Sarah Kendzior waxay ku nooshahay oo wax ka qortaa bartamaha Ameerika, wixii ay u kuur gashayna, waddanku wuxuu qarka u saaran yahay inuu qarxo. Suxufigu waxa uu sheegayaa Waa maxay Sababtu Jeff Schechtman that the election of Donald Trump is but the opening act. Racism, white supremacy and violence are all bubbling very close to the surface, and scapegoating will add fuel to the fire.
Not only have stores and plants closed, but locally based journalism has all but disappeared. In the resulting information vacuum the influence of inflammatory cable and right-wing national media as well as fake news is huge. As a close observer of Trump Country, Kendzior paints a grim and almost hopeless picture of where the nation as a whole is going.
Jeff Schechtman: Ku Soo Dhawoow Radio WhoWhatWhy. Waxaan ahay Jeff Schechtman.
Watching the past week, post-Election Day has been like watching a car wreck. We know we shouldn’t look, but we can’t help but be curious. The key difference here is that the wreck affects us, the clown car or transition planning gives us some idea of how we will all be impacted over the next four years. The president said earlier this week that this is simply one of the zig zags of history; that often things have gotten worse before they get better. Certainly from a historical perspective, that’s true, but what does it mean for America and the world of the 21st qarniga? Maalin walba, waxaynu maqalnaa xeeldheerayaasha siyaasadda oo ka hadlaya waxa dhacay iyo sababta, qaarna waa kuwo wanaagsan oo caqli-gal ah, laakiin intooda badani waxay ka yimaadaan dad isku mid ah oo aan arkin dhammaan soo socda.
Martidaydu maanta, Sarah Kendzior waxay ku nooshahay dhexdeeda, gudaha badhtamaha Ameerika. Waxay wax badan ka qortay maadooyinka jinsiyadda iyo fasalka iyo doorka Ameerika ee adduunka. Waxa ay dhawaan daabacday buug ka mid ah qormadeeda oo cinwaankeedu ahaa. Aragtida ka socota Dalka Flyover oo waxay u qortaa tiir joogta ah Globe and Mail. Waxaa farxad ii ah inaan Sarah Kendzior ku soo dhaweeyo Radio WhoWhatWhy. Sarah, aad baad ugu mahadsantahay inaad nagu soo biirtay.
Sarah Kendzior: Oh, waad ku mahadsan tahay inaad i haysato.
Jeff Schechtman: As you look out at what drove us to what we’ve been dealing with since Election Day, one of the things I know you’ve written about and talked about is the fact that the predicate for this has been with us for a long time. This isn’t something that just happened in the past year or the past year and a half during the campaign; that events that brought us to where we are today have been brewing for a long time. Talk about that.
Sarah Kendzior: Yes, that’s true in multiple respects. In terms of Trump and his popular support, I do live out in St. Louis in Missouri and the recession never ended here. People are extremely frustrated with their economic situation and it’s been very difficult for people to hold onto middle class jobs and so that kind of popular economic discontent that both Trump and Sanders, and eventually Clinton heavily emphasized is important. It’s not the only thing. Obviously, Trump has run a very racist and bigoted campaign; sort of white nationalist campaign reminiscent of dictators. I should note that I do live in Missouri, so I have this perspective but I also have a Ph.D. in anthropology where I studied dictatorships, particularly post-Soviet dictatorships like Uzbekistan, so I’m an expert in that field as well. Many of the things that Trump did throughout his campaign reminded me very much of the dictators that I’ve studied in terms of his demagoguery, his use of spectacle, manipulation of the media and his manipulation of the masses. Those who voted for him, I think have signed on for something that they don’t really want. I don’t think he’s going to fulfill his promises to them in order to improve their economic livelihood or keep them safer. I, in fact, think the opposite is going to happen. That’s true because he has frankly stated so, including long before the election. For example, in February 2014, Trump went on Fox News to talk about Russia – which we should return to this because it’s very interesting that a reality TV show host would be on TV talking about Russian foreign policy in 2014 – but another thing he said during then, the interview was that in order for America to go back to where it was, to go back to being great, we need total economic collapse and we need riots. He explicitly called for this. His chief advisor and advisor throughout his campaign, Steve Bannon, who is an extreme white supremacist who runs Breitbart Media, which is a conspiratorial, right wing site, has also said similar things. He described himself as a Leninist who wants to destroy the state but I wouldn’t really describe him as a Leninist as much as an accelerationist, which is also what I would describe Trump. So there’s so many factors going into this and it’s a little bit head spinning but I’ve been tracking it all year. I became very worried throughout the year that Trump would indeed win; I know the polls said he wouldn’t but I noticed both the genuine popular support that I saw among people here in the center of the country but also a lot of manipulative tactics that remind me very much of how dictators take power, so I think it’s important to take a full look at everything that happened and really investigate because what we will deal with in the future is very dire and I think we should try our best to stop it.
