Iyo yezvematongerwo enyika burlesque show inomhanya paWhite House inoita seinopedza kuwanda kwekutarisa pakati pe cable news pundits uye hunhu. Kutarisisa kwakadaro hakuna zvikonzero zvachose zvakapihwa mukana wekupomedzerwa mhosva kurova nhengo dzemhuri yaDonald Trump uye nepakati. Chero nyaya kana kunyomba zvine mukana wekupikisa kuvepo kana kuvepo kwehutungamiriri hwazvino kunofanirwa kuongororwa zvakanyanya. Asi nyika yese ichiripo uye kubatanidzwa kwemauto eUS muhondo dzakawanda nemakakatanwa zvinodawo kufukidzwa zvakanyanya kupfuura zvazvinogashira. Izvi zvagara zviri zvechokwadi, kusanganisira pasi peMutungamiri Barack Obama, asi pasi paVaTrump, nyaya dzakasimudzwa zvakanyanya.
VaTrump varatidza nzira inokatyamadza yekusakendenga, kazhinji inoratidzwa pachena kuburikidza ne Twitter feed, pakuzivisa izvo zvinogona kutorwa semitemo mitsva yeUS. Hongu, chipangamazano chaTrump chepamusoro Sebastian Gorka paakabvunzwa paFox News kuti chii chasara naTrump kumanikidza China kuti iite zvakawanda kuti ive netyisidziro kubva kuNorth Korea, Gorka akapindura achiti: "Tine, unoziva, Twitter yemutungamiri wenyika."
Zvichida zvinoshungurudza kupfuura izvo Trump tweets pachena ndizvo zvaari kuudza maseneta ane simba eUS pachivande. Seneta weRepublican Lindsey Graham akataura nguva pfupi yadarika kuti VaTrump vakamuudza kuti anoda kutsakatisa nemauto nyika yeNorth Korea kana zvichidikanwa. "Pane sarudzo yemauto yekuparadza chirongwa cheNorth Korea neNorth Korea pachayo," Graham akaudza NBC. Trump, akadaro, "akandiudza izvo pamberi pangu."
VaTrump vari kuita nepavanogona napo kuti vawedzere kusawirirana pakati peNorth Korea neChina. Svondo rapfuura, US yakabhururuka mabhomba maviri eB-1 pamusoro peKorea Peninsula. Yakaitawo bvunzo yeballistic missile mudunhu. Izvi zvakatevera bvunzo yaJuly 28 intercontinental ballistic missile neNorth Korea. Iyo missile inonzi ine kureba kupfuura chero yakamboedzwa naPyongyang uye nedzidziso, sekureva kwenyanzvi, inogona kusvika kuUnited States. South Korea ikozvino yave kukumbira hutongi hwaTrump kune yayo yega makombora ane simba rekurova zvakadzika kuchamhembe. UN Security Council yakavhota nemusi weMugovera kutemera zvirango zvitsva kuNorth Korea pamusoro pebvunzo dzayo dzezvombo zvezvombo uye chirongwa chenyukireya.
VaTrump vakaratidzira mauto eUS achipokana neNorth Korea neruzhinji rweTwitter kurwisa China nevakafanotungamira vekuAmerica. โNdakaodzwa mwoyo zvikuru neChina. Vatungamiri vedu vekare vakapusa vakavabvumira kuita mazana emabhiriyoni emadhora pagore mukutengeserana, asi HAVAITII CHINHU isu neNorth Korea, ingotaura. Hatichabvumiri kuti izvi zvienderere mberi. China inogona kugadzirisa dambudziko iri nyore!
Kune rumwe rutivi, China yakaita sekuseka Trump seasina. โKutaura kwakadai kungangoitwa chete nemutungamiri weUnited States ane nyanga yegirini anoziva zvishoma nezvenyaya yenyukireya yekuNorth Korea,โ yakazivisa kudaro imwe nyaya yemupepeti wenhau mune rimwe pepanhau rinodzorwa nehurumende yokuChina. "Pyongyang yakatsunga kuvandudza chirongwa chayo chenyukireya uye missile uye haina hanya nekutyisidzira kwemauto kubva kuUS neSouth Korea. Zvirango zveChinese zvingashandura sei mamiriro ezvinhu? "
Kunetsana paKorea peninsula hakusi kutsva. Uye hutongi hwega hwega hweUS hunoratidzika kunge huchizviwana huri mugakava rakafanana nehutongi. Asi VaTrump vanorasika uye vanongoda kupfira chero zvavanenge vachifunga. Uye izvo zvinogona kuratidza kuva nengozi zvikuru nezvombo zvenyukireya uye masimba enyukireya.
Kana North Korea ichikurukurwa munhau dzeUS, kuburitswa kunonyanya kutarisana nekusagadzikana uye kupenga kwaKim Jung-un uye hudzvanyiriri hwehutongi hwake. Kusvika kwatakaita padanho rekunetsana nguva dzose hakutariswe zvakanyanya.
Pasvondo rino Intercepted podcast, takanyura zvakadzama munhoroondo yeNorth Korea nevatungamiriri vayo naJohn Feffer, director weForeign Policy In Focus kuInstitute for Policy Studies. Feffer ndiye munyori wemabhuku akati wandei, anosanganisira "North Korea/South Korea: US Policy neKorea Peninsula" uye "Simba Rwendo," iyo yakaongorora US unilateralism panguva yekutonga kwaGeorge W. Bush. Chinotevera chinyorwa chakawedzerwa chebvunzurudzo iyoyo.
Teerera kubvunzurudzo pano:
Jeremy Scahill: John Feffer. Kugamuchirwa kune Intercepted.
John Feffer: Ndatenda nekundiwanira pashoo yenyu.
JS: Chikamu chechikonzero chandirikuda kutaura newe ndechekuti ndirikuda kudzoka kubva pane zviri kuitika neNorth Korea nekushanya kwaMike Pence [kunzvimbo isina mauto muna Kubvumbi] uye ingotanga nerondedzero yenhoroondo, kana uchikwanisa. tipei izvozvo. Takasvika sei pamamiriro ezvinhu aya - kwete chete naKim Jong-un ane simba - sei kuti Korea Peninsula yakakamurwa uye chii chakaitika mune inonzi Hondo yeKorea?
JF: Zvakanaka, kunyangwe Hondo yeKorea isati yatanga, zvakakosha kuti vanhu vanzwisise kuti Korea Peninsula yagara iri pasi pehutongi hwekunze, kutanga nemaChinese, uyezve zvinonyanya kuzivikanwa nemaJapan pasi pesimba rekushanda - kunyanya hafu yekutanga ye 20th century. Saka WWII uye kukundwa kweJapan kwakareva, kekutanga, rusununguko rweKorea.
Hongu, zvairevawo kupatsanurana kweKorea sezvo United States neSoviet Union vaidhirowa mutsara kuyambuka mepu vasingatarise chero chinhu kunze kwekunakira kwavaive vachidhirowa mutsara, uye vakapatsanura peninsula pakati penzvimbo yekupesvedzera. MaSoviet kuchamhembe uye nzvimbo ine pesvedzero yeUnited States kumaodzanyemba. Uye mativi ese ari maviri, ndinofunga, kunyangwe kubva pakutanga - ese North Korea neSouth Korea rudzi rwekushuvira kubatanidza peninsula pasi pekutonga kwavo.
Uye kwakanga kunewo, hongu, vanhu vakanga vachitarisira kubatanidza peninsula yakazvimiririra yerudzi rwupi norwupi rwepfungwa, rudzi rwesangano renyika rakabuda papeninsula pakarepo Hondo Yenyika II.
Asi zvakabva zvatanga nhevedzano yekurwisana, nguva refu Hondo yeKorea isati yatanga muna 1950 - kurwira masimba, kunyanya - yenzvimbo uye nechiremera pakati peSoviet-yakabatana kuchamhembe neUS-yakabatana South. Uye izvo zvinotisvitsa kuHondo yeKorea, rudzi rwekukanganisa neNorth Korea vachifunga kuti kana vangopinda muSouth, havaizongowana rutsigiro rwakakwana rweruzhinji rweSouth, asi vaizove nerutsigiro rusina kupera kubva Soviet Union uye pamwe zvakare kubva kuChina.
