Xa 26 amalungu US Congress ubhalele uMongameli Obama mva nje bembongoza ukuba abambelele ekusebenziseni kwakhe iinqwelo-moya eziziinqwelo-moya 'nje ngoonozakuzaku abangenabuso ababangela ukufa kwabantu,' eyona ndoda yayinoxanduva.
ICongressman yaseOhio uDennis Kucinich ube ngusopolitiki osebenza iminyaka engaphezu kwama-40 - kodwa akangomntu waseWashington. Ichazwa ngamanye amaxesha ngumhlobo kunye notshaba ngokufanayo 'njengeyona ndoda inenkululeko eMelika,' uKuchinich ugcina umgaqo-siseko ngokuchasene nomkhosi wase-US.
U-Kucinich uye wajonga inkqubo yokubulala ekujoliswe kuyo yaseMelika ngokuchasene nabatyholwa ngokuba ngabanqolobi nge-alarm iminyaka ethile. Kutshanje uye wakhathaza i-United States ukuba ivuleleke malunga neemfazwe zayo ezifihlakeleyo, kunye neCongress ukuba iqinisekise ilungelo layo lokubhengeza imfazwe-okanye hayi-kwiindawo ezinjengePakistan neYemen. Kwaye u-Kucinich, ophinda kabini umongameli ophambili okhuphisana naye, ukwazama ukwazisa uMthetho osayilwayo oza kuthintela ukubulawa kwabemi baseMelika ziiarhente zase-US ezifana neCIA.
Ngomhla apho i-Bureau yayithetha naye, ingcali ye-UN e-Geneva yayisandula ukubiza iqhinga le-CIA le-drone elisetyenziswe ePakistan njenge. 'ulwaphulo-mthetho lwemfazwe'. Siqale ngokumbuza malunga neziphumo:
Dennis Kucinich: Ewe ndicinga ukuba ngumcimbi wexesha ngaphambi kokuba ingxoxo yamazwe ngamazwe iyenze icace gca ukuba ukuba iinkqubo zedrone azivalwanga, ke into esiyijongileyo yinto yokubakho kwemfazwe kubo bonke, ukutyhutyha. ukuzimela kwesizwe kunye nokukhatywa kwesakhiwo somthetho wamazwe ngamazwe. Ke, uyazi, kukho ingcamango yolwaphulo-mthetho lwemfazwe oluye lunyanzelise ukuba amazwe ayalihlonela igunya lenkundla.
Ngokuqinisekileyo ndibize i-US ukuba ijoyine iNkundla yoLwaphulo-mthetho lwamazwe ngamazwe. Siye sangena kwihlabathi ukususela kwi-9 / 11 apho umthetho wamazwe ngamazwe ubekwe bucala kwaye apho izixhobo zemfazwe ziba yinto yonke indawo yokuba yonke imithetho ingahoywa kwaye imimandla yeengxabano iyanda. Apho abarhanelwa abarhanelwa - kwaye asiyazi eyona nto bakrokrelwa ukuyenza, uyazi - banokukrokrelwa ngoku, kwaye banokubulawa. Okanye banokuqondwa nje ukuba bayindoda ekwiminyaka yokulwa kwaye babulawe.
Q: Unethemba lokufezekisa ntoni ngeleta yakho yamva nje eya kuMongameli Obama?
DK: Ewe, ikhona into esele iyifezile. Xa uhlanganisa amalungu amaninzi eCongress kwingxelo efanayo malunga nomgaqo-nkqubo wase-US ongenaso isiseko somthetho, ongenaso elubala, ngoko, ndiyacinga, abantu baqala ukuqaphela. ICongress, ngelishwa, iye yacotha ukubanga uxanduva lwayo phantsi koMgaqo-siseko wase-US, 'amandla okubhengeza imfazwe'. Ngethuba ukubhalwa koMgaqo-siseko igunya lemfazwe lacatshulwa ngolu hlobo. Ngaphantsi kwenqaku loku-1 abasunguli beNkongolo bafuna ukunqanda into ababeyibiza ngokuba 'yinja yemfazwe' ngokuyibeka kwizandla zowiso-mthetho abaza kuchaphazeleka yiyo, kwaye ke kuya kufuneka bajongane nabantu ngaxa lithile.
