucwasa kuzofaka uphethiloli emlilweni.
Akukhona nje kuphela ukuthi izitolo nezitshalo zivaliwe, kodwa ubuntatheli obuzinze endaweni sebunyamalele. Esikhaleni solwazi esiwumphumela umthelela wekhebula elivuvukalayo kanye nemithombo yezindaba yezwe ephiko kwesokudla kanye nezindaba ezingamanga likhulu. Njengombukeli oseduze we-Trump Country, u-Kendzior upenda isithombe esibi nesicishe sibe nesibi sokuthi isizwe sisonke siyaphi.
UJeff Schechtman: Siyakwamukela kuRadio WhoWhatWhy. NginguJeff Schechtman.
Ukubuka iviki elidlule, uSuku lwangemva koKhetho lufana nokubuka isiphihli semoto. Siyazi ukuthi akufanele sibheke, kodwa asikwazi ukuzibamba kodwa sibe nelukuluku. Umehluko oyinhloko lapha ukuthi ukuphahlazeka kuyasithinta, imoto ye-clown noma ukuhlelwa kwezinguquko kusinika umbono wokuthi sizothinteka kanjani sonke eminyakeni emine ezayo. Umongameli uthe ekuqaleni kwaleli sonto ukuthi lokhu kumane kungenye yezigzag zomlando; ukuthi ngokuvamile izinto ziye zaba zimbi ngaphambi kokuba zibe ngcono. Impela ngokombono womlando, lokho kuyiqiniso, kodwa kusho ukuthini ngeMelika kanye nomhlaba wama-21st ekhulwini? Nsuku zonke, sizwa ongoti bezepolitiki bekhuluma ngokwenzekile nokuthi kungani, kanti okunye kwakho kuhle futhi kuyaqondisisa, kodwa iningi lakhona livela kubantu abafanayo abangazange bakubone konke kuza.
Isivakashi sami namuhla, u-Sarah Kendzior uhlala phakathi kwayo, enhliziyweni yeMelika. Ubhale kabanzi ngezihloko zobuhlanga nesigaba kanye nendima yaseMelika emhlabeni. Usanda kushicilela incwadi yezindatshana zakhe enesihloko esithi: Ukubuka okuvela kuFlyover Country futhi ubhala ikholomu evamile ye I-Globe ne-Mail. Kuyinjabulo yami ukwamukela u-Sarah Kendzior kuRadio WhoWhatWhy. Sarah, siyabonga kakhulu ngokusijoyina.
Sarah Kendzior: O, ngiyabonga ngokuba nami.
UJeff Schechtman: Njengoba ubheka ukuthi yini esenze safinyelela kulokho ebesibhekene nakho kusukela ngoSuku Lokhetho, enye yezinto engiyazi ukuthi ubhale futhi wakhuluma ngayo ukuthi isilandiso salokhu sinesikhathi eside sinathi. . Lokhu akuyona into esanda kwenzeka onyakeni odlule noma onyakeni nohhafu odlule phakathi nomkhankaso; ukuthi izigigaba ezisifikise lapho esikhona namuhla kade zaqalwa. Khuluma ngalokho.
Sarah Kendzior: Yebo, lokho kuyiqiniso ezicini eziningi. Mayelana noTrump nokwesekwa kwakhe okudumile, ngihlala e-St. Louis e-Missouri futhi ukwehla komnotho akuzange kuphele lapha. Abantu bakhungatheke kakhulu ngesimo sabo sezomnotho futhi kube nzima kakhulu kubantu ukuthi babambelele emisebenzini yesigaba esiphakathi futhi ngakho-ke lolo hlobo lokunganeliseki oludumile kwezomnotho uTrump noSanders, futhi ekugcineni uClinton akugcizelela kakhulu lubalulekile. Akuyona into kuphela. Ngokusobala, uTrump uqhube umkhankaso wokucwasa ngokwebala nobandlululo kakhulu; uhlobo lomkhankaso wobuzwe abamhlophe okhumbuza ondlovukayiphikiswa. Kufanele ngiqaphele ukuthi ngihlala e-Missouri, ngakho-ke nginawo lo mbono kodwa futhi ngineziqu ze-Ph.D. ku-anthropology lapho ngafunda khona ubushiqela, ikakhulukazi umbuso wobushiqela wangemva kweSoviet njenge-Uzbekistan, ngakho-ke