Ngentsasa ye-13 Septemba 2001, oko ziiyure ezingama-48 emva kweentlekele ezimbi eNew York naseWashington, DC ngoSeptemba 11, ndafumana umnxeba ovela kumvelisi we-Fox Television Network News kwisiXeko saseNew York. Undicele ukuba ndiye kwinkqubo yeTV ye-O'Reilly Factor ngqo ngobo busuku ukuze ndixoxe ngeBill O'Reilly kumbuzo wemfazwe ngokuchasene noxolo. U-O'Reilly uya kuxoxa ukuba i-United States iya emfazweni ngokusabela kuhlaselo lwabanqolobi nge-11 kaSeptemba, kwaye ndingaxoxa ngesisombululo esinoxolo kulo mbandela.
Ukuza kuthi ga ngelo xesha bendisala ngabom izicelo ezininzi zodliwanondlebe malunga neziganeko ezimbi zikaSeptemba 11 nokuba makwenziwe ntoni ngazo kuba bekungekacaci kum ukuba kuqhubeka ntoni. Kodwa ngelishwa i-O'Reilly Factor yayineNqanaba lokuQala kwi-TV yokubukela kuyo nayiphi na inkqubo yeendaba zeendaba eMelika. Ndaziva ndinamandla kakhulu njengombandela wokuba ubuncinci umntu omnye ovela kwi-American Peace Movement kufuneka aye kule nkqubo kwaye axoxe ngetyala ngokuthe ngqo kubantu baseMelika ukuba i-United States yaseMelika mayingayi emfazweni nangona kukho intlekele eyoyikisayo. kwakuthwaliswe thina sonke.
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Ndenze konke okusemandleni am ukuchasa lo Bush Jr. juggernaut yobunihilism. Ekugqibeleni kuya kuba phezu kwabantu baseMelika ukuba bathathe isigqibo ngekamva le-United States of America kwaye ngokungathanga ngqo, ngenxa yamandla amakhulu eMelika, ngokungekho sikweni kwihlabathi liphela.
Ingozi yangoku isahleli kwipolitiki yamandla kaMachiavellian. Ekuphela kweyeza elaziwayo lokunyanga ngumthetho wamazwe ngamazwe, imibutho yamazwe ngamazwe, amalungelo abantu, kunye noMgaqo-siseko waseUnited States. Kwixesha lethu le-thermonuclear, ukhetho olukhoyo lwabantu lolo, luyoyikisayo, kwaye luyanyanzelisa. Njengabantu baseMelika, akufuneki sithandabuze ukusebenzisa le rejimeni iyimfuneko ngokukhawuleza ngaphambi kokuba kube semva kwexesha lokuqhubeka kweentlobo zethu zobuntu ngokwazo.
Ukuphuthuma eMfazweni
BONISA: I-O'REILLY FACTOR (20:29) Septemba 13, 2001 NgoLwesine Transcript # 091303cb.256
ICANDELO: Iindaba; Kwasekhaya
ULENGE: Amazwi e-3973
ISIHLOKO: IMelika iyaManyaniswa: Ngaba i-US ifanele izise njani abanqolobi kuBulungisa?
IINKENDE: USam Huessini, uFrancis Boyle
NGAPHAMBILI: UBill O'Reilly
O'REILLY: Ngelixa uninzi lwabantu baseMelika bemanyene ekuxhaseni kwabo uMongameli Bush kunye nomnqweno wokuzisa u-Osama bin Laden kunye nabanye abanqolobi kubulungisa, kukho amazwi ahlukeneyo.
Ukusijoyina ngoku evela eWashington nguSam Husseini, owayesakuba sisithethi se-Arab Anti - American Anti-Discrimination Committee, kwaye evela e-Urbana, e-Illinois, nguFrancis Boyle, unjingalwazi wezomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe kwiYunivesithi yase-Illinois e-Urbana-Champaign.
O'REILLY: Sika imayikhi yakhe. Kulungile, ngoku, Mnu. Boyle, uNjingalwazi Boyle, makhe sibenengxoxo ethe kratya yengqiqo apha. Yayingekho ngqiqweni loo nto.