Uye hondo haina kuenda nenzira yavo, uye haina kuenda kuUS nevabatsiri vayo. Izvo zvakakonzera kugadzikana uye kupatsanurwa kwakafanana, pamutsara wakafanana muKorea peninsula, sezvayakadhonzwa mushure meHondo Yenyika II. Ndiko kwaive kumisa kwa1953 uye kurwiswa kwehondo.
JS: Uye chii chakaita kuti United States ipinde muKorea?
JF: Zvakanaka, uyu mubvunzo wakanaka, nekuti pakutanga United States haina kuona Korea sechinhu chakakosha munyika. Hazvina kuwira mukati mezvido zvawo. Asi vakangoerekana vafarira Korea mushure mekunge Mao Tse Tong atora China akaisa hutongi hwemakomunisti ikoko. Uye fungidziro yakabuda yekuti Asia yaive ichidonha - seti inodonha yehutongi, kuti yekutanga domino, hongu, yaive China, ichitevera maitiro eSoviet Union, uyezve modhi yemakomunisti yaizoramba ichipararira, kana uchida, mukati menyika yose. nharaunda, neKorea inotevera. Zvechokwadi, Maodzanyemba akanga atowira pasi pesimba reCommunist, asi kutya kwaiva kuti izvozvo zvaizopararira munzvimbo yose uye zvichida kuenda mberi.
Paive nekunetsekana, semuenzaniso, kuti kunyangwe Japan - nekuda kwevanoshandira mubatanidzwa munyika nekukurumidza mushure meHondo Yenyika II - Japan, zvakare, yaigona kuenda kucommunist nyore. Uye ipapo, kamwe kamwe, United States inenge yakatarisana kwete chete neSoviet Union neEastern Bloc iri kubuda, asi inenge yakatarisana neboka rakasimba kwazvo remakomunisti muAsia zvakare, rakasimbiswa neCommunist China.
JS: Uye chii chakaitika munguva yeHondo yeKorea? Ndinofunga ichi chikamu chenhoroondo icho vanhu vazhinji vasingazivi. United States inobatanidzwa uye hondo iyoyo yakaitwa sei - padanho remauto uye nedanho rehurongwa neUnited States? Ndiani aive kudivi reUS; vakanga vachirwisana naani; ndiani aitsigira maNorth Korea?
JF: Zvakanaka, kutanga kune zvese, yaive isiri iyo United States - hongu yaive United States - asi nehunyanzvi yaive basa reUN, saka yaive pasi pemureza weUnited Nations. Uye United States yakarwa pamwe chete neSouth Korea, pamwe chete nevamwe vakakosha vekuEurope.
Chimwe chinhu chaivamo chaiva Japan, iyo yakanga iri nyika ine urombo zvikuru pashure pokuparadza kweHondo Yenyika II. Asi Hondo yeKorea yakashanda semhando yekusimuka kweJapan kuti isvetuke muzera remazuva ano maindasitiri, kana uchida. Uye nekuti Japan yakashanda senzvimbo yekutandarira yakawanda yeHondo yeKorea yeUnited States, Japan yakabatsira zvakanyanya, mune zvehupfumi, kubva muhondo.
Kune rimwe divi, hongu, North Korea yaive neSoviet Union semubatsiri wayo, kunyangwe Soviet Union isina kunyatso kupa rutsigiro rwakawanda kudaro. Zvakanyanya kukosha, zvechokwadi kuNorth Korea kupona, yaive China. Asi izvi zvakangoitika mushure mekunge United States yasundira North Korea nzira yese kukona yekuchamhembe. Izvi zvakaitika mushure mekumhara kwaMacArthur muIncheon - yakakurumbira kusundidzira kumusoro peninsula nemauto eUS neSouth Korea.
North Korea yakanga yakarembera neshinda. Chaive, munoziva, chitsuwa chidiki kwazvo, kumusoro kuchamhembe kwenyika - kusvika miriyoni yevazvipiri vechiChinese vapinda parutivi rweNorth Korea uye vakasundidzira mauto eUS nzira yese kudzokera pasi peninsula, zvichitungamira kuoma kwatakaita seDMZ nhasi. Panyaya yehurongwa hwemauto, wakaona rudzi rwekutanga kutyisidzira kushandisa zvombo zvenyukireya neUnited States, uye hongu, United States ndiyo yaive nyika chete panguva iyoyo uye inoramba iriyo chete nyika yakashandisa zvombo zvenyukireya, asi. une kutyisidzira kwekutanga kushandisa zvombo zvenyukireya kurwisa imwe nyika.
Iwe zvakare une kushandisa napalm kekutanga. Une mishandirapamwe yakakura yekubhomba muNorth Korea - yakafanana, neimwe nzira, kune mabhomba akaitika muTokyo, muDresden, panguva yeHondo Yenyika II, mabhomba akazara akakonzera kuuraya kwakakura kwevanhu - saka wakave nehumwe hutsva mukati. Hondo yeKorea, uye iwe wakave nekuenderera mberi pamwe neHondo Yenyika II.
JS: Zvino, kana iwe uchiti miriyoni yeChinese vazvipiri - kunze kweiyo pachena geostrategic hondo yanga ichiitika pakati peUnited States, China, sezvaunotaura kusvika pamwero, Soviet Union - chii chingave chiri kukurudzira kwemirioni yeChina kuti kuzvipira kuenda kunorwira kana kudzivirira North Korea?
JF: Zvakanaka, zviri pamutemo, yaive rudzi rwekuita kwekubatana mukupindura rubatsiro rwemakomunisti eKorea panguva yeChinese Communist Revolution. Uye saka pakanga paine vanhu vakaita saKim Il-sung - panguva iyoyo, mutungamiri wekutanga wekuNorth Korea akange ashanda sehugandanga muChina, asi zvakare mukutsigira maCommunist eChinese. Saka izvi zvaive, pamwero wakajeka, yaingova rudzi rwekubhadhara. Asi ini ndinofunga kuti hurumende yeChinese yainetsekana nezve mukana wekuti United States yaizongoerekana yaisa mauto padivi pemuganhu weChina kana North Korea yaizonyangarika uye South Korea yakasundira muganho wayo kusvika kumuganhu neChina. Saka kuti, ndinofunga, ndicho chakanyanya kukurudzira kuti China ipinde muhondo.
JS: Zvino iwe unoziva, hongu, Kim Jong-un, mutungamiri aripo weNorth Korea, anowanzosekwa mupepanhau reUS uye anosekwa uye kubatwa sekunge ndiye, munoziva, mupengo mukobvu, uye hongu, kunyanya nehutongi huripo muUnited States, anotsanangurwa semhando yemusanganiswa pakati peporky little brat uye mudzvanyiriri ane ngozi.
Asi ini ndoda kupenengura mashure emhando yedzinza remhuri yaKim, kutanga naKim Il-sung. Ko sei vanaKim, kunyanya Kim Il-sung, vakwanise kuita izvi sehumwari-sechimiro mukati meNorth Korea? Pamwe buritsa imwe yenhoroondo yekuti Kim Il-sung aive ani uye kuti akauya sei kuzobatanidza nhanho yesimba muNorth Korea iyo yaakazozoita nekukurumidza.
JF: Ehe, iwo mubvunzo unokosha, nekuti zvakawanda zvatinonzwisisa nezveNorth Korea nhasi zvinofanirwa kubva pakunzwisisa kwedu Kim Il-sung uye kuti akatanga sei kutonga. Nekuti pakupera kweHondo Yenyika II, apo Korea yakakamurwa uye North Korea yakasikwa zvine mutsindo, Kim Il-sung anga asiri muKorea, aive muRussia. Akanga apedza nguva yakawanda yehondo muSoviet Union mushure mekunge akundwa zvakabudirira mukurwisana kwake kwehugandanga muChina neNorth Korea.
Saka akapedza yakawanda yenguva iyoyo ari muSoviet Union. Anodzoka kuKorea, kunyanya pazvikepe zveSoviet, uye anoiswa zvinobudirira semutungamiri weNorth Korea nevaRussia vanomuona semutengi anopfava.
