Israeri yakamboita zvakare akaita kuuraya kwakafanorongwa, kwakazara masikati machena, pamberi pemakamera enyika. Zvakaitikazve muGaza.
Musi waChivabvu 14, varwi veIsrael nemamwe mauto vakapfura vanopfuura makumi matanhatu ePalestine, uye vakakuvadza zviuru zvevamwe, kusanganisira vagari, vatori venhau, uye vanobatsira varwere. "Unoedza nzira dzisingaurayi uye hadzishande," akadaro Mutungamiriri weIsrael Benjamin Netanyahu. “Saka unosara uine sarudzo dzakaipa. Chinhu chakaipa. Unoziva, unoedza uye unoenda kuzasi kwebvi, uye dzimwe nguva hazvishande, uye zvinosuruvarisa kuti zvinhu izvi zvinodzivirirwa. "
Zvinoita sekuti nzira chete yekusaurayiwa, sekureva kwaNetanyahu, kubvuma zvinyoronyoro kusungwa mukati mejeri reGaza. Pakati peavo vakaurayiwa nemauto eIsrael pakanga paine mucheche ane mwedzi misere. Zita rake ainzi Laila al-Ghandour. Vakaurayawo vamwe vana vanomwe uye murume aive muwiricheya, uye murume uyu akange arasika makumbo mushure mekunge vadimburwa gumbo zvichitevera kurwiswa kwakaitwa neIsrael.
Israel yakabuda pachena kuti inotenda kuti ine kodzero yekuponda maPalestine zvine hungwaru nekuda kwemhosva yekuramba iripo. Hapana kuzvidzivirira pane zvakaitwa naIsraeri. Hapana. NeChipiri, ndakataura naYousef Mema, mudzidzi wechidiki wekuPalestine wehukoti muGaza. Yousef haasi nhengo yeHamas. Iye muPalestine asiri chizvarwa achidzidzira kuve mukoti. Ndakataura naye achangobuda muchipatara cheShifa kuGaza. Ndiko kwakaunzwa vazhinji vevakafa nevakakuvadzwa nekupondwa kwevanhu vakawanda nemusi weMuvhuro.
“Ndashamiswa zvikuru nezvandakaona ikoko. Pane makumi emaamburenzi aisvika kwatiri kuchipatara uye achiendesa kukuvara. Paiva nenhamba huru yekukuvara. Vakapfurwa zvakananga nemauto eIsrael,” Mema akadaro. “Vazhinji vavo vakapfurwa pachipfuva nekumusana nepamutsipa, uye ndakaona makumi ekukuvara pasi mukati mechipatara cheAl-Shifa nekuti [kwakanga] kusina mibhedha yakakwana. Mibhedha yese yaive yakazara nekukuvara. Ndinoona, mumaziso angu, makumi kusvika kumazana ekukuvara pasi, akamirira chiremba kuti auye kuzovapa kurapwa. Pachipatara pacho pakanga pakaipa. Vanhu vari muno muGaza Strip, vari kurarama mumamiriro ezvinhu akaoma zvikuru. Vari kugara mujeri rakavhurika. Hakuna hupenyu muGaza Strip. "
Mema akataura kuti vagari veGaza vari kusarudza "kuramba murunyararo kuratidza nyika kuti Mauto eIsrael ichokwadi [i] tsotsi rehondo. Ivo [vari] kuuraya varatidziri murunyararo pamuganhu weGaza. Vanhu vakaurayiwa ivavo, vane mhuri. Vamwe vavo [vakaroora] uye vane mudzimai uye vane vana. Chishuvo changu ndechekurarama pasina kutambura kwatinako muno muGaza Strip. "
NeChipiri, Mumiriri weUN, Nikki Haley, akaunza mhosva yakawanda kuti ipfuure kuSecurity Council yerufu rwevaPalestine vasina zvombo. Akapomera Iran. Akapomera Hamas mhosva. Akapomera maPalestine akaratidzira. Asi Nikki Haley haana kuisa mhosva paIsraeri. “Izvi ndizvo zviri kuisa vanhu veGaza panjodzi. Usaite chikanganiso — Hamas iri kufara nezvakabuda,” vakadaro. "Hapana nyika mukamuri ino ingaite nekuzvidzora kupfuura zvakaitwa neIsrael."
Mushure mekunge Nikki Haley apomera maPalestine mhosva yekuzviuraya nematsotsi eIsrael, haana kana kuterera nhume dzePalestine kuUN Akabuda pavakatanga kutaura.
Zvakanga zvakakodzera kuti kuurayiwa kwevanhu kweIsrael kuGaza kuchangoitika apo United States yaipemberera kuvhurwa kwayo zviri pamutemo kwemuzinda weUS kuJerusarema. Zvakanga zvakakodzera kuti mwanasikana waPresident Donald Trump, Ivanka, nemukuwasha wake, Jared Kushner, vaipemberera uye vachifarira kudya kwakanaka uye nemabiko nemakororo ehondo eIsrael uye vaiti vechitendero vekuAmerica ukuwo maPalestine aipondwa.