Jeff Schechtman: Wax yar ka sheekee waxa aad ka maqli lahayd dadka ku nool dalkaaga, badhtamaha dalka oo ku saabsan waxyaalaha laga filayo; Waxa ay u maleynayaan inay dhici doonto ilaa xad haddii ay u codeeyeen Trump si fudud sababtoo ah waxay rabeen inay wax gilgilaan ama sababtoo ah waxay runtii filayeen inay si uun noloshooda u wanaajiso?
Sarah Kendzior: Hagaag, waxaan dhex maray isu soo baxyo badan oo Trump ah iyo kulamo badan oo shaah ah oo Trump ku yeeshay Missouri iyo waliba Illinois sanadka oo dhan. I didn’t go as a journalist, I went as a member of the crowd and people would talk to me pretty openly because they thought I was a fellow Trump supporter. Hal shay oo u baahan in la caddeeyo ayaa ah in tani aysan ahayn koox dad ah oo keli ah. Waxaa jira dad runtii aad u neceb, oo soogalootiga neceb, oo cunsuri ah; waxaas oo dhan ayaa jira. Waxaa jira kuwa kale oo aad u quus ah. Waxay dareemayaan in baahidooda aysan wax ka qaban xisbiga Dimuqraadiga, Obama iyo inta badan GOP sidoo kale. Waxaan u maleynayaa in tani ay tahay mid sax ah. Laga soo bilaabo 2008, waxay ahayd halgan ku noolaanshaha halkan iyo si loo helo nolol maalmeed. Waxaan u maleynayaa in aan mareyno heer ay dadku aad u niyad jabaan oo aad u cadhoodaan oo ay diyaar u yihiin inay dhegaystaan qof kasta oo si firfircoon u sheegaya inuu ka welwelayo daryeelkooda, inuu dib u soo celin doono noloshooda markii ay fiicnaan lahayd. , gaar ahaan in ay heli lahaayeen shaqooyin joogto ah oo ay mar kale shaqeeyaan iyo dareenka badbaadada iyo ka mid noqoshada nolosha Maraykanka. Dareenkaas waa mid aad loo fahmi karo. Donald Trump ma doonayo inuu sidaas sameeyo. Runtii ma fahmayo mana daneeyo dadka ku nool qaybtan dalka. Waxa uu noloshiisii oo dhan ku lahaa bilyaneer saameyn weyn ku leh iyo saameyn siyaasadeed si uu u daryeesho waxa ku dhacaya dadka halkan jooga iyo waxa uu sameeyay oo dhan waa inuu dadka ruxo. Waxa uu ku sameeyay meel kasta; meel kasta oo ka Atlantic City in Gary Indiana. He’s about to shake down the entire country in a very kleptocratic way. Waxay ila tahay in kheyraadka la kala wareejiyo, iyadoo aan shaqo la keenin, iyadoo dadka la dareensiiyo rajo-beel badan – rajo-beelka noocaas ah wuxuu horseedi karaa rabshado isirnimo waxayna horseedi kartaa dambiyo nacayb ah, gaar ahaan marka si cad loogu soo jeediyo dembiyada nacaybka ee maamulka . Shaqaalaysiinta Steve Bannon iyo kuwa kale, wuxuu sheegay in tani ay tahay dhaqan la mamnuucay hadda; in ay caadi tahay in madaxweynaha uu taageero Ku Klux Klan, in aad uga bixi karto in dadka aan caddaanka ahayn loola dhaqmo si gebi ahaan bahdil, naxariis darro ah oo inta badan waxashnimo ah. Ballanqaadkiisa, waa inaan ka filnaa inuu fuliyo. Dad badan ayaa ka shakiyay inuu samayn doono waxyaabo ay ka mid yihiin inuu sameeyo liiska Muslimiinta ama uu sameeyo masaafurinta ballaaran sababtoo ah kuwan waa noocyada ka mid ah xeeladaha ka dhacay kali talisnimada. Kuwani waa waxyaabaha aan ka dhicin Maraykanka. Xad-gudubyo ayaa naga soo maray Maraykanka, laakiin inta badan waxaanu door bidnaa in aanaan ka hadlin ama aan si cad ugu faanin. Waxa uu si cad u sheegay in uu tan samayn doono, waxa uu sheegay ololaha oo dhan oo uu hadda samaynayo qorshayaashan. Markaa waxaynu ku jirnaa xaalad aad u fool xun oo aan isleeyahay dhaqaale ahaan waanu hoos u dhici doonaa. Waxaan u maleynayaa in qof walba uu silcin doono, haddii aad u codeysay Trump iyo