Ìṣàkóso Biden ti yọ̀ǹda èrò títa Ukraine láti bá Rọ́ṣíà sọ̀rọ̀ láti fòpin sí ogun náà, bí ó tilẹ̀ jẹ́ pé ọ̀pọ̀ àwọn aláṣẹ orílẹ̀-èdè Amẹ́ríkà gbà gbọ́ pé kò sí ẹ̀gbẹ́ kan tí “ó lè borí ogun náà ní tààràtà,” ni ìwé agbéròyìnjáde The Washington Post ròyìn. Eyi wa bi ogun ti o wa ni Ukraine han pe o n pọ si ni ọpọlọpọ awọn iwaju, pẹlu Aare Russia Vladimir Putin ti o fi ẹsun Ukraine ti ṣe "igbese apanilaya" ati ifilọlẹ awọn ikọlu ti o tobi julọ lori Ukraine ni awọn osu. Fun diẹ sii lori ogun naa, a sọrọ pẹlu oludasile CodePink Medea Benjamin ati onise iroyin ominira Nicolas Davies, awọn onkọwe ti iwe ti nbọ, “Ogun ni Ukraine: Ṣiṣe Sense ti Rogbodiyan Senseless.” “Awa, ara ilu Amẹrika, ni lati Titari Ile White House ati awọn oludari wa ni Ile asofin ijoba lati pe fun awọn idunadura amuṣiṣẹ ni bayi,” Benjamin sọ.
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Eyi jẹ igbasilẹ atokọ. Daakọ le ma wa ni fọọmu ikẹhin rẹ.
AMY GOODMAN: Awọn Washington Post is iroyin iṣakoso Biden ti yọkuro imọran ti titari Ukraine lati dunadura pẹlu Russia lati pari ogun naa, botilẹjẹpe ọpọlọpọ awọn oṣiṣẹ ijọba AMẸRIKA gbagbọ pe ko si ẹgbẹ kan, agbasọ, “o lagbara lati bori ogun naa taara.”
Eyi wa bi ogun ni Ukraine ṣe dabi pe o n pọ si ni ọpọlọpọ awọn iwaju. Ni Satidee, bugbamu nla kan bajẹ afara bọtini kan ti o so Russia si Crimea, eyiti Moscow fi kun ni ọdun 2014. Alakoso Russia Vladimir Putin fi ẹsun kan Ukraine pe o ṣe ohun ti o pe ni ipanilaya. Lati igbanna, awọn ohun ija Russia ti kọlu lori awọn ilu Ti Ukarain mejila, pẹlu Kyiv ati Lviv, ti o pa o kere ju eniyan 20.
On Tuesday night, President Biden was interviewed by Jake Tapper on CNN.
JAKE TAPPER: Ṣe iwọ yoo fẹ lati pade rẹ ni G20?
Ààrẹ Joe BIDEN: Wo, Emi ko ni ipinnu lati pade pẹlu rẹ, ṣugbọn, fun apẹẹrẹ, ti o ba wa si mi ni G20 o sọ pe, “Mo fẹ lati sọrọ nipa itusilẹ Griner,” Emi yoo pade rẹ. Mo tumọ si, yoo dale. Ṣugbọn Emi ko le fojuinu - wo, a ti gba ipo kan - Mo kan ṣe ipade G7 kan ni owurọ yii - imọran ko si nkankan nipa Ukraine pẹlu Ukraine. Nitorina Emi ko fẹ, tabi ẹnikẹni miiran ti pese sile lati, duna pẹlu Russia nipa wọn gbe ni Ukraine, fifi eyikeyi apakan ti Ukraine, ati be be lo.
AMY GOODMAN: Despite Biden’s comments, there are growing calls for the U.S. to push for negotiations. On Sunday, General Mike Mullen, the former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appeared on ABC Ose yi.
MICHAEL MULLEN: O tun sọrọ si iwulo, Mo ro pe, lati lọ si tabili. Mo ni aniyan diẹ nipa ede, eyiti a jẹ nipa oke, ti o ba fẹ.
