UHarvey Wasserman kwindlela esiza kusinda ngayo kwaye siphumelele
UDavid Swanson
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UDAVID SWANSON: Ndithetha noHarvey Wasserman, umlweli wexesha elide omangalisayo, umbhali, umbhali phakathi kwezinye iincwadi ezimangalisayo ze "Solartopia," kunye noHarvey, ubundithumelela i-imeyile izolo kancinane malunga namabali okuphumelela. Ngaba uyafuna ukucacisa?
UHARVEY WASSERMAN: Ewe, xa sasiqala umbutho ochasene nenyukliya ngo-1973, kwaye yayingesithi sodwa, kwakukho intshukumo echasene nenyukliya. Kubekho amabali amathathu ayimpumelelo e-US endiwaziyo ngeminyaka yoo-60s apho ii-reactors zaye zamiswa okanye zashukunyiswa. Enye yayise-Humboldt County, eCalifornia apho baye baqhubeka khona, baqala ukwakha isityalo senyukliya kwaye bafumanisa ukuba yayilungile kwimpazamo yenyikima, ngoko ke bemba lo mngxuma kwaye ndiyaqikelela, khange ndiyibone, kodwa ndiyaqikelela ukuba impazamo. kwakubonakala. Loo nto ishiywe, ngoko bekuya kubakho enye kwimpuma Oregon, kwintlango inxalenye Oregon kunye City of Eugene waba neqabane, yaye bakhupha, ngokusekelwe mvukelo yabemi. Kwakuza kubakho nenye eRavenswood, eQueens, kanye embindini weSixeko saseNew York! Kwaye lowo, kwakukho indoda enkulu egama linguLarry Bogart owancedisa ekulweni oko, kodwa lowo wafuduselwa nje waya e-Indian Point, yaba yi-Indian Point.
Ke, bekukhoโฆ bekukho iincwadi ezimbalwa malunga nezinto ezichasene nenyukliya, kodwa ngo-'73, bendihlala kwifama edityanelweyo eMontague, eMassachusetts, ekwiimayile ezingama-90 ngasentshona yeBoston kunye ne-180 kakhulu ngasemantla. yesiXeko saseNew York kunye nezinto eziluncedo zasekhaya zangena kwaye zathi ziza kwakha isityalo senyukliya, izixhobo ezimbini zombane, ii-reactors ezimbini ezinkulu kwiikhilomitha ezine ukusuka kwindlu yethu. Kwaye ngokwesiseko sathi hayi, asizukuyivumela le nto ukuba yenzeke, sabona ukuba bapapasha umfanekiso, uguqulelo lomzobi wesityalo senyukliya esibekwe kwindawo ababefuna ukuyenza kwaye, uyazi, yayiluhlobo oluthile. njengento yethuku xa sayibona le nto, sathi nje, uyazi, asizukwenza oku. Yayiyifama edityanelweyo kwaye asizange sihlale phantsi saze saba nentlanganiso! Kwaye saxoxa ukuba siza kuyichasa na le nto okanye hayi, yayiyinto nje yemvelo, thina nje, wonke umntu wacinga ukuba siza kuyilwa, kwaye saqala ukulwa nayo.
Ndenze okuninzi kokubhala kwaye ngandlel 'ithile ibinzana elithi "akukho nukes" leza ngomatshini wam wokuchwetheza kwaye yayiyinto entle ecacileyo yokwenza, into ecacileyo enokuthi ithethwe, kodwa yindlela yonke loo nto eyenzekayo, kwaye siye saboyisa. Abazange bazifake iibulldozers, eneneni, sigcine indawo kwaye izinto zaqala apho. Ngokobuchwephesha, bendiyipro nuclear ukusukela ngo-1959, ibingunyaka webar mitzvah yam ndaze ndafumana incwadi ethi โAtom Yethu Yobuhloboโ nguWalt Disney (uDavid uyahleka). Emva koko ndenze ingxelo, ndasebenzisa loo nto kwingxelo kwibanga lesithoba, ngoko ke ndazi yonke into malunga namandla enyukliya ngelo xesha (chuckle). Kwakuyi-karma ehlekisayo ngokwenene ukuba oko kwenzeka ngenxa yokuba, ukuba wawundibuze phakathi kwe-1959 kunye ne-1973 malunga namandla enyukliya, ndandiza kukuxelela 'ngokuqinisekileyo, kukhulu, kuyamangalisa.' Kodwa xa ndijongene nenyani, kwaye yayingeyonto endandiyicinga ngayo yonke loo minyaka, kodwa xa sijongene nenyani, savele sathi heyi, oku kuyahlekisa. Ngaba uphando oluninzi olusisiseko malunga nalo kwaye akukho nto ngaphambili, masibone, '73 ke yintoni leyo, iminyaka engama-38, akukho nto kwiminyaka engama-38 edlulileyo indinike naliphi na ikhefu lokufuna ukutshintsha ingqondo yam malunga nenyukliya-yonke into endinayo. esiyibonileyo ngayo iyenze yabonakala imbi ngakumbi kunokuba besicinga ekuqaleni. (UDavide uqalisa ukuthetha) Ewe, uxolo, qhubeka.