Asi zvinokosha kuziva kuti panguva iyoyo akanga achiri mudiki. Aive, munoziva, 32, 33, paakadzoka kuNorth Korea - mudiki kwazvo nemaitiro ehutungamiriri muKorea. Korea isangano reConfucius; ruremekedzo rukuru rwakapiwa kunhengo dzakwegura dzenzanga. Pfungwa yemumwe munhu pazera re33 kutora chigaro yaive yemhando yekunetsa kune yechinyakare pfungwa dzehutungamiriri. Sanganisa izvozvo nenyaya yekuti Kim Il-sung paakadzokera kuKorea, akange akatarisana nekupikiswa kwakanyanya kubva kumakomunisiti echivanhu, kubva kumakominisiti akange apedza nguva muSouth Korea munguva yehondo, uye zvakare kubva kumakomunisiti akange apedza nguva muhondo. China. Saka, mapoka matatu akasiyana.
Uye akadzoka aine varwi vangangosvika mazana maviri. Pakati pa200 na1945, kubuda kweHondo yeKorea, Kim Il-sung anosimbisa chinzvimbo chake zvine hutsinye nekubvisa ese matatu emapoka aya uye nekumisikidza yake ega boka remagandanga seboka rinotungamira munharaunda.
Izvozvo zvinopfuurira munguva yeHondo yeKorea. Kucheneswa kunoitikawo panguva yehondo, uye kunyangwe hondo yapera, uye Kim Il-sung anobuda muHondo yeKorea anyatso simbisa chinzvimbo chake chezvematongerwo enyika - abvisa vapikisi vake vezvematongerwo enyika. Uye anodzidzawo kubva kumuenzaniso weSoviet kukosha kwemutungamiri akasimba - mutungamiri anorayira kwete chete kuremekedzwa kwevanhu asi, chaizvoizvo, anonamatwa nehuwandu hwevanhu.
Saka anobatanidza pfungwa yehurumende nechiremera chemunhu uye otanga chitendero chehunhu - chinova chakakosha mukusimudzira North Korea nekuti anotungamira kubva ku1945, 1946, kusvika pakufa kwake muna 1994.
Saka inguva inoshamisa yekuti anotonga nyika. Uye anodzora nyika nenzira iyo, kubva kunze kwemaonero, inoita seyakabudirira chaizvo. Mune mamwe mazwi, kana ukatarisa North Korea neSouth Korea sezvavanobuda muHondo yeKorea, North Korea inovandudza hupfumi nekukurumidza kudarika South Korea, inoratidzika kukudziridza nyika yakabudirira zvikuru munguva pfupi yenguva uchishandisa Soviet-style. kuraira-hupfumi mazano.
South Korea, kwete sekubudirira. Izvi ndizvo zvakaitika kusvika kuma1970. Saka iyi modhi inoitwa naKim Il-sung inowana kuvimbika, kutendeseka, mukati meNorth Korea, kwete chete pahwaro hwechokwadi chakagadzirwa, kana muchida, chitendero chehunhu, asi kunyangwe nemamwe maitiro ezvinangwa, mwero wehupfumi uye magariro.
JS: Ichi chinamato chehunhu chauri kutaura nezvacho - uye chakafanana, ndinofunga, mune dzimwe nzira kune chitendero - izvo zvakava zvakajairika sei muNorth Korea? Nekuti kazhinji kana izvo zvikaitika - iwe une nzanga yakagurwa kubva kunze kwenyika uye unotanga kupinda muzvizvarwa zvitsva uye kuona kuti ivo vakapinzwa pfungwa mukutenda kuti ichi ndicho chokwadi uye iyi ndiyo nzira nyika. ndizvo. Izvo zvakatanga rini muNorth Korea zvakatenderedza chiziviso chaKim Il-sung?
JF: Zvakanaka, Kim Il-sung akabva kumhuri yechiKristu uye North Korea yaive - kana kuti chikamu chekuchamhembe kweKorea chaive - chakasimba chechiKristu munguva yekupedzisira ye19th uye yekutanga 20th century.
Muchokwadi, Pyongyang yaive musimboti wedzidziso yechiKristu. Vanhu vazhinji vakauya kuPyongyang kuzodzidza, kusanganisira mudzimai waBilly Graham akadzidza kuPyongyang panzvimbo yezvidzidzo zvebhaibheri imomo, ndosaka Billy Graham aifarira North Korea. Saka, Kim Il-sung anovakira tsika yake yehunhu pamidzi yechiKristu. Zvakafanana nezvakaitwa nechiKristu mukuzvisimbisa pachezvacho nekuzvivaka pakare pakare pakare chiKristu cheRoma kana mamwe marudzi etsika dzechipegani. Saka une, semuenzaniso, baba naamai nemwanakomana. Kim Il-sung, mudzimai wake wokutanga, uye mwanakomana wavo wokutanga, Kim Jong-il, vakaumba rudzi urwu rwoUtatu mudzidziso yokuNorth Korea, yakafanana zvikuru neUtatu hwechiKristu.
Uye iwe unoona kuti Kim Il-sung, kuburikidza nenguva ino, anokwanisa kuwedzera pane ino tsika yehunhu nezvimwe zvechivanhu. Ndinoreva, hongu, yakaonekwa senyika yechiKomonisiti, asi zvishoma nezvishoma mumakumi emakore, izvo zvimiro zvechikomunisiti zvinozotsiviwa nezvimwe zvinhu zverudzi. Uye chokwadi, pfungwa iyo vanhu vazhinji vanoziva ndeye Juche, pfungwa yakagadziridzwa naKim Il-sung, inova pfungwa yekuzvimirira - inotaura kuti North Korea haigone kuvimba nedzimwe nyika. Uye ndosaka pamusoro pechiratidziro, ndakataura kuti zvakakosha kuziva kuti Korea yakakundwa nemauto ekunze kwemazana emakore: China, Japan, nezvimwe.
Saka, iyo pfungwa yekuzvimiririra yehutongi hwenyika - yakakosha zvakanyanya kune yeNorth Korea ideology. Uye Kim Il-sung girafu izvi pane hunhu, kuti uve nemhando yakapfuma yekusimbisa nyika.
Saka haisi Kim Il-sung chete. Iri rudzi rwaKim Il-sung rwekubatanidza nerudzi rwese kuti ugadzire rudzi rwe organic, pfungwa-imwe-yemuviri ideology, kana uchida.
JS: Uye, uye kubva panguva iyo yauri kutsanangura kwaive neNorth Korea, ngatitii, yaive yepamusoro kupfuura - kufambira mberi nekukurumidza kupfuura - South Korea. Titore kubva panguva iyoyo kuburikidza nekuparara kweSoviet Union muna 1990, uyezve kukwira kwekupedzisira kusimba kwaKim Jong-il zvichitevera kufa kwaKim Il-sung muna 1994. Chii chakaitika kubva kuma'70s kusvika pakudonha Soviet Union?
JF: Zvakanaka, North Korea nerudzi rwayo rweJuche ideology inosarudza kusabatanidzwa muSoviet Comecon, kana mubatanidzwa wehupfumi weSoviet Union. Izvo zvakare hazvizvisungirire zvisingaite kune hupfumi hweChinese; hupfumi hweChinese hwanga husiri kunyatsoita zvakanaka muma1960 nema1970.
Inozvimisikidza serudzi rwehupfumi hwakazvimirira uye haitore zvakanyanya munzira yezvikwereti zvekunze. Zvinotora zvimwe, asi hazvizvibatanidzi muhupfumi hwepasi rose.
Saka rakaparadzana kubva kuMabvazuva nekuMadokero. South Korea, hongu, inoita sarudzo yayo yekuve hupfumi hwepasi rose. Ichaisa hupfumi hwayo pakutengeserana, pakutengesa kunze, pakubatanidzwa kwayo muhupfumi hwenyika. Saka iyo sarudzo yakaitwa kuChamhembe nekuMaodzanyemba muma1970 inotungamira kune yakanakisa mutsauko mukuita kwehupfumi muNorth Korea. Nekuti haina kubatana kune chero imwe hupfumi bloc, haigone kukwikwidza chaizvo, haigone kuburitsa zvakakwana, munoziva, kuzvitonga, kugona kwechivanhu kuzadzisa zvinodiwa nevagari vayo.