Kodwa okwenzekileyo kukuba kwesi sithuba se-9/11 sehlabathi kukuba izibhengezo zemfazwe ziye zanyamalala, zathatyathelw' indawo sisibhengezo solawulo samandla okubhengeza imfazwe yehlabathi. Kwaye oko kuye kwagxininiswa, okwakuphantsi kolawulo lukaBush, ngoku phantsi kolawulo luka-Obama kukuthotywa kwesigqeba solawulo lwamandla okubetha nakwesiphi na isizwe nangasiphi na isizathu. Ukwandisa iimfazwe zedrone kwi-Afrika iphela, kuMbindi Mpuma, kwaye ndicinga ukuba ekugqibeleni ndibeka umngcipheko wokubuyela umva.
Q: E-Yemen kutshanje kukho ukunyuka okuthe kratya, kungekuphela nje kuqhankqalazo lwe-drone kodwa ngokucacileyo uhlaselo lomoya olufihlakeleyo, iibhombu zomkhosi waselwandle, kunye nemikhosi enokwenzeka yasemhlabeni.
DK: Ewe, yimfazwe, uyazi. Akufuneki sihambe kuqheliselo lwe-Orwellian lwesemantics okanye ukujijwa kwentsingiselo apha. Siyaqonda ukuba sisemfazweni eYemen. Ngoku ukuze iNkongolo iwazi ngokupheleleyo lo mba, ndiceba ukuzisa kumgangatho weNdlu isigqibo esithatha kwiimfuno zoMthetho waMagunya eMfazwe, ukuba abalawuli kuya kufuneka bafune isibhengezo esivela kubo. ICongress okanye kuya kufuneka iyeke.
Ujonge apha kumandla olawulo athe akhululwa. Inkqubo yethu yobulungisa, ngokoMgaqo-siseko, yakhiwe kakhulu. Kukho imimandla ebanzi yomgaqo-siseko wethu enento yokwenza nokuphandwa kwabantu, ukubanjwa, ukumangalelwa, ukuxoxwa kwetyala, kwaye ukuba bagwetywe benetyala bagwetywe ngokufanelekileyo baze bavalelwe.
Into esiyenzileyo apha ngenkqubo yedrone kukuguqula kakhulu inkqubo yethu yobulungisa. Kuba, khumbula, ukuba yonke imbono kukuba sithumela ngaphandle amaxabiso aseMelika, ezo drones zibonisa amaxabiso aseMelika. Kwaye ngoku sixelela umhlaba ukuba amaxabiso aseMelika asisishwankathelo sokubulawa, akukho malungelo kumtyholwa, akukho nkqubo yokubanjwa, akukho kufundwa kwamatyala, akukho tyala ngabagwebi, akukho jaji, ngumbulali kuphela.
Ukuba unaye kuphela umbulali ongekho sikweni, leyo yenye into. Ayisiyi-United States kuphela kodwa uluntu lwehlabathi lufanele luxatyiswe ngokufanelekileyo malunga noku kubizwa ngokuba kukubulala okujoliswe kuko. Kwaye ngenxa yokuba ugxininiso ekubulaleni, oku kukubulala. Ukuba umntu udubule igrocer kwaye ukuzikhusela kwakhe 'yayikukubulala ekujoliswe kuko' wayeza kugwetywa ubomi bakhe. Kodwa sixelelwa ukuba oku kubulala kujoliswe kuko ngandlel’ ithile kuya kuqwalaselwa ngokwahlukileyo kuyo nayiphi na inkqubo yezomthetho.
Q: Kutshanje kukho ukungafihli nto, apho uMongameli kunye nabanye baye bathetha esidlangalaleni malunga namaphulo afihlakeleyo. Kodwa imeko yeSebe lezoBulungisa kukuba 'asikwazi ukuthetha nawe konke konke malunga nayo kuba iyimfihlo.' Ezo zikhundla zibonakala zingalungelelani zingabanjwa njani ngurhulumente?