Jared naIvanka pavakanga vachiparadzana, vanhu vekuPalestine vaipfurwa nepfuti nekuda kwekupikisa kodzero yavo yekudzokera kunyika dzavakadzingwa nepfuti nematangi uye nekubhomba makore makumi manomwe apfuura. Zvakanga zvakakodzera kuti Barbie naKen vezvekudyidzana nedzimwe nyika vaivepo kuti vatambe mutambo wemuJerusarema, nekuti ndizvo zvinonyanya kutaurwa neUS mutemo - kupemberera Israeri kunyangwe mhosva dzaive dzakaipa sei, zvisinei kuti kururamiswa kwaishoreka sei, uku vachiti. Vana vePalestine uye vanhu vakaremara zvombo zvinoda kuregeredzwa muzita rekuchengetedza. Uye iyi haisi hyperbole: Iyo IDF's yepamutemo Twitter feed yakaburitsa graphic yakanzi "Hamas 'Zvishandiso zvekupinda muIsrael." Zvaisanganisira zvinhu zvakaita seMolotov cocktails, matombo, waya dzekucheka uye izvo zvavaidaidza kuti "makiti ekupisa." IDF yakanyorawo "vana," "vanhu vakaremara" uye "tambo yakasungirirwa pafenzi." Vakanyora izvo sezvombo zveHamas, sekunge Hamas iri kuunza vanhu vari muwiricheya panzvimbo yenyukireya yeIsrael kana kupfura vacheche vane mwedzi misere paIsrael drones. "Zvakanaka, hatigoni kuisa vanhu vose ava mutirongo," akadaro mutauriri wehurumende yeIsrael Michal Maayan. "Tiri kutaura nezve mazana evanhu ari kurwisa fenzi, uye ndinogona kukuudza kuti IDF, mauto edu, haasi kuda kuuraya."
Munhoroondo yemazuva ano hamuna kumbova nedanidziro isina tsitsi, yakatsiga yekurangwa kwakabatana sekuya kwakaitwa neIsraeri mukurwisa vanhu veGaza. Uye chirango ichocho chinotyisa zvakakwana, kana iwe uchingofunga nezve mhedzisiro yerubatsiro yekuvharika uye chepfu yezvakatipoteredza uye mvura. Asi ipapo wedzera kune izvozvo kupondwa kwenguva dzose kwavanhu vakavharirwa chaizvoizvo pakati pegungwa nenyika-yakashongedzerwa nezvombo zvenyukireya, nemichina yokuuraya vanhu vakawanda yakafambira mberi zvikuru papasi uye unofanira kubvunza kuti: Israeri inodei chaizvoizvo? Uye mhinduro, inoratidzika, ndeyekuzviisa pasi uye kugamuchirwa kwekuderedzwa kwevanhu nevaPalestine kana kuti vanofa.
Vhiki rino paIntercepted, takataura nemudzidzi asina kunyorwa Norman Finkelstein. Akanyora mabhuku gumi nerimwe anosanganisira, "The Holocaust Industry," uye "Kupfuura Chutzpah: Pakushandiswa Zvisizvo kweAnti-Semitism uye Kushungurudzwa Kwenhoroondo." Nyaya yemhuri yaNorman inotyisa. Baba vake vaive muJudha anopikisa maNazi uye vakapona muWarsaw Ghetto nemusasa wevasungwa weNazi kuAuschwitz. Amai vake vakaponawo muWarsaw ghetto, musasa wevasungwa weMajdanek, uye basa revaranda rakaiswa nemaNazi. Norman akakurira muBrooklyn. Baba vake vaive mushandi wefekitori uye amai vake vaigara pamba nevana.
Finkelstein anoti akatariswa maonero ake ekutaura uye kudzidza paIsrael. Pave papfuura makore gumi kubva Finkelstein ave achikwanisa kudzidzisa kuyunivhesiti. Anoramba achishora. "Ndezvo here, kudaidza zvinhu nemazita chaiwo kutaura kuti maPalestine muGaza vari kuyedza kutyora fenzi yemuganhu?" akabvunza. "Aihwa. MaPalestine muGaza vari kuyedza kutyora fenzi yemusasa wevasungwa. Vari kuedza kuputsa fenzi yeghetto. Vari kuedza kupaza gedhi rejeri.”
Bhuku razvino raFinkelstein, rakaburitswa muna Ndira, rinonzi "Gaza: An Inquest in its Martyrdom." Kunyatsoongorora mapeji mazana mana nemakumi mana emutemo wepasirese, wekurwiswa kwakasimba kweIsrael neGaza nevanhu vayo uye inopa inogona kunge iri nhoroondo yechokwadi yeimwe yeanonyanya kutyisa uye akasimba danidziro yekurangwa kwakabatana munhoroondo yenyika yanhasi. Hapana kana chinyorwa chikuru muUS chakaongorora bhuku raNorman.
Izvi zvinotevera rondedzero yakazara yehurukuro yedu naFinkelstein, chidimbu chakabuda paIntercepted.
Jeremy Scahill: Norman, tinogamuchirwa kuIntercepted.
Norman Finkelstein: Ndatenda nekuve neni.
JS: Chekutanga, mhinduro yako kune zviri kuitika izvozvi pasi muPalestine.