UDAVIDE SWANSON: Ke makhe ndidlale ummeli kasathana, uHarvey, nali ibali lempumelelo, uzifundise, wafunda malunga neenukes, nantsi amabali empumelelo aliqela, bazama ukubeka izityalo ze-nuke kwiidolophu apho kukho nokuba kukho okanye kwavela i-activism yoluntu elungileyo, kwaye boyiswa, kodwa baya bazibeka ezo zityalo kwezinye iidolophu.
UHARVEY WASSERMAN: Ayizizo zonke, leyo iseOregon ibingabekwanga nyani. Emva kwexesha elide safumana iTrojan, kwaye ndiyaqikelela ukuba le iseHumboldt, engazange ijike ibe yinto eninzi, ayinxulumananga neDiablo Canyon. Ewe, eyaseNew York yafuduswa. Ewe, ingongoma kukuba ngo-1974, emva nje kokuba siqalise, i-embargo yeoli yase-Arab yenzeka kwaye uRichard Nixon wangena kwiindaba, kwi-TV yelizwe kwaye wathi kuya kubakho iwaka le-nukes ngonyaka we-2000. Kwaye sinomfanekiso. , ikwimuvi esiyenzileyo. Siwubonile unyaka we-2000, bekukho i-104, ngoko ke ndaweni ithile ecaleni komgca we-896 nukes walahleka. Umlo osisiseko, ngokwenene, kunye nomfanekiso omkhulu kukuba ishishini lalifuna ukufumana inkxaso-mali karhulumente, uyazi, isigqibo esisisiseko esenziwe eFransi, ngaba urhulumente wayeza kuxhasa ngemali le nto okanye yayiza kwenziwa ngemali yabucala? EFransi yaya kurhulumente, kwaye into onayo eFransi yinkqubo yesizwe yobusoshiyali, kwaye ndisebenzisa eli gama ngokucebisa. Ndiyathetha, ndifundisa iWestern Civ! I-socialism yeSizwe luhlobo apho amaqumrhu aqhuba urhulumente kwaye eFransi amaqumrhu aqhuba ishishini lenyukliya, yonke into ihlawulwe ngurhulumente, urhulumente uphethe, usebenza, ubeka iliso, ulawula kwaye unike ingxelo, okanye engenzi ngxelo, yintoni kwenzeka kwezi zityalo zenyukliya. Ingaphaya kokufikelela ngokupheleleyo ebantwini.
Ngoku apha eUnited States bekukho amalinge ahlukeneyo, kwabakho iinzame phantsi kweFord zokufumana imeko enkulu yenkunkuma yenziwe, maninzi amanye amalinge apha endleleni nje ukujika oku kube yinkqubo yesizwe, inkqubo yesizwe yobusoshiyali, kodwa kuba kwakukho intshukumo echasene nenyukliya engazange yenzeke. Ke endleleni, zonke ezi reactors, okanye phantse zonke zadibana nohlobo oluthile lokuchasa, ngokuchaseneyo nezinye iindawo, kwaye oko kwenza umahluko omkhulu. Ngoku, ndiza kukhomba, umzekelo, ubuneSweden kunye neDenmark. E-Sweden ishishini liqhubekile kwaye bakha ii-reactors ezilishumi elinanye, nto leyo kwilizwe elilingana neSweden ngobukhulu. EDenmark intshukumo echasene nenyukliya yaphakama yabamisa, kwaye iDenmark ayizange yakhe izityalo zenyukliya. Emva koko iinkampani ezine zokuphumeza iifama zangena kwaye zangena kwishishini lomoya kwaye iDenmark yalimala yaba liziko leshishini lomoya kwihlabathi lonke elo xesha, kwaye benza ubutyebi, kwaye abantu abangaphezu kwe-10,000 eDenmark basebenza kwishishini lomoya namhlanje. .