ngiwuchwepheshe kulowo mkhakha. Izinto eziningi ezenziwa nguTrump phakathi nomkhankaso wakhe zingikhumbuze kakhulu ondlovukayiphikiswa engike ngabafunda mayelana nokudicilela phansi isithunzi sakhe, ukusebenzisa kwakhe ukubukwa, ukuphatha abezindaba kanye nokuxhaphaza kwakhe uquqaba. Labo abamvotele, ngicabanga ukuthi basayine into abangayifuni ngempela. Angicabangi ukuthi uzozifeza izethembiso zakhe kubo ukuze athuthukise indlela yabo yokuziphilisa noma abagcine bephephile. Mina, empeleni, ngicabanga ukuthi okuphambene kuzokwenzeka. Lokho kuyiqiniso ngoba ukushilo ngokungagwegwesi, okuhlanganisa kudala ngaphambi kokhetho. Isibonelo, ngoFebhuwari 2014, uTrump waya kuFox News ekhuluma ngeRussia - okufanele sibuyele kulokhu ngoba kuyathakazelisa kakhulu ukuthi umsakazi womdlalo we-TV ongokoqobo uzoba ku-TV ekhuluma ngenqubomgomo yezangaphandle yaseRussia ngo-2014 - kodwa enye into ayishilo. Ngaleso sikhathi, inhlolokhono yayiwukuthi ukuze iMelika ibuyele lapho yayikhona, ibuyele ekubeni mkhulu, sidinga ukuwa kwezomnotho okuphelele futhi sidinga izibhelu. Ukubize ngokusobala lokhu. Umeluleki wakhe omkhulu kanye nomeluleki wakhe kuwo wonke umkhankaso wakhe, uSteve Bannon, ongomhlophe ngokwedlulele ophethe iBreitbart Media, okuyisiza sophiko lwesokudla, naye ukhulume izinto ezifanayo. Uzichaze njengoLeninist ofuna ukucekela phansi umbuso kodwa ngeke ngimchaze njengoLeninist njenge-accelerationist, okuyinto nami engingayichaza uTrump. Ngakho-ke kunezici eziningi eziya kulokhu futhi kukhanda kancane kodwa bengilokhu ngilandelela unyaka wonke. Ngakhathazeka kakhulu unyaka wonke ukuthi uTrump uzowina ngempela; Ngiyazi ukuthi ama-poll athi ngeke akwenze lokho kodwa ngikubonile ukwesekwa kwangempela okuthandwayo engakubona kubantu lapha maphakathi nezwe kodwa futhi namaqhinga amaningi akhohlisayo angikhumbuza kakhulu ukuthi omashiqela bathatha kanjani amandla, ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukuthi sikubhekisise kahle konke okwenzekile sikuphenye ngempela ngoba esizobhekana nakho ngokuzayo kubi kakhulu futhi ngibona kufanele sizame ngakho konke okusemandleni ukukumisa.
UJeff Schechtman: Khuluma kancane ngalokho ongakuzwa kubantu endaweni yangakini yezwe, enkabeni yezwe mayelana nalokho okulindele; abacabanga ukuthi kuzokwenzekani ngezinga lokuthi bavotele uTrump ngoba nje befuna ukunyakazisa izinto noma ngoba bebelindele ukuthi ngandlela thize kuzokwenza izimpilo zabo zibe ngcono?
Sarah Kendzior: Nokho, ngidlule emibuthanweni eminingi kaTrump kanye nemihlangano eminingi yephathi yetiye kaTrump eMissouri nase-Illinois unyaka wonke. Angizange ngihambe njengentatheli, ngahamba njengelungu lesixuku futhi abantu babekhuluma nami ngokukhululekile ngoba babecabanga ukuthi ngingomunye umsekeli kaTrump. Into eyodwa okufanele icace ukuthi leli akulona iqembu le-monolithic labantu. Kukhona abanye abantu abanobandlululo ngempela, abamelene nezifiki, abanobandlululo; konke lokho kukhona. Kukhona abanye abavele baphelelwe yithemba. Banomuzwa wokuthi izidingo zabo azizange zisingathwe yiDemocratic Party, ngu-Obama kanye ne-GOP futhi. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kunembile ngokuphelele. Kusukela ngo-2008, kube wumzukuzuku ukuhlala lapha ngaphandle kanye nokuziphilisa. Ngicabanga ukuthi sisesikhathini lapho abantu bezizwa bephelelwe yithemba futhi becasukile kangangokuthi bazimisele ukulalela noma ubani okhuluma ngenkuthalo ukuthi unendaba nenhlalakahle yabo, ukuthi uzobuyisela izimpilo zabo lapho kwakukuhle. , ikakhulukazi ukuthi bazoba nemisebenzi ezinzile futhi baphinde basebenze kanye nomuzwa wokuphepha nokufakwa empilweni yaseMelika. Lowo muzwa uyaqondakala. UDonald Trump ngeke akwenze lokho. Empeleni akaqondi noma akanandaba nabantu kule ngxenye yezwe. Ube nempilo yakhe yonke njengosozigidigidi wethonya elikhulu kanye nethonya lezombangazwe ukuze akhathalele ukuthi kwenzekani kubantu lapha ngaphandle futhi konke akwenzile ukunyakazisa abantu phansi. Ukwenze lokho kuyo yonke indawo; yonke indawo ukusuka e-Atlantic City kuya eGary Indiana. Usezozamazamisa izwe lonke ngendlela eyi-kleptocratic. Ngicabanga ukuthi ngokwenza izinsiza ezizimele, ngokungalethi imisebenzi, ngokwenza abantu bazizwe bephelelwa yithemba - futhi lolo hlobo lokuphelelwa ithemba lungaholela odlameni lobuhlanga futhi lungaholela ebugebengwini benzondo, ikakhulukazi uma ugqugquzelwa ukwenza lobo bugebengu obunenzondo ngokusobala ngabaphathi. . Ukuqashwa kukaSteve Bannon nabanye, uthi lokhu ukuziphatha okugunyaziwe manje; ukuthi kulungile ukuthi umongameli asekelwe yi-Ku Klux Klan, ukuthi ungakwazi ukuphuma ekuphatheni abantu abangewona abelungu ngendlela ehlambalazayo, enonya futhi evame ukuba nobuqaba. Izithembiso zakhe, kufanele silindele ukuba azifeze. Abantu abaningi bebengabaza ukuthi uzokwenza izinto ezifana nokwenza uhlu lokubhaliswa kwamaSulumane noma axoshe ngobuningi ngoba lezi yizinhlobo zamaqhinga ezenzeka emibusweni yondlovukayiphikiswa. Lezi yizinhlobo zezinto ezingenzeki e-United States. Siye saba nezenzo zonya e-United States, kodwa ngokuvamile sikhetha ukungakhulumi ngazo noma ukuziqhayisa ngazo ngokukhululekile. Ukusho ngokusobala ukuthi uzokwenza lokhu, ukusho kuwo wonke umkhankaso futhi manje wenza lezi zinhlelo. Ngakho-ke sisesimweni esibi kakhulu lapho ngicabanga ukuthi sizokwehla ngokwezomnotho. Ngicabanga ukuthi wonke umuntu uzohlupheka, noma ngabe uvotele uTrump noma awumvotelanga. Angase azame ukuthobisa abantu ekuqaleni ngokubaxosha imisebenzi ethile, mhlawumbe ngamaphrojekthi wengqalasizinda kodwa kubukeka kucace eqenjini lakhe ukuthi inhloso - njengoba ubonile kwamanye amazwe emhlabeni wonke, ukuzama ukwenza okuningi. imali yakhe nabangani bakhe ngendlela angakwazi ngayo ngokusebenzisa nokusebenzisa kabi amandla okuphatha ukuphuca izinsiza zezwe nokwenza uhlobo lwenkohlakalo anayo, iningi lazo esingazi ngazo ngoba ngeke ayikhiphe intela yakhe. izimbuyiselo. Ngakho-ke kufanele sikulungele ukuntengantenga komnotho ngendlela eyeqisayo.
UJeff Schechtman: Lapho eziningi zalezi zithembiso zingafezeki, lapho izimpilo zabantu kuleyo ngxenye yezwe zingathuthuki, ingabe sizobona ukucwasa okuqhubekayo ngokubona kwakho?