NF: Zvakanaka zvaive zvakafanotaurwa. Muchokwadi, zvakafanotaurwa, Kurume Kukuru Kwekudzoka, sekudaidzwa kwazvaiitwa. Zvakatanga musi wa30 Kurume, vakati zvichaenderera mberi kwemavhiki matanhatu, vakati zvichange zvanyanya svondo rino. Pakutanga yaifanirwa kuguma pana Chivabvu 15, asi zvino, nokuda kwokufukunurwa kwomumiriri weUnited States muJerusarema, vakaikwidza kusvika May 14. Asi kunze kwokusiyana ikoko mumazuva, zvinhu zvose zvakanga zviri maererano nezvakarongwa. Uye kunyangwe ukatarisa mapepa eIsrael, ivo vaifungidzira kuti vangani vavaizouraya. Vakauya nenhamba ye100. Uye hazvisati zvanyatsojeka kuti vangani pakupera kwezuva vachaurayiwa, nokuti pane kuedza kubuda mujeri neChipiri, neChitatu neChishanu.
JS: Kana iwe uchiti zvakafanotaurwa zvachose, unorevei?
NF: VaIsraeri vakati vaizouraya vanhu pavakaedza kutyora gedhi rejeri. Vanhu vaive mukati mejeri vakati vachaedza kubuda mujeri. Izvo hazvitore rocket sainzi kufunga kuti chii chichaitika mune iyo mamiriro.
JS: Kana muchiti jeri muri kurevei?
NF: Handidi kunyanya kutaura nezveizvi, asi Confucius akamboti, “Mavambo ouchenjeri hwose kudana zvinhu nemazita azvo chaiwo.” Izvi zvingaite semhanza yekupinda cookie, asi kutaura zvazviri ipfungwa yakadzikama. Zvakanditorera nguva yakareba kuti ndiite kuti ndizvibate, kana kuti zvigadziriswe nepfungwa dzangu.
Saka, mune iyo nyaya iripo, kana iwe ukatarisa kune akajairwa zvinyorwa zvinoratidzira propaganda yeIsrael, kana iwe ukangotarisa kuTimes, ivo vanoramba vachitaura nezvemuganho fenzi. Border fence inoreva kana nyika mbiri dzakazvitonga dzikamira kune rumwe rutivi rwefenzi iyoyo.
Asi zvino ngatitarisei chokwadi: Kare kumashure muna 2003, muHebheru yunivhesiti yezvemagariro evanhu Baruch Kimmerling, aive nyanzvi yezvemagariro evanhu, zvino kana ndichiti kumashure muna 2003, rangarira kuti kuvharika, kusimba kwekuvharika, kwakasimudzwa. muna 2006 mushure mesarudzo dzakaunza Hamas pachigaro. Saka, apo Kimmerling aitaura, pakanga pari kusati kwanyanya kuvharika kwatanga, uye akatsanangura Gaza se, uye zvino ndiri kutaura nezvake, “musasa wechibharo mukurusa wati wamboti wamboitwa pasi rose.
Pepanhau rinoremekedzwa reIsrael rinonzi Ha'aretz, vanotaura nezve“Gaza Ghetto,” nemanzwi ari pachena evaJudha, Warsaw Ghetto.
Uye kana iwe ukatora Mutungamiriri weBritish anochengetedza David Cameron, akataura nezveGaza sejeri rakavhurika.
Saka, ichokwadi here, iko kudaidza zvinhu nemazita avo chaiwo kutaura kuti maPalestine muGaza vari kuedza kuputsa fence yemuganhu? Kwete. VaPalestine muGaza vari kuedza kuputsa fenzi yemusasa wevasungwa. Vari kuedza kuputsa fenzi yeghetto. Vari kuedza kutyora gedhi rejeri.
Asi iyo inongova hafu yenyaya. Nekuti harisi kana jeri. Haisi kunyange, mukuona kwangu, haisi kunyange musasa wevasungwa. Ini handidi kunyanya hunyanzvi nezve izvi, asi maNazi aive nemhando mbiri dzemisasa - misasa yevasungwa inodzokera kuHondo yeBoer muSouth Africa, uyezve kune misasa yekuparadza, chiri chimwe chinhu chakaparadzana. Kwete nguva dzose yakaparadzana, mumisasa yakaita seMajdanek neAuschwitz. Vakabatanidza vaviri ava. Asi ipapo kwaingova nedzimwe nzvimbo dzakaparadzana dzekuparadza, seSobibór.
Zvino ngatidzokere kuGaza. Chii chiri chokwadi pamusoro peGaza?
Nhamba yekutanga, kutanga muna 2012, United Nations, isina kusimba, yakapusa asi ine hunyanzvi hwevakuru vakuru, yakatanga kuburitsa mishumo. Yekutanga yaive muchimiro chekubvunzurudza. Yakati, "Gaza ichavepo here muna 2020?"
Zvino, muna 2015, imwe chirevo chakapihwa neUNCTAD, imwe yevakuru veUN masangano, uye vakachinja kubva pakubvunzurudza kuenda kukuzivisa. Ivo vakati, "Gaza, parizvino, haichagarike muna 2020."
Zvino, muna 2017, mukuru mukuru weUN - zvakare, anochengetedza zvakanyanya, mukuru wehurumende - akati, Zvinoita sekunge kufanotaura kwedu kwave netarisiro. Sanguine. Iye akati, "Gaza yakadarika chikumbaridzo chekusararama kare kare."