MARTHA RADDATZ: Èdè Ààrẹ Biden.
MICHAEL MULLEN: Èdè Ààrẹ Biden. A wa ni oke ti iwọn ede, ti o ba fẹ. Ati pe Mo ro pe a nilo lati ṣe afẹyinti pe diẹ diẹ ati ṣe ohun gbogbo ti a ṣee ṣe lati gbiyanju lati lọ si tabili lati yanju nkan yii.
AMY GOODMAN: A darapọ mọ wa ni bayi nipasẹ awọn alejo meji: Medea Benjamin, oludasile-oludasile ti ẹgbẹ alafia CodePink, ati Nicolas JS Davies. Wọn jẹ awọn onkọwe ti iwe ti nbọ, Ogun ni Ukraine: Ṣiṣe oye ti Rogbodiyan Alailagbara.
Medea, jẹ ki a bẹrẹ pẹlu rẹ ni Washington, DC Mo tumọ si, o wo ni ọsẹ to kọja yii, ojo nla ti awọn misaili ati awọn ikọlu drone nipasẹ awọn ologun Russia kọja Ukraine, ni gbogbo ọna si iwọ-oorun Ukraine, ni awọn aaye bii Lviv ati olu-ilu naa. , Kyiv, ati pe o rii pe Alakoso Putin n halẹ lati lo bombu iparun kan. Ṣe idunadura ṣee ṣe? Kini iyẹn yoo dabi? Ati kini o nilo lati ṣẹlẹ lati ṣaṣeyọri iyẹn?
MEDEA BENJAMIN: Awọn idunadura ko ṣee ṣe nikan, wọn jẹ pataki patapata. Awọn idunadura kan ti wa lori awọn ọran pataki titi di isisiyi, gẹgẹbi ile-iṣẹ iparun Zaporizhzhia, gẹgẹbi gbigba ọkà jade ni Ukraine, gẹgẹbi awọn swaps ẹlẹwọn. Ṣugbọn ko si awọn idunadura lori awọn ọran nla. Ati Antony Blinken, akọwe ti ilu, ko ti pade pẹlu Lavrov. A ṣẹṣẹ gbọ ni agekuru yẹn bii Biden ko ṣe fẹ lati ba Putin sọrọ. Ọna kan ṣoṣo ti ogun yii yoo pari ni nipasẹ awọn idunadura.
Ati pe a ti rii AMẸRIKA gangan awọn idunadura torpedo, ti o bẹrẹ lati awọn igbero ti awọn ara ilu Russia gbe siwaju ṣaaju ki o to igbogunti naa, eyiti AMẸRIKA ti yọkuro ni ṣoki Ati lẹhinna a rii, nigbati ijọba Tọki n ṣalaye awọn ijiroro ni opin Oṣu Kẹta, ni kutukutu Oṣu Kẹta. Oṣu Kẹrin, bawo ni o ṣe jẹ Alakoso UK, Boris Johnson, ati Akowe ti Aabo Austin, ti o dojuru awọn idunadura yẹn.
Nitorinaa, Emi ko ro pe o jẹ ojulowo lati ronu pe iṣẹgun ti o han gbangba yoo wa nipasẹ awọn ara ilu Yukirenia ti yoo ni anfani lati gba gbogbo inch agbegbe pada bi wọn ti n sọ ni bayi, pẹlu Crimea ati gbogbo rẹ. Donbas. Awọn adehun gbọdọ wa ni ẹgbẹ mejeeji. Ati pe awa, ara ilu Amẹrika, ni lati Titari Ile White House ati awọn oludari wa ni Ile asofin ijoba lati pe fun awọn idunadura imuduro ni bayi.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Medea, ṣe o le jẹ pato diẹ sii nipa awọn ijiroro wọnyẹn ti o waye, ti ṣe atilẹyin nipasẹ Tọki ati Israeli paapaa, gẹgẹ bi mo ti ye mi, ni awọn ofin kini ọna ti o pọju siwaju si ceasefire, ti o jẹ torpedoed? Nitoripe ọpọlọpọ awọn ara ilu Amẹrika ko mọ pe ni kutukutu ogun o ṣeeṣe lati ni anfani lati da ija naa duro.