DK: Ewe, xa uneenkqubo zokubulala ezingenalo naliphi na ilinge lokumisela ukuthetheleleka okusemthethweni, ngoko uye wangena ekuwohlokeni kokuziphatha. Umthetho wamazwe ngamazwe awuthethi nto, imithetho yemfazwe ayithethi nto. Lo mqathango andubeki kuye nabani na omnye, kodwa ndithi inkqubo ngokwayo ithetha ngendlela egqwesa umthetho wokuziphatha, umgaqo-siseko kunye nomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe. Oko kusibeka kumjikelo ongapheliyo wobundlobongela.
Kukho abantu abamsulwa ababulawayo, oko akunakuphikiswa. Kwesinye seziqhankqalazo zokuqala abazipapashayo kwindawo yaseWazaristan, kwakukho idolophu encinci yaseDamadola apho ndicinga malunga nabantu abayi-14 babulawa, ndicinga ukuba kuqhankqalazo ngoJanuwari 2006, ndikhumbula oku ngentloko. Ndiyakholelwa ukuba baye babetha kuba omnye wabantu wayebonakala ebude bomnye wabantu ababemfuna. Iikhrayitheriya zihlala zitshintsha kwaye iqhubeka ikhululeka kwaye ikhululeka.
Ngoku, ngokwelo bali lamva nje ndicinga ukuba kwi-New York Times, onke amadoda e-Wazirstan ngoku ajongwa njengabanqolobi.
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Umbuzo: Onke amadoda amadala, ewe.
DK: Ewe, kwaye ke ngenye imini, ndiyathemba ukuba akusayi kuba kude kakhulu kwixesha elizayo, umntu othile uya kujonga emva koku aze athi, 'Owu Thixo wam, bekutheni ukuze kuvunyelwe oku?' Urhulumente wase-US uhamba nje 'sichithe imali eninzi kwizixhobo kunalo naliphi na elinye ilizwe emhlabeni ngenxa yokuba sinomkhosi onamandla kakhulu.' Asinakuzicingela ngokwethu ilungelo lokunyanzelisa imfazwe naphi na apho sithanda khona, ukanti sinalo. Kwaye kukho uxanduva oluncinci, ke into endizama ukuyizisa kwiCongress kukunyanzela uxanduva kunye nokungafihli. Ukungafihli ngokwemigaqo yokuba 'uyakwazi njani, uyazi, kuthekani ngesi sishwankathelo singekho mthethweni okanye ugwetyelo olungenasizathu? Lithini igunya elisemthethweni lokuba urhulumente aqhube ukubulala ngaphandle kwenkundla, ivela phi le nto?' Ngokwenene, ivela phi le nto? Uthi ngubani?
Q: Ulawulo luthi 'sibeka elubala kangangoko sinakho kukhuseleko lokusebenza.' Awuyamkeli lonto?
DK: Hayi akunjalo. Ndiyathetha ukuba baye baqhubela phambili kwaye abazange benze ityala lokuba oku kube negalelo njani kukhuseleko lwase-US. Njengoko kunjalo, ingxabano ingenziwa ukuba isenza singakhuselekanga ngenxa yokuba endaweni yokujongana nomntu omnye esimbulalayo, siza kujongana nazo zonke izihlobo kunye nezihlobo zabo endleleni. Siyadala, yonke ibhombu esiyiwisayo, yonke imijukujelwa esiyiphehlelelayo, ngokuqinisekileyo kuya kubakho impindezelo. Kwaye impindezelo, uyazi, akukho xesha libekiweyo apha, akukho mda wexesha.
Ndiyathetha, awukwazi ukuzibandakanya kolu hlobo lokuziphatha ngaphandle kokuziphatha, akunakwenzeka kweli hlabathi. Sibeke umda omtsha wobulungisa bobuchwephesha oburhabaxa kakhulu obuqhawule umtshato nomthetho wokuziphatha. Kwaye ke ngoko simema isaqhwithi sokusabela. Kwaye ebomini bam andiyiqondi ukuba kutheni le mibuzo ingaqwalaselwa phambi kokuba singene kule polisi.