Hatisi kutaura nezvenhetembo. Hatisi kutaura nezve hyperbole. Tiri kutaura nezve ongororo, mutongo weanochengetedza, asi ane hunyanzvi uye anokwanisa, maBureaucrats eUN. Gaza inzvimbo isingagarike.
Izvi zvinorevei chaizvo? Zvakanaka, ngatitore chiratidzo chimwe: 97 muzana yemvura yeGaza yakasvibiswa. Hazvina kukodzera kudyiwa nevanhu.
Zvakanaka zvinorevei? Zvakanaka, ngatitorei maonero aSara Roy, uyo ari mutungamiri wepasi rose pamusoro pehupfumi hweGaza. Mukadzi akajeka kwazvo, mukadzi ane hunhu. Ndinoziva kuti hazvina basa, asi ndichazvitaura: Vabereki vake vose vaiva mumusasa wevasungwa weAuschwitz. Saka, funga mutauro wake. Iye akati: "Vanhu vasina mhosva, vazhinji vacho vana," - nekuti Gaza yakawandisa, vana vazhinji, makumi mashanu neshanu muzana vana - "vari kuisirwa muchetura zuva nezuva."
Uye ichokwadi. Uye vanhu havadi kuzvinzwa, vanongonzwa manyemwe. Sei uri kutaura nezvemisasa yevasungwa? Sei uri kutaura nezve poison? Zvakanaka, hey! Usapomera mutumwa mhosva yenhau dzakaipa. Musasa wevasungwa? NdiBharuki Kimmerling. Vana vane chepfu, miriyoni imwe - kune vana vane miriyoni imwe muGaza vari kuisirwa muchetura. Israel ichipa vana miriyoni muchetura.
Saka zvino, ngatidzokerei kumubvunzo, tichidaidza zvinhu nemazita azvo chaiwo. Vanhu veGaza vari kuedza kutyora muganho here? Kwete. Vanhu veGaza vari kuedza kuputsa nzvimbo isingagariki umo vagari vemo zuva nezuva vari kuisirwa muchetura. Ndidzo chokwadi. Uye hatifanire kunzvenga zvinhu izvozvo. Kana iwe ukakwanisa kutaura nezvehurumende yeSyria uchishandisa gasi rechepfu, uye munhu wese anogona kutsamwa, panogona kunge paine mubvunzo, mubvunzo unonzwisisika, pamusoro pekuti nderipi divi rakashandisa gasi rechepfu, uye ini handisi kuda kugadzirisa mubvunzo iwoyo. Nyaya yacho ndeyokuti: Munhu wose anotsamwa. Uri kuisira vanhu chepfu!
Munyika yedu, pazvakaonekwa kuti mvura yeFlint yakanga ine tsvina, pakava nekuchema kwenyika. Kutsamwa kwenyika. Kutsamwa kwenyika.
Uye zvino wava nehuwandu hwevanhu, kunyanya vana, vari kucheneswa zvakarongeka. Uye havana nzira yokubuda nayo. Ndechipi chimwe chinhu pamusoro peGaza, chinoitsaura kubva kune mamwe mamiriro anotyisa ari munyika nhasi.
United Nations Relief and Works Agency, UNRWA, yakati makore mashoma apfuura, pane chimwe chinhu pamusoro peGaza chakasiyana, vakadaro. Ini handidi kutaura zvakasiyana, nekuti isu hatidi kupinda muHolocaust sweepstakes. Ngatingozviti zvakasiyana.
Ivo vakati: Kwose kwose munyika, kana kune njodzi yechisikigo, taura kusanaya kwemvura, kana njodzi yakaitwa nevanhu, yakadai sehondo muSyria, vanhu vane sarudzo, UNRWA yakati, zvishoma kufamba. Uye iyo haisi sarudzo huru. Zvinoreva kuva mupoteri, uye muzviitiko zvakawanda, zvinoreva kuwana tende kana uine rombo rakanaka, uye tende rinokandwa mumatope. Asi, isarudzo.
Vanhu veGaza ndivo vega vanhu munyika vasina sarudzo iyoyo. Vakavharirwa mukati. Mumamiriro ezvinhu akadaro, kuti nditi muganhu wefenzi, zvinondibaya mwoyo. Uye pane kumwe kuhura. Izvo zvinonyadzisa zvekureva Israeri sekushandisa simba risingaenzaniswi, uye/kana simba rakawandisa, zvinova izvo masangano anorwira kodzero dzevanhu, uyewo, anotaura UN High Commissioner of Human Rights, zvavanowanzotaura.
Zvakanaka, zvinoreva kuti, Israeri ine kodzero yekushandisa simba rakaenzana. Israel ine kodzero yekushandisa zviri pakati nepakati sekurwisa simba rakawandisa. Vanhu vakasungwa, uye vakavharirwa mune chimwe chinhu chinoita sechinopfuura kunyange musasa wevasungwa. Uye Israeri ine kodzero yekushandisa chero simba? Kuti varambe vakasungwa? Israel ine kodzero yekushandisa simba rakaenzanirana? Simba riri pakati nepakati? Kuvharira vana miriyoni imwe veGaza mumusasa werufu, mavari kuisirwa muchetura mazuva ese?
