Inkulumbuso yase-Bhritane u-Theresa May uye wafumana ubunzima obukhulu ngoLwesine kunyulo olwathi i-Conservative Party yakhe yaphulukana nesininzi ePalamente ngaphantsi kweeveki ezimbini ngaphambi kokuba ilizwe liqalise iingxoxo zokuphuma kwi-European Union. UMay wabiza unyulo olukhawulezileyo kwiminyaka emithathu ngaphambi kwexesha, elindele ukuphumelela igunya elikhulu lokuthethathethana neenkokeli zaseYurophu malunga nemiqathango yento ebizwa ngokuba yiBrexit. Endaweni yoko, ama-Conservatives ashiywe ngaphandle kwesininzi esicacileyo kunye nePalamente ejingayo. Inkokeli yeLabour Party uJeremy Corbyn, obaleke kwiqonga elithi "Kwabaninzi, hayi abambalwa," utshilo iziphumo zonyulo lwangoLwesine zibonisa ukuba abavoti "babunikela umva ubungqongqo." Sidityaniswe nguPaul Mason, umbhali wemihlathi yeThe Guardian, kunye noMehdi Hasan, intatheli ephumelele ibhaso yaseBritane kunye nomsasazi kwi-Al Jazeera IsiNgesi. Ungumququzeleli wenkqubo yodliwano-ndlebe ye-Al Jazeera ethi "UpFront" kunye nomlobi we-Intercept.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Siqala namhlanje umboniso e-United Kingdom, apho iNkulumbuso yase-Bhritane u-Theresa May wafumana ubunzima obukhulu ngoLwesine kunyulo olukhawulezileyo olwathi i-Conservative Party yakhe yaphulukana nesininzi ePalamente ngaphantsi kweeveki ezimbini phambi kokuba ilizwe licwangciselwe ukuqalisa iingxoxo zokuphuma Udibano lwaseyurophu. UMay wabiza unyulo olukhawulezileyo kwiminyaka emithathu ngaphambi kwexesha, elindele ukuphumelela igunya elikhulu lokuthethathethana neenkokeli zaseYurophu malunga nemiqathango yento ebizwa ngokuba yiBrexit. Kodwa unyulo lwangoLwesine endaweni yoko lushiye i-Conservatives ngaphandle kwesininzi esicacileyo kunye nePalamente ejingayo. Kwimizuzu edlulileyo, iNkulumbuso uMay uthe esuka kwi-10 Downing Street ukuba iqela lakhe liza kwenza urhulumente womdibaniso kunye neDemocratic Unionist Party yaseNorthern Ireland.
IXESHA UMPHATHISWA Fumana Therese kwezinye iilwimi UCANZIBE: Eyona nto ifunwa lilizwe ngakumbi kunangaphambili kukuqinisekisa. Kwaye emva kokufumana elona nani likhulu leevoti kunye nelona nani likhulu lezihlalo kunyulo jikelele, kucacile ukuba yi-Conservative kunye ne-Unionist Party kuphela enegunya kunye nokukwazi ukubonelela oko kuqiniseka ngokuyalela isininzi kwiNdlu ye-Commons.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Oku kuza nanjengoko inkokeli yeLabour Party, uJeremy Corbyn, ithe iziphumo zibubungqina bokuba uMay makarhoxe esikhundleni. UCorbyn wabaleka kwiqonga elithi "Kwabaninzi, hayi abambalwa." Uthe iziphumo zolonyulo lwangoLwesine zibonisa abavoti "babunikela umva ubungqongqo."
Amagama omnxeba we Jeremy I-CORBYN: Okwenzekileyo kukuba abantu bathe banexesha elaneleyo lezopolitiko, banenkcitho ngokwaneleyo yokunciphisa inkcitho kawonke-wonke, ukungaxhaswa ngemali kwenkonzo yethu yezempilo, ukungaxhaswa ngemali kwezikolo zethu kunye nenkonzo yethu yemfundo kwaye benganiki ulutsha lwethu ithuba olubafaneleyo. kuluntu lwethu.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngasekupheleni kwephulo lonyulo, iBritane yabethwa zihlaselo ezimbini zomkhosi ezifunwayo ISIS eyabulala abantu abangama-30 eManchester naseLondon. Utshintsho lokugxila kwimiba yokhuseleko lwamlimaza uMeyi ngokuyinxenye kuba wayejonge ukucuthwa kwenani lamapolisa ngexesha lendima yakhe yangaphambili njengomphathiswa wezangaphakathi.