I-United States ngoku kufuneka ithathe inyathelo ngokuchasene namacandelo athile kweli hlabathi esaziyo ukuba bebephethe abantu abafana no-Osama bin Laden. Oko kuyakwenzeka. Uya kusabela njani kuloo nto?
UFRANCIS BOYLE, UNJINGALWAZI WEZOMTHETHO: Ewe, kuqala ndicinga ukuba kufuneka ujonge umthetho obandakanyekayo. Ngokucacileyo into esinayo apha, phantsi komthetho wasekhaya wase-United States kunye nemimiselo, sisenzo sobunqolobi bamazwe ngamazwe ekufuneka siphathwe ngolo hlobo. Ayikaphakanyiselwa kwisenzo semfazwe. Ngesenzo semfazwe, sifuna ubungqina bokuba ilizwe langaphandle liyalele okanye liqalise uhlaselo eUnited States of America. Ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, asikabi nabo obo bungqina. Singa…
O'REILLY: Kulungile, ngoku kutheni, kutheni, kutheni uthatha esi sikhundla xa usazi ukuba imikhosi ihlasele i-United States. Ngoku, mhlawumbi abanalo ilizwe, kodwa banamandla. Bahlasele iUnited States, akunjalo? Ngaphandle kwesilumkiso, ngaphandle kokucatshukiswa. Iithagethi zabemi. Bayenze yonke into eyenziwa sisenzo semfazwe.
Ke, nditsho ngenxa yokuba siphila kwihlabathi elahlukileyo ngoku, apho imida ayinamsebenzi, apho ubunqolobi sisixhobo sokuzikhethela, ukuba ungabhengeza imfazwe-ukuba bendinguMongameli Bush, bendiya kubhengeza imfazwe kuyo nayiphi na into. imikhosi enobutshaba, phawula loo mazwi, unjingalwazi, imikhosi echasayo eUnited States. Ndandiza kuba nesibhengezo semfazwe ukuze ndingene ndibabulale abo bantu. Ngaba ndingaphazama?
UBOYLE: Ewe, iBhili, ukuza kuthi ga ngoku uya kuqaphela ukuba iCongress ayifuni ukubhengeza imfazwe. Kwaye ngenene, lo mba kuyaxoxwa ngawo ngoku. Okwangoku, kubonakala ngathi le nto bayifunayo ayisosibhengezo esipheleleyo semfazwe, kodwa kuphela oko thina oonjingalwazi bezomthetho sikubiza ngokuba sisibhengezo esingafezekanga, nto leyo ethetha ukusetyenziswa okulinganiselweyo komkhosi womkhosi phantsi kweSigqibo saMagunya eMfazwe sika-1973.
Ngokuchanekileyo ngengxaki esingaziyo ukuba kukho naliphi na ilizwe elibandakanyekayo kwaye asikazi ukuba ngubani oyena nobangela wohlaselo lobunqolobi olungathandabuzekiyo e-United States of America.
U-O'REILLY: Kulungile, kodwa sinobhala welizwe esithi u-Osama bin Laden ngoku uqhagamshelwe kwaye, uyazi, asinalo lonke ulwazi lobuntlola, njengoko uMongameli Bush etshilo namhlanje. Akayi kusinika, kwaye akafanele, abantu baseMelika lonke ulwazi abanalo. Kodwa xa unobhala welizwe ephakama esithi, jonga, siyazi ukuba lo mfo wayebandakanyekile ukusa kumlinganiselo othile, ndiyamkholelwa.
Kwaye uyindoda efunwayo, unjingalwazi. Ebefunwa iminyaka esibhozo. Ulawulo lukaClinton lwalungenayo intliziyo yokumfumana kwaye kwiinyanga ezimbalwa zokuqala ulawulo lukaBush aluzange lube nayo. Ngoku siyazi, kwaye usanda kuva iarhente ye-FBI isithi i-Afghanistan ithathe inxaxheba iminyaka igcina kwaye iqeqesha ezi ntlobo zabantu. Ngokuqinisekileyo, i-Afghanistan, iSiriya, iLibya, i-Iran, i-Iraq, loo mazwe amahlanu, ngokuqinisekileyo aye aphikisana ne-United States kwaye anikwe ichweba elikhuselekileyo kula maphekula. Yinyani leyo.