MEDEA BENJAMIN: O dara, bẹẹni, ati pe a lọ sinu awọn alaye nla ninu iwe wa, Ogun ni Ukraine: Ṣiṣe oye ti Rogbodiyan Alailagbara, nipa gangan ohun ti o ṣẹlẹ lẹhinna ati bi imọran naa, ti o wa pẹlu neutrality fun Ukraine, yiyọ kuro ti awọn ọmọ ogun Russia, bawo ni agbegbe Donbas yoo ṣe pada si awọn adehun Minsk, ti ko ni imuse, ati pe o wa ni idaniloju pupọ. esi lati awọn Ukrainians si awọn Russian igbero. Ati lẹhinna a rii Boris Johnson ti o nbọ lati pade Zelensky o si sọ pe, sọ, “Collective West” ko fẹrẹ ṣe adehun pẹlu awọn ara ilu Russia ati pe o wa nibẹ lati ṣe atilẹyin Ukraine ni ija yii. Ati lẹhinna a rii iru ifiranṣẹ kanna ti o nbọ lati ọdọ akọwe aabo, Austin, ti o sọ pe ibi-afẹde ni lati ṣe irẹwẹsi Russia. Nitorina awọn ibi-afẹde ti yipada, ati pe gbogbo adehun naa ti fẹ soke.
And we now see that Zelensky, from once saying that he was accepting neutrality for Ukraine, is now calling for fast-tracking a NATO application for Ukraine. And we then see the Russians, that have also hardened their views by having these — a referendum and then trying to annex these four provinces. So, if that agreement had actually moved forward, I think we would have seen an end to this war. It’s going to be harder now, but it’s still the only way forward.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Ati pe otitọ pe Alakoso Biden tun n ṣe ẹdinwo iṣeeṣe ti awọn ijiroro pẹlu Russia - awọn ti wa ti dagba to lati ranti Ogun Vietnam ni oye pe Amẹrika, lakoko ija ni Ogun Vietnam, lo ọdun marun ni tabili idunadura ni Ilu Paris, laarin 1968 ati 1973, ni awọn ijiroro alafia pẹlu National Liberation Front of Vietnam ati ijọba Vietnamese. Nitorinaa kii ṣe aibikita pe o le ni awọn ijiroro alafia lakoko ti ogun kan tun n lọ. Mo n ṣe iyalẹnu awọn ero rẹ nipa iyẹn.
MEDEA BENJAMIN: Yes, but, Juan, we don’t want to — we don’t want to see these peace talks going on for five years. We want to see peace talks that come to an agreement very soon, because this war is affecting the entire world. We’re seeing a rise in hunger. We’re seeing a rise in the use of dirty energy. We’re seeing a rise and a hardening of militarists throughout the world and increased expenditures on militarism, a strengthening of NATO. And we’re seeing the real possibility of nuclear war. So we can’t afford, as a globe, to allow this to keep going on for years.