South Korea inofambira mberi nekukurumidza kubva kuma1960 - South Korea yaive padanho renyika dziri kumaodzanyemba kweSahara Africa. Uye mukati mechikamu chechizvarwa chimwe, South Korea inova imwe yemasimba epamusoro maindasitiri munyika. Saka musiyano uyu unoshamisa uye wakanyanyisa kana kuwedzeredzwa nekudonha kwecommunism nekuti, chaizvo, unoziva chii - uko North Korea yakabudirira, yakabudirira nekuti yaimhanya nemafuta akachipa. North Korea yaive, semuenzaniso, yekurima yakanyatsogadzirwa mudunhu iri, izvo zvinoshamisa kana ukazvifunga nekuti unoziva Japan yaive nyika yakasimukira uye yaive nehunyanzvi hwekurima. Asi North Korea ndiyo yainyatso kushandisa mafuta akawanda, fetereza, kuitira kuti iwedzere kugadzirwa kwayo kwechikafu. Asi iyo system yese yaive yakavakirwa pamafuta akachipa - mafuta akachipa angave akapihwa pamitengo yerubatsiro neSoviet Union kana China.
Kana [iyo] Soviet Union inodonha muna '91, China painozofunga kuenderera mberi, kubvisa mitengo inotsigirwa uye kuenda kumitengo yemusika wepasi rose yesimba, kamwe kamwe North Korea yakatarisana nedambudziko guru. Zvese zvaive zvakavakirwa pamafuta akachipa zvakangoerekana zvava kudhura zvakanyanya. Izvo zvinove zvisingagoneke, kutaura zvazviri, kuti kurima kweNorth Korea kurarame uye huwandu hwayo hweindasitiri hunodonhawo, sezvo nahwo hwakavakirwa zvakanyanya pasimba rakachipa. Uye saka, iwe unoona iyi yakarova mukutanga '90s. Zvino pakazosvika 1993-1994, zvese zvaitora kwaive kusundidzira zvishoma. Uye kusundidzira kudiki uku kwaive mafashama nekusanaya kwemvura - mamiriro ekunze, nemamwe mazwi - ayo akasimudzira North Korea pamusoro.
Uye saka pakazosvika 1995, kurima kweNorth Korea kwakange kwadonha - indasitiri yayo yakanga yadonha, yakanga isisagone kudya vagari vayo - uye inopinda munguva yenzara, uye izvo zvinouya mushure mekufa kwaKim Il-sung muna 1994. Saka, kune zvakawanda. chevanhu, ichi chaive, munoziva, chiratidzo chekusafara kwedenga nehutungamiriri hweNorth Korea.
Kim Il-sung anofa, nyika yanyura mudambudziko, nzara inouraya vanhu vazhinji. Hatizive kuti vangani - vanosvika gumi muzana yehuwandu hwevanhu vangangoita mamirioni makumi maviri nemashanu muNorth Korea - asi zvichiri kunetsa kuwana fungidziro, nzara inotora kubva munenge muna 10 kusvika 25.
Uye zvakare munguva ino, une mwanakomana waKim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, atore chigaro. Mumwe munhu waungati haana kumbobvira anyatsoda kuva mutungamiriri wenyika. Ndinoreva, apa paive nemukomana aive akasununguka zvakanyanya kuseri kwekamera. Ndinofunga kuti aida kuva mutungamiriri wefirimu. Aida mafirimu. Aive neraibhurari huru iyi yemabhaisikopo. Dai akaswera akagara muhoro yebhaisikopo, angadai ari mukomana aifara. Asi akaiswa munzvimbo iyi yandinofunga kuti aisamboda, uye akange asina kugona. Akanga asiri mutsivi. Hapana kana shoko raakataura paruzhinji. Aive asina pfungwa yekuti aendepi nenyika mune zvehupfumi
Aiziva kuti aisafanira kuteerera maChinese kana maRussia nekuti iyi yaive, munoziva, nhaka yababa vake. Inofanira kunge iri yemuno. Zvinofanira kuzvimiririra. Inofanira kunge iri yenyika. Asi haanyatso kuendesa nyika kune imwe nzira yakakosha. Anokwanisa na2000-2001 kudzikamisa nyika, asi yakadzoserwa kumashure zvakanyanya, uye North Korea, unogona kutaura kuti haisati yapora kubva panguva iyoyo ye1990s. Kunyange nhasi, ndinoreva, uye ine mwero kukura kwehupfumi, asi iwe unotora rwendo rweNorth Korea kumaruwa uye zvichiri, nekuti simba rinodhura, rinoratidzika sezvisina maturo, rinoratidzika sevanhu, munoziva, kusunda magejo panzvimbo yematarakita. .
Indasitiri, indasitiri yezvivakwa, iyo isina magetsi anowirirana. Uye saka, mafekitori haasi kushanda pamwero wepamusoro. Saka ichiri kutambura nezvinetso zvayakatarisana nayo muma'90s.
JS: Zvakanaka zvakare, John, chimwe chinhu chakakosha pane izvi ndechekuti pakati pe-1990s, kana ndinofungidzira kutenderera 1995, maNorth Koreans anotanga kuisa mari yakawandisa musimba renyukireya muchikamu kuyedza kumisa zvauri kutsanangura kubva mukubuda. yemafuta avo akachipa kubva kuRussia kana kuSoviet Union, uye zvakare, munoziva, vakatarisana nekuderera kwetariro yavo yehupfumi kana tarisiro yakanaka yehupfumi.
Chaive chokwadi here kuti zvishuvo zvenyukireya zveNorth Korea zvakatanga kubva pachinzvimbo ichocho? Kana kuti yaigara ine ngowani mbiri nechinangwa chehondo?
JF: Ehe, ndinofunga yaigara ine mativi maviri. Sezvaunonongedza, zvaive zvakafanira kuti North Korea iwane imwe mafuta sosi uye simba renyukireya rakaita seimwe nzira inoyevedza. South Korea yaidyara mari yakawandisa musimba renyukireya, yaive nemuenzaniso weJapan, iyo yaivimbawo zvakanyanya nenyukireya. North Korea yakazviona sekutevera tsoka idzodzo.
Asi pakanga pane chikamu chemauto zvakare. Nekuti panguva imwe chete iyo North Korea neSouth Korea dzainge dzakaenzana pahupfumi kusvika kuma'70s, unogona kutaura kuti dzainge dzakaenzana muchiuto zvakare. Asi kubva kuma1970 zvichienda mberi, muchikamu nekuda kwekubudirira kwehupfumi hweSouth Korea uye chokwadi chekuti yaigona kuisa mari yakawanda muchiuto, uye muchidimbu nekuti yaive neUnited States semubatanidzwa, uye US yaive ichipa tekinoroji yepamberi mauto, North Korea yakawira kumashure nekukurumidza. Yaiva neuto guru rakamira. Yaive nenzvimbo hombe dzepfuti, yakatarisana neSeoul. Inogona kuita kukuvadza kwakawanda kuSouth Korea, pasina mubvunzo nezvazvo, asi mupendero wakanga waenda kuSouth Korea neUS-South Korea zvakasanganiswa, kuenzanisa nzvimbo yekutamba, zvakanaka, kuve nenyukireya - yaionekwa senge. nzira yakachipa yekuuya nekukurumidza zvakanyanya. Kunyangwe isu tichiziva kuti zvombo zvenyukireya hazvisi zvakachipa kana iwe uchitarisa ese emitengo yakasanganiswa, asi wakatarisa zvishoma kubva kuNorth Korea maonero, vakafunga kuti yaive mhando yekukurumidza kugadzirisa, kana uchida.
Uye ivo vainetsekawo, hongu, kuti United States yaive, munoziva, yaipinda dzimwe nyika pasirese uye yaive yerudzi rwekutora mukana weiyo unipolar nguva yakaitika mushure mekudonha kweSoviet Union, saka zvombo zvenyukireya zvaive zvisiri. ingori nzira yekuenzanisa nhandare neSouth Korea asi ivo vakapa chidziviso chaicho kurwisa chero kupindira kweUS. Kubhomba kana kupindira chaiko kwemauto munyika.
JS: Asi pane imwe nhanho, iwe unoziva, tichingotaura kubva pamaonero ehurongwa, zvaive zvakangwara kune veNorth Koreans kuda kutsvaga zvombo zvenyukireya vachipihwa kuti vakatarisa zvakaitika muHondo Yenyika II. Asiwo idi rokuti, munyika itsva yenyukireya, nyika dzine zvombo zvenyukireya dzinoratidzika kuva dzine runenge rudzi rwakati rweinishuwarenzi kubva mukuparadzwa kwadzo kwakakwana?