UBOYLE: Ewe, mandikubonise, unobhala welizwe wayewalumke kakhulu kumagama awayewasebenzisa. Uthe u-Osama bin Laden wayengumrhanelwa. Akazange amtyhole. Kwaye, kwakhona, phantsi kwezi meko ...
O'REILLY: Hayi, khange asebenzise igama elithi umrhanelwa. Wasebenzisa elinye igama.
BOYLE: Le account ndifunde kuyo, ndiphuma nje kwinkonzo yocingo, utshilo umrhanelwa. Kodwa mandiqhubeke nengongoma yam. Phantsi kwezi meko, apho sine-5,000 yaseMelika efileyo kwaye sinokuba nabantu abaninzi baseMelika ababulewe kungquzulwano, kufuneka silumke kakhulu, iCongress kunye nabantu baseMelika kunye nomongameli, ukuba singanyusi ngaphezulu intetho, apha.
Kufuneka sijonge oku ngengqiqo kakhulu. Le yidemokhrasi. Sinelungelo lokubona ukuba buyintoni na ubungqina kwaye siqhubeke ngokucotha kakhulu nangendlela eyiyo.
O'REILLY: Hayi, asifuni. Asinalo, njengeriphabliki, asinalo ilungelo lokubona ukuba yintoni ubungqina ukuba ubungqina bukwimeko yokhuseleko lwesizwe, njengoko uyazi.
Ngoku, ndiyamthemba urhulumente wam ukuba enze into elungileyo, apha. Ndiyathemba. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba akukho mathandabuzo ngoku, ngaphandle kwamathandabuzo afanelekileyo, oko kukuthi, njengoko usazi, umgangatho wenkundla yomthetho, ukuba kukho ubuncinci ezintlanu, iNorth Korea onokuthi ubeke kuyo, amazwe amathandathu emhlabeni gqolo ukubamba aba banqolobi.
Ngoku, siyazi ukuba lo ibiyinzame elungelelaniswe kakuhle. Ubukrelekrele bethu bokuqala bubonisa ukuba abanye abantu ababanjiweyo banobudlelwane no-Osama bin Laden. Siyazi, njengoko usiva nje i-arhente ye-FBI isithi, ukuba ibhombu ye-1993 ye-World Trade Centre yayibotshelelwe kumfana owayemazi u-bin Laden. Ke, bin Laden - ndivumelana nawe, ukuba awufuni ukuba ngumntu oshushu. Awufuni kusabela ngokugqithisileyo. Awufuni kubamba umjukujelwa kwiplanti yamayeza eSudan, eyayimbi kakhulu, kwaye yayiyeyona ndawo ilungileyo, okanye inqaku elilungileyo, elenziwe nguMnu. Husseini, awufuni kuyenza loo nto.
Kodwa, kwelinye icala, unjingalwazi, ndicinga ukuba abantu baseMelika balungile, banyanisile, ukuba bafune inyathelo ngokuchasene namazwe esaziyo ukuba kwixesha elidlulileyo babaphethe aba bantu kwaye kukho isigunyaziso sokubanjwa kuka-Osama bin Laden. Ke, ukuba use-Afghanistan, ndingamnika urhulumente iintsuku ezimbalwa ukuba amnikezele, kwaye ukuba akenzanga, ndingangena.
BOYLE: Ewe, kwakhona. Abantu baseMelika banyanisile. Kufuneka sibone ubungqina. Ndikhumbula abantu besithi kwisizukulwana esidlulileyo, ngexesha lemfazwe yaseVietnam, ndandimthembile urhulumente wam. Kwaye ndiyacinga ukuba abantu besizukulwana sam bafumanise ukuba oko kwakuphosakele. Sasifuna ubungqina obungakumbi.