Umbuzo: Kwintetho yakhe ye-30 ka-Epreli kwi-drones, umcebisi oyintloko ka-Obama ochasene nobunqolobi uJohn Brennan wathi 'Ukuba sifuna ezinye izizwe zibambelele kwimigangatho ephezulu kunye nengqongqo ngokusetyenziswa kwazo kufuneka senze njalo. Asinakulindela into esingayi kuyenza kwabanye.'
DK: Ndiyijonga ngokwembono yam, njengomntu waseMelika, njengelungu leCongress, siya kwenza ntoni ukuba iChina, okanye iRashiya, okanye i-Iran ithumela i-drone phezu kwe-US? Besiya kusabela njani? Siya kuyibona njengokuba, siza kubona ubukho be-drone phezu kwendawo yethu yomoya njengesenzo semfazwe, akukho mbuzo malunga nayo. Kwaye ukudubula kwedrone kuya kumema impendulo epheleleyo yokuziphindezela. Akukho mbuzo malunga, nabani na owaziyo i-US uyazi ukuba singaphendula njani kuloo nto. Kutheni ke ngoko abalawuli bethu bekholelwa ukuba iMelika inohlobo oluthile lwesikhundla esiphakamileyo? Kutheni sikhuselekile kumthetho wamazwe ngamazwe? Salifumana phi elo lungelo likhethekileyo?
Umbuzo: Esinye isizathu esibekwe phambili kukuba kukho izivumelwano eziyimfihlo, phakathi kwe-US kunye neYemen ngokukodwa kodwa nakwixesha elidlulileyo kunye nePakistan, ngandlela-thile eyenza oku kulungile.
DK: Kulungile makhe sijonge oku kumanqanaba ahlukeneyo. Urhulumente wasePakistan kunye ne-United States banomdlalo odumileyo ophindwe kabini kwaye izizwe zethu zombini zihlala zikhohlisana. Siwuthwele umdlalo ophindwe kabini ukuya kwindlela yobugcisa apho singakwaziyo ukuxela okuyinyani kwakhona. Ngaphandle kwemizimba elele phakathi kwamalahle okutshaya i-drone, yinyani leyo.
Xa kungekho nto elubala okanye ukuphendula oko kwenzeka. Kulula ukuba ilizwe libe nentsebenziswano. Kunzima kakhulu ukuba ilizwe livakalise ukungasebenzisani lize libe nentsebenziswano. Ngenxa yokuba yonke le nto imfiliba singakwazi ukufikelela kuphela kwizigqibo ezivela kwiinyani ezisemhlabeni. Kwaye ezo zibakala ziquka uninzi lwabantu abafileyo. Ke masithi iYemen isicele ukuba senze oku, ngaba kuyalandela ukuba siyasamkela isimemo? Kananjalo ayilandeli ukuba ulawulo luyilandele ngaphandle kweCongress kunye nesibhengezo esifanelekileyo. Kunjalo nakwiPakistan.
Umbuzo: IPakistan ngoku irhoxise ngokugqithisileyo nasiphi na isivumelwano esinokwenzeka, kwaye ngokuphandle ithi 'nceda uyeke ukusiqhumisa ibhombu, oku kuchasene nomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe.' Ukanti ukuqhushumba kwebhombu kusaqhuba. Oku kubonakala ngathi luphuhliso olutsha.
DK: Ewe luphuhliso olutsha. Kwaye ukuba isizwe, esakhe sacela uncedo lwethu, siyakucaphukela uncedo lwethu, ngoko nayiphi na into eyenzekayo ngokufanelekileyo ilahlekelwa ukukhuselwa kwesicelo sentsebenziswano. Kwaye ke iba sisenzo sobundlobongela esichazwe ngokucacileyo. Ke ukuba injengoko iPakistan ithi injalo, kwaye ukuba eneneni iPakistan yenze esi sicelo kwaye yasicela ukuba siyeke kwaye siqhubeke nale bhombu, ke silwa nePakistan. Ndiwuphakamisile lo mbuzo ngaphezu konyaka ophelileyo kwisigqibo samagunya emfazwe kwimfazwe engaphaya kwePakistan. Kwaye oku kwakuxa sasiqala ukunyusa uhlaselo.