JF: Hongu. Ndinoreva, sarudzo yeNorth Korea, kubva pakuona kweNorth Korea, yaive chaiyo chaiyo. Dai vasina kugadzira zvombo zvenyukireya, North Korea ingadai isipo nhasi, uye ndiyo yakakosha kufunga kana tichifunga nezve rudzi rwenhaurirano dzinogona kugadzirisa gakava riripo pakati peUnited States neNorth Korea pamwe nepakati peNorth Korea neSouth Korea. .
Kana zvombo zvenyukireya zvikaita basa iri rakaomarara, nei pasi pano North Korea yaizozvisiya? Vaizovarega vachingochinjanisa chibvumirano chorugare chokutsiva kurwisana kwakagumisa Hondo yeKorea here? Zvakanaka, ndinoreva, North Korea yakakumbira chibvumirano cherunyararo, uye zvechokwadi kune vanhu vazhinji pano muUnited States uye muSouth Korea vanotsigira chibvumirano cherunyararo, asi chokwadi, bepa rinogona kunge risiri kuzotsiva. zvekudzivirira nyukireya.
Saka isu tinofanirwa kuuya nemhando dzakasiyana dzezvivimbiso zvekuchengetedza mukuita nhaurirano neNorth Korea, pamwe nekubvuma kuti North Korea haisi kuzosiya simba rayo renyukireya sechigadziro chenhaurirano, izvo zvaive zvechokwadi zvakataurwa naObama. chinzvimbo, uye havasi kuzopa simba renyukireya mushure, toti, vhiki chete yenhaurirano uye vanoti, "Hei, munoziva, imi varume makatipwisa. Tinotenda chaizvo mukuperera kwenyu. Tinokutendai nekupa kwenyu kubvisa masanctions. Tichabvisa zvombo zvedu zvenyukireya.โ Aihwa! Ndinoreva kuti havasi kuzovimba nesu mushure mevhiki yekutaurirana. Zvichatora nguva kuti iyi yekuvaka-kuvimba iite chero rudzi rwekukanganisa pahukuru uye tekinoroji zvikwaniriso zvekugona kwenyukireya kweNorth Korea.
JS: Zvino ini ndoda kukubvunza mibvunzo miviri yandinofunga kuti yakakosha, uye handifunge kuti yese ndiyo inowanzo bvunzwa, uye muchidimbu mhinduro dzinogona kunge dzakaoma kana kuti hadzina kukwana, asi ndichabvunza. ivo zvakadaro vakapa ruzivo rwako muKorea uye kudzidza Korea kwenguva yakareba sezvauinayo. Chekutanga ndechekuti: Ndiani chaizvo ari kutonga North Korea, nekuti zvakaoma kutenda, kunyanya izvozvi, kuti Kim Jong-un ndiye chaiye ari kutonga muNorth Korea?
Zvino chimwe chikamu chazvo ndechekuti nyaya dzinotyisa dzatinonzwa pamusoro pemabatirwo anoitwa vanhu vayo munyika ndezvechokwadi kusvika papi? Takanga tine nyaya iyi apo paiva nemashoko aya aKim Jong-un, munoziva, babamunini vake, avo vakanga vari muuto, vakadyiwa nembwa vari vapenyu, uye zvino zvinoita sekunge ichokwadi zvachose, asi inoramba yakanamatira, saka yekutanga. chikamu chayo ndechekuti, ndiani chaizvo ari kutonga muNorth Korea?
JF: Zvakanaka, mhinduro iri nyore ndeyekuti: Handizive. Uye mhinduro yechipiri hapana anonyatsoziva kunze kweNorth Korea. Hutongi hwagara husina kujeka maererano nekuita sarudzo. Tinoziva kuti kune nzvimbo mbiri dzemasimba: mauto uye bato. Vanopindirana uye mutungamiri akabudirira achave netsoka mumisasa yese, asi pachave nekusawirirana pamusoro pemutemo.
Ndichakupa muenzaniso. Nyaya yenzvimbo yeindasitiri, yaive hupfumi hwaive kuchamhembe kweDMZ, yaifambiswa nemamaneja ekuSouth Korea nemakambani ekuSouth Korea, asi vashandi vaive vekuNorth Korea. Uye iyi yaive mhando yehunyanzvi hwepurojekiti yehupfumi yakavambwa panguva yekupenya kwezuva kwaKim Dae-jung naRoh Moo-hyun, vatungamiriri veSouth Korea. Uye yakamhanya uye rinenge gore kana maviri apfuura yakavharwa pasi naPark Geun-hye.
Asi kuNorth Korea, kuitira kuti chirongwa ichi chivheneke-ruvara, zvakanaka pakanga paine nzira mbiri dzakasiyana. Ndinoreva rimwe bato, bato remauto, rakati, "Hei, inzira yakakosha yemauto, hatisi kuzogadzira nzvimbo yeindasitiri munzira yakakosha iyi inotitendera kupinda nechisimba kuNorth Korea, South Korea kana kudzivirira kuSouth Korea. Kurwiswa kweKorea. Uye iwe uchangoisa iyi yehupfumi yakaoma ipapo? Izvozvo hazvina musoro wemauto.โ Uye rimwe bato rakati, "Hei, iwe unoziva, iyi ibhenefiti huru yehupfumi kwatiri uye pamwe, munoziva, inovaka imwe hukama neSouth iyo inogonawo kudzika mutsara uchitibatsira."
Vanovandudza hupfumi vakakunda zuva iro, uye nzvimbo yeindasitiri yakavakwa, saka une rudzi irworwo rwemubatanidzwa mukati meNorth Korea kunyangwe pasina mapato epamutemo. Ndinoreva kuti, hapana mapato ezvematongerwo enyika, hatisati tanyatso ratidza chero rudzi rwezvematongerwo enyika, zvikwata zvepfungwa mukati mebato kana mukati memauto. Zvese izvozvo hazvina kunyatsojeka. Ndinoreva, isu tinongoziva nezvazvo mushure mechokwadi, semuenzaniso, apo, iwe unoziva, Kim Il-sung akaisa hupanduki nevakuru vemauto kana kuuraya boka revanhu iro rakazobatanidzwa neboka rezvematongerwo enyika.
Kim Jong-un, sezvawakataura, akabvisa babamunini vake Jang Song-thaek, haana kuti adyiwe nembwa, asi iwe unoziva, zvakadaro, rudzi rwehutsinye nzira yaakamuuraya nayo. Jang Song-thaek, zvakanaka, zvinogoneka kuti akamiririra bato rakasiyana, bato rakabatana neChina, rakabatana nekuvandudzwa kwehupfumi mukati meNorth Korea, asi zvakare rakabatana naJang Song-thaek achiisa muhomwe dzake semugumisiro wehukama hwake neChina. . Asi zvisinei iwe unoda kuzvidudzira, zvirokwazvo yaive nzvimbo yesimba iyo Kim Jong-un ainzwa kusagadzikana nayo, uye takaona mumakore mashanu, matanhatu apfuura, sezvakaita sekuru vake, kubvisa kwake vese vangangokwikwidza.
Izvi zvinoreva here kuti Kim Jong-un ndiye anotora danho rekutanga muNorth Korea nhasi? Zvakanaka, maererano nemafungiro ehurumende uye maererano, iwe unoziva, nyanzvi dzakawanda dzinotarisa kuNorth Korea, anoita sokuti ndiye Nha.
