Umongameli uTrump kulindeleke ukuba asayine umyalelo wesigqeba ngoLwesibini wokudiliza ukubulawa kwemithetho yemozulu ebekwe nguMongameli Obama. Umyalelo wesigqeba uphawula inyathelo lokuqala lokurhoxisa iSicwangciso saMandla esiCocekileyo sikaMongameli u-Obama sokunqanda ukukhutshwa kweziko lombane. Lo mthetho wabonwa njengento ebalulekileyo yesibhambathiso sase-US sokunciphisa ukukhutshwa kwezinto ezikhutshwayo njengenxalenye yeSivumelwano saseParis sika-2015. Umyalelo wesigqeba sikaTrump kulindeleke ukuba uphelise imithetho ethintela ukukhutshwa kwemethane kwaye uvule ucango lokumbiwa kwamalahle ngakumbi kunye nokuqhekeka kwimihlaba yomdibaniso. Ukufumana okungakumbi, sithetha noRebecca Solnit, omnye wababhali abadumileyo kweli lizwe, ochithe iminyaka ebhala ngotshintsho lwemozulu. Ungumbhali weencwadi ezingaphezu kwama-20, kubandakanya, kutsha nje, "Umama wemibuzo yonke."
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Umongameli uTrump kulindeleke ukuba asayine isigqeba esilawulayo namhlanje sokudiliza uthotho lwemithetho yemozulu ebekwe nguMongameli Obama. Umyalelo wesigqeba uphawula inyathelo lokuqala lokurhoxisa iSicwangciso saMandla esiCocekileyo sika-Obama sokunqanda ukukhutshwa kweziko lombane. Lo mthetho wabonwa njengento ebalulekileyo yesibhambathiso sase-US sokunciphisa ukukhutshwa kwezinto ezikhutshwayo njengenxalenye yesivumelwano saseParis sika-2015. Umyalelo wesigqeba sikaTrump kulindeleke ukuba uphelise imithetho ethintela ukukhutshwa kwemethane kwaye uvule ucango lokumbiwa kwamalahle ngakumbi kunye nokuqhekeka kwimihlaba yomdibaniso. Ukongeza, umyalelo wesigqeba kulindeleke ukuba uphele ngokupheleleyo iSicwangciso sokuSebenza kweMozulu sikaMongameli Obama sika-2013, esichaza indlela karhulumente wobumbano yokunciphisa utshintsho lwemozulu.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Sichitha iyure yonke kunye nomnye wababhali abadumileyo besizwe, uRebecca Solnit, obhale malunga nokutshintsha kwemozulu iminyaka, kubandakanya nokufundwa ngokubanzi. incoko enomxholo othi, โBiza utshintsho lwemozulu ngokuba luyintoni na: ugonyamelo.โ Ubhale wathi, โUkutshintsha kwemozulu lugonyamelo olusehlabathini lonke, olunxamnye neendawo neentlobo zezidalwa kwanakubantu. Sakuba siyibiza ngegama, sinokuqalisa incoko yokwenene ngezinto eziza kuqala kuthi nemilinganiselo yethu yokuziphatha. Kuba imvukelo enxamnye nenkohlakalo iqala ngokuvukela ulwimi oluyifihlayo loo nkohlakalo.โ
URebecca Solnit ungumbhali weencwadi ezingaphezu kwama-20, kutsha nje, Umama wemibuzo yonke. Ukwangumbhali wemihlathi Harper kaThixo Phephancwadi.
Kumnandi ukuba nawe, Rebecca. Ngaba ungaqala ngokuthetha ngotshintsho lwemozulu kunye noku kuchithwa komthetho, abaninzi bafumanisa ukuba bafuna nangexesha leminyaka ka-Obama, kodwa uMongameli uTrump uyayichitha loo nto?