O'REILLY: Kulungile. Njingalwazi, mandikumise apho, nangona kunjalo. Le yenye ingongoma uMnu Husseini azame ukuyiveza. Kungenxa yokuba iUnited States of America yenze iimpazamo kwixesha elidluleyo, oko akuthethi ukuba asinako ukuzikhusela ngoku.
Le yimeko ekhethekileyo embalini. Ngoku sihlaselwe yimikhosi engenamida, Kulungile? Siye sahlaselwa. Kwaye akukhange kube luhlaselo lomkhosi, luhlaselo lwabemi. Isizathu, esona sizathu sokuba urhulumente wobumbano abekhona kukukhusela abantu base-United States.
Kwaye njengoko benditshilo kwimemo yam ethi "Amanqaku okuThetha", abawenzanga ngenene umsebenzi, ngenxa yezizathu zopolitiko.
Kodwa ngoku lixesha lokulungisa ezo zinto. Ke, kuya kubakho ukubala, uNjingalwazi. Uyazi ukuba kuyakwenzeka. Ndiyazi ukuba kuyakwenzeka. Kwaye iza kuhla ku-Osama bin Laden kuqala kwaye mhlawumbi ezinye zezi zizwe ze-rouge kamva. Ngaba uya kulixhasa elo nyathelo?
UBOYLE: Phambi kokuba ndixhase imfazwe eza kube ibeka emngciphekweni ubomi bamashumi amawaka amajoni nabafazi bethu, ndifuna ukubona ubungqina esithembele kubo ukuthethelela oku. Ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, andiyiboni. Ndibona izityholo. Ndibona inkohliso. Ndibona ii-winks kwaye ndibona ukunqwala, kodwa andiboni bungqina obudingayo phantsi komthetho wamazwe ngamazwe kunye nomgaqo-siseko wase-United States ukuza kuthi ga ngoku ukuya emfazweni. Mhlawumbi obo bungqina buya kubakho, kodwa abukho ngoku.
Isindululo sam kwiCongress kukuthoba isantya, makhe sibone ukuba yintoni eqhubekayo kwaye masibone ukuba buyintoni obu bungqina phambi kokuba siphume sisazi kwaye singabulali nje inani elikhulu labantu, mhlawumbi e-Afghanistan nakwamanye amazwe, kodwa ngokungathandabuzekiyo kwimikhosi yethu exhobileyo.
Amadoda angama-58,000 esizukulwana sam aya kubulala eVietnam ngenxa yokungakhathali ngabalawuli bakaJohnson bengxamele eso sigqibo seTonkin Gulf ngeCongress, kanye le nto siyibonayo ngoku. Kwaye kufuneka sihlehle kwaye sime kwaye sicinge kwaye sibuze imibuzo enzima kwaye sifune ukubona ubungqina kuqala, ngaphambi kokuba sihambe siye emfazweni.
U-O'REILLY: Kulungile, ngoko ke akwanelanga ukuba abantu ababanjwe kwiibhombu ze-ambassade e-Afrika banike ubungqina enkundleni ukuba u-Osama bin Laden wayesemva kwaye wayexhasa ngemali kwaye eququzelela ezo ziqhushumbisi. Obo bungqina abanelanga kuwe?
UBOYLE: Ewe, iAfrika libali elahluke kakhulu kunelo lenzeka kwiWorld Trade Center.
O'REILLY: Hayi, akunjalo. Uyafunwa, ufunwa eUnited States ngenxa yokuqhushumba kwezo ofisi zimbini. Ngaba obo bungqina banele kuwe, Njingalwazi, ukuba i-United States ingene kwaye ithathe le ndoda? Ngaba kwanele?
UBOYLE: Oko, loo mbandela waphathwa kwaye waphathwa njengesenzo sobugrogrisi bamazwe ngamazwe ngokuhambelana nemithetho eqhelekileyo kunye neenkqubo ze-United States of America njengombuzo wokuthotyelwa komthetho wasekhaya nakwamanye amazwe. Kwaye ndicebisa ukuba le yindlela ekufuneka siqhube ngayo apha…
O'REILLY: Ewe, yima. Uyawuphepha lombuzo unjingalwazi.