Aiwa, pane chimwe chinhu chakashata pamusoro pezviri kuenda kuno. Zvino, sezvandataura, handisi kuzoenzanisa kukura kwemhosva. Handidi kudzika nenzira iyoyo.
Sezvineiwo, chirevo chekuti, "Holocaust sweepstakes" hachibvi kwandiri. Inobva kune mushakabvu weUniversity of Chicago Historian, Peter Novick, uyo akataura kuti apo vaJudha nevaIsraeri vanoomerera paidi rokuti Horocaust yakasiyana, uye ipapo vamwe vanotanga kuyera, maArmenia, maNative America, vanoti, “Kwete. , yedu yakangoipa,” inova Holocaust Sweepstakes. Uye mutsara uyu wakandibata. Verenga bhuku racho makore 20 apfuura, asi rakaramba rakamira neni. Handidi kudzika nenzira iyoyo. Asi pane chimwe chinhu pano chisina kumira zvakanaka.
Ndakanga ndakarasika zvakanyanya mumaonero angu, kupfuura kufira kutenda kwevanhu veGaza. Ndiko kutsvinya uye humbwende hwekudaidza zvinhu, sezvakataurwa naConfucius, nemazita azvo chaiwo. Ndiye mudiki ane chikwereti kuvanhu veGaza.
Ini ndinoda Bernie Sanders, uye ndakashandira Bernie zvakanyanya panguva yemushandirapamwe.
JS: Rega ndiverenge zvakataurwa naBernie Sanders paTwitter, saka tinomutora chaizvo. Senator Bernie Sanders, uye sekuziva kwangu, iye chete senator weUS akataura kune chero chinhu chinopesana nezviri kuitwa nemaIsrael.
Saka, Sanders akatumira izvi neMuvhuro apo izvi zvaive zvichiri, zvakanyanya mumatanho ekutanga. "Vanopfuura makumi mashanu vakaurayiwa muGaza nhasi uye zviuru zviviri vakakuvadzwa, pamusoro pe50 vakaurayiwa uye vanopfuura zviuru zvipfumbamwe vakakuvadzwa mumavhiki apfuura. Uyu mubhadharo unoshamisa. Mhirizhonga yeHamas haipembedzi kuti Israel ipfure varatidziri vasina zvombo. United States inofanirwa kuita hukasha mukuunza Israel, Palestinian Authority, Egypt pamwe nevepasi rose kuti vagadzirise dambudziko revanhu muGaza uye kumisa mhirizhonga iri kuramba ichiwedzera.
Mhinduro yako, Norman.
NF: Pakanga pasina mhirizhonga yeHamas. Ini handisi mudziviriri weHamas. Ini handisi murevereri weHamas, asi ndine hanya nezvechokwadi uye ndine hanya nechokwadi.
Chokwadi chenyaya ndechekuti, kune chero ani zvake ane ruzivo nezviri kuitika, Hamas yakapihwa mirairo yakasimba: Hapana mhirizhonga, hapana pfuti, hapana zvombo, hapana kudenha.
Kwemavhiki maviri apfuura, Hamas yanga ichitora kutsamwiswa kumwechete mushure meimwe nevaIsraeri, nekuti maIsrael vakapererwa, vakapererwa, sezvavakataura mune izvozvo. yakakurumbira WikiLeak, “hatiiti Gandhi zvakanaka,” izvo zvinoreva kuti havazivi nzira yokurarama nayo nokusava nechisimba nokuti zvinoratidzika zvakashata pavanotanga kushandisa simba ravo routsinye kurwisana nevaratidziri vasina chisimba.
Saka vari kunyengetera, vari kuita zvose kuti vanyandure Hamas kuti iite mhirizhonga saka vanenge vaine zvikonzero zvavo zvokupinda, uye, sezvavanoidana, vanocheka uswa.
Eya, Hamas yaramba kudenha. Vakauraya, unogona kutaura, shamwari yeHamas muMalaysia, masvondo maviri apfuura. Ipapo vakauraya varwi veHamas vatanhatu masvondo mashoma apfuura. Uye ipapo vanoramba vachivadenha, nokuvatsamwisa. Kuchikwereti chekusingaperi cheHamas, uye kune zvinhu zve10,000 zvekuvatsoropodza, uye ini ndichave wekutanga kuzviita, asi kune chikwereti chavo chekusingaperi, vari kushandisa Herculean kuzvidzora pamberi peIsrael yakarongeka, methodical. , kudenha kukuru. Zvakava zvisina musoro, zvisina musoro, zvekuti vanoda chikonzero. Saka vanyori vavo, ma stenographer, saIsabel Kershner muNew York Times, anotaura nezve kutyisidzira kutsva uku. Kutyisidzira kunouraya makati. Kiti dzakabatidza mamvemve pamakiti. Havana matombo eHamas, havana matuni ekutya, saka stenographer nevanyori veIsrael propaganda machine, vauya nechimwe chinhu chitsva: Killer kites. Munoziva, zvinosiririsa.