Njengoko uninzi lwepalamente yeConservative Party isusiwe, uMay kulindeleke ukuba ajike kwiNorthern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party ukuze amnike inani lezihlalo ezifunekayo kuninzi olumxinwa olusebenzayo. Udibana nokumkanikazi ngale ntsasa.
Ngaphezulu, siya kwiindwendwe ezimbini. EWashington, D.C., sidityaniswe nguMehdi Hasan, intatheli yaseBritane ephumelele ibhaso kunye nomsasazi eAl Jazeera IsiNgesi. Ungumamkeli wenkqubo Phezulu kunye nombhali wemihlathi Ukuthintela. Ungumbhali we U-Ed: I-Milibands kunye nokwenza iNkokeli yezaBasebenzi kwaye Ukulahlekiswa kweTyala: Ukubhentsisa iiNtsomi eziliShumi malunga naMatyala, iintsilelo kunye nokuNcitshiswa kwenkcitho. Kwaye sisuka eLondon, sidityaniswe nguPaul Mason, umbhali wemihlathi Guardian, umenzi wefilimu ozinze eLondon. Incwadi yakhe yamva nje, I-Postcapitalism: Isikhokelo kwiKamva Lethu.
Siyanamkela nobabini Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Kodwa kuqala sibhenela eWashington, D.C., kuMehdi Hasan. Ukuthatha kwakho into esanda kwenzeka eBritani?
MEHDI HAMANI: Ndicinga ukuba lihlazo elipheleleyo kwinkulumbuso yase-United Kingdom, uTheresa May. U-Amy, wayenamanqaku angama-25 akhokelayo xa eli phulo laliqala, kwaye waligqiba ngePalamente ejingayo, ephulukene nezihlalo ePalamente, ngokuchasene nenkokeli yezaBasebenzi, uJeremy Corbyn, onyuse isabelo sevoti yaBasebenzi ngowona mda mkhulu ukusukela oko, cinga, 1945. Ke, ziindaba ezimbi kakhulu kuye. Ube yinkulumbuso ixesha elingaphantsi konyaka. Uza kuphila ixesha elingakanani na, asazi, kuba iQela leTory alibathandi abantu abalahlekileyo. Kwaye ookrebe sele benuka igazi ngaphakathi kwiqela lakhe kwaye sele bejikeleza. Kuya kubakho uhlaselo kubunkokeli bakhe, ndiqinisekile, kungekudala.
Kwaye malunga norhulumente wakhe, ndithetha ukuthi, Amy, ukhankanye le mbumba kunye I-DUP, Umhlobo wam u-Owen Jones kwi-Twitter ngale ntsasa wabiza iphiko lezopolitiko ngekhulu le-18-ndiyathetha, iqela eliphendula ngokunzulu kunye neqela elikhulu elinamaqhina kuzo zonke iintlobo zee-paramilitaries. Isigqebelo sokuseka urhulumente wobumbano kunye nabo, xa wayeqhuba iphulo apho wayephinda-phinda kudliwano-ndlebe ngalunye, kuzo zonke iintetho, ukuba uza kuzisa urhulumente oqinileyo nozinzileyo-kwaye into yokugqibela ayinike i-U.K. ngale ntsasa yomelele. kunye norhulumente ozinzileyo. Kulihlazo kuye, kwaye mhlawumbi sisiphelo somsebenzi wakhe wezopolitiko.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Paul Mason, ulapho eLondon. Inkulumbuso isandula ukuthetha ukusuka kwi-10 Downing Street. Cacisa okwenzekayo ngoku.