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Okokuqala, nabani na omangalisiweyo akazange anikele ngqalelo nangaphambi konyulo. Kodwa ndiyazi ukuba uBill McKibben uthethe ngayo kancinci izolo, ukuba ukuhla kwexabiso lezinto ezihlaziyiweyo akunakuthintelwa. Irhasi yendalo inexeshana elithile, kodwa oko akuthethi ukuba ayoyikeka. Kwaye kubuhlungu nyani kum ngale ntsasa ukuva ezi ndaba. Kodwa, uyazi, siya kulwa. Kwaye enye yezinto, ethetha njengeCalifornian, ngexesha lolawulo lukaBush, uninzi lwezigqibo malunga nemozulu lunikezelwe kumazwe. Kwaye, uyazi, iCalifornia kwafuneka ilwe nolawulo lweBush ekubekeni imigangatho yokukhutshwa kweemoto. Nangaphezu kokuba sasinjalo ngelo xesha, siza kulwa. Siza kumisela imigangatho yokukhupha izinto ezikhutshwayo. Siza kukhokela ekuhambeleni kude kumafutha efosili. Kwaye kukho izikali ezininzi ezahlukeneyo-kukho isikali samazwe ngamazwe, isikali sasekhaya, isikali sikarhulumente-abantu banokuqhubeka nokusebenza ngelixa bechasa olu lawulo, kodwa ukwazi ukuba, okona kulungileyo, sinokubathintela ekwenzeni izinto, singabafumani. umsebenzi omkhulu wemozulu, ngoko-okanye mhlawumbi, okona kungcono, ukuba singabawisa ngokukhawuleza, ukutsibela phambili kancinci.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Ewe, ubhale kakhulu malunga nokuba ukuchasana kunokujongeka njani phantsi koMongameli uTrump. Uthini umyalezo wakho kubantu abaninzi abathe gqolo ukuziva bedangele njengoko bebona iindaba, mihla le, ngamaphulo amatsha olu lawulo?
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Uyazi, ndicinga ukuba inkcaso eyavela ngokukhawuleza emva konyulo, kwaye iqhubeka isebenza ngokufuduka kunye namalungelo oluntu kunye nemozulu kunye nayo yonke into, iyinto engavamile kwaye inamandla kwaye ayikho into endiyibonayo. Into endikhathazayo, emva kweminyaka engama-30 yomzabalazo, kukuba abantu abaninzi baya kucinga, "Ewe, kukho into esiyenzileyo namhlanje, kwaye asibonanga ziphumo ngomso." Ke enye yezinto endizibhaleleyo Guardian kwaye kwenye indawo uzama nje ukukhumbuza abantu ukuba le yinkqubo ende, ukuba sinokuba, uyazi, amanqanaba okuqala okuchaza ngokutsha ukuba idemokhrasi iza kuthetha ntoni kwesi sizwe, ukuhlaziya iinkqubo ezazisele zigugile kwaye zithe ngxi ngaphambili. -uyazi, iTrump sisiphumo senkqubo engasebenziyo, hayi unobangela wayo. Ke ngoko sinomsebenzi omkhulu wokutshintsha ekufuneka siwenze. Kwaye abantu ngokwenene bayayenza. Ukuba sihlala sihlala kuyo, ukuba silumkile, ukuba sinobuchule, ukuba sinomdla ngakumbi kubumbano kunohlobo lokufezekiswa kwe-nitpicking umahluko omncinci, ndicinga ukuba izinto ezingaqhelekanga zinokwenzeka, kungekhona ukuba ziqinisekisiwe. . Kuxhomekeke kwinto esiyenzayo. Kodwa ngumzuzu ochulumancisayo kwaye owonwabisayo, kunye nokukrazula kwentliziyo kunye nowothusayo. Kwaye ezo zinto zinokuhlalisana.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Thetha malunga nokuchasa okwenyani, nokuba sithetha ngemini emva kokumiselwa kukaMongameli uTrump, apho ubuncinci izihlandlo ezithathu inani labantu baphuma, indawo enye, efanayo, uyazi, ixesha lexesha, kwaye yayingabafazi, abafazi. NgoMatshi ukuya eWashington.
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Ewe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Phakathi kwemiba ababeyiphakamisa, ngokuqinisekileyo utshintsho lwemozulu kunye neminye emininzi, amalungelo okuzala. Kwaye akuzange kube ziintsuku ezimbalwa ngaphambi kokuba uMongameli uTrump akhuphe umyalelo wolawulo, i-gag order, enokuthi ibonwe ngabaninzi. Abafazi baphuma baze bathethe, kwaye emva koko ukhupha umyalelo we-gag othi, uyazi, kumazwe ngamazwe, amaqela amabhinqa-imibutho yezempilo ayinakukwazi, ukukhupha isisu kuphela, kodwa nokuthetha ngayo njengento yokukhetha, okanye ilahlekelwe yinkxaso-mali yayo.