BOYLE:… ngaphandle kokuba sinobungqina bokuba…
O'REILLY: Yima, unjingalwazi. UNjingalwazi. Oku akukho zowuni spin. Yibambe. Yibambe. Nangaphandle e-Urbana Champagne, akukho mithetho ye-spin zone. Uyawuphepha umbuzo. Kukho iwaranti eqinileyo yokubanjwa kwale ndoda. Ubungqina enkundleni, ubungqina babantu abenze iziqhushumbisi bokuba ngulo mfo usemva kwayo. Ngaba obo bubungqina obaneleyo bokuba i-United States ingene kwaye imfumane ngoku? Ngaba kwanele?
UBOYLE: I-United States izama ukukhusela ukukhutshwa kwakhe e-Afghanistan. Ndiyaxhasa...
O'REILLY: Ewe, lide ngokwaneleyo.
BOYLE: Ndiyayixhasa loo ndlela njengamazwe ngamazwe...
O'REILLY: Yiza sele, ndithetha, iminyaka esibhozo, sizama ukukhupha lo mfo. Ngoku lixesha lokuxelela ama-Afghans ukuba uneeyure ezingama-48 okanye iiyure ezingama-72 zokumjika. Animjiki, siyangena simthatha. Uzama ukusinqanda, kwaye uyathobeka. Kwanele ngokwaneleyo, unjingalwazi.
BOYLE: Kukuphaphela oko. Ayisiyiyo le nto i-United States of America imele ukuba iyimele. Kufuneka sime...
O'REILLY: Hayi, yintoni leyo ekhusela ilizwe kubanqolobi ababulala abantu.
UBOYLE: ... kulawulo lomthetho.
O'REILLY: Asikuko ukuphaphama.
UBOYLE: Simele ukuba simele umthetho, kwaye oko kukubonakalisa ngokucacileyo. Kukho iBhunga lezoKhuseleko, kukho iCongress, kukho iinkqubo kwaye kukho imithetho, kwaye zikho ukuze zisikhusele sonke apha e-United States kunye ...
O'REILLY: Ke, undixelela ...
BOYLE: … kunye nabasebenzi bethu kunye nabasetyhini. Jonga, Bill, ukuba sinokuthi, njengokuba usitsho, ngena, awuzukungena, andiyi kungena. Iyakuba ngabafana nabafazi abasebatsha abasebenza kwimikhosi yethu exhobileyo…
O'REILLY: Kwaye ngumsebenzi wabo lowo. Ukusikhusela. Kodwa, Njingalwazi, ndivumele, uyazi, le nto uyithethayo, yho, yho, yho, yibambe. Yibambe. Yibambe. Yibambe.
B0YLE: … kunye nomgaqo-siseko kunye nemithetho yase-United States.
O'REILLY: Asophuli nayiphi na imithetho apha, unjingalwazi. Akukho mntu uya kwaphula umthetho. Kuzakubakho imeko yemfazwe eyenzelwe ngokuchasene namazwe, amazwe, amazwe anobugrogrisi, athe asihlasela. Kwaye le nto uyithethayo, nangona kunjalo, kwaye undilungise ukuba ndiyaphazama, uthi nangona kukho isigunyaziso esisemthethweni sokubanjwa kuka-Osama bin Laden, kwaye nangona uninzi lwezizwe eziphucukileyo ziya kuhlonela loo myalelo kwaye zijike. wamdlulisela kuthi, amkhuphele kuthi, uninzi lwezizwe ezisemhlabeni ziyakwenza oko, usachasa ukuba i-United States ifune ukuba urhulumente weTaliban abambe le ndoda kwaye imjikise? Ngaba uyayichasa loo nto?