Uye ikozvino kuti Bernie atore uye ataure nezveHamas mhirizhonga. Chekutanga, ngatibude pachena: Vane kodzero yekushandisa chisimba. Vane kodzero iyoyo pasi pemutemo wenyika dzakawanda. Sechisarudzo chevanhu vose, vane kodzero iyoyo. Ndiwo mutemo: vanhu vanorwira kuzvitonga kana kuti vari pasi pekugara kune dzimwe nyika, vane kodzero yekushandisa mhirizhonga kuti vazvisunungure.
Nekune rumwe rutivi, mutemo wakajeka zvikuru: Simba rinotora kana simba rinonyima vanhu kodzero yekuzvitonga, havana kodzero chero ipi zvayo yekushandisa chisimba.
Saka sechinhu chakajairika, vanhu veGaza, Hamas, vane kodzero yekushandisa mhirizhonga. Asi havasi. Vari kuyedza kutora zano idzva nekuti vaona kuti mhirizhonga - haisi mhirizhonga. Hamas matombo, ivo havasi kunyange matombo. Asi iyo imwe nyaya yerimwe zuva. Vazvidzora.
Uye ikozvino kuti Bernie aite izvozvo. Kwete - hazvibvumirwe. Shamwari yangu yakandifonera masikati ano ndokuti, “Zvakanaka, Norm, hausi kuita hasha here? Haana kutaura kuti mhirizhonga yeHamas ndiyo honzeri. Kwete. Aiwa. Ndanga ndichitaura nevarongi. Uye ndanga ndichivaudza, "Unogona kutora Bernie." Vakaisa zvikwangwani, vaive nevana vakabata zvikwangwani, "Maita basa, Bernie." Ndini uyo! Zvave kundirwadza manje. Nokuti ndinovatungamirira nenzira iyoyo. Ndakavaudza kuti vaedze strategy iyoyo. Ndakavaudza kuti vakoke Bernie. Ndakavaudzawo kuti vakoke Charles Schumer, uye vakadaro. Uye zvino ndinonzwa kuti kupandukira. Munondiita benzi uye munopandukira vaJudha. Nokuti vakaswedera kwauri, uye vanoziva kuti uri muJudha. Wakatengesa vaJudha nazvo. Zvinondishatirisa zvikuru.
Bernie akahwina vhoti yechiArab panguva yepuraimari. Chokwadi, akahwina chikamu chepamusoro chevhoti yemaArabu kupfuura vhoti yemaJuda. Ndiani angadai akambofunga kuti mumiriri wemutungamiri wenyika akakomba munhorondo yeAmerica, anohwina chikamu chepamusoro chevhoti yemaArabu kupfuura vhoti yemaJuda.
Ndakaisa mari yakawanda mariri pachangu uye nezvematongerwo enyika, ndozoona "mhirizhonga yeHamas" uye vanhu vanotanga kunditumira maemail aya, "Bernie - Hamas mhirizhonga." Ndiko kusadaidza zvinhu nemazita azvo chaiwo. Ndiko kuita mukana. Iko kuita mbwende. Ndinoziva kuti Bernie haazvitende, asi anofanirwa kuchengetedza chiuno chake, kunyepedzera kunge ane ruoko. Aiwa, ino haisi nguva yekuva nemaoko. Ino haisi nguva yekuva nemaoko. Vanhu ivavo vave vachitambura kwemakore 11 pasi pechivharo ichocho choutsinye, choutsinye, chisiri pamutemo, uye chounzenza. Zvino Bernie paanoti, “VaEgipita, maAmerica, vose vanofanira kuungana,” kwete, Bernie, handizvo. Neruremekedzo rwakafanira, uye ndinokuremekedzai, hazvina kunaka. Chirevo chaicho ndechekuti blockade haisi pamutemo pasi pemutemo wepasirese, inoumba chirango chemubatanidzwa pasi pemutemo wepasi rose, ndizvo zvakataurwa neAmnesty International neHuman Rights Watch, "kutyora kuri pachena kwemutemo wepasirese" uye chinhu chega icho Israel ine kodzero yekuita, Ini ndichataura izvozvi mutongi wedunhu reNew York Mary McGowan Davis. Muchishumo cheUN chaakataura mushure meOp Operation Protective Edge, uye chaive chirevo chinotyisa, zvaakataura, uye zvino ndiri kumutora, "Kuvharika kweGaza kunofanirwa kusimudzwa nekukasira uye pasina mamiriro."
Zvino, ndinoda kuti vateereri vanzwe shoko iroro. Hazvina magumo. Hazvitauri kuti Hamas inofanira kubvisa zvombo. Hazvitauri kuti Hamas inofanirwa kumira kuvaka tunnel. Kuvharirwa ikoko hakusi pamutemo pasi pemutemo wenyika. Kutyora kuri pachena kwemutemo wenyika dzakawanda. Inofanira kusimudzwa pakarepo uye pasina mamiriro. Hazvinei neEgypt, hazvinei neUnited States, hazvinei nePalestinian Authority - vese vanoda kuparadza Gaza.
Kwete, mutemo uripo ipapo uye pasina zvisungo. Kuvharirwa kweGaza kusina tsitsi, kwoutsinye, kwoutsinye kunofanira kubviswa.