Ke, izigqibo zenziwa kwenye indawo endleleni, nazo. NdandiseJapan phakathi kwiminyaka yee-70. Mna nomhlobo wam, sajikeleza iJapan, sathetha kwiindawo ezahlukeneyo, sazisa ifilimu, sadliwano-ndlebe. Ndibhale okuninzi eJapan eneneni phakathi kwiminyaka yoo-70s. Intshukumo echasene nenyukliya yaseJapan iye yanqanda, yagcina inani lisezantsi, yanqanda inani lezixhobo zokwenza amandla ukuba zakhiwe kwaye le nto yaseFukushima yayiโฆakukho nto imangalisayo kuyo, oku kwaxelwa kwangaphambili. Wonke umntu waseJapan wayesazi ukuba oomatshini bomoya babangelwa ziinyikima yaye basesichengeni sokuhlaselwa ziitsunami. IFukushima ayimangalisi! Ndathetha noKashuazaki apho iminyaka emihlanu, ngaphantsi kweminyaka emihlanu eyadlulayo yaba nenyikima apho zonke ii-reactors ezisixhenxe zaye zavalwa. KwiHamaoko, besisazi ngeHamaoko esandula kuvalwa ngoku, ke le yintshukumo yehlabathi kwaye ngokucacileyo ibenefuthe. Kodwa apha eUnited States siye sayiguqula imeko yeshishini kwaye sabanyanzela ukuba bafumane imali yabucala. Sibanqumle kwinkxaso-mali yesizwe kunye nakwarhulumente amaninzi, amaninzi, amaninzi, amaxesha amaninzi. Uluhlu lwee-reactors ezachaswa zaza zathintelwa ekubeni zakhiwe, lude kakhulu. Xa uNixon wayezama oku ngonyaka ka-'74, senze isaziso. Kwakukho malunga nama-250, ngokurhabaxa, ii-reactors ezazikwi-intanethi phantsi kolwakhiwo okanye kwi-odolo kwaye ukususela oko wenza eso sibhengezo sokuba kuya kubakho iwaka, amanani aqala ukuhla, yayichasene ngqo nento efunwa lishishini.
UDAVIDE SWANSON: Kodwa makhe ndiqhubeke umthetheleli kaMtyholi indima, Nixon wayefuna isiqinisekiso ingeniso esisiseko. I-Nixon ifake i-Arhente yoKhuseleko lweNdalo, ngoku iqela laseRiphabhlikhi lifuna ukuyiphelisa. Ngeminyaka yoo-1970 kwabakho ubutshantliziyo, kwabakho umbutho ochasene nemfazwe, kukho amajelo eendaba, kukho unxibelelwano, kwavulwa amazwi ahlukeneyo kumaza omoya wethu, imali yayincinane kwezopolitiko, urhwaphilizo lwalumbalwa, kwabakho ukuqondana. yomthetho othe walahleka kwimfazwe yehlabathi yobunqolobi. Uthini na kubantu kwiziganeko zokuthetha abaphakamisa izandla zabo ngolo hlobo lokuchasa, 'jonga, i-'70s, kunye neye-80s yayiyihlabathi elahlukileyo, namhlanje singamaxhoba angenakuncedo.' Uphendula uthini?
UHARVEY WASSERMAN: Hayi, okokuqala, kukho enye into, ethi uNixon wayefuna ukusebenzisa izixhobo zenyukliya eVietnam kwaye, uyazi, ukuba ukhe wafuna ukuzithethelela - andazi ukuba uneminyaka emingaphi! (ehleka) Andazi ukuba umdala ngokwaneleyo na ukuba uhambe ngexesha lemfazwe yaseVietnam, kodwaโฆ
UDAVID SWANSON: Ndazalelwa ekupheleni kwe-69, ngoko ndandingumntwana omncinci, kodwa ndibone i-tape ye-Nixon etshela uHenry 'uyazi, sizama nje ukucinga kakhulu.' Wayenomdla wokusebenzisa ii-nukes.
UHARVEY WASSERMAN: Ewe, ke, ndifumene ukubethwa kwam kabini ngexesha lemfazwe yaseVietnam kwaye sahamba, kwaye abantu bathi, hayi, nina aninampembelelo emfazweni, yayiyiVietnamese kwaye. urhulumente uyenzile le nto ayenzileyo, kwaye ukuba ufuna ukubona ulungelelwaniso lokumatsha kunye nentshukumo yonke echasene nemfazwe, uNixon kwimbali yakhe ngobomi bakhe ukhankanye ukuba wayefuna ukusebenzisa izixhobo zenyukliya eVietnam kodwa akakwazanga ukwenza oko kuba wayesazi. ukuba intshukumo yokulwa imfazwe iya kuqhushumbisa ilizwe, kwaye ke konke ukumatsha kwethu kunye nalo lonke uqhanqalazo lwethu, ndicinga ukuba, lwenziwe, lwenziwa, singatsho, lube nefuthe elibonakalayo kukuba simthintele uNixon ekwenzeni loo nto. Makube lee, unokucinga ukuba babesebenzise izixhobo zenyukliya eVietnam? Thixo wam, beliya kuba lilizwe elahlukileyo.