UBOYLE: Ngexesha leMfazwe yeGulf, uMongameli Bush utata, onamava ngakumbi ukuba umongameli wangoku uBush, wafumana isigqibo seBhunga lezoKhuseleko eligunyazisa i-United States of America ukuba isebenzise amandla ukugxotha i-Iraq eKuwait. Okwesibini, uMongameli uBush utata wafumana iSigqibo sokuGunyanyiswa kwaMandla eMfazwe kwiCongress eyamnika igunya lomgaqo-siseko lokusebenzisa umkhosi ukunyanzelisa eso sigqibo seBhunga lezoKhuseleko.
Into endiyibizayo apha kukuthotyelwa okufanayo kumthetho wamazwe ngamazwe kunye nomgaqo-siseko wase-United States awathi uMongameli uBush wokuqala wabambelela kuwo xa wayesebenzisana ne-Iraq.
O'REILLY: Ewe, uya kuyifumana loo nto, unjingalwazi. Yinto nje eqhelekileyo leyo. Akho-akukho mntu eCapitol Hill ngoku, abazukuya-akukho phrofayili yesibindi apho, ngokwesiqhelo. Baza kunika uMongameli Bush into ayifunayo. Ukuba ufuna i-War Powers Act, baya kumnika yona. Ufuna isibhengezo, baya kumnika sona.
BOYLE: Nyhani bayaxambulisana ngayo ngoku...
O'REILLY: Baza kumnika. Kodwa andinamdla kuloo nto, kuba izakwenzeka. Kuya kwenzeka.
UBOYLE: Iingxelo-hayi, iingxelo endizifundileyo yayikukuba lo Mongameli Bush waqala wacela itshekhi engenanto, kwaye iCongress yarhoxa ngenxa yokuba babekhe bancanca kanye ngaphambili…
O'REILLY: Kulungile, andikho - intelekelelo ayisiyiyo le nto ndikuyo - kulungile, njingalwazi. Andifuni kuqikelela. Ndiza kuthetha nje ngombono wam uya kuba negunya lokungena kwaye athathe u-Osama bin Laden kunye nabahlobo bakhe, naphi na apho bakhoyo. Uya kufumana elo gunya, nokuba kuthatha usuku okanye iveki, uya kulifumana. Kwaye xa sele eyifumene, ngoku, yiloo nto endifuna ukuthetha ngayo apha. Nje ukuba uyifumene, ngaba wena kunye nabanye abafana nawe niza kuthi, owu, hayi, akufuneki siyenze le nto, nangona sinobungqina bendoda - ibambe iibhombu eAfrika naseCole, ubungqina eYemen, ngaba ukhona sisaya kuthi, nasemva kokuba igunya linikezelwe yiCongress, eya kuba yiyo, hayi, ungayenzi, vumela iAfghanistan imphathe?
Ngaba useza kuyenza loo nto, unjingalwazi?
UBOYLE: Okwesibini, njengoyise, utata wakhe naye wafumana isigunyaziso e-United States, iBhunga lezoKhuseleko leZizwe eziManyeneyo phantsi kwesahluko sesixhenxe somnqophiso weZizwe eziManyeneyo…
O'REILLY: Oh, ufuna ukuya e-UN ngoku? Ufuna i-UN ibandakanyeke ngoku.
BOYLE: Yinto kanye le yenziwa ngutata wakhe...
O'REILLY: Yintoni ke?
BOYLE: Injalo kanye.
O'REILLY: Uyise wenza impazamo enkulu ngokungamkhuphi uSadam Hussein xa wayekwazi.
UBOYLE: Uyise wabambelela kwiinkqubo ezifunekayo phantsi komgaqo-siseko wase-United States kunye nomqulu weZizwe eziManyeneyo osisivumelwano kunye nomthetho ophakamileyo welizwe lethu. Ndilindele ukuba uMongameli Bush wangoku enze kanye into eyenziwa nguyise ngaphambi kokuba aqalise ukuzibandakanya kwiphulo elikhulu lomkhosi e-Iraq okanye kwamanye amazwe ...