haddii aadan adigu u codeynin. Waxaa laga yaabaa inuu isku dayo inuu dadka meeleeyo bilowga hore isaga oo tuuraya shaqooyinka qaarkood, laga yaabee in loo maro mashaariicda kaabayaasha laakiin waxay u muuqataa inay caddahay kooxdiisu in hadafka - sida aad ku aragtay wadamada kale ee adduunka oo dhan, ay tahay inaad isku daydo inaad sameyso wax badan. Lacag uu naftiisa iyo saaxiibadiis ku helo inta uu awoodo isaga oo adeegsanaya oo ku takri-falaya awoodaha fulinta si uu hantida qaranka uga xayuubiyo una fuliyo falalka musuq-maasuqa ah ee uu haysto oo in badan oo ka mid ah aynaan ogayn sababta oo ah cashuurtiisa ma sii daynayo. soo noqda. Markaa waa inaan u diyaargarownaa isbeddel dhaqaale oo aad u daran.
Jeff Schechtman: When many of these promises aren’t kept, when the lives of people in that part of the country don’t improve, are we going to see scapegoating that goes on in your view?
Sarah Kendzior: Haa, gabi ahaanba. Taasi waa wax aan aad uga walaacsanahay. Waxaan u maleynayaa in hadda, dadka u codeeyay Trump ay si cad ugu faraxsan yihiin inuu guuleystay. Qaar waa dad caadi ah oo ku faraxsan in musharraxadoodu ay ku guuleysteen inay garaacaan Hillary Clinton, laakiin qaar kale - waxaan aragnay koror weyn oo dembiyada nacaybka ah. Waxaan u maleynayaa mid ka mid ah taariikhda ugu weyn ee dalka tan iyo markii ay bilaabeen dabagalka tan: toddobaad ka dib doorashada. Wax walba; Laga soo bilaabo swastikas oo lagu rinjiyeeyay meelo si "Mareykanka mar kale looga dhigo cadaan" dadka la garaaco oo la cagajugleeyo, carruurta lagu caayo fasalada si loogu hanjabo Muslimiinta iyo Yuhuuda, waa wax aad looga xumaado. Ma muuqato fal-celin badan oo dawladeenu ka qabto joojinta. Hogaamiyayaasha si adag ugama hadlayaan wax yar oo ka reeban, waxaana u maleynayaa inay aad u xiiso badan tahay in mid ka mid ah kuwa ka reeban yahay Harry Reid, oo ka tagaya dawladda. Wuxuu u hadlay si xooggan. Haddaba waxa aad is waydiinaysaa maxay Obama iyo madaxda kaleba u xoog badan yihiin marka ay jirto xaalad khatar ah oo ka imanaysa madaxweynaha la doortay ee kooxdan celceliska muwaadiniinta Maraykanka iyo in khatartan loo fuliyo qaab dad badan iyo ugu dambeyntii waxaa lagu fulin doonaa sharciga laftiisa; oo leh awoodda fulinta lafteeda. Waxaan filayaa maadaama uu ballan-qaadkiisa fulin waayo, shaqaduna aanay halkan ku soo noqon oo haddii dhaqaalihii la diido, dadka dhibaataysanna ay bataan, uu ku dhiirri-gelinayo sidii uu ololaha ugu jiray oo dhan, si uu u raadiyo. Calooshood-u-shaqaystayaashaasi waxay noqon doonaan Muslimiin, Meksiko iyo cid kasta oo kale oo uu rabo inuu ku eedeeyo dhibaatadan. Warbaahintu runtii tani waa ay hoos u dhigtay. Waxa ay ciyaareen tan oo dhan ololihii oo dhan, oo ay ku jiraan dhacdooyin waaweyn sida laba toddobaad ka hor doorashada, koox taageere Trump ah ayaa FBI-du xirtay iyaga oo dhisayay hub wax gumaada oo ay ku qarxiyeen guri dabaq ah oo ay degan yihiin Soomaali ku nool Kansas. Taasi aniga waxay ii tahay sheeko weyn oo qurux badan. Bal ka soo qaad haddii ay taasi si kale u ahaan lahayd oo ay koox Soomaali ah oo Muslim ah ay ku tashadeen in ay qarxiyaan dhismo ay leeyihiin Kansaniyiin caddaan ah. Waxay noqon lahayd meel kasta, laakiin xitaa ma aqaan haddii aad maqashay, ma aqaano haddii dhegaystayaashaadu ay maqleen, laakiin waad fiirin kartaa. Kansas City Star ayaa si qurux badan u dabooshay. Markaa waxaa jira wax jira oo in badan oo arrintan