Ati pe iyẹn ni idi ti Mo ro pe o ṣe pataki pupọ pe awọn eniyan ti o ni ilọsiwaju ni orilẹ-ede yii mọ pe ko si Democrat kan ti o dibo lodi si package $ 40 bilionu si Ukraine tabi package $ 13 bilionu to ṣẹṣẹ diẹ sii, pe ọran yii ni ibeere gangan nipasẹ ẹtọ, ẹtọ to gaju ni orilẹ-ede yii. O tun n beere lọwọ Donald Trump, ẹniti o sọ pe ti oun ba ti jẹ aarẹ, ogun yii kii yoo ṣẹlẹ. Oun yoo ti ba Putin sọrọ, eyiti o tọ. Nitorinaa, a ni lati kọ agbero alatako kan lati apa osi lati sọ pe a fẹ ki Awọn alagbawi ijọba ijọba olominira ni Ile asofin ijoba darapọ pẹlu eyikeyi awọn Oloṣelu ijọba olominira ti yoo darapọ mọ eyi lati fi titẹ si Biden. Ni bayi olori Caucus Onitẹsiwaju, Pramila Jayapal, n ni akoko lile paapaa gbigba Caucus Ilọsiwaju rẹ lati fowo si lẹta ti o ni iwọntunwọnsi kan ti o sọ pe o yẹ ki a ṣe iranlowo ologun si Ukraine pẹlu titari ijọba ilu kan. Nitorinaa o jẹ iṣẹ wa ni bayi lati ṣẹda ipa gaan fun diplomacy.
AMY GOODMAN: Ni Oṣu Kẹrin, Prime Minister UK Boris Johnson pade pẹlu Alakoso Ti Ukarain Zelensky. O ti royin pe Johnson fi agbara mu Zelensky lati ge awọn idunadura alafia pẹlu Russia. Eyi jẹ Prime Minister lẹhinna Johnson ni ifọrọwanilẹnuwo nipasẹ Awọn iroyin Bloomberg pada ni Oṣu Karun.
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON: Si eyikeyi iru alafojusi ti adehun pẹlu Putin, bawo ni o ṣe le ṣe?
KITTY DONALDSON: Bẹẹni.
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON: Bawo ni o ṣe le ṣe pẹlu ooni nigbati o wa ni aarin ti njẹ ẹsẹ osi rẹ? Ṣe o mọ, kini idunadura naa? Ati pe ohun ti Putin n ṣe niyẹn. Ati eyikeyi iru - o yoo gbiyanju lati di rogbodiyan, o yoo gbiyanju ati ki o pe fun a ceasefire, nigba ti o si maa wa ni ini ti idaran ti awọn ẹya ara ti Ukraine.
KITTY DONALDSON: Ati pe ṣe o sọ iyẹn si Emmanuel Macron?
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON: And I make that point to all my friends and colleagues in the G7 and at NATO. And by the way, everybody gets that. Once you go through the logic, you can see that it’s very, very difficult to get a —
KITTY DONALDSON: Ṣugbọn o gbọdọ fẹ ki ogun yii pari.
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON: — lati gba a idunadura ojutu.
AMY GOODMAN: Mo fe lati mu Nicolas Davies sinu ibaraẹnisọrọ, àjọ-onkowe ti Ogun ni Ukraine: Ṣiṣe oye ti Rogbodiyan Alailagbara. Pataki ti ohun ti Boris Johnson sọ, ati tun awọn igbiyanju ti diẹ ninu awọn ni Ile asofin ijoba lati Titari fun idunadura, o yatọ pupọ si ohun ti Prime Minister ti iṣaaju n sọ ni Ilu Gẹẹsi, bii ọmọ ile igbimọ aṣofin Pramila Jayapal, ẹniti o kọ lẹta ibuwọlu apejọ apejọ kan pe lori Biden lati ṣe awọn igbesẹ lati fopin si ogun Ukraine ni lilo - nipasẹ awọn igbesẹ pupọ, pẹlu ifopinsi idunadura ati awọn adehun aabo tuntun pẹlu Ukraine? Nitorinaa ọmọ ile igbimọ asofin nikan Nydia Velázquez ti fowo si bi onigbowo kan. Nitorina, ti o ba le sọrọ nipa titẹ?
NICOLAS DAVIES: Bẹẹni, daradara, Mo tumọ si, ipa ti ohun ti a n rii ni, ni imunadoko, iru awọn ariyanjiyan ti awọn aifọkanbalẹ. Ti AMẸRIKA ati UK ba fẹ lati ṣe awọn idunadura torpedo nigbati wọn n ṣẹlẹ, ṣugbọn lẹhinna wọn ko fẹ lati - o mọ, wọn fẹ lati lọ sọ fun Zelensky ati Ukraine kini lati ṣe nigbati o jẹ ọran ti pipa. awọn idunadura, ṣugbọn nisisiyi Biden sọ pe oun ko fẹ lati sọ fun wọn lati tun awọn idunadura bẹrẹ. Nitorinaa, o han gedegbe nibiti iyẹn nyorisi, eyiti o jẹ ogun ailopin.
But the truth is that every war ends at the negotiating table. And at the U.N. General Assembly a couple of weeks ago, world leaders, one after the other, stepped up to remind NATO and Russia and Ukraine of that, and that what the U.N. Charter calls for is for the peaceful resolution of conflicts through diplomacy and negotiation. The U.N. Charter does not say that when a country commits aggression, that they should therefore be subjected to an endless war that kills millions of people. That is just “might makes right.”
Nitorinaa, ni otitọ, awọn orilẹ-ede 66 sọrọ ni Apejọ Gbogbogbo ti UN lati tun bẹrẹ awọn idunadura alafia ati awọn idunadura ifopinsi ni kete bi o ti ṣee. Ati pe iyẹn pẹlu, fun apẹẹrẹ, minisita ajeji ti India, ẹniti o sọ pe, “Mo wa - a fi agbara mu wa lati ṣe awọn ẹgbẹ nibi, ṣugbọn a ti han gbangba lati ibẹrẹ pe a wa ni ẹgbẹ alaafia. ” Ati pe eyi ni ohun ti agbaye n pe fun. Awọn orilẹ-ede 66 yẹn pẹlu India ati China, pẹlu awọn ọkẹ àìmọye eniyan. Awọn orilẹ-ede 66 yẹn jẹ aṣoju fun ọpọlọpọ awọn olugbe agbaye. Wọn ti wa ni okeene lati Global South. Awọn eniyan wọn ti n jiya tẹlẹ lati aito ounjẹ ti n bọ lati Ukraine ati Russia. Wọ́n dojú kọ ìfojúsọ́nà ìyàn.
And on top of that, we’re now facing a serious danger of nuclear war. Matthew Bunn, who’s a nuclear weapons expert at Harvard University, told NPR the other day that he estimates a 10 to 20% chance of the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine or over Ukraine. And that was before the incident on the Kerch Strait Bridge and the retaliatory bombing by Russia. So, if both sides just keep escalating, what will Matthew Bunn’s estimate of the chance of nuclear war be in a few months’ time or a year’s time? And Joe Biden himself, at a fundraiser at media mogul James Murdoch’s house, just chatting with his financial backers in front of the press, said he does not believe that either side can use a tactical nuclear weapon without it then escalating to Armageddon.
Ati nitorinaa, a wa. A ti lọ lati ibẹrẹ Kẹrin, nigbati Alakoso Zelensky lọ lori TV ti o sọ fun awọn eniyan rẹ pe ibi-afẹde ni alaafia ati atunṣe igbesi aye deede ni kete bi o ti ṣee ni ilu abinibi wa - a ti lọ lati Zelensky idunadura fun alaafia, aaye 15 kan. Eto alaafia ti o wo pupọ, ti o ni ileri pupọ, si bayi ti nyara - ireti gidi ti lilo awọn ohun ija iparun, pẹlu ewu ti n dide ni gbogbo igba.
Eleyi jẹ o kan ko dara to. Eyi kii ṣe adari oniduro lati Biden tabi Johnson, ati ni bayi Truss, ni UK Johnson sọ, nigbati o lọ si Kyiv ni Oṣu Kẹrin Ọjọ 9th, pe o n sọrọ fun, agbasọ, “Iwọ-oorun apapọ.” Ṣugbọn oṣu kan lẹhinna, Emmanuel Macron ti Faranse ati Olaf Scholz ti Jamani ati Mario Draghi ti Ilu Italia gbogbo awọn ipe tuntun fun awọn idunadura tuntun. O mọ, wọn dabi pe wọn ti nà wọn pada si laini bayi, ṣugbọn, looto, agbaye n nireti fun alaafia ni Ukraine ni bayi.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Ati, Nicolas Davies, ti o ba jẹ bẹ, kilode ti o ri diẹ diẹ ni ọna awọn agbeka alafia ni awọn olugbe ti awọn orilẹ-ede Oorun to ti ni ilọsiwaju ni ipele yii?