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Kuyahlekisa, xa ubusithi "ulungelelwaniso lwe-gag," bendicinga ngomyalelo wokuthintela i-gag-ndicinga ukuba yayilu EPA ekuthetheni ngemozulu. Zininzi ii-odolo ze-gag eziphuma kolu lawulo, abantu abaninzi bazama ukubathulisa ngeendlela ezininzi. Kodwa abantu abanaloyiko. Ndacinga ukuba oku kufana nomzuzu-iinyanga kunye neminyaka emva kwe-9/11, apho abantu babesoyika ngokwenene, kwaye kwakubonakala ngathi iqaqobana lethu lithetha. Baninzi abantu abathethayo. Kukho ama-6,000, ubuncinane, amaqela aNgahlulwa-hlulwayo athe aseka ukuzama ukuphembelela nokuphembelela abezopolitiko. Kukho amaqela amaninzi amatsha kunye nenkxaso eninzi yamaqela akhoyo malunga nokufudukela kwamanye amazwe kunye namalungelo oluntu, iimbacu, ukukhusela amaSilamsi. Uyazi, ingxoxo yezempilo yayiyingxoxo-mpikiswano malunga nokuba abasetyhini bangabantu na, nto leyo abangazange bayicinge ngokucacileyo, njengoko onke loo madoda ayesithi, โKutheni kufuneka sixhase ngemali iimammograms? Kutheni kufuneka sikugqume ukukhulelwa?โ njl. Ngoko ke, uyazi, iโ
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngokungathi amadoda akananto yakwenza nokukhulelwa.
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Uyazi, amadoda angazalwanga ngabafazi mhlawumbi awakwenzi, uyazi, kwaye anokunyathela phambili ngoku. Kodwa yi-uyazi, ndivakalelwa kukuba kufuneka sijongane nezinto ezidibanisa zonke ezi zinto, sesiphi isiseko esiqhelekileyo sokulingana, ubuntu kunye novelwano, ukungabi nabundlobongela, sinokudibanisa yonke le miba, njengoko sisiya phambili. Kodwa ukuchasana ngokwenene kuyamangalisa kuzo zonke ezi zinto. Kwaye ithi. Lisebe lezobulungisaโkungekhona kuzo zonke iimeko, kodwa kwiimeko ezininziโamaqela onqulo nabantu abaninzi abakurhulumente womanyano. Kwaye ukubonakala ngoko nangoko uhlobo Alt National Parks, Alt EPA, Umkhohlisi NASA, yayibangelโ imincili ngokwenene. Kwaye enye yezinto endichukumisayo ngayo yonke le nto, kukuba ekuphela kwamandla umongameli anawo kukunika imiyalelo, kwaye oko kungamandla kuphela ukuba loo miyalelo iyathotyelwa. Kwaye uyabona ukuba ayiseyiyo inkqubo eqinisekileyo. Iyawohloka ngenene ngeendlela ezininzi njengoko ephulukana nentlonipho, ephulukana nokukholelwa.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Bendifuna ukukubuza malunga-ukhankanye amazwe. Ungumhlali waseCalifornia ixesha elide, elilizwe ngoku elichasene nepolar kwinto eyenzekayo eWashington, DC Ngaba ungathetha malunga nento eyenziwa yiCalifornia kunye nendlela enokuthi ikwazi ukuchaphazela ngayo-ingakumbi xa malunga nokutshintsha kwemozulu, incoko nemigaqo-nkqubo yesizwe?
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Ewe. Ngosuku olusemva konyulo, uKevin de Leรณn, umongameli weNdlu yeeNgwevu zelizwe, kunye nogxa wakhe kwindlu engaphantsi bakhupha isibhengezo sokuchasa, yaye sasithetha iilwimi ezimbini njengenxalenye yokuchasa. Yayintle into. UJerry Brown, osafuna ukuyeka ukuqhatha eCalifornia, kodwa, uyazi, uye wadelela ngokuphandle nangokungoyiki. Singumbuso omkhulu. Silolona qoqosho lukhulu ehlabathini. Sikude ngenene eWashington. Singabantu baseLatino-baninzi kweli nqanaba. Kwaye simisela eyethu inkqubo kwaye-ngeendlela ezininzi. Kwaye xa sisenza izinto, ithande ukukhokela ilizwe lonke. Ngokuyinxenye kuba sibakhulu, uyazi, kukho olo hlobo lwempembelelo. Sizama ukumisela imigangatho emitsha yokukhupha izinto ezikhutshwayo. Sijonge kumgaqo-nkqubo wamandla ahlaziyekayo kuzwelonke oya kwenza ukuba uninzi lukarhulumente lusebenze kwizinto ezihlaziyiweyo. Izixeko ezinjengeSan Diego sele zizibophelele ukuya kwi-100 yeepesenti ezivuselelekayo. Ke siqhuba ngokweenkolelo zethu kwaye singazivumeli ukuba zisiphazamise kangako.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ndiyathetha, uKevin de Leรณn uthetha ngokwenza ilizwe libe yindawo engcwele.