JS: Isu tiri kutaura nezve chinzvimbo chaBernie Sanders, uyo ari kuyedza kugadzirisa zvimwe zvauri kutaura, asi hongu uri kupa uku kwakadzama kutsoropodza kwake. Tinonzwa Raj Shah nevamwe vari kutaura vakamirira hutongi hwaTrump vachiisa mhosva paHamas, kunyangwe vakatarisana nehuwandu hwevagari vakaurayiwa, vanoti inyaya inotyisa inoitwa neHamas, sekunge Hamas iri kutanga. Vagari vePalestine kuIsrael kuti vaurawe.
Asi pane kutsamwa kwakawanda pamusoro penzira iyo Trump Administration iri kutumira pane izvi. Zvakasiyana sei asi mhinduro iyo iyo Trump White House iri kupa maringe nekurwiswa kwekare, kurwiswa, paGaza kana maDemocrat ari kutonga?
NF: Zvakanaka, zvakanga zvakafanana. Ini ndichangokupa mienzaniso miviri yemufananidzo wemuenzaniso, anoti Barack Obama. Operation Cast Lead yakatanga December 26, 2008, yakapera January 17, 2009; zvakanzi neAmnesty International mazuva makumi maviri nemaviri erufu nekuparadzwa.
Uye kusvika panguva iyoyo, ndiyo yaive yakanyanya kuuraya yeIsrael periodic mashandiro ekurwisa vanhu veGaza.
VaBarack Obama vakanga vatosarudzwa kare semutungamiri wenyika muna Mbudzi. Sezvineiwo, Israel yakatanga kudenha kuti itange Operation Cast Lead musi wa4 Mbudzi 2008, sekukunda kwaiita Barack Obama musarudzo.
Zvino, Operation Cast Lead inopera Ndira 17. Nei ichipera Ndira 17? Nekuti VaObama vachagadzwa muna Ndira 20, uye narcissist anokatyamadza aisada chero zvipingaidzo, chero zvipingaidzo kubva pakugadzwa kwake. Saka anopfuudza izwi kuIsrael: Stop operation Cast Lead. Ndicho chikonzero chete.
JS: Ingori paCast Lead, bhuku rako inhoroondo yehunyanzvi yehunyanzvi uye nharo pane zviri kuitika muGaza uye zvaitika kwemakumi emakore ikozvino, asi chiyero chePalestine kune vagari veIsrael vakauraya mazana mana ezviuru zve400 kana zvakadaro maPalestine akafa vaive vana. .
NF: 350 vaiva vana. Zvino tendeukira kuOp Operation Protective Edge. Chaizvoizvo ine nzvimbo yakasarudzika muhondo dzemazuva ano. Zvakaoma kuburitsa muhuwandu, nekuti isu tese tave tanyura kune manhamba, mushure mezvakaitika mumakore mashoma apfuura kuMiddle East, saka ini ndinosarudza kungozvitaura neimwe nzira.
Mukuru weInternational Committee yeRed Cross mumwe munhu anonzi Peter Maurer. Uye iwe enda kuGoogle yako uye iwe Google "Peter Maurer Afghanistan." Anga aripo. "Peter Maurer Siria." Anga aripo. "Peter Maurer Yemen." Anga aripo. Peter Maurer Central African Republic. Anga aripo. "Peter Maurer Iraq." Anga aripo. Ndiye mukuru weInternational Committee yeRed Cross. Tsanangudzo yebasa rake, kunze kwemabasa ake ekutonga uye ehutongi, ndeyekupupura munzvimbo dzehondo. Anga ari kwese kwese, ese idzo nzvimbo dzinotyisa dzatinoziva kubva munhau dzehusiku.
Muna 2014, mushure meOp Operation Protective Edge, Peter Maurer akaenda kuGaza. Akabuda muGaza uye akati, “Handisati ndamboona kuparadzwa kukuru kwakadai. Munhu anga aenda kuAfghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Central African Republic, Yemen - anoenda kuGaza diki, iro rinogona kupinda mukamuri iyi ye studio - uye anoti, "Handisati ndamboona kuparadzwa kwakadai."
Rangarira mupfungwa, ndiko kwechisere kuuraya kweIsrael muGaza mumakore gumi nemashanu apfuura. Zvisere zvehumhondi hweIsrael, uhwo hunosanganisira vana zvakanyanya. Operation Days of Penitence, 15. Operation Rainbow, 2004. Operation Autumn Clouds, 2004. Operation Hot Winter, 2006. Inotanga kunzwika sekugadzirwa kweIrving Berlin. Operation Cast Lead, 2008-2008, Operation Pillar of Defense, 9. Uye ipapo Operation Dziviriro Edge. Uye zvino isu tinofanirwa kuwedzera kuurayiwa kutsva mazuva mashoma apfuura.
Barack Obama akaita sei? Akaramba achibuda, iye nevamiririri vake, uye akaramba achiti, “Israeri ane kodzero yekuzvidzivirira.”
Unoziva paakazozvishora here? Inyaya inofadza. Akazozvishora musi wa3 Nyamavhuvhu. Unoziva chikonzero nei? Israel yaive yakananga kudzimba dzeUN. Izvi zvaiva zvikoro zveUN zvakanga zvachinjwa kuva nzvimbo dzokugara dzevanhu.