NICOLAS DAVIES: O dara, ni otitọ, awọn ifihan alaafia ti o tobi pupọ ati deede wa ni ilu Berlin ati awọn aaye miiran ni ayika Yuroopu. Awọn ifihan ti o tobi julọ ti wa ni UK ju AMẸRIKA lọ Ati pe, o mọ, Mo tumọ si, gbogbo gbese si akọwe-ẹgbẹ mi nibi, Medea, nitori pe o ti n ṣiṣẹ bẹ, lile, pẹlu gbogbo CodePink ati awọn ọmọ ẹgbẹ ti Iṣe Alafia, Awọn Ogbo fun Alaafia ati awọn ajọ alafia miiran ni Amẹrika.
And really, but the public — the public really needs to understand the situation. And, you know, this is why we’ve written this book, to try and give people — it’s a short book, about 200 pages, a basic primer to the people — to give people a clearer understanding of how we got into this crisis, the role of our own government in helping to set the stage for this over the years leading up to it, you know, through NATO expansion and through the events of 2014 in Ukraine and the installation of a government there that, according to a Gallup poll in April 2014, barely 50% of Ukrainians even considered it a legitimate government, and that provoked the secession of Crimea and a civil war in Donbas, you know, that killed 14,000 people by the time the Minsk peace — the Minsk II peace accord was signed a year later. And we have a lot more about all of this in our book, and we really hope people will get a copy and read it and join the peace movement.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Ati, Nicolas, ti MO ba le, Mo fẹ lati mu Medea wa lẹẹkansi. Nigbati on soro ti alaafia, Medea, Igbimọ Ẹbun Nobel Alafia laipẹ funni ni ẹbun Nobel fun ẹgbẹ kan ti awọn ẹgbẹ awujọ ara ilu ni Belarus, Russia ati Ukraine. Ati ni Ukraine, o jẹ Ile-iṣẹ fun Awọn ominira Ilu. O kọ a nkan in Awọn Dream ti o wọpọ ni ọsẹ yii sọrọ nipa atako ti ẹbun yẹn nipasẹ pacifist asiwaju kan ni Ukraine ti o ṣofintoto Ile-iṣẹ fun Awọn ominira Ilu fun gbigba awọn ero ti awọn oluranlọwọ kariaye, bii Ẹka Ipinle ati Ẹbun Orilẹ-ede fun Ijọba tiwantiwa. Ṣe o le ṣe alaye lori iyẹn, ati aini akiyesi ni Iwọ-oorun si awọn irufin ominira ara ilu inu Ukraine?
MEDEA BENJAMIN: O dara, bẹẹni, a n sọ ọrọ atako ogun asiwaju kan, pacifist inu Ukraine ti o sọ pe agbari ti o gba Aami-ẹri Nobel Alafia n tẹle ero ti Iwọ-Oorun, ko pe fun awọn ijiroro alafia ṣugbọn o n pe fun awọn ohun ija diẹ sii, kii ṣe - kii yoo gba laaye fun ijiroro ti irufin awọn ẹtọ eniyan ni ẹgbẹ ti Ukraine ati pe kii yoo ṣe atilẹyin fun awọn ti a lu tabi bibẹẹkọ ti ilokulo nitori ko fẹ lati ja.