UPAWULOS INKOSI: Ke, inkulumbuso, uTheresa May, akufuneki ukuba abize olu nyulo. Wayibiza. Kwaye endaweni yokufumana isininzi esongezelelekileyo esiya kumnceda ukuba adlule kwinkqubo yakhe yowiso-mthetho kwaye oku kubizwa ngokuba yikhefu elinzima neYurophu, iBrexit enzima, wasilela ngokupheleleyo. Uphulukene nezihlalo ezininzi kunezo azifumeneyo. Kwaye kwafuneka ukuba aye kolu manyano nalo, uyazi, iphiko lasekunene, leqela lenkolo.
Kwaye nokuba izinzile okanye ayizinzile, isusa esinye sezikhundla zakhe eziphambili zothethathethwano. Ndiyathetha, i-arcane encinci kubabukeli baseMelika, kodwa eli qela eMntla Ireland lifuna ukuba kungabikho mda phakathi kweNorthern Ireland kunye neRiphabhliki yaseIreland emva kweBrexit. Kodwa ukwenza oko, kufuneka ube nesivumelwano. Ngoku, isikhundla sikaTheresa May sokuxoxisana sithembele kwisongelo sokuhamba ngaphandle kwesivumelwano. Ke, ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, ayikwazi ukwenza oko. Sisongelo esingenamsebenzi. Kwaye amaqabane aseYurophu, amanye amazwe angama-27, ayayiqonda ngokupheleleyo le nto. Ngoko uye wasenza buthathaka ngokupheleleyo esakhe isikhundla.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngaba sisivumelwano esenziweyo ukuba aseke umanyano kunye neqela laseMantla eIreland, iDemocratic-
UPAWULOS INKOSI: Umbutho womanyano.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: -Iqela leDemocratic Unionist? Kwaye uchaze kanye ukuba yintoni eli qela.
UPAWULOS INKOSI: KuMntla Ireland, ubuneminyaka engama-20 yemfazwe yamakhaya yonqulo, nobuzwe nxamnyeโubuzwe baseIreland nxamnye nomanyano. Babekwicala lomanyano, icala elathumela imikhosi, inani elikhulu lemikhosi, ukucinezela ukunyuka kwesizwe. Ngoku, iingcambu zabo zikumba womgaqo-siseko waloo nto. Kodwa baninzi abantu ababandakanyekayo kwelo qela ngoku abanemvelaphi kumzabalazo wezigalo kwicala laseBritane, kanye njengokuba uSinn Fรฉin, umbutho wama-Irish nationalist, unemvelaphi kumzabalazo wezigalo kwelinye icala. Liqela elinzulu ngokwenkolo, nelibambelele kwimithetho engqongqo. Kuchasene nokuqhomfa. Ngamalungelo achasene nabasetyhini. Ngamalungelo achasene nama-gay. Ifuna ukuvala iivenkile ngeCawe. Kuya kuba kuhle ekhaya kwindibano kaDonald Trump ngendlela uTheresa May angayi kuba.
Kwaye yi-khumbula, sinentsalela yokhuphiswano lwezenkolo apha kwizixeko ezininzi zaseBritane apho kukho uluntu lwaseIreland. Ke ukukhetha icala elinye kungquzulwano lwaseMantla eIreland kwaye ubabeke kurhulumente uza kudlala kakubi kakhulu, hayi nje kwelinye lamaqabane ethu orhwebo aphambili, eSouthern Ireland, kodwa nakwizixeko zaseBritane, njengeLiverpool neGlasgow. Ngoko sisenzo sokuphelelwa lithemba. Kwaye sisenzo sokuphelelwa lithemba esizalwe kukungaphumeleli kwesicwangciso sohlobo olufanele ukuba lo mfazi ucoca iibhegi zakhe kwi-10 Downing Street ngoku.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kuthetha ukuthini oku-Mehdi Hasan, kuthetha ukuthini oku ngeBrexit, ukuba iBritane ishiye i-European Union?