Ke ibuyela kwezinye izindululo ezilula apha: I-Charter ye-UN yasekwa ukukhusela ulongamo lwezizwe zonke kunye nokunqanda isibetho semfazwe. I-United States, njengomthathi-nxaxheba kwi-UN, inoxanduva lokungaqhubi. Isizwe ngasinye sinelungelo lokuzikhusela, kodwa asikho isizwe esinelungelo lokuhlasela esinye. Sihlasela ngokucacileyo iPakistan, kunye neYemen, kunye noluhlu lwamazwe amaninzi. Oku kunokukhokelela kuphela kwimfazwe engakumbi. Ngemfazwe, ezi mfazwe, nayiphi na i-drone ngoku i-incendiary esasaza imfazwe ngokubanzi kwaye ikhuthaza abantu abaninzi ukuba bajoyine isizathu sabo baqhankqalaza imigaqo-nkqubo yase-US kwaye bafuna ukwenza ubundlobongela.
Umbuzo: Abagxeki bakho baphikisa ukuba inkqubo ye-drone efihliweyo yeyona ndlela incinci. Ukuba i-drone ibetha iyeka ngomso, i-US iya kukwazi njani ukulawula i-al Qaeda kunye namahlakani abo?
DK: Okokuqala, ngaphambi kokuba kuqaliswe iidrones, ukukwazi kwe-Interpol kunye nabanye ukusebenzisana nee-arhente zobuntlola ukufuna ngenkuthalo abarhanelwa bekungaphelelanga apho. Kwaye kusenokwenzeka ukuba i-US ifumana imida kwindima yayo entsha yokuba lolona polisa lehlabathi. Kwaye ndiza kukuthembisa oku, ukuba abantu baseMelika bayadinwa kukunyathela ityala. Inyani yokuba singayenza kwaye siye sakwazi ukuphepha nayiphi na imibuzo yamazwe ngamazwe malunga nayo ayithethi ukuba ngaxa lithile uluntu lwehlabathi luza kugxila e-US kwaye luphakamise imibuzo malunga nezigqibo ezenziwe ziinkokeli zethu.
Ndiyalithanda eli lizwe, ndiziva ngathi sinohlobo lokuqhawulwa kwengqondo kwisiseko sethu sesizwe. Kwenzeka njani ukuba isizwe, esasekwa phantsi kwemithetho-siseko yolingano ngolu hlobo, sizibone siqhuba inkqubo yokubulala, yenzeka njani loo nto? Saluthabatha njani olo hambo? Ngokucacileyo eli libali lesizwe esiphulukana nendlela yaso kwihlabathi kumxube woloyiko kunye nonxunguphalo. Yile nto indizisele kabini ukuba ndingenele umongameli wase-US, ukucela umngeni koku, kuba ngenene sisiqalo sokutshatyalaliswa kwesizwe sethu ngaphakathi. Asinakuqhubeka sisenza oku, kwaye akukho khuselo loku.
Q: UMedea Benjamin we-Code Pink usandul 'ukuxelela i-Bureau ukuba ukubandakanya abantu base-US ngemfazwe efihlakeleyo kunye nokubulawa okujoliswe kuyo kunzima, kuba kukho i-Democrat kwi-White House.