Ati nitorinaa, nkan wa ni lati sọ pe Ebun Nobel kan yẹ ki o lọ gaan si awọn ẹgbẹ wọnyẹn ni Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, ti o ṣe atilẹyin awọn alatako ogun. Ati pe, dajudaju, a mọ pe ọpọlọpọ, ọpọlọpọ awọn ẹgbẹẹgbẹrun wọn wa ninu Russia ti wọn ngbiyanju lati sá kuro ni orilẹ-ede naa ati ni akoko lile lati wa ibi aabo, paapaa wiwa si Amẹrika.
Ṣugbọn, Juan, ṣaaju ki a to lọ, Mo kan fẹ lati ṣe atunṣe nkan ti Amy sọ nipa lẹta Pramila Jayapal. O ni awọn ọmọ ẹgbẹ 26 ti Ile asofin ijoba ti o ti fowo si ni bayi, ati pe a tun n titari lati gba diẹ sii ti fowo si i. Nitorinaa, Mo kan fẹ ki awọn eniyan han gbangba pe akoko kan tun wa ni bayi lati pe awọn ọmọ ẹgbẹ ti Ile asofin ijoba ati lati titari wọn lati pe fun diplomacy.
AMY GOODMAN: Iyẹn ṣe pataki pupọ, awọn ọmọ ẹgbẹ 26. Ṣe o lero bi titari kan wa ni Ile asofin ijoba bayi, pe iru iyipada ti ṣiṣan wa? Emi ko mọ wipe ọpọlọpọ awọn ti wole lori. Ati paapaa, nikẹhin, ṣe o ni aniyan nipa ni ọsẹ to kọja yii Putin ti yan olori awọn iṣẹ ologun, Sergei Surovikin, ti a mọ si “Butcher of Syria,” bi “Amágẹdọnì Gbogbogbo,” ni bombu nla yii nipasẹ awọn misaili ati awọn ikọlu drone kọja Ukraine ati iku ti ọpọlọpọ eniyan?
MEDEA BENJAMIN: O dara, dajudaju a ṣe aniyan nipa rẹ. Gbogbo igbiyanju wa ni eyi, kikọ iwe yii - ati pe a ṣe fidio 20-iṣẹju kan - ni lati fi han eniyan ni iparun nla fun awọn eniyan Ti Ukarain ti ogun yii nfa.
Ati ni awọn ofin ti Ile asofin ijoba, a ro pe awọn ọmọ ẹgbẹ 26 jẹ alaafia pupọ, pe o yẹ ki o jẹ gbogbo ọmọ ẹgbẹ ti Ile asofin ijoba. Kini idi ti o jẹ ohun ti o nira lati pe fun awọn idunadura? Lẹta yii ko paapaa sọ ge iranlowo ologun. Nitorinaa a ro pe eyi jẹ nkan ti gbogbo awọn ọmọ ẹgbẹ ti Ile asofin ijoba yẹ ki o ṣe atilẹyin. Ati pe otitọ pe wọn ko jẹ iyalẹnu pupọ ati pe o ṣe afihan gaan pe a ko ni gbigbe ni orilẹ-ede yii ti o lagbara to ni bayi lati yi ṣiṣan naa pada.
Ati awọn ti o ni idi ti a ba lori kan 50-ilu soro tour. A n pe eniyan lati pe wa si agbegbe wọn. A n pe eniyan lati ṣe ayẹyẹ ile, ka iwe naa, fi fidio han. Eyi jẹ aaye iyipada ninu itan. A ti sọrọ nipa agbara ti ogun iparun. O dara, awa ni awọn ti yoo ni lati da duro nipa gbigba awọn aṣoju ti a yan lati ṣe afihan ifẹ wa fun awọn ijiroro alafia lẹsẹkẹsẹ lati pari ija yii, ṣaaju ki a to bẹrẹ ri ogun iparun kan.
AMY GOODMAN: Medea Benjamin, a fẹ lati dupẹ lọwọ rẹ ati Nicolas Davies, awọn akọwe-iwe ti iwe naa Ogun ni Ukraine: Ṣiṣe oye ti Rogbodiyan Alailagbara.
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