U-O'REILLY: Kulungile, andazi nokuba uza kuhamba - ndiyazi ukuba akazukuyivumela i-UN ukuba iyalele. Unokuya kwimvumelwano. Usele efumene kunye noPutin kunye nabo bonke abalingani bethu be-NATO, sele sele ehamba loo nto. Nokuba uyahamba - ndicinga ukuba kuya kuba yimpazamo ukuvumela - ukuxhobisa i-UN kule meko.
BOYLE: Yhini uyise enze lento?
U-O'REILLY: Ndiyahamba - siza kuyigqiba ngale nto. Ndiza kunika isishwankathelo sam sokugqibela kwaye ke unganika eyakho, ndiza kukunika igama lokugqibela kuyo.
Ngumbaleki lo sijongene naye apha. Ngoku ubotshelelwe zii-arhente zobuntlola zase-US, ngokutsho kweGqwetha Jikelele u-Ashcroft kunye nonobhala welizwe, bebotshelelwe kolu hlaselo loyikekayo apha eNew York. I-United States kufuneka yenze impendulo kule nto, kwaye ndiyavumelana nawe ngandlela ithile, ayinakuba yidolo. Kufuneka kwenziwe ngendlela ecwangcisiweyo.
ICongress iya kuhamba, banokuxoxa ngayo okanye nantoni na, kodwa baya kuhamba kunye nokuba yiMfazwe Amandla, uMthetho weMfazwe okhethekileyo okanye isibhengezo semfazwe ngokuchasene nemikhosi e-United States. Baza kungena ke bamthathe. Le ndoda uyijongileyo kwiscreen seTV ngumntu ofileyo. Ufanele ukuba ngumntu ofileyo. Aniyenzi into ayenzileyo nize nivunyelwe ukuba niwujikeleze umhlaba.
Ngoku, ndikhathazekile, Njingalwazi, ngokuthembela kwakho, ukuthembela kwileta engqongqo yokufaneleka, xa sine-10,000 yabantu abalele esitratweni malunga neekhilomitha ezingama-22 ukusuka kum ngoku. Ndifuna ingcebiso. Ndifuna uqeqesho lwemethodical, kodwa ndifuna isenzo. Siyazi ukuba ngubani lo mfo. Siyabazi oorhulumente abamkhuselayo. Siyazi ezinye ii-rouge states ezineenkampu zabanqolobi apho. Zonke kufuneka zijongwe, ngokokubona kwam. Ndiza kukunika ilizwi lokugqibela.
UBOYLE: Ewe, ndivumelana nawe, Bill. Ungumbaleki kubulungisa kwaye oku kufuneka kusingathwe njengomba njengabanye abaqhweshi kubulungisa bonyanzeliso lomthetho wamazwe ngamazwe. Ukuba eneneni kukho ubungqina bokuba ilizwe langaphandle lilungelelanise kwaye layalela ukuba kuhlaselwe i-United States ngoko ngokucacileyo sisenzo semfazwe ekufuneka kujongwe ngaso…
O'REILLY: kuthekani nge-harbour?
BOYLE: ngoku...
U-O'REILLY: Ngaba ukubamba sisenzo semfazwe?
BOYLE: Ngokombono wam, hayi. Kwaye phantsi kweemeko zangoku, andiyiboni.
O'REILLY: Kulungile, unjingalwazi.
BOYLE: Ndicinga ukuba kukho umahluko apha.
O'REILLY: Kulungile, kulungile, yisonge, ukuba uyafuna.
UBOYLE: Ndiyavuma - ndiyavuma ukuba - ukuba siya emfazweni ngokukhawuleza apha, sinokubona amawaka amajoni ase-US ebulawa ngaphandle kokugunyaziswa okufanelekileyo yiCongress okanye iBhunga loKhuseleko lweZizwe eziManyeneyo.
O'REILLY: Kulungile.
UBOYLE: Oobawo bethu abaseki bagqiba kwelokuba esona sigqibo simangalisayo sinokusenza kukuya emfazweni, kwaye kufuneka silumke kakhulu ekwenzeni eso sigqibo.
O'REILLY: Kulungile, Njingalwazi, ndiyayibulela kakhulu. Enkosi ngombono wakho.
BOYLE: Enkosi, Bill.