DK: Yinyani, kodwa yimigaqo-nkqubo kaBush, eqhutywa lolunye ulawulo. Kukho eli qhina elithi 'kutheni uMdemokhrasi engakwazi ukubaleka nento iRiphabhlikhi engenakuze ibaleke nayo?' Kodwa ngokubhekisele ekubeni ndixhalabile ukuba ayilunganga kumsebenzi wam, kukho umgaqo apha. Ukuba siyasilela ukubamba nasiphi na isigqeba esilawulayo okanye naluphi na ulawulo oluphendulayo, ngakumbi kunikwe amandla abanzi isigqeba sase-US esinawo kule mihla, silapha-kwaye sithetha ngokusetyenziswa komkhosi wasemkhosini apha onamandla okubulala abantu - ke singoobani. sibeka esichengeni eminye yemithetho-siseko yethu yedemokhrasi esiyixabisileyo.
Ukubulala kuba lula kakhulu, ngaphandle kwenkqubo yobulungisa ukuyikhokela. Kukuphaphela okuqhutywa ziirobhothi. Eli linge lokungena kummandla onokuthi mhlawumbi udityaniswe nezinto ezithandwa nguMary Shelley kunye no-Edgar Allan Poe, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo hayi nguWashington okanye uJefferson.
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Q: Xa kukho ugwayimbo lwedrone ePakistan ngeengxelo ezithembekileyo zokusweleka kwabantu, asinakufumana nabuphi na ubungqina boku kufa kuxelwe ngamajelo eendaba aseMelika. Ngaba oko kukukhathaza?
DK: Oku kuhambelana nemfazwe yase-Iraq. Asiyonto imbi ukubulala abantu, yindlela embi kuphela ukuthetha ngayo. Nantso ke ingxaki. Mandithi bekukho isiko leentatheli zaseMelika kumaxesha anamhlanje ukuba zisebenze njengabathwali bemikhonto kurhulumente. Zisenokubonakala ngathi ziipeni kodwa le yimikhonto yamanani angaphezu kwamanani anamakhadi eentatheli. Yinto eyenzekayo xa unamaphephandaba ambalwa nambalwa, kunye namaphephandaba abotshelelwe kumdla omkhulu weshishini. Kwaye ukunqongophala kwamaziko aneleyo kumajelo eendaba amakhulu azimisele ukusebenza njenge-counter-balance esebenzayo.
Jonga kwiNew York Times. Yathenga ngexabiso elikhulu kwimfazwe e-Iraq, kwaye yabuya izocela uxolo. Kodwa ulucela njani uxolo ngazo zonke izidumbu kunye namajoni afileyo? Siyawava amajoni afileyo, kodwa kufuneka sive nabemi abaswelekileyo… Kukho utyekelo oluphazamisayo lokungahoyi iingxwelerha zabantu, kuzo naziphi na iimfazwe esibandakanyeka kuzo nokuba zibhengeziwe okanye azichazwanga. Ekuphela kwexesha iingxwelerha zabemi zisetyenziselwa ukuchaza isizathu sokubandakanyeka ngakumbi kwe-US kungquzulwano olufana neSyria. Kukho intetho malunga nokwenzakala kwabantu apho, yimeko ezisola kakhulu eSyria. Kwaye i-US iya phantse yonke imihla ingxelo malunga namaxhoba asekuhlaleni kuba kukho isikhalo sokungenelela. Kodwa apho kungekho mdla wokungenelela, apho kukho umnqweno wokulawula nokuba ngumkhosi, kwezopolitiko, ngobuchule, uya kuwubona wonke umba wokwenzakala kwabantu bengcwatywa.
Kutheni besenza loo nto nje? Ndicinga ukuba abantu base-United States baya kukhwankqiswa ukuba ngokwenene bayaqonda ukuba bangaphi abantu abamsulwa abatshayelwayo kwi-maw yezi mfazwe. Ngoko abantu bavunyelwe nje ukuba balale. Kwaye kuya kubakhathaza kakhulu abantu baseMelika xa bevuka ebuthongweni bajonge kwihlabathi apho kukho imbubhiso kuyo yonke indawo edalwe sisizwe sethu ngaphandle kwenkqubo yomthetho, ngaphandle kwesiseko somgaqo-siseko kwaye ngaphandle kwezizathu ezivakalayo.
Le yinguqulelo ehlelwe kancinci yodliwanondlebe olwenziwa neCongressman Kucinich ngoJuni 21 2012.
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