MEHDI HAMANI: Kuthetha ukuba-sasele siphaphazela singaboni xa sifika kwiBrexit. Ndiyathetha, uTheresa May kunye norhulumente wakhe babedume ngokuthi, "i-Brexit ithetha i-Brexit," xa bebuza-xa babuzwa ukuba yintoni iqhinga labo. Kwaye ngoku uya kuthethathethwano, ndiyacinga, nge-10, iintsuku ezili-11 kunye namaqabane aseYurophu, oorhulumente baseYurophu, abaziyo ukuba ayilo nenekazi lentsimbi azenzele lona. Ayinguye uMargaret Thatcher ozalwe ngokutsha oza kuba, uyazi, ahambe phezu kwabo, ukuba wayekhe ayenze. Bayazi ngokuqinisekileyo ngoku ukuba uluhlobo lwenqanawa engenanto, engenanto, ethethe umdlalo olungileyo kodwa akakwazanga nokuphumelela kunyulo lwelizwe lakhe ngokuchasene nomchasi owayecingelwa ukuba ungaphantsi kakhulu, umnqolobi. -uMarxist onothando, ongathandwayo. Kwaye umbono ngoku wokuba uza kunyuka ngokuchasene noMerkel kunye noMacron kwaye eze nohlobo oluthile lwesivumelwano apho iBrits yoyisa kwaye abantu baseYurophu bangamaxhoba abukho ngqiqweni.
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba le yingxaki ngengxoxo-mpikiswano yaseBhritane kunye neendaba zaseBritane, kukuba, uyazi, sinemithombo yeendaba esekunene e-UK enika ukhuselo kwiinkokeli ezingathathi ntweni nezingakwaziyo. Kwenzeka kunye noDavid Cameron, apho waphathwa njengengcali enkulu yezopolitiko. Kwaye khangela ukuba kwenzeka ntoni ngaye. Kwaye ngoku uTheresa May, kwisithuba esingangonyaka ethabathe isikhundla-saxelelwa ukuba wayenguMargaret Thatcher omtsha. Kwakukho intetho yokuba kuzakubakho ulawulo lweTory yase-U.K. iminyaka engama-20, engama-30, engama-40. Kwaye silapha ngoku kunye neeTories ezingakwaziyo ukuphumelela uninzi, ngoku-kunyanzelwa ukwenza umfelandawonye nalo mbutho ugabadeleyo.
Kwaye nje kwi I-DUP, Amy, inqaku elinye elikhawulezayo. Kuyamangalisa ukuba uAmy-kuyamangalisa ukuba uTheresa May waqhuba iphulo apho watyhola uJeremy Corbyn ngokusebenza ngokubambisana nabanqolobi, umxhasi we IRA, yeHamas, yaseHezbhola. Ngoku uza kumdibaniso neqela elisabotshelelwe kumaqela athembekileyo kwi-paramilitary kunye namaqela abagrogrisi eMntla Ireland. Indlela ehlekisa ngayo. Luhanahaniso olunjani, abanye basenokuthi.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ndifuna ukuthetha malunga nokuba oku kumshiya phi uJeremy Corbyn, uPaul Mason. Inkokeli yezabasebenzi yaseBhritane iphakamise ukuba iziphumo zonyulo zibonisa ukukhatywa kwamaza oluntu asekunene agqugqisa iYurophu namhlanje.
Amagama omnxeba we Jeremy I-CORBYN: Ukuthatha inxaxheba kolu lonyulo ngabaninzi abangazange bathathe inxaxheba kunyulo ngaphambili kubonisa ukuzimisela ukwenza into eyahlukileyo kakhulu kweli lizwe kwaye bathathe isimo esahlukileyo kwihlabathi liphela.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Nangona uvoto lubonise ukuba yayiza kuba yintshatsheli kaTheresa May, ngasekupheleni kobusuku kwabonakala ngathi, kulungile, kunokwenzeka ukuba uJeremy Corbyn angaba yinkulumbuso. Thetha ngendawo akhoyo ngoku, iqonga awabalekela kulo, uPawulos. Kwaye ngaba angaba yinkulumbuso ngokukhawuleza?
UPAWULOS INKOSI: Unokuba yinkulumbuso ngokuโekwindla, ekwindla. Xa siqala, kwiiveki ezintandathu ezidlulileyo, sasivotela iipesenti ezingama-24, kwaye i-Conservatives ivotelwe kufutshane ne-50. Isiphumo sangempela phezolo, sivotele iipesenti ezingama-40, kwaye i-Conservatives ivotele i-43. Songeza iivoti ezizigidi ezi-3 kwi-9 yezigidi sele waba. Zazithini ezo voti? Ewe, kunyulo lokugqibela, kwiminyaka emibini edlulileyo, ikota yabantu abatsha abangaphantsi kweminyaka engama-24 baye bavota. Phezolo ibingama-72 ekhulwini. Kodwa kwakungenjalo nje. UCorbyn uye wahlanganisa abasebenzi abamhlophe ababefudula becinga ngokulondoloza. Sicinga ukuba besifumana ubuncinane isithathu, mhlawumbi ngaphezulu, abantu betshintsha ukusuka kwi-alt-right ukuya eCorbyn, iintsapho zabasebenzi abafumana imivuzo ephantsi kakhulu aba-uyazi, zonke ezi zinto zoyikiso bezijoliswe kubo, kodwa babona uCorbyn ebanika okuthile: ithemba, ngokubanzi, kunye nemali, ngokukodwa, iimbiza ezipheleleyo zemali ezithathwe kwizityebi, ngeerhafu zobutyebi kunye nerhafu yengeniso, kwaye inikwe kubo.
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba xa ababukeli bakho bezibuza-uyazi, kukho le mpikiswano: uBernie ngephumelele eMelika. Ewe, asazi ukuba yinyani na leyo, kodwa siyayazi ukuba wayenokuphumelela njani ngokujonga into eyenziwe nguCorbyn, kuba wayekhwele igagasi lolangazelelo, wenza le mvakalelo ibalaseleyo yokuba kunokwenzeka yakhula kwaye yakhula. Kodwa uya kuyibona imifanekiso yeendibano ezinkulu awayethetha ngazo. Phezolo bekukho izitrato eLondon apho bekukho abakhankasi abaninzi benkqonkqoza ezicangweni, bekubonakala ngathi kukho ukuphazamiseka. Kwaba ngathi kukho abantu abaninzi ezitratweni, abantu babevula iingcango zabo, besithi, โHeyi, kuqhubeka ntoni?โ Kwaye babesithi, "Sikhankasela uJeremy."
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ibhlogi edumileyo yaseBritane uRichard Seymour ubhale kwi-tweet, โKhawufane ucinge ukuba oogxa bakaCorbyn basepalamente bebengakhange baphinde bamgebe ngasemva iminyaka emibini. Khawufanโ ucinge ukuba inokuba yintoni le nto.โ Ngaba uyavumelana noku, Paul Mason?
UPAWULOS INKOSI: Akunjalo nje, kuba, ngokuqinisekileyo, ndicinga ukuba isibini kwisithathu samalungu ePalamente yezaBasebenzi babenombono opheleleyo wokudlula kunye nokungaphumeleli. Babengaqondi ukuba oku kunokwenzeka. Kwaye bacinga kuphela-uyazi, ngenene nangengqiqo, kubo-ukuba ipolitiki yasekhohlo ithetha ukuba wedwa kunye nokuncipha kwevoti yakho. Siye sangqina ngoku ukuba asiyonyani leyo. Ke, ndithanda ukuvumela izinto ezadlulayo, kwaye ndifuna ukuzama ngokwenene ukubabandakanya kwindibano eyakhayo yento abayikholelwayo kunye nendlela abafuna ukusebenza ngayo kunye nendlela thina, baxhasi bakaCorbyn kunye nentshukumo ekhawulezayo, ufuna ukusebenza.
Ukwenza umzekelo obambekayo, sathumela amaqela abakhankasi, kwaye abanye babo baqeqeshwa ngabantu abavela kwiphulo likaSanders abaze apha-sibathumele kwiindawo ezimbini zovoto, iindawo ezimbini zokuvota, apho i-HQ yombutho yathi ayinakuphumelela. Kwaye bazama ukubajikisa. Bathe, "Yiya kwiindawo esifuna ukuphumelela kuzo, hayi ezi ndawo ziphambeneyo." Sabaphumelela bobabini. Ngamanye amazwi, thina, ndicinga ukuba, siyakwazi ngoku ukukhuthaza oogxa bethu kwiziko kunye nasekunene kweQela lezaBasebenzi, kwaye njengoko ndicinga ukuba iiDemokhrasi-uyazi, ekhohlo leDemokhrasi kuya kufuneka babandakanye oogxa babo be-centrist. , ngezenzo, ngokubonisa ukuba kunokwenziwa.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yaye okokugqibela, Mehdi Hasan, uyintatheli yaseBritani, kodwa ngoku uhlala eWashington, D.C. Ngaba uyakubona ukufana noko kwenzeka eBritaniโuTheresa May omnye weenkokeli zehlabathi zokuqala eze kudibana eUnited States kunye noTrump-kwezopolitiko apha?
MEHDI HAMANI: Ewe, kwiTrump-kwi-angle yeTrump, inika umdla into yokuba wavuma kakhulu uMarine Le Pen, kwaye watshatyalaliswa, kwaye wadibana noTheresa May, kwaye akenzanga kakuhle. Ke, uyazi, kukho i-kukho ithamsanqa likaTrump.
Ngokwenyani-ndicinga ukuba uPawulos ulungile ukuba athethe ngombono onokwenzeka kumacala omabini eAtlantiki. Kwaye uBernie Sanders ngale ntsasa uye wancoma uJeremy Corbyn, kwaye ngokufanelekileyo, nangona uBernie kunye nephiko likaBernie leDemocratic Party lijongene nokuchasana kakhulu ngaphakathi ukusuka kwi-centrists-kwaye sabona ukuba kugqatso lwe-DNC-kunoJeremy Corbyn. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba uPawulos unyanisile ukuthi, uyazi, izinto ezidlulileyo azikho. Ukuba uya kumajelo eendaba ezentlalo ngoku, uya kubona uninzi lwabalandeli bakaBlair kunye namaLungu ePalamente aBasebenzi besithi, โUyazi ntoni? Siyifumene kakubi. Simjongele phantsi uJeremy Corbyn. Sothukile sesi siphumo.โ Kwaye, uyazi, owayesakuba imbangi yakhe, u-Owen Smith, owabaleka ngokuchasene noJeremy Corbyn kunyaka ophelileyo kubunkokeli, uthi, โNdifuna ukumonga. Kukho into ekufuneka siyikhuphe ngalo mfana."
Ke, uyazi, kuzakuqala ukutshintshwa kwenkangeleko yomhlaba apha, ndiyacinga, eyona nto ibalulekileyo. Kwaye, uyazi, uJeremy Corbyn wabaleka kwiqonga lokutshintsha iindlela zikaloliwe, enyusa owona mvuzo uphantsi, erhafisa izityebi-wafumana iipesenti ezingama-40 zevoti. Eso sabelo esikhulu sevoti, uAmy, kuneenkokeli ezintathu zokugqibela zaBasebenzi kunyulo lwezaBasebenzi ezintathu ezidlulileyo. Yimpumelelo emangalisayo leyo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ewe, siza kuyishiya apho okwangoku, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo siya kuqhubeka nokulandela eli bali njengoko liqhubeka. Mehdi Hasan, siyakucela ukuba uhlale nathi, njengoko uya kusijoyina kwi-Comey roundtable, ubungqina obuqhumayo kwi-Senate izolo. UMehdi Hasan yintatheli yaseBritane ene-Al Jazeera IsiNgesi kunye Ukuthintela. UPaul Mason, ophuma nathi eBritani, waseLondon, umbhali wemihlathi Guardian kunye nomenzi wefilimu, ngokunjalo.
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