Sarah Kendzior: Yebo, ngokuphelele. Lokho kuyinto engikhathazeke kakhulu ngayo. Ngicabanga ukuthi njengamanje, abantu abavotele uTrump ngokusobala bajabule ngokuthi uwinile. Abanye bangabantu abavamile nje abajabulela ukuthi umuntu okhethiwe ukwazile ukushaya u-Hillary Clinton, kodwa abanye - sibone ukwanda okukhulu kobugebengu obunenzondo. Ngicabanga ukuthi enye yezinkulu emlandweni wezwe kusukela baqala ukulandelela lokhu: ngesonto elilandela ukhetho. Konke; kusukela kuma-swastika apendwe ezindaweni ukuze โenze iMelika ibe mhlophe futhiโ kuya kubantu abashaywayo nabahlukunyezwayo, izingane ezigconwa emakilasini kuze kube izinsongo kumaSulumane namaJuda, kuvele kudideke kakhulu. Akubonakali kunokusabela okuningi kuhulumeni wethu ukukumisa. Abaholi abakhulumi kakhulu ngakho ngaphandle kwezimbalwa ezimbalwa, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kuyathakazelisa kakhulu ukuthi omunye walabo abahlukile uHarry Reid, oshiya uhulumeni. Wakhuluma ngendlela eqinile. Ngakho-ke kufanele uzibuze ukuthi kungani u-Obama nabanye abaholi bengenamandla kakhulu lapho kunesimo sangempela sosongo esivela kumongameli okhethiwe kuleli thimba kuya ezakhamuzini ezivamile zaseMelika nokuthi lokhu kusongela kwenziwa ngendlela enabantu abaningi futhi ekugcineni kuzokwenziwa nomthetho ngokwawo; ngamandla okuphatha uqobo. Ngicabanga ukuthi njengoba engazifezi izethembiso nemisebenzi ayibuyi lapha futhi uma izinsiza ziphucwa abantu abahluphekayo banda, uzobakhuthaza njengoba enzile kuwo wonke umkhankaso wakhe wokubheka izimbuzi. Lezo zimbuzi kuzoba ngamaSulumane, abaseMexico nanoma ngubani afuna ukusola le nkinga kuye. Abezindaba badlale phansi ngempela lokhu. Badlale phansi lokhu kuwo wonke umkhankaso, okuhlanganisa izigameko ezinkulu ezifana namasonto amabili ngaphambi kokhetho, iqeqebana labalandeli bakaTrump laboshwa yi-FBI ngokwakha isikhali esibhubhisayo ukuze kuqhunyiswe isakhiwo esihlala abantu baseSomalia eKansas. Lokho kimi kuyindaba enkulu kakhulu. Ake ucabange ukuthi ngabe lokho bekungenye indlela futhi isixuku samaSulumane aseSomalia sasihlele ukuqhumisa isakhiwo samaKansans amhlophe. Kungaba yonke indawo, kodwa angazi noma uke wezwa ngakho, angazi noma abalaleli bakho bezwile yini ngakho, kodwa ungakubheka. I-Kansas City Star ihlanganise kahle kakhulu. Ngakho-ke kukhona okwenzekayo lapho okuningi kwalokhu kubonakala kugunyazwe abezindaba, kugunyazwe uhulumeni futhi kukhumbuza kakhulu omashiqela, abadlule nabamanje futhi ngicabanga ukuthi kuyinkinga ephuthumayo. Ngicabanga ukuthi yinto uhulumeni nabantu, abantu abakholelwa ezimisweni zaseMelika; ukuthi kufanele sikhululeke, ukuthi kufanele siphephe, ukuthi kufanele sihloniphane njengezakhamuzi futhi sihloniphe amalungelo omunye nomunye njengezakhamuzi. Noma ubani okukhathalelayo lokho kufanele akhathazeke kakhulu njengamanje futhi axhumane nabameleli bakhe futhi akhulume futhi azame ukuqongelela umkhankaso omkhulu wokulwa nalolu hlobo lwesihluku esivunyelwe, uma kungenzeka.
UJeff Schechtman: Kuningi okubhaliwe ngezinga abantu kuzo zombili izinhlaka abangaqondi ngempela ukuthi impilo injani eFlyover Country. Ukhulume kancane ngalokho. Ingabe kukhona umuzwa phakathi kwabantu kuleyo ngxenye yezwe, maphakathi nezwe; ngalokho okwenzekile, yini eshintshayo, indlela umhlaba oshintshe ngayo mayelana namadolobha kanye neMelika yasemadolobheni?