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Eyona nto intle. Kwaye ndimfumana engumntu wezopolitiko onomdla ngendlela emangalisayo njengetshantliziyo lemozulu, umntu obhinqileyo, uyazi, intshatsheli yamalungelo abaphambukeli, inkokeli yaseLatino. Kwaye ndiyathemba ukumbona eqhubeka nokuvuka.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ubhale kwakhona malunga nemfazwe ngaphakathi kweRiphabhlikhi Party, uthetha ngayo yonke into eyenzekileyo kwezi ntsuku zimbalwa zidlulileyo ngokusilela kweTrumpcare.
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Ewe. Hayi, ndicinga ukuba omabini amaqela akwiindidi ezahlukeneyo zobunzima. Kodwa iQela leRiphabhlikhi liyinto enomdla-luhlobo lokuqhekeka. Kwaye unokubona bonke aba bantu babonakala bengenawo umgaqo omninzi bathatha isigqibo: Ngaba kukhuselekile ukuhamba noTrump okanye ukumchasa? Ngexesha elithile, ndicinga ukuba uya kuba ekwindla yamahhala, kwaye iimpuku ziya kukhwela inqanawa ezikayo. Kodwa, uyazi, ukwathi sinabantu abaninzi abadala abagada abafana noLindsey Graham noJohn McCain abaye bathetha ngokuphandle malunga nokudibana neRashiya. Kwaye ngumzuzu nje ongaqhelekanga ngenene. Uyazi, bamele ntoni? Yiloo nto-ndivakalelwa kukuba iQela leRiphabhlikhi belisoloko liluhlobo oluchwethezayo kwaye lizifihlile kunye nenja yempempe, uyazi, yenziwe. Kwaye ngoku luhlobo lweze kwaye lujinga apho ukuze lubonwe luluntu. Kwaye uTrump uye wathatha zonke izinto ebesithi bebezenzile kwaye wazigqithisa. Kukho indawo eninzi yabantu bangaphandle, iQela leDemokhrasi-ukuba bangaze bafumane ubunkokeli-uyazi, abantu beendaba, njl.njl., ukuba baqhube iiweji ngabo. Kwaye iiDemokhrasi zenza izinto ezintle, njengokubenza bavote rhoqo ngeveki malunga nokuba uTrump kufuneka aveze iirhafu zakhe, kunye nohlobo lokuzibeka kwirekhodi, elinokuthi libe nefuthe kwi-congresspeople eninzi phakathi kwekota.
JUAN GONZรLEZ: Bendifuna ukukubuza malunga neencwadi zakho zamva nje, Umama wemibuzo yonke. Uthini umama wemibuzo yonke?
UREBECCA I-OLNIT: Uyazi, sisihloko sesincoko endisibhale malunga neentlobo zemibuzo ebuzwa ngabasetyhini ngalo lonke ixesha-โKutheni ungenabo abantwana?โโene, uyazi, ingqikelelo-kunye nemibuzo efana naleyo, ecinga ukuba abafazi luhlobo nje lweeyunithi zokuzala, ukuba bonke abafazi bayafana, ukuba ulonwabo lunokuvela kuphela kwikhaya kunye nobomi bosapho kunye nokuzala, kwaye ubomi babucala babasetyhini bushishini likarhulumente. Kwaye, uyazi, yinxalenye yeshishini elikhulu lokuxelela abantu ukuba bunjani ubomi obulungileyo, obudingayo-kufuneka ube neentlobano zesini ezininzi, utshate, ube nabantwana kwaye ube nezinto zokudlala kunye nemali kwaye. njl. Kwaye sonke siyazi ukuba abantu abaninzi banazo ezo zinto kwaye abonwabanga, kwaye abantu abaninzi abanazo ezo zinto. Ndihlala kunye nabefundisi abaninzi bamaBhuda abangatshatanga kunye nama-abbesses kunye nezinto, abangabantu abonwabileyo ngokwenene, abangenazo ezo zinto. Uyazi, yimvukelo ngenene ngokuchasene neefomula kunye nemibuzo engeyiyo imibuzo yokwenyani enomdla wokuqonda nzulu, kodwa izama ukuhlazisa abantu kunye nomhlambi-uyazi, batyhale babuyele emhlambini, banyanzele ukuba ukuhambelana.
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