JS: Asi iwe unoziva, John, ndinofanira kutaura, kana ini ndichiona propaganda yemifananidzo kubva kuNorth Korea uye ukaona Kim Jong-un achifamba-famba uye ane vese vemauto aya nevamwe vemauto vane zvipfuva zvavo zvakazadzwa nezvose zvavo. menduru, ndinoshaya kuti ndozvibvunza kuti kana ndikatarisa zvinhu izvozvo, sekuti, varume ava vanofungei kufamba-famba nemwana uyu uye kuita sekunge ndiye uber-genius uyu? Sei boka ravo rikasaungana vongoti, โTese tinofunga kuti kupenga uku, handiti?โ
Ndinoreva, hongu, unonongedza kuti vanogona kuurayiwa nenzira inotyisa, asi ini ndinongo funga kuti panofanira kunge paine kubvumirana kwese kwavanotarisana uye vakaita senge, "Hongu izvi ndizvo. tanyatsonzwa kuti tinofanira kuva pedyo nemwana uyu toita sekuti ndiMwari munyama.โ
JF: Hongu, uye izvo, chaizvoizvo, zvinogona kuva mamiriro ezvinhu atinoona mune ramangwana. Ndinoreva kuti handisi kuona semuenzaniso demokrasi ichitora hutongi muNorth Korea, asi pane mukana wakanaka wekuti tingaona kupidigura kwemauto uye vakuru vemauto vachizofunga kuti Kim Jong-un haazive zvaari kutaura -
JS: Asi hapana here vanhu vanofunga, kuti zvechokwadi vakapunzika pfungwa, vakazvarirwa mune izvi, ndizvo chete zvavanoziva, izvo zvavakaudzwa nezvekunze kwenyika ndezvechokwadi. Ndinoreva kuti, chikamu chayo chekuti, "Ehe, uyu akafanana nemwana mudiki ane nutty watinofanira kunge takapfugamira pano, asi kana tikamurova panogona kuita mhirizhonga nekuti munhu wese anofunga kuti ndimwari? โ
JF: Aiwa, handifungi kuti ndizvo zvazviri. Ndinoreva, isu hatina mukana zviri pachena kuNorth Korea kuti vavhote veruzhinji kana chero chinhu chakadaro, asi isu tinoziva kubva kune vakakanganisa - uye kune vangangosvika zviuru makumi matatu vakatsauka muSouth Korea - pamwe neapo neapo sarudzo dzinoitwa dzeNorth Korea muChina. kuti vaone zvavari kufunga, uye kuvimbika kwavo kuhurumende hakuna kwakasimba sezvakwaiva pasi paKim Il-sung, kana kuti Kim Jong-il.
Mune mamwe mazwi, chiremera checharismatic chakasimbisa hutongi hweNorth Korea chakabuda. Chikonzero nei vanhu vachiteerera hachina kunyanya kuomeswa nepfungwa, asi nekutya. Hurumende yeNorth Korea ine hurongwa hwekutarisa hwakanyanyisa hunoda, semuenzaniso, kuti vanhu vatatu vataure nezvemunhu mumwechete munharaunda uye kuti mishumo mitatu iyi inodzokororwa katatu kuti ive nechokwadi chekuti munhu ari kuongororwa haana chaakataura. zvisina kufanira, asi kunyangwe ivo vanhu vatatu vari kuita ongororo, kuve nechokwadi chekuti zvese zvavanoona zvinopindirana, kuve nechokwadi chekuti vari munzira zvakare.
Saka une iyi inoshamisa, inopindirana yekutarisa sisitimu inoita kuti zviome zvakanyanya kune chero anopikisa kudzika midzi. Ndinoreva kuti munhu wese anotya kuti, munoziva, kunyangwe nhengo dzemhuri yavo dzinogona kuvapa, kana shamwari dzavo dzinogona kuvapa, nekuti, munoziva, kupona.
Asi mubvunzo wako wechipiri waive, unoziva, nyaya idzi dzekutyorwa kwekodzero dzevanhu ndedzechokwadi kusvika papi. Uye ini ndingati, hongu, kune dzimwe dzisiri dzechokwadi, dzakagadzirwa, asi kazhinji, tine humbowo hwakakwana hunoratidza kuti hurumende yakachengetedza mamiriro ezvinhu anotyisa emusasa wevashandi. Yakaita kuuraya muchidimbu nguva nenguva.
Asi tinofanira kuyeuka kuti izvi zvinoshanda kune chikamu chiduku chevanhu. Ndinoreva, zvinoita sekunge ungabvunza wako wepakati wekuAmerica nezve kuvharirwa wega mumajeri. Vanogona kuzviziva asi havaizoziva chero munhu anga akavharirwa ega uye vaiti, "Zvakanaka, hazvinetse ini pachangu, kana bhuku rangu rehomwe, uye hazvireve kuti United States inyika inotyora kodzero dzevanhu. "
Kune vanhu vazhinji muNorth Korea vane hukama hushoma pane zviri kuitika mumisasa yechibharo. Vari kunetseka nazvo. Vanotyira kuti vangangogumira ikoko, asi vanorarama upenyu hwavo nenzira yakanaka. Vanoenda kubasa, vanoita basa ravo, vanoramba vakatsikitsira, uye vanotarisira kuti zvinhu zvichachinja. Uye saka pane mutsauko mukuru pakati pemamiriro ezvinhu anotyisa anoitika mumisasa yevasungwa, uye hupenyu hwako hwemazuva ese, kunyanya muPyongyang, rinova guta revakuru.
JS: Ndizvozvo, uye icho chikamu cheiyo nuance yandinofunga kuti inowanzorasika kana iwe uchiteerera, zvakanaka, ikozvino kune pakarepo-yakagadzirira nyanzvi dzeKorea dziri paTV nekuda kwekumisikidzwa kwehutongi hwaTrump, asi inotsanangurwa senge munhu wese. munyika vari mujeri uye zuva nezuva vari kutyorwa kodzero dzavo zvakaipisisa. Uye ndinofunga kuti fungidziro yakapihwa haisi yekuti vanogara muhudzvanyiriri hwemauto hwakafanana nekuve mutirongo, asi kuti misasa yechibharo ndiyo mashandiro ari kuita nyika yese. Ndinofunga iwe unogona kuwana fungidziro kubva pakuona kunyanya makambani cable nhau yekuvhara.
Asi ndaida kukubvunza, vatungamiriri vekuNorth Korea vanowana sei mari yavo? Kufanana nezviri kukonzera hukuru pakati pevakuru, mari inobva kupi iyo iyo North Korean elite hurumende, mauto anayo?
JF: Zvakanaka, hongu, hupfumi hweNorth Korea huripo uye saka unoziva kuti hurumende yeNorth Korea inogona kutora imwe mari kubva mukugadzirwa kweindasitiri nekurima kunoenderera mberi. Asi ini ndingati mari yakawanda yaizobva kune dzimwe nzvimbo. Saka, semuenzaniso, hurumende yeChinese yakadyarwa zvakanyanya muNorth Korea, kunyanya kuchamhembe kweNorth Korea. North Korea ine hupfumi hwakawanda hwezvicherwa, ine marasha, ine goridhe, ine isingawanzo pasi zvinhu, uye China inoiswa mari mukubvisa izvo zvinhu, uye chokwadi, mari inogadzirwa nazvo uye iyo mari inoyerera ichikwirawo.
Kupfuura China, North Korea inozivikanwa nekuita hupfumi hwenyika nenzira chete yainokwanisa - nemamwe mazwi, nekuda kwezvirango, nekuda kwezvimwe zvirambidzo zvakaiswa pahupfumi hweNorth Korea, North Korea haigone kutora chikamu mune capitalism sezvainoda. kuenda, uye pachinzvimbo, inoita kudaro mumusika wegrey kana nzira dzemusika mutema. Munguva yakapfuura, yakanyatsobatanidzwa mukugadzirwa kwezvinodhaka uye kutengesa zvinodhaka. Vakuru vemuzinda waro pasi rose vakasungwa, vakadzingwa kunze kwenyika, nekuda kwekuita mabasa akasiyana siyana, kubva pakutengesa doro nefodya kusvika pakutengesa chaiko, senyanga dzezvipembere.
Saka pane mari kubva ipapo. Uye ipapo ndaizotaura pakupedzisira kuti kune nzira nyowani dzekuita mari mucybersphere. Saka, semuenzaniso, pane humbowo hwekuti North Korea yanga ichibira mumabhangi kuti ingobvisa mari nenzira iyoyo. Uye zvakare, iwe unogona kuti, zvakanaka, iyi ndiyo nzira iyo nyika ipi neipi yaizoita kana ikarambidzwa kupinda nenzira iri pamutemo kubva kuhupfumi hwenyika, yaizofanira kuwana gonhi rekumashure. Zvichida kana ikapiwa mukana wekushanda zviri pamutemo muhupfumi hwepasi rose, ichaita zviri pamutemo. Asi izvozvo, chokwadi, chimwe chinhu chinofanira kuedzwa.