Sarah Kendzior: Into eyodwa okufanele ngiyisho iqonde ukuthi nathi asisibo abakwa-monolith lapha. Louis ihlukile kunedolobhana elincane eMissouri. I-Missouri ihlukile kune-Nebraska. Kwesinye isikhathi, kuba khona lokhu kuthambekela kogu kokusiphatha njengamaZwe Ahamba Phansi futhi kusiphathe njengabangacacile. Esifana ngakho esifundeni ukuthi yebo, ukukhathazeka kwethu akunakwa, kade kwaba khona. BengiseRust Belt, idolobha laseMidwestern elashayeka kanzima ngenxa yokuwohloka komnotho futhi bengilokhu ngibhala ngalokho futhi ngikuqopha isikhathi eside futhi angicabangi ukuthi ogwini bayakuqonda. Silahlekelwe amabhizinisi amaningi lapha ngemuva kokuwa komnotho kodwa elinye lamabhizinisi esilahlekelwe yimidiya. Kukhona ukwehliswa nokusikwa kwamaphephandaba ethu endawo ngendlela emangalisayo, ikakhulukazi emadolobheni amancane kodwa nasemadolobheni amakhulu njengeSt. Lokho kunolwazi oluningi oluphumayo futhi lwahlanekezela ukulandisa kwezwe. Abantu bavame ukuthembela kakhulu ezitolo zezindaba zamakhebula, ezitolo zezindaba zikazwelonke. Njengamanje, intatheli eyodwa kwezine okwamanje ihlala emadolobheni abizayo amathathu asogwini. Uma lokho kwenzeka, uthola umbono osontekile futhi ohlanekezelwe walokho umMelika ojwayelekile abhekana nakho. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kubonakala kubantu njengokunganaki, bakhungatheka kakhulu. Babona sengathi ukukhathazeka kwabo okusemthethweni akuzwakali futhi lokho kunikeza ithuba lokungena kwe-deagogue eyingozi njengoDonald Trump azenze umuntu obakhathalelayo, kodwa kuyindida enkulu ngoba empeleni uyibhiliyoni elite laseNew York, ugcina ikhabethe lakhe nabanye abangosozigidigidi. Akanendaba nokuthi kuzokwenzekani kithi lapha ngaphandle futhi sesivele sihlupheka la ngaphandle futhi ngicabanga ukuthi ukuhlupheka kwethu kuzoba kubi kakhulu. Kuyihlazo elikhulu lokho. Ngimema izikhulu ezikhethiwe lapho ngihlala khona ukuthi zithathe usongo lukaDonald Trump kanye nokuphatha kwakhe njengento ebalulekile, zikhumbule ukuthi bakhethelwe ukusebenzela abantu nokuthi bebengakwenzi kahle lokho iminyaka eyisishiyagalombili, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi. abantu abaningi bangavuma ukubanciphisa kancane uma bengangenelela manje futhi baphazamise isimo esiyingozi kakhulu.
UJeff Schechtman: Kungakanani ukuqonda indlela umhlaba oye washintsha ngayo ngenxa yobuchwepheshe nokuhwebelana kwembulunga yonke, nokuthi ngezindlela eziningi i-genie ayikwazi ukubuyiselwa ebhodleleni? Ziningi izinkulumo, vele, mayelana nokukhiqiza kanye nemisebenzi elahlekile. Ngokuphathelene nomkhiqizo wokukhiqiza, empeleni kuphezulu kunalokho obekuyikho esikhathini eside. Umehluko ukuthi kuthatha ingxenye eyodwa kwezintathu yenani lemisebenzi ukwenza lokho kukhiqiza namuhla. Kungakanani ukuqonda kwalezi zinguquko ezibalulekile?
Sarah Kendzior: Ngisho ukuthi, angikwazi ukukhulumela abanye abantu. Ngiyakwazi ukuzikhulumela nje nokuthi ngikubona kangakanani lokho kukhulunywa futhi kuxoxwa yizindaba kanye nezikhulu zikahulumeni, futhi angicabangi ukuthi kuxoxwa ngakho ngendlela okufanele kuxoxwe ngayo. Ngiyawesaba ama-automation. Ngaleyo ndlela izisebenzi eziningi zalahlekelwa imisebenzi yazo. UTrump ugcizelele ukukhishwa kwemisebenzi, kodwa okuningi okushintshile umnotho kule minyaka eyisishiyagalombili edlule kube wukuthenga nge-inthanethi, ukuvalwa kwezitolo zendawo kanye nezitolo ezinkulu; abantu abebesebenza khona manje abasebenzi. Ngicabanga ukuthi sizobona ukwanda kobuchwepheshe obuningi obuzenzakalelayo obuzongena esikhundleni sabasebenzi. Abanye babambisene nabo ababalulekile bakaTrump abantu baseSilicon Valley abanohlobo lwefilosofi yenkululeko futhi abangenandaba nabasebenzi. Banentshisekelo nje esicini sezobuchwepheshe. Kubonakala bengenaso isibopho sokuziphatha sokucabanga ngokuthi ubani lona ozolimaza nokuthi yini ezothatha indawo yakho. Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kuyingozi, kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kunezinye izinqubomgomo ezingaba nengqondo kakhulu, okuhlanganisa ukukhushulwa kweholo elincane kanye nokudala amathuba emisebenzi kulo mnotho omusha wabasebenzi be-blue collar kanye nokuqeda uhlobo lokuqinisekisa okuvame ukudingwa yimisebenzi emisha. . Manje, imisebenzi obungayidingi iziqu zasekolishi emashumini ambalwa eminyaka edlule, ngokuzumayo udinga iziqu zasekolishi, futhi iziqu zasekolishi ngokuzumayo zibiza ngendlela emangalisayo. Lokho kugcina abantu abaningi bevaleleke ngaphandle kwemakethe yemisebenzi. Angiboni ukuthi uTrump uyakuqonda lokhu. Angicabangi ukuthi abantu abaningi bayakuqonda lokhu kodwa wonke umuntu akuqondayo ukuphelelwa yithemba njengoba lokhu kuhlanganisa. Ukuthi lokho kuphelelwa yithemba kungasetshenziswa kahle njengokukuqeda, ukunika abantu imisebenzi, ukunika abantu impilo enhle, ukunika abantu amathuba okubafanele nokuqeda ubunzima babo, kungaba kuhle lokho. Kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi uTrump ubona lesi senzo njengethuba lokuxhaphaza ubuhlungu nobunzima babantu futhi njengoba lobo bunzima bukhula, sesibonile kuwo wonke umlando, indlela abantu abaphenduka ngayo abanonya lapho behlupheka. Indlela abantu ababecabanga ukuthi abasoze benze okuthile komunye umuntu ingaholela ekwenzeni lokho uma isimo sabo somnotho sisibi, uma benomuzwa wokuthi bangaphunyula ngokomthetho futhi uma bezizwa sengathi bayingxenye. yokunyakaza kwesixuku esikhulu. Abantu bayathinteka kakhulu kulokhu. Akuyona indaba yokuthi ulungile noma umubi, kodwa ingabe isenzo osenzayo sihle noma sibi? Ingabe uzimisele ukwenqaba okubi, uzimisele ukuma nje lapho abanye abantu bezolimala? Ngakho-ke ngizosho khona manje: uma uzoma ubukele uTrump enza izinto azihlelayo kubantu baseMexico namaSulumane futhi ucabange ukuthi ngeke kugcine kwenzeke kuwe ngoba umhlophe noma ngoba ungumuntu. umuntu owamvotela noma owameseka kuzokwenzeka kuwe ngoba umuntu amkhathalele nguye yedwa nabacebe bakhe abacebile kakhulu bazoliphuca lelizwe wena uzolahlekelwa okungaphezu kwalokho onakho. . Anginanzondo ngabavoti bakaTrump.
UJeff Schechtman: Uma sibheka isibonelo somlando salolu hlobo lokugudluzwa kanye nalolu hlobo lokusabela, khuluma ngalokho okubonayo.
Sarah Kendzior: Kuyathakazelisa; uma ufunda umlando wezifundazwe futhi umbuso uyazi ukuthi uzoba namandla aphelele phezu kwabantu, ngokuvamile bayayeka ubuqili ngakho. Bavame ukuyeka ukushiya lokho esikubiza ngokuthi "ikutshela" ukuze abantu baqonde ukuthi kwenzekani. Abantu abanolwazi ngale mibuso bangaqonda ukuthi kwenzekani ngoba bayakubona lokhu kufana komlando. Ngakho-ke uma uTrump esho iMelika kuqala, okuyisiqubulo sobufascist, lapho abeluleki bakhe bekhuluma ngokwenza izitimela zisebenze ngesikhathi, okuhambisana noHitler, lapho bekhuluma ngokukhipha amanzi emaxhaphozini, okuwumusho oqhamuke. UMussolini, lapho uTrump ebhala ku-Twitter uMussolini, lapho ethumela izithombe zezinkanyezi zamaJuda eduze kwenqwaba yemali futhi uhlanganisa lokho nokuphatha kwakhe kwangempela, okubandakanya abantu abasekele ama-neo-Nazi, ngisho nabantu abaphiko lwesokudla ngokwedlulele njengoGlenn Beck sebephumile. futhi wathi uSteve Bannon uyi-neo-Nazi. Ngicabanga ngokweqiniso, futhi angiqondile ukwethusa abantu ukuthi sidinga ukulungiselela okubi kakhulu. Uma uqala ukuzwa ngabo ukwenza ebhukwini amaSulumane; yebo, lokho kufanele kukukhumbuze ukuthi kwakukhona incwadi yokubhalisa yamaJuda. Kukhona isimo sengqondo sokuthi iMelika ihlukile, ukuthi ngeke kwenzeke lapha. Kungenzeka noma yikuphi. Wonke amazwe ayecabanga ukuthi lokhu akusoze kwenzeka, ukuthi abantu bazolunga, ukuthi uhulumeni akasoze abakhaphela kanje, bathola kanzima, ukuthi kungenzeka. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi sibhekane naleli qiniso elethusa kakhulu futhi akulona iphupho, sekuyiqiniso manje njengoba esengumongameli okhethiwe. Ngicabanga ukuthi uzoba namandla okwenza lokhu. Sidinga ukukumisa; kumele simelane. Akuyona indaba yokuhlanganyela kuleli phuzu. Akuyona indaba yokuthola u-Hillary esikhundleni noma okuthile, kodwa ukuyeka unya, ukuyeka izenzo ezigunyazwe, ezinobudlova, ezimelene noMthethosisekelo ezilimaza kakhulu umphakathi waseMelika. Uma lokhu sekuqala, uma ubheka umlando we-fascist wezifunda zombuso, uhamba ngokushesha okukhulu. Kubukeka sengathi yonke into ijwayelekile, bese kungena izinto ezincane bese kuthi uma sezinamandla ziwasebenzise kabi. Ngakho-ke kumele sibheke nezikhungo okumele zikubhekisise lokhu. Isikhungo esifana ne-FBI, esibonakala sisengozini. Sino-Comey okhiphe isitatimende sakhe ngaphambi kokhetho sokuthi kunophenyo ngoClinton wabe esevuma ukuthi lolu phenyo belungadingi kuClinton futhi aluholeli ndawo. Kufanele uzibuze ukuthi kungani enze lokho. Kufanele uzibuze ukuthi kungani i-FBI yahamba kabi ku-Twitter futhi kungazelelwe ezinsukwini ezimbalwa ngaphambi kokhetho, yaqala ukukhulula zonke izinhlobo zamafayela mayelana noClinton bese iphinde ikhiphe ifayela elithopha kakhulu likaFred Trump, uyise kaDonald Trump; embiza nge-philanthropist. Ubaba kaDonald Trump wamangalelwa ngokucwasa ngokobuhlanga futhi wabamba iqhaza esenzweni seKu Klux Klan. Yilolo hlobo lwento i-FBI eyayiphenya ngayo; ngobandlululo lwakhe. Akuyona indlela i-FBI eyethula ngayo. Kubonakala sengathi kunezinhlangothi ezilwayo kwezinye zezikhungo zethu. Ngaphinda ngafunda izifunda zombuso isikhathi eside. Ungabheka izindaba. I-CIA ibhale ku-tweet isithombe ngendlela engaqondakali, ngicabanga ukuthi kwakuyiShayina kaHitler elandelwa i-anecdote encane yomlando mayelana nokusebenzisana kukaHitler namaRussia. Angazi ukuthi ngikuhumushe kanjani ngempela lokhu. I-CIA vele iyindawo lapho benza khona lolu hlobo lwezinto ezicashile ukuze baziphilise, baqeqeshelwe ukubheka kwezinye izifundazwe. Lapho behlaziya inkundla yezokuxhumana kanye nedatha yamanye amazwe, babheka izimpawu ezinjengalezi, njengalokho abantu abakushoyo ngempela. Ngakho-ke ngizwa sengathi ezintweni ezincane ezinjalo, ungabona izikhungo zethu zikhipha uhlobo oluthile lophawu futhi kubalulekile ukuzama ukuhlukanisa ukuthi lolo phawu luyi-SOS, njengohlobo lwesixwayiso noma luthi sizoba nesandla kulokhu. izenzo ngoba ukubheja kwethu okuhle ukumisa lezi zinqubomgomo ezihlasimulisa umzimba ukuthi zivinjelwe izinhlangano ezazisebenzela izwe phambilini. Isibonelo, i-FBI iyona eyawisa lelo qembu lamadoda eKansas, lawo balandeli bakaTrump abathathu ababehlela ukuqhumisa lelo fulethi labantu baseSomalia. Uma bengeke bayeke lezo zenzo, sisenkingeni enkulu. Ngakho-ke kufanele ngempela kube nophenyo lwekhongolose mayelana nokuthi yini ngempela eyenzekayo nokuthi ukhetho luphazanyiswe yini iRussia njengoba kusho uLindsay Grant, njengoba uJohn McCain eshilo futhi njengoba abanye abaningi beshilo, ikakhulukazi uma kubhekwa ubudlelwano bukaTrump neRussia. indima kaPaul Manafort, osize ukuphakamisa omashiqela emhlabeni wonke kodwa ikakhulukazi e-Ukraine ngokubambisana noPutin. Konke lokhu kuzwakala njengenoveli yezinhloli. Ngicabanga ukuthi bekunzima kubantu ukugwinya ukuthi lokhu kungenzeka ngempela kodwa angisoze ngakusho lokhu ngaphandle kokuthi ngiqotho kakhulu. Njengoba ngike ngasho ngaphambili, kade ngafunda lokhu ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi kuyinto okufanele uhulumeni wethu ayiphenye futhi ngizonxusa izakhamizi ukuthi zibize abameleli bazo. Akukhathalekile ukuthi uhlala endaweni eluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka noma ebomvu, vele ushayele ucingo ngoba ufuna uphenyo mayelana nenkohlakalo engase ibe khona kaTrump, ukuphatha kwakhe kanye nalolu khetho futhi ikakhulukazi izithakazelo zakwamanye amazwe nokuthi kwenzekani ngempela ngezikhulu zethu zaseMelika.