ka mid ah aad mooddo in ay saxaafaddu cunaqabataynayso, oo ay dawladdu cunaqabataynayso oo ay aad u xasuusinayso kali-taliyayaashii hore iyo kuwa hadda joogaba oo aan filayo in ay tahay dhibaato degdeg ah. Waxaan u maleynayaa inay tahay wax dowladda iyo shacabka, dadka aaminsan qiyamka Mareykanka; in aynu xorowno, aynu nabad galno, aynu isku ixtiraamno muwaadinnimo oo aynu ixtiraamno xuquuqda muwaadinka. Cid kasta oo arrinkaas danaynaysa hadda waa in ay aad u werwertaa oo ay la xidhiidhaan wakiilladooda oo ay ka hadlaan oo isku dayaan in ay ururiyaan abaabul ka dhan ah naxariis-darrada noocan ah ee la oggolaaday, haddii ay suurtogal tahay.
Jeff Schechtman: Wax badan ayaa laga qoray heerka ay dadka ku nool labada xeebba aysan runtii fahmin sida ay noloshu tahay Flyover Country. Wax yar ayaad ka hadashay taas. Ma dareen baa ka jira dadka ku dhaqan dhulkaas, badhtamaha dalka; Maxaa dhacay, maxaa isbeddelaya, sida dunidu isu beddeshay marka la eego magaalooyinka iyo magaalooyinka Ameerika?
Sarah Kendzior: Hal shay oo ay tahay in aan si toos ah u sheego waa in aynaan halkan sidoo kale ahayn monolith. St. Louis way ka duwan tahay magaalo yar oo Missouri ah. Missouri way ka duwan tahay Nebraska. Mararka qaarkood, waxaa jira u janjeera dhanka xeebta ah in naloola dhaqmo sidii Dalal Flyover ah oo ay noogula dhaqmaan sidii kuwo aan kala sooc lahayn. Gobolka waxa naga dhexeeya waa haa, tabashadayadiina waa la iska indhatiray, waa muddo dheer. Waxaan ku sugnaa Rust Belt, oo ah magaalo ku taal Midwestern oo ay aad u saamaysay hoos u dhaca dhaqaalaha, waxaanan wax ka qorayay taas oo aan diiwaangelinayey muddo dheer mana u malaynayo in xeebaha ay fahmaan. Meherad badan ayaanu halkan ku waynay kadib hoos u dhacii balse mid ka mid ah meheradaha aanu khasaaray waxa ka mid ahaa warbaahinta. Waxaa jira hoos u dhac cajiib ah oo lagu sameeyay wargeysyada maxalliga ah, gaar ahaan magaalooyinka yaryar laakiin xitaa magaalooyinka waaweyn sida St. Louis halkaas oo waraaqaha ay si dhib yar u laadlaadsan yihiin. Taas oo haysa xog badan oo soo baxaysa oo maroorsanaysa sheeko-sheeggii qaranka. Dadku waxay aad ugu tiirsan yihiin xarumaha wararka ee cable-ka, xarumaha wararka qaranka. Hadda, mid ka mid ah afartii wariye ayaa hadda ku nool saddex magaalo oo xeebta ah oo qaali ah. Marka taasi dhacdo, waxaad helaysaa aragti aad u qalloocan oo qalloocan oo ku saabsan waxa celceliska Maraykanku la kulmayo. Waxaan u maleynayaa in tani ay dadka ugu timaado dareen la'aan, aad bay u niyad jabaan. Waxay dareemayaan in walaacooda sharciga ah aan la maqlin, taasina waxay fursad u siinaysaa demagogue khatarta ah sida Donald Trump inuu soo galo oo iska dhigo inuu yahay kan danaynaya, laakiin waa wax la yaab leh sababtoo ah runtii waa bilyaneer sare oo New York ah. waxa uu golihiisa wasiirada ku kaydinayaa maalqabeeno kale. Isagu kama welwelo waxa nagu dhici doona halkan, waxaanan horeyba u dhibtoonaynay halkan waxaanan filayaa in dhibkayagu uu ka sii dari doono. Taasi waa ceeb weyn. Waxaan ugu baaqayaa madaxda la soo doortay ee meesha aan ku noolahay inay si dhab ah u qaataan hanjabaada Donald Trump iyo maamulkiisa, si ay u xusuustaan in loo doortay inay shacabka u adeegaan oo aysan si wanaagsan u shaqayn muddo siddeed sano ah, laakiin waxaan filayaa Dad badan ayaa diyaar u ah inay ka jaraan xoogaa caajis ah haddii ay hadda soo farageliyaan oo ay leexiyaan waxa ah xaalad aad khatar u ah.