JS: Ikozvino ini ndoda kuenda iko zvino nditaure nezve chinzvimbo icho hutongi hwaTrump ipapo, chinzvimbo chiri kubuda, chokwadi isu takanga tine Mutevedzeri weMutungamiri Mike Pence [shanyira] DMZ, iyo nzvimbo isina mauto, uye akadzokorora zvakare izvo Secretary of State Rex. Tillerson akati pakushanya kwake nguva pfupi yadarika kuSouth Korea, inova nguva yekushivirira kwehurongwa yapera. Uye Pence akataura chaizvo kuti tiri kuisa maNorth Korea ziviso nezvezvombo zvavo zvenyukireya. Chii chaunoverenga pamusoro pekuti hutongi hwaTrump humisikirwo hweveruzhinji huri kutambirwa sei muPyongyang, uye izvi zvinogona kutungamira chii?
JF: Zvakanaka, hutongi hwaTrump hunouya sehutongi hwese hwekare mumutemo wakananga kuNorth Korea, ichiti zvakaitwa nevakamutangira zvakatadza, uye achaita basa riri nani. Saka, hongu, Obama akadaro. George W. Bush akataura izvozvo, kunyange Clinton akataura izvozvo. Saka hachisi chinhu chitsva. VaObama vakamira kwemakore masere vaine moyo murefu. Zvakatadza, ndinoreva, zvakakundikana zviri pachena, pakanga pasina nhaurirano dzakabudirira kunze kwechibvumirano cheLeap Day chakagara kwerinenge zuva nehafu.
Uye North Korea yakaramba ichivaka hunyanzvi hwayo hwenyukireya, saka zviri pachena kuti yakakundikana. Uye zvakare hutongi hwaTrump hwakaona sezvakamboitwa nemamwe manejimendi kuti, hongu, zviri nyore kutaura kuti chinzvimbo chehurumende yapfuura chakakundikana, asi zvakaoma chaizvo kuunza imwe yakabudirira.
VaTrump vakatanga vataura kuti, sekutaura kwaita manejimendi apfuura, kuendesa dambudziko kumaChina, kuita kuti China igadzirise dambudziko iri kuUnited States. Uye izvo zvechokwadi zvinokundikana pane chero nhamba yekuverenga. Kwete 1, China haiiti kukumbira kweUnited States panyaya dzemitemo yekunze, uye Nha. Pyongyang anongwarira kudzivirira chero rudzi rwehukama hwekutsamira neChina uye anoramba ese eChina zano, kazhinji.
Saka achikundikana, chokwadi Trump akaona kuti haakwanise kuvimba nemaChinese, akaedza chimwe chinhu, isu tichazviita isu. Asi izvozvo zvinorevei? Zvakanaka, zvinogona kureva zvirango zvehupfumi zvakanyanya, zvinogona kureva kurwisa kwemauto kusati kwaitika, zvinogona kureva nhaurirano.
Hutongi hwaTrump hwakaita ongororo yayo yehurongwa hweNorth Korea. Mhedziso yaive yekuti kurova kwemauto kusati kwamboitika kwakange kwakashata pane zvese zvingangofungidzirwa kuverenga, kuti zvingave njodzi kuUnited States uye zvakatonyanya kuSouth Korea neJapan, uyezve North Korea neChina. Uye saka izvo zvinosiya zvakaomesesa zvirango zvehupfumi uye nhaurirano. Uye ndinofunga isu tine vaviri vari kubuda muhutongi izvozvi, naPence achimisa mukana wenhaurirano mukushanya kwake kwazvino.
Inogamuchirwa sei? Zvakanaka, South Korea inonetseka zvakanyanya nezve chero kurwisa kuNorth Korea nekuti, hongu, maSouth Korea aizotambura nemhedzisiro. Mabhomba ekuNorth Korea haakwanise kusvika kuUnited States, anogona kutadza kusvika kuJapan - China, South Korea yaizotakura zvakanyanya kurwiswa kweNorth Korea. Saka havadi izvozvo, zviri pachena.
Pyongyang - zvakanaka, maitiro aPyongyang aive ekuve neruzhowa rwekuratidzira pazuva rekuzvarwa kwaKim Il-sung. Uye saka vakakanda zvombo zvinokandwa zvakawanda sezvavaigona kuwana, kunyangwe zvisiri kushanda, kutumira chiratidzo chekuti vagadzirira chero rudzi rwekurwisa. Uye kana United States yakapusa kuti iedze kutora nzvimbo yekuNorth Korea yekuyedza nyukireya, vaizopindura nenzira.
Uye kuti, ndinofunga, ndiko kwatiri kunanga. Isu tine, iwe unoziva, mhando yematanho akajairwa ekukwira iyo yega yega hurumende yekutanga, hutongi hutsva United States, yakatarisana neNorth Korea. Tarisiro yangu ndeyekuti hutongi hwaTrump hunoziva kuti, zvakanaka, zvirango zvakaomarara zvehupfumi ndeimwe nzira, asi kutaura chokwadi, takaedza izvozvo, uye hazvina kunyatsoshanda.
Asi nhaurirano, zvakanaka, dzakashanda, uye dzakashanda muna 1994, dzakatoshanda panguva yekutonga kwaGeorge W. Bush nehurukuro dzemapato matanhatu. Zvose zvibvumirano izvi zvakakonzera kuoma kwechando uye kunyange kuparara kweNorth Korea simba renyukireya. Saka ndiyo isina-brainer sekufunga kwangu, ingori mubvunzo wekuti hutongi hwaTrump hunouyawo pakuziva izvozvo.
JS: Kana, kana paine chaizvo sevanhu vane njere, munoziva, vari kumhanyisa show. Ini ndinofunga kuti kana tichitaura nezveBush naCheney, munoziva, pane imwe nzira yehuipi yakauya neoconservatives, asi pane mamwe mazinga, vaive nemhando yekugona uye mukati mehurukuro yakagamuchirwa muWashington, DC ndine yangu. Kuongorora kwakakomba kweizvozvo, uye mapato ese ari maviri anotamba mazviri, asi naTrump, isu tiri chaizvo, ndinofunga, mune imwe nzvimbo yakasiyana.
Sezvatinoona kuburikidza ne Twitter feed, uye ini chandinetsa hachisi chekuti mumwe munhu akaita saMattis anova munyori wezvekudzivirirwa angati, "Ehe, ngatiite pre-emptive yekutanga kurwisa North Korea." Asi kuti mamwe emhando yemumvuri nzungu akatenderedza hutongi uhu, kusanganisira vamwe vakashongedzwa vakasiya basa vemauto eUS, tanga tichinzwa kuti vari kusundira izvozvo, uye ndinovimba ingori izwi diki, asi ndinofunga ipapo. rudzi rwakasiyana rwechikonzero chekushushikana nehutongi uhwu huchipikisa kunyangwe boka reBush-Cheney, uye ndiri kuda kuziva kana iwe uchida kusundira kumashure pane izvo, kana uchibvumirana, kana imwe vhezheni yakasiyana?
JF: Zvakanaka, ndinobvuma kune imwe nhanho, asi ndingati hutongi hweBush, kwemakore matanhatu, hwakatora hunhu hwakaipa kuNorth Korea, uye takasvika pedyo nekukwira nekuda kwe, kutaura chokwadi, vepfungwa. mukati meBush administration. Cheney, kusanganisirwa kweNorth Korea muAxis of Evil, chirevo chaCheney chekuti "Hatitaurire zvakaipa, tinokunda zvakaipa." Kuramba kubata neNorth Korea pa-
JS: Zvakanaka, uye John Bolton.
JF: Uye John Bolton. Zvamazvirokwazvo. Saka, iwe unoziva, isu takave nemhando yekukwira kwevanofunga temu yekutanga uyezve kunyange makore mashoma ekutanga temu yechipiri vasati vatora basa. Panyaya iyi, Chris Hill, uyo akanga atumirwa munzvimbo dzakasiyana-siyana, gare gare muIraq asi muPoland neMacedonia, vanhu vakaita saVictor Cha, wandakanga ndisingabvumirani naye pamitemo yeKorea asati apinda muBush administration, asi ndinofunga akaenda. kuburikidza nerudzi rwekuchinja kwegungwa mukunzwisisa kwake North Korea semugumisiro wekuona kuti chimiro chepfungwa chinobva kune neocons chaive chii.
Uye saka akafanana, "Ah, zvakanaka, ndinofunga tinogona kutaurirana neNorth Korea mushure mezvose." Uyezve kunyengetedza Condoleezza Rice kuti atore chinzvimbo ichocho padanho repamusoro.
Nehutongi hwaTrump, hongu, zvachose, munoziva kune vanhu vakaita saSteve Bannon vane maonero akajeka erudzi uye mubvunzo chaiwo ndewekuti, kune hutongi hweBush, zvakatora makore matanhatu pasati paitika imwe hurongwa kubva pazasi. Isu hatina nguva yakadaro uye ndinovimba kuti hatina mazwi maviri ehutongi hwaTrump, kuitira kuti mutemo wakadaro [uuye] makore matanhatu kubva zvino uye tiri kuona zvimwe zviratidzo zvekutsaurwa kweakaipisisa. mhando dzepfungwa. Ehe, kudzinga Bannon kubva kukomiti yemukuru uye National Security Council, kutumira KT McFarland kuenda kuSingapore.
Iwe unoziva, pamwe tiri kuona imwe yakakurumidza vhezheni yezvakaitika mumakore eBush umo maitirwo anosundirwa kudivi zvishoma nekukurumidza uye pamwe tichaona, munoziva, nzira yepragmatic yekuNorth Korea inobuda zvakanyanya. nokukurumidza kupfuura zvayakaita mumakore iwayo.
JS: Uye, patiri kupedzisa pano, ndiri kuda kuziva kuti chii chakaitika, hatizive chaizvo zvakataurwa naBarack Obama kuna Donald Trump, asi zvakanzi aitya shit kubva kuna Trump paakasimudza. North Korea, sezvavakaita musangano wavo. Isu tine chikonzero chekutya North Korea izvozvi uye chii chaungafungidzira kuti zvaive zviri mukati meizvo Barack Obama akataura chaizvo kuna Donald Trump?
JF: Zvakanaka, ndinofungidzira kuti Obama akaudza Trump chimwe chinhu chakafanana nezvakataurwa naBush kwaari panguva yekuchinja. Uye Bush, tinoziva, akataura zvinhu zviviri. Akakumbira VaObama ndapota kuti vachengete zvirongwa zviviri munzvimbo, uye icho chaive chirongwa che drone uye chirongwa cheStuxnet, rudzi rwekubira macentrifuges eIran anodzosera chirongwa chavo chenyukireya.
Uye Obama akati, "Zvakanaka, ndinoreva kuti pane zvimwe zvinhu [zvichashanduka]." Asi VaObama vakabata zvinzvimbo zviviri izvi. Mukutenderera uku ndinofungidzira kuti VaObama vakati, "Ndokumbira unamatira kuchirongwa che drone." Nekuti Obama aifarira izvozvo uye ndinofungidzira kuti akataura chimwe chinhu chakafanana nezvechirongwa chakafanana nechirongwa chenyukireya cheNorth Korea. Mune mamwe mazwi, rudzi rwekubira kodhi uko, kubva kune ese mishumo, yakanganisa budiriro yeNorth Korea nekukandwa kwayo kwezvipombwe.
Ini ndinofunga angangodaro akataura kuti North Korea idambudziko rakakura, iro Trump haagone kuridzivirira, haagone kuifuratira. Uye kana izvo zvichishanda - zvakaoma kuziva kuti chii chinosvika kuna Trump. Chokwadi harisi zano remitemo. Zvirokwazvo kuteterera kwakakosha kunosvika kwaari kubva kuna Jared Kushner kana mwanasikana wake.
JS: Fox uye Shamwari, John. Fox uye Shamwari ndiyo chete yakakosha sosi yeruzivo kune ino White House.
JF: [Achiseka.] Ichokwadi. Saka -
JS: Asi pfungwa yandiri kuwana ndeyekuti isu tine chimwe chinhu chekutya kubva kuNorth Korea here? Uye kana ndichiti "isu," handireve kuti United States, asi ndiwo mabatirwo anoitwa zvinhu pano, tinogara tichibvunza kuti zvinotikanganisa sei isu pachedu? Asi, pfungwa dzangu, uye ini handisi nechero fungidziro yenyanzvi paKorea, handisati ndambove, handina kumbotaura nezvazvo. Saka ndiri kubvunza izvi, ndinofunga, nevamwe vanhu vazhinji zvakare - pfungwa yangu ndeyekuti, iwe unoziva, kana tikasaputira dendere rehornet, mikana yekuti North Korea ichangorwisa United States kana. kunyange South Korea haisipo. Ndiri kukanganisa here kana kuti pane kutya kuri kuitika?
JF: Aiwa, ndinofunga kuti wakarurama. North Korea, sezvawakataura pakutanga kwechiratidziro, kumiririrwa kwaKim Jong-un serudzi rwehudzvinyiriri kana mucheche asina zvinangwa zvine musoro hakuna kunaka. Kwete 1 chinangwa chine musoro chaKim Jong-un kuchengetedza chiremera chake uye kuchengetedzwa kwehurongwa hwake hwehurumende. Anoziva kuti chero kurwiswa kweSouth Korea kana United States kwaizoperetera kuguma kweNorth Korea senyika, uye hongu, nekuwedzera, kuguma kwake nehutongi hwake. Saka kuzvichengetedza kwakachena kunoraira kuti, kwete, North Korea haisi kuzopinda mumhando ipi neipi yekurwisa nyika yakazvimirira.
Nekune rimwe divi, sezvatinotya kuti Donald Trump anogona kuita chimwe chinhu chisingatarisirwi zvachose nekuti arikuteerera Fox uye Shamwari, kana akagadzira imwe hobbyhorse pfungwa nezve imwe nyika, kuti anogona kuita chimwe chinhu chisina musoro chingave kupfura United States mutsoka uye achidzikisa masimba ake ezvematongerwo enyika, asi anozviita zvakadaro nekuti haafunge nezvezvinhu izvi. Zvinogoneka kuti Kim Jong-un aizoita chimwe chinhu chakafanana. Ini ndaizoisa izvo mune kure kure seti yezvinogoneka. Asi handingangozvisiiwi zvachose. Ndingati handisi kunetsekana neNorth Korea nenzira iyoyo asi kune rudzi urwu - kana North Korea ikasundidzirwa kumadziro, kana ikanzwa senge isina imwe sarudzo, kuti system - system yayo - iripo. muganhu wekupunzika zvakadaro uye iri kutyisidzirwa neSouth Korea neUnited States neJapan uye nzira chete yekubuda nayo inoita kunge nzira yemauto, zvakanaka, hazvigoneke kuti vangaenda nenzira iyoyo.
JS: Zvakanaka, John, nekukurumidza, kutenderera kuno: Ndiani angango shandisa chombo chenyukireya, Donald Trump kana Kim Jong-un? Mhinduro pfupi ndapota.
JF: Donald Trump.
JS: Zvakanaka, ndiani anonyanya kuita narcissist: Kim Jong-un kana Donald Trump?
JF: Donald Trump, zvachose. [Achiseka.] Ndinoreva, ibasa retsika dzeAmerica. Tsika dzechiKorea hadzikurudzire rudzi irworwo rwekunyomba.
JS: Ndiani anoshandisa nguva yakawanda pabvudzi ravo mangwanani ega ega: Kim Jong-un kana Donald Trump?
JF: Mubvunzo wakanaka. Ndinoreva, pamwe, munoziva, Donald Trump nekuti akura uye bvudzi rake rinoda kuchengetwa kwerudzi irworwo.
JS: Sutu dzaani dzinodhura zvakanyanya: Donald Trump kana Kim Jong-un?
JF: Zvirokwazvo Donald Trump. Zvamazvirokwazvo.
JS: Ko vese Kim Jong-un naDonald Trump masutu anogadzirwa kuChina?
JF: [Anoseka.] Kwete wekuNorth Korea, ndinoreva kuti Kim Jong-un achatora masutu kubva kuMadokero kana kuti achagadzirwa nemafekitori evinyl lawn mukati meNorth Korea.
JS: Zvakanaka, tichakupa - mubairo wako uri munzira, imotokari inoshamisa yekuNorth Korea, inomhanya zvachose paJuche.
JF: Izvo zvinoshamisa uye izvi zvichaunzwa neAmazon drone?
JS: Hongu, hongu, tiri kuyedza kuve nerunyararo rwedu pano pakati paTrump naKim Jong-un, uye ndinofunga tazvifunga, John. John Feffer, ndatenda nekuva nesu paIntercepted.
JF: Maita basa nekundiwanira pashow.
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