Ke namhlanje, ewe, sisekupheleni kobukumkani, akukho mathandabuzo. Le yimeko yakudala apho ukhe wanelizwe elifana neGrisi neRoma, iBhabheli namaPersi, kunye namaBrits, nabani na ongomnye onenjongo yobukumkani kwaye ngoku usekupheleni komsila apho urhulumente ongalawulekiyo, unomsantsa omkhulu phakathi kwezityebi namahlwempu, uya usiba mbi. Yima umzuzwana omnyeโฆ [nqumama kwiteyiphu]. Eli lixesha elibi, lixesha elinzima, kodwa kwakhona, kuninzi esikufezileyo. Ndicinga ukuba abantu kufuneka bakhumbule, kwaye oku kunzima, kwaye u-Obama unzima, kuba ungumongameli owoyikeka, owoyikekayo, yisuti yenkampani engenanto, uyenzile, ungoyena mthiyelo kunye nokutshintsha. Uqhube iphulo njengenkqubela phambili, ngokucacileyo, wenza izithembiso kwintshukumo yenkqubela phambili, awathi wayithi shwaka kwaye wajikeleza, kodwa ngokusisiseko, mhlawumbi akufanele usebenzise elo binzana, kodwa uyazi, lisemthethweni. Masiyibeke ngolunye uhlobo, masithi ngenene waziveza njengomntu ozakungena, njengoko nimbiza njalo, enze utshintsho athabathe amaqumrhu. Ungahlala ubuyela umva kwaye ujonge i-rhetoric kwaye ubone ukuba wabiyela ukubheja kwakhe, kodwa inqaku lelokuba ngo-2008 sahlanganisa, ilizwe, ilizwe ladibanisa elinye lamaphulo amakhulu onyulo kwimbali yelizwe. Yayijoliswe ngokucacileyo nangokucacileyo ekupheliseni ilifa elibi likaGeorge W. Bush, lalijoliswe ekuthatheni iinkampani kunye nokuguqula uhlobo lwemfazwe kunye nendlela yethu yokusingqongileyo. Ubunezigidi, ngokoqobo izigidi zabantu abaphume baza basebenza, hayi nje abo baphume ukuvota, kodwa basebenza, ukuqinisekisa ukuba unyulo alubiwa kwiivoti, nto leyo ebesazi ukuba inokwenzeka. Ujonge iphulo lika-2008, yonke into malunga nalo yayilungile kwilizwe elinamandla, inkqubela phambili, ingqiqo ephantsi. Ingxaki kukuba umfana ophezulu wajika waba yi-shyster, ngokukodwa. Kodwaโฆ[uDavid uqalisa ukuthetha] yima, yima, mandithethe enye into kodwa!
Makhe ndithethe enye into ngayo. Kwakhona kwakujoliswe ekunyuleni umntu wase-Afrika waseMelika, kwaye iWEB DuBois yathi umcimbi wenkulungwane yama-20 ngumgca wombala. Kwaye ngeendlela ezininzi yayingumgca wombala. Iindlela ezininzi, kungekhona ngokupheleleyo, kwakukho eminye imiba emininzi, kodwa kwinkulungwane yama-20, ubuhlanga bekungumbandela omkhulu, ochaza ngokucacileyo. Kungoku xa u-Obama ebambeka, kwaye uye wabonakala engumongameli odelelayo, siye singayihoyi loo nto, kodwaโฆ unyulo lomntu ontsundu, womMafrika waseMelika ukuba abe nguMongameli yinto enkulu kakhulu. Isithembiso esinye asigcinileyo u-Obama kukuba ubeke umntu wase-Afrika waseMelika kwiNdlu eNgcaciso. Okunene ubeke ezintlanu, ukuba ubala umfazi wakhe, abantwana bakhe kunye nomamazala wakhe. Yinto enkulu le! Akukho nto aza kuyenza, umongameli ombi njengoko ebenjalo, uyakuyitshintsha loo nto. Ke intsalela yayo, ndiyaqonda. Ndiyayiqonda le nto uyithethayo, kodwa kufuneka siyamkele...
UDAVIDE SWANSON: Kodwa khange ndithethe nto! Harvey, wathembisa ukuba uza kuyandisa imfazwe e-Afghanistan ngokumangalisayo, kwaye wasigcina eso sithembiso. Wathembisa ukuwandisa umkhosi, wasigcina eso sithembiso. Wathembisa ukuqalisa ukusebenzisa iidrones ngendlela enkulu, kuquka nePakistan, kwaye wasigcina eso sithembiso. Wayesenzela iinukes, wayesenzela amalahle acocekileyo, kuninzi ...
UHARVEY WASSERMAN: Ewe, ewe kwaye hayi, kuya kufuneka ubuyele umva kwaye ujonge ukuba utheni ngeenukes. Ubethelele ukubheja kwakhe kwii-nukes. Sakulandela ngokusondeleyo kakhulu oko wayekuthetha ngamandla enyukliya. Wahlasela iKomishoni yoLawulo lweNyukliya, wenza iinkcazo ezicacileyo malunga nenkunkuma
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