UJeff Schechtman: Ekugcineni, uSara, ingabe kukhona okukunikeza isizathu sokuba nethemba? Noma yini ekunikeza isizathu sokuba nethemba, uma sibheka ukuthi sikuphi namuhla?
Sarah Kendzior: Anginalo nakancane ithemba ngalokho abaphathi abazokwenza. Ngiyazi ukuthi izokwenza izinto ezimbi kakhulu. Yini enginika ithemba, futhi ngithanda ukusho ukuthi kufanele sibe pragmatic ngaphambi kokuba sibe nethemba, kufanele sihlanganiswe futhi sihleleke ngaphambi kokuba sibe nethemba kodwa-ke, kufanele ube nethemba enhliziyweni yakho. Ngifunde imibuso eminingi embi emlandweni nanamuhla, futhi ngibona ukuthi lapho abantu behlangana ndawonye futhi benza okulungile futhi bamelela abantu baseMelika abakanye nabo futhi bazimisele ukubhekana nobumnyama obungaphambili futhi basebenze kakhulu, kakhulu. kanzima ukuthi bakwazile ukusindisa izwe labo. Bakwazile ukusindisa abantu bakubo. Bakwazile ukusebenza futhi bayakha kabusha futhi bayenze indawo engcono. I-America ibilokhu isendaweni embi isikhathi eside. Sibe nezimpi ezimbili ezimbi kakhulu. Sike saba nomnotho obhidlikile. Isimo ebesivumela lokhu ukuthi kwenzeke, esavumela uTrump ukuthi athathe izintambo bekungekona nje ukuthi uvele wangena, sengathi sisengozini kulokhu. Ngakho-ke ziningi izinto okumele sizilungise kodwa ngeke sikwazi ukuzilungisa ngaphansi kwalokhu kuphatha. Abantu balokhu bethi linda kuze kube u-2018, linda kuze kube u-2020. Angicabangi ukuthi sinesikhathi esingaka sokuzama ukunciphisa umonakalo azowenza ngoba uzodlulela futhi uzohamba ngokushesha okukhulu. Ngakho ngempela, isikhathi manje. Isikhathi sokubiza abameleli bakho, ukuhlangana nomphakathi wakho, ukubheka umakhelwane wakho futhi ucabange, ulinde ukuthi ungumuntu onjani? Siyizwe elinjani? Kusho ukuthini ukuba umMelika? Kusho ukuthini ukuba isakhamuzi esihle? Kusho ukuthini ukuba i-patriot? Kimina lokho kusho ukuthi niyamelana. Nisebenzelana. Uma uhulumeni wakho enza into oyibona ingahambisani nokuziphatha, ebonakala ingahambisani nomthethosisekelo, uma uhulumeni wakho engaphumeleli, uma ebeka obala, abamhlophe njengamajaji amakhulu, kufanele uthi yebo, lokhu akuvamile. Lokhu akuwona amanani aseMelika bese usuka lapho. Sebenza nemiphakathi yangakini futhi uzame ukuxhumana nabantu kuzwelonke ukuze wabelane ngezinto ezikukhathazayo. Uma ukhathazekile ngakho, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi nonke kufanele nibe. Akuyona ingxenye. Uma ungowaseRiphabhulikhi ulalele lokhu, ungenwa kalula yilezi zinto njengeDemocrat. Akekho ngempela ongavikelekile, ngaphandle kweqembu labacebile nabasekeli abanoTrump. Ngiyanezela lapho ukuthi ukuqoka kwakhe amalungu omndeni wakhe ukuze athole izimvume nokuba yingxenye yabaphathi yinto oyibona emhlabeni wonke kunondlovukayiphikiswa. Kube wuphawu olucacile lokuthi umuntu ophethe akalisebenzeli izwe kodwa usebenzela yena nomndeni wakhe futhi usebenzisa kabi amandla okuphatha ukuze aqongelele ingcebo eyengeziwe. Asisazi isimo sezimali sikaTrump ngoba akakaze akhiphe lezo zincwadi zentela, nakho okwakungakaze kwenzeke. Ngakho-ke zonke lezi yizinto eziphathekayo okufanele uziqaphele.
UJeff Schechtman: Sarah Kendzior, ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokuchitha isikhathi nathi lapha kuRadio WhoWhatWhy.
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