JS: Uyu ndi2014, wauri kutaura nezvawo.
NF: Ehe. Ehe. NdiChikunguru naNyamavhuvhu, 2014, nekuti vanotanga kunanga zvikoro zveUNRWA, United Nations Relief and Works Agency, sangano guru rekubatsira vanhu muGaza. Akatanga kunanga zvikoro muna Chikunguru.
Akabhomba imwe pekugara, pechipiri pekugara, yechitatu pekugara, yechina pekugara, yechishanu pekugara uye ipapo kumanikidza kunotanga kuvaka muUN system. Uye pakupedzisira Ban Ki-moon, chidhori checomatose cheUnited States.
JS: Akanga ari Secretary-General weUnited Nations panguva iyoyo.
NF: Ehe, zvichinzi aive Secretary-General.
JS: Rakanga riri zita rake rehurumende, hungu.
NF: Handizivi kuti aiva chii. Asi ndinofara kuti aenda.
JS: OK. Saka, Ban Ki-moon.
NF: Saka akazopedzisira ataura chimwe chinhu uye akashora kubhomba kwaNyamavhuvhu 3 kwenzvimbo yekugara yeUS. Akanga ari mangwanani.
Zvino, United States yakanga isisina kana shizha remuonde raBan Ki-moon. Saka pakupedzisira, masikati emusi waNyamavhuvhu 3, United States inoti zvakaitwa neIsrael yaive mhosva - vakashandisa mutauro wakakasharara - havana kushandisa izwi rekuti "tsotsi," asi vakashandisa mutauro wakakasharara. Uye tarisai, husiku hwaNyamavhuvhu 3, Mutungamiriri Netanyahu anozivisa kubuda kweIsrael kubva kuGaza.
Chinhu chimwe chete chawaida kumisa kuvhiya ikoko raive izwi rimwe chete kubva kuUnited States. Izvo zvese zvakaitika Nyamavhuvhu 3, Ban Ki-moon mangwanani, iyo US masikati.
Zvino yakaenda pana 26 nekuti yaive chikamu chenhaurirano, asi vangadai vakaimisa. Barack Obama hapana chaakaita.
JS: Pfungwa yakatorwa pane izvozvo, zvakare.
NF: Zvaive pachena zvakaitika panguva Yekudzivirira Edge, kunyangwe, iwe unoziva, uchipihwa kutyisa izvozvi, hapana kuenzanisa.
Israeri yakanga ine kodzero yekuzvidzivirira? Ngatitorei dzimwe nhamba dzakakosha: 550 vana veGazan vakaurayiwa. Iwe unoziva vangani vana veIsrael vakaurayiwa? Poshi. 18,000 - 18,000 dzimba dzePalestine dzakaparadzwa. Unoziva kuti dzimba ngani dzeIsrael dzakaparadzwa? Poshi. 550 kusvika 1. 18,000 kusvika 1. Uye chinhu chete Barack Obama chaaigona kuona ndechekuti Israeri ine kodzero yekuzvidzivirira.
Chinhu chimwe chete naBernie, ndine urombo Bernie, asi chokwadi zvinhu zvakasindimara, sekutaura kwaiitwa chirevo cheBritish. 53 vanhu vekuPalestine vakaurayiwa [Muvhuro]? Vanopfuura 2,000 XNUMX vakakuvadzwa, nhamba huru yavo, kutaura kwavanoshandisa zvino, kukuvara kunochinja upenyu, kureva kukuvara kwechigarire, kudimburwa maoko, zvichingodaro. Uye hapana muIsraeri mumwe, kwete [Muvhuro] bedzi, asi vhiki nhanhatu dzokupedzisira, hapana muIsraeri mumwe, anokanganwa pamusoro pokuurawa! Kanganwa nezvevakakuvadzwa! Kwete kana kukwenya! Uye iwe unodaidzira chisimba cheHamas? Ndiko kure-base. Hazvibvumirwi.
JS: Chimwe chezvikonzero nei ndichikubvunza kuti nezve hutongi hwakapfuura, kunyanya hwaBarack Obama, imhaka yekuti nzira yakawanda, uye izvi zvinoitika nenyaya dzakawanda maererano naDonald Trump, kwaunoona kutsamwa uku kunoratidzika kunge kwakarongedzerwa kuti, "Tichaita. ona zviri kuitwa naTrump." Uye hongu, une chokwadi chekuti vakavhura embassy yeUS kuJerusarema, uye mazita aTrump naPence akaiswa pairi, asi zvandanga ndichiedza kusvika kwazviri: Pane shanduko yakakosha kubva kuna Obama kuenda kunaTrump maererano neGaza. ?
NF: Handingatauri maererano neGaza. Ndingati pamwe ichokwadi kuti, pamwe, kuseri kwezviitiko, United States yanga ichidzora Netanyahu mune dzakapfuura manejimendi - handikwanise kuzvinyora, asi ndinofunga zvine musoro kufunga. Unorangarira, semuenzaniso, pamusangano wenhau wakakurumbira uko Secretary of State -
JS: John Kerry?
NF: Ehe. Yakanga iri apo Israel yakaparadza Shujaiya - ndiyo imwe nyaya. Uye inobereka kudzokorora.
Shