Ngelixa u-2020 enethemba lokuba uElizabeth Warren kunye noBernie Sanders bahlala behambelana nomgaqo-nkqubo wemozulu kwiholo yedolophu yeCNN yemozulu embi ngolwe-Lwesithathu ngokuhlwa, abaviwa baye baphambuka kumbuzo wokwenziwa kweenkonzo zoluntu. UBernie ngowesindululo, ngelixa uWarren echasene. Sithetha nentatheli uKate Aronoff.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Ewe, makhe sijike kwilungu labaphulaphuli elibuza uSenator u-Elizabeth Warren.
ROBERT YOKWENZA: UBernie Sanders uye wavuma umbono wobunini bezinto eziluncedo eluntwini, esithi asinakukwazi ukuyicombulula ngokwaneleyo le ngxaki ngaphandle kokususa injongo yenzuzo ekusasazweni kweemfuno ezibalulekileyo njengamandla. Njengomongameli, ungavuma ukubiza ubungxowankulu ngale ndlela kwaye ukhuthaze ubunini boluntu lwezixhobo zethu eziluncedo?
SEN. UELIZABETH WARREN: Gosh, uyazi, andiqinisekanga ukuba yiloo nto ekusa kwisisombululo. Ndikulungele ngokupheleleyo ukuthatha iinkampani ezinkulu. Ndicinga ukuba ndiyaziwa ukwenza oko kanye okanye kabini. Kodwa, kum, ndicinga indlela esifika ngayo sithi, โUxolo, bafethu, kodwa ngo-2035, nigqibile. Awuzukusebenzisa ezinye izibaso ezisekwe kwikhabhoni, โoku kusizisa kwindawo elungileyo. Kwaye ukuba umntu ufuna ukwenza inzuzo ngokwakha iipaneli zelanga ezingcono kunye nokuvelisa ukugcinwa kwebhetri engcono, andiyichasanga loo nto. Into endiyichasayo kuxa beyenza ngendlela ekhathaza wonke umntu. Akufanele ukwazi ukwenza ngaphandle kwezi ndleko. Leyo yingxaki ngamafutha efosili ngoku.
Ndicinga ukuba eyona ndlela siya phambili apha kukuvula amathuba. Sivula amathuba. Sityala imali kwisayensi. Sityala imali kwimveliso. Sityala imali kwiziqwenga ezisivumela ukuba sakhe ikamva kunye ukuya phambili. Kodwa ewe, ndifuna ukucaca: Kufuneka sibe nemithetho enzima esizimisele ukuyithobela. Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba kufuneka sizimisele ukulwa nala mashishini makhulu. Kwaye kulapho yonke into iqala khona kum. Sibabeka ezinyaweni zabo, emva koko sinethuba lokwenene lokwenza utshintsho ekufuneka silwenzile.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ke, nguSenator u-Elizabeth Warren ephendula umbuzo wombhali kunye nomququzeleli wemozulu ovela eBrooklyn, uRobert Wood, kwidolophu yentlekele yemozulu iHolo ngoLwesithathu ebusuku. Ke, Kate, ungaphendula kwisikhundla sikaWarren kubunini bezinto eziluncedo kuluntu kunye nesikhundla sikaSanders, kunye nenyaniso yokuba phambi kwale holo yedolophu iGreenpeace yabeka bonke abagqatswa, kwaye uSanders weza kuqala, elandelwa nguWarren? Ngaba uyavumelana nolo vavanyo, kwaye ucinga ukuba ingxoxo yeholo yedolophu ikuqinisekisile oko?
KATE ARONOFF: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba ilungile loo nto. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yintoni, uyazi, phezolo eqinisekisiweyo yile - ukuba ibingacacanga ngaphambili, kukuba uSanders kunye noWarren ngenene ngabagqatswa bemozulu abaphezulu kolu gqatso. Banezona zicwangciso zinzulu zokujongana nale ngxaki. Bakwabonakala bekhululekile ukuthetha ngayo ngaphezu kwakhe nabani na ongomnye eqongeni.
Kwaye ke, ndiyathetha, elo xesha lokuthetha ngobunini boluntu linomdla ngokwenene, kuba zombini izicwangciso zikaSanders kunye neWarren zinamabhongo amakhulu, kwaye ndicinga ukuba zibonisa uhlobo lomahluko ophambili phakathi kwabo, akunjalo? Ke, uyazi, isicwangciso sikaSanders sifuna ukwandiswa okukhulu kobunini bamandla oluntu, nto leyo, ewe, sele ixhaphake kakhulu e-US. Sele sinezixhobo ezininzi zoluntu apha. Kwaye uhlobo lwento ayichongayo kukuba, uyazi, ukuba nezi zixhobo, ezinokuchitha imali eninzi yohlobo lokungcolisa inkqubo yezopolitiko, njengoko besenza rhoqo, bekwazi ukukhupha inzuzo endaweni yokutyala imali kwizinto ezifana nokhuseleko kunye nokhuseleko. Iziseko ezingundoqo kunye nokuhlaziywa, oko kungumngeni kolu tshintsho, ngelixa ndicinga ukuba uWarren, kwinto ayichazayo apha, kukuba ufuna ukuseta uhlobo lwebala lokudlala. Ufuna ukuseka imithetho nemimiselo eyomeleleyo apho ezi nkampani zinokusebenza khona.
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba ingxaki, endiya kuxoxa ngayo nale ayithethileyo, ayikukuba ezi nkampani zenza umonakalo kuba zivunyelwe ukwenza izinto zangaphandle kwihlabathi ezingarhafiswa ngokufanelekileyo okanye azikho. imithetho kunye nemimiselo eyiyo ekhoyo; kukuba banemodeli yeshishini eneneni engahambelaniyo nokusombulula le ngxaki. Yonke imodeli yeshishini labo kukufumana kunye nokugrumba kunye nokuthengisa amafutha efosili amaninzi. Kwaye akukho bungqina bubambekayo bokuba sele beza kuyitshintsha loo nto.
Kwaye ke, uyazi, ndicinga ukuba lo luhlobo lombuzo omkhulu kuye wonke umgqatswa kolu gqatso, ngulo: Lithini ikamva loshishino lwefosili? Kwaye ndiyacinga, uyazi, ukushiya ukhetho loluntu, ngokusisiseko, ngaphandle kwetafile, nokuba yeyoncedo okanye iinkampani zamafutha efosili, andicingi ukuba luhlobo lokhetho esinalo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba isicwangciso sikaSanders sikwenza intonga, eneneni, kwizinto eziluncedo ukutsho oko, uyazi, singakuzisa phantsi kobunini boluntu. Kunokubakho-zikho ezinye iindlela zokwenza oku ezingabandakanyi injongo yakho yenzuzo. Kwaye ke, ndicinga ukuba uSanders uphakamisa lo nto.
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