Jeff Schechtman: To what extent is there an understanding of the way in which the world has changed as a result of technology and globalization, and that in many ways the genie can’t be put back in the bottle? There’s lots of talk, of course, about manufacturing and jobs lost. In terms of manufacturing output, really it’s higher than it has been in a long time. The difference is it takes one third of the amount of jobs to do that manufacturing today. To what extent is there an understanding of these fundamental shifts?
Sarah Kendzior: Waxaan ula jeedaa, uma hadli karo dadka kale. Aniga qudhaydu waan ka hadli karaa iyo inta aan u kuurgalo in warkaas laga hadlayo oo ay ka hadlayaan wararka iyo mas’uuliyiinta dawladda, mana filayo in laga wada hadlay sidii la rabay. Waxaan ka baqayaa iswada Taasi waa sida shaqaale badan ay ku waayeen shaqooyinkoodii. Trump emphasized outsourcing, but a lot of what’s changed the economy over the last eight years has been internet shopping, the closure of local stores and malls; the people that used to work there are now being unemployed. Waxaan u maleynayaa inaan arki doonno kor u kaca tignoolajiyada iswada ee badan oo bedeli doona shaqaalaha. Qaar ka mid ah xulafada muhiimka ah ee trump waa dadka Silicon Valley kuwaas oo leh nooc falsafada xoriyada oo aan si gaar ah u danaynin shaqaalaha. Waxay kaliya xiiseynayaan dhinaca tignoolajiyada. Uma muuqdaan inay leeyihiin waajibaad damiir ah oo ah inay ka fikiraan cidda tani ay dhaawacayso iyo waxa bedeli doona. I think that this is dangerous, but I think there are other policies that would make a lot more sense, including raising the minimum wage and also creating jobs in this new economy for blue collar workers and eliminating the kind of credentialism that new jobs often require. Now, jobs that you didn’t need a college degree for a few decades ago, you suddenly need a college degree for, and a college degree is suddenly incredibly expensive. Taasi waxay dad badan ka ilaalinaysaa suuqa shaqada. Uma arko in Trump si dhab ah u fahmayo arrintan. Uma maleynayo in dad badani ay fahmaan tan laakiin waxa qof walba fahamsan yahay waa quusta sida tani ay u maleegayaan. Haddii quustaasi si wanaagsan looga faa’iidaysan karo sidii meesha looga saari lahaa, dadka shaqo loo siin lahaa, dadka nolol wanaagsan la siin lahaa, dadka la siin lahaa fursadaha ay mudan yihiin iyo in dhibtooda meesha laga saaro, taasi aad bay u fiicnaan lahayd. Laakiin waxaan filayaa in Trump uu falkan u arko fursad uu kaga faa’iidaysan karo xanuunka iyo dhibka dadka iyo marka ay dhibaatadaasi korodho, waxaan aragnay taariikhda oo dhan, sida dadku u noqdaan kuwo naxariis daran marka ay dhibaataysan yihiin. Sida dadka u maleeyay in aanay waligood wax u qaban qof kale ayaa u horseedi kara in ay sameeyaan haddii xaaladdooda dhaqaale ay adag tahay, haddii ay dareemaan in ay ka bixi karaan sharciga iyo haddii ay dareemaan inay ka mid yihiin. dhaqdhaqaaqa mooryaanta tirada badan. Bini'aadamka ayaa aad ugu nugul arrintan. Ma aha kiis ah inaad wanaagsan tahay ama xun tahay, laakiin ficilka aad qaadayso ma wanaagbaa mise xumaan? Ma doonaysaa in aad xumaanta ka fogaato, ma doonaysaa in aad garab istaagto halka dadka kale ay dhaawacayaan? Markaa waxaan hadda odhan doonaa: haddii aad doonayso inaad garab istaagto oo aad daawato Trump oo samaynaya waxyaalaha uu u qorshaynayo dadka Mexico iyo Muslimiinta oo aad u malaynayso inaanay aakhirka kugu dhici doonin sababtoo ah waxaad tahay caddaan ama sababtoo ah waxaad tahay qof u codeeyay ama u hiiliyay adiga ayay kugu dhacaysaa waayo qofka kaliya ee uu danaynayo waa naftiisa iyo maalqabeenadiisa aadka u taajirsan ee dalkan ka xayuubinaya oo aad ku khasaaraysaan intaad haysataan. . Wax cadaawad ah uma qabo cod bixiyayaasha Trump.
Jeff Schechtman: Marka aynu raadino tusaale taariikhi ah oo ku saabsan kala-baxa noocan ah iyo falcelinta noocan ah, ka hadal waxaad aragto.
Sarah Kendzior: It’s interesting; if you study the history of states and a regime knows that it’s going to have fairly absolute power over the people, they often stop being subtle about it. Waxay inta badan joojiyaan inay ka tagaan waxa aan ugu yeerno "u sheeg" si ay dadku u fahmaan waxa socda. People who are savvy to these regimes can understand what’s going on because they recognize these historical parallels. Haddaba marka uu Trump ku horreeyo Ameerika, oo ah halkudheggii Faashiistaha, marka ay la taliyayaashiisu ka hadlayaan in tareennada ay ku shaqeeyaan waqtigooda, taas oo lala xiriiriyo Hitler, marka ay ka hadlayaan in la daadiyo dhiiqada, taas oo ah odhaah ka timid. Mussolini, marka Trump uu Twitter-ka soo dhigayo Mussolini, marka uu soo dhigayo sawirada xiddigaha Yuhuuda ee ag jooga lacago badan oo aad ku darsato maamulkiisa dhabta ah, oo ay ku jiraan dadka taageersan Neo-Nazis, xitaa dadka garabka midig ee xagjirka ah sida Glenn Beck ayaa soo baxay. oo sheegay in Steve Bannon uu yahay neo-Nazi. I think quite honestly, and I don’t mean to frighten people that we need to prepare for the worst. Markaad bilowdo inaad maqasho iyaga oo samaynaya diiwaanka Muslimiinta; Haa, taasi waxay kaa dhigaysaa inaad xasuusato inay jirtay diiwaanka Yuhuuda. There’s an attitude that America is exceptional, that it can’t happen here. Waxay ka dhici kartaa meel kasta. Dhammaan wadamadii u haystay in aanay taasi weligeed dhici karin, dadkuna ay wanaagsanaan doonaan, in aanay dawladdu sidan oo kale u khiyaamayn, waxa ay ogaadeen dariiq adag oo ay ku dhici karto. Markaa waxaan qabaa inay runtii muhiim tahay inaan ka hortagno xaqiiqadan aadka u cabsida badan ee maaha wax khiyaali ah, waa xaqiiq hadda jirta oo uu yahay madaxweynaha la doortay. Waxaan u malaynayaa inuu awood u yeelan doono inuu arrintan fuliyo. Waxaan u baahanahay inaan joojino; waxaan u baahanahay inaan is garab istaagno. Ma aha arrin xisbinimo xilligan. Arrintu maaha in Hillary ay gasho xafiiska ama shay, laakiin kaliya joojinta naxariis darrada, joojinta cunaqabataynta, rabshadaha, falalka dastuuriga ah ee sida weyn u dhaawacaya dadweynaha Mareykanka. Once this gets going, if you look at the history of fascist of authoritarian states, it moves extremely quickly. Waxay u muuqataa in wax walba ay caadi yihiin, ka dibna waxyaabo yaryar ayaa soo galaya ka dibna mar haddii ay awood yeeshaan ay ku takri falaan. So we also need to look at the institutions that are supposed to keep this in check. An institution like the FBI, which seems to have been compromised. Waxaan leenahay Comey oo siidaaya hadalkiisii doorashada ka hor ee ahaa in baadhitaan lagu hayo Clinton ka dibna uu qirtay in baadhitaankani aanu la xidhiidhin Clinton oo aanu meelna ku hogaamin. Waa inaad la yaabtaa sababta uu sidaas u sameeyay. Waa in aad la yaabto sababta FBI-du ay ugu xumaatay Twitter-ka oo si lama filaan ah maalmo yar ka hor doorashada, ay bilaabeen in ay sii daayaan dhammaan noocyada faylasha ku saabsan Clinton ka dibna ay sidoo kale sii daayaan fayl aad u qurux badan oo Fred Trump, Donald Trump aabihiis; isagoo ku tilmaamay samafale. Donald Trump’s father was sued for racial discrimination and also participated in a Ku Klux Klan action. Taasi waa nooca shay ay FBI-du dhab ahaantii baaraysay; cunsurinimadiisa. Taasi maaha sida FBI-du u soo bandhigtay isaga. There seems to be warring factions within some of our institutions. Haddana, waxaan muddo dheer bartay dawladaha kali-taliska ah. Waxaad raadin kartaa sheegida. CIA-du waxay si aan macquul ahayn u soo bandhigtay sawir, waxaan u maleynayaa inay ahayd Shiinaha Shiinaha oo ay ku xigto sheeko yar oo taariikhi ah oo ku saabsan iskaashiga Hitler ee Ruushka. I don’t know how to really interpret this. CIA-da dabcan waa meel ay ku sameeyaan waxyaabahan khiyaanada ah ee noloshooda, waxay u tababaran yihiin inay ka raadiyaan gobollada kale. Marka ay falanqeynayaan warbaahinta bulshada iyo xogta wadamada kale, waxay raadiyaan calaamado sidan oo kale ah, sida waxa ay dadku runtii sheegaan. Markaa waxaan dareemayaa sida waxyaabo yaryar oo noocaas ah, waxaad arki kartaa hay'addeenna oo sii deynaya nooc ka mid ah calaamadda waxaana muhiim ah in la isku dayo in la kala saaro in calaamadaas ay tahay SOS, sida nooc digniin ah ama haddii ay leedahay waxaan ku lug yeelan doonnaa kuwan. Ficilada sababtoo ah habka ugu wanaagsan ee aan ku joojin karno siyaasadahan foosha xun waa in la hor istaago ururo waagii hore dalka u adeegi jiray. Tusaale ahaan, FBI-da waxay ahayd tii kooxdaas ragga ah ku soo qaaday gobolka Kansas, saddexdaas taageere ee Trump qorsheynayay inay qarxiyaan gurigaas Soomaalida. If they’re not going to stop those actions, we’re in deep trouble. Markaa runtii waxa loo baahan yahay in kongareeska baadhitaan lagu sameeyo waxa dhabta ah ee socda iyo in doorashadaasi ay Ruushku wax u dhimeen iyo in kale sida uu Lindsay Grant u sheegay, sida uu John McCain sheegay iyo qaar kale oo badan, gaar ahaan marka la eego xidhiidhka Trump iyo Ruushka. doorka Paul Manafort, kaas oo gacan ka gaystay kor u qaadida kalitalisyada adduunka oo dhan laakiin gaar ahaan Ukraine oo kaashanaya Putin. This all some sounds like a spy novel. Waxaan u maleynayaa inay ku adkayd dadku inay liqaan in tani run ahaantii dhici karto laakiin waligey ma dhihi karo tan haddaan daacad ka ahayn. Sidaan horeba u sheegay, arrintan muddo dheer ayaan darsayay, markaa waxaan qabaa inay runtii tahay wax ay tahay in dawladdeennu ay baadhis ku samayso, waxaanan ku boorrin lahaa muwaadiniinta inay u yeedhaan wakiiladooda. Dhib ma laha haddii aad ku nooshahay gobolka buluuga ah ama gobolka cas, kaliya wac sababtoo ah waxaad dooneysaa baaritaan ku saabsan musuqmaasuqa suurtagalka ah ee Trump, maamulkiisa iyo doorashadan iyo gaar ahaan danaha shisheeye iyo waxa dhabta ah ee ku dhacaya saraakiishayada Maraykanka.
Jeff Schechtman: Ugu dambayntii Saarah, ma jiraan wax ku siinayaa sabab rajo? Wax kasta oo ku siinaya sabab rajo, marka la eego halka aan maanta joogno?
Sarah Kendzior: Wax rajo ah kama qabo waxa maamulku qaban doono. Waan ogahay inay samayn doonto waxyaalo cabsi leh. Maxaa i siinaya rajo, oo waxaan jeclahay in aan idhaahdo waa in aan noqono kuwo dhab ah ka hor inta aanaan rajo ka qabin, waa in la abaabulaa oo la abaabulaa ka hor intaanan rajo ka qabin laakiin dabcan, waa inaad rajo ku leedahay qalbigaaga. Waxaan daraaseeyay maamulo badan oo aad u xun taariikhda iyo wakhtigan xaadirka ah, waxaanan arkaa in marka dadku isku duuban yihiin oo ay sameeyaan waxa saxda ah oo ay u istaagaan walaalahooda Mareykanka oo ay diyaar u yihiin inay ka hortagaan mugdiga soo socda oo ay si aad ah u shaqeeyaan. adag in ay ku guulaysteen in ay dalkooda badbaadiyaan. Waxay ku guuleysteen inay badbaadiyaan muwaadiniintooda. Waxay ku guuleysteen inay shaqeeyaan oo ay dib u dhisaan oo ay ka dhigaan meel wanaagsan. Ameerika waxay ku jirtay meel xun muddo dheer. We’ve had two terrible wars. Waxaan yeelanay dhaqaale burburay. Xaalada u ogolaatay in ay taasi dhacdo, ee u ogolaatay Trump in uu xukunka ku yimaado kaliya ma ahayn in uu mosey ku sii jiro, sida anaga oo kale ayaan u nuglaaday arrintan. Markaa wax badan ayaa inoo baahan inaan hagaajino balse maamulkan ma hagaajin doono. People keep saying wait until 2018, wait until 2020. Uma maleynayo inaan haysano waqti intaa la eg oo aan isku dayno inaan yareyno dhaawaca uu sameyn doono sababtoo ah waxay noqon doontaa mid xad dhaaf ah waxayna u dhaqaaqi doontaa si degdeg ah. Markaa runtii, wakhtigu waa hadda. Wakhtiga aad u yeedhi lahaydeen wakiiladiina, si aad bulshadaada ula falgeli lahaydeen, aad dariskiina u ilaalin lahaydeen oo aad u fikiri lahaydeen, sug qof noocee ah ayaad tahay? What kind of country are we? Maxay la macno tahay in aad Maraykan noqoto? What does it mean to be a good citizen? Waa maxay macnaha wadani? Aniga, taasi waxay la macno tahay in aad isu hiilinaysaan. Waad isu shaqeysaan. Haddii dawladdaadu ay samaynayso wax aad u aragto mid niyad ahaan diidmo ah, oo u muuqda mid aan dastuuri ahayn, haddii dawladdaadu aysan ahayn mid hufan, haddii ay si cad u muujinayso cadawga cadaanka ah sida garsoorayaasha sare, waa inaad tidhaahdaa haa, tani caadi maaha. Tani maaha qiyamka Ameerika ka dibna halkaas ka tag. La shaqee bulshooyinkaaga gudaha iyo sidoo kale isku day inaad la xiriirto dadka heer qaran si aad ula wadaagto welwelkaaga. Haddii aad ka welwelsan tahay arrintan, oo runtii waxaan filayaa inaad dhammaantiin ahaan lahaydeen. Ma aha eex. Haddii aad tahay Republican-ka dhageysanaya tan, waxaad u nugul tahay waxyaabahan sida Dimuqraadiga. There’s really nobody who’s immune, except for the team of wealthy elites and backers that are with Trump. I add there that his appointment of his family members into getting clearances and being part of the administration is something you see all over the world in dictatorships. Waxay ahayd calaamad muujinaysa in qofka talada hayaa aanu dalka u shaqayn ee uu u adeegayo naftiisa iyo qoyskiisa oo uu ku takri-falo awoodda fulinta si uu hanti badan u urursado. Ma garanayno xaaladda dhaqaale ee Trump sababtoo ah waligiis ma sii deyn canshuur celintaas, taas oo sidoo kale ahayd mid aan horay loo arag. So these are all concrete things to watch out for.
Jeff Schechtman: Sarah Kendzior, I thank you so much for spending time with us here on Radio WhoWhatWhy.
Sarah Kendzior: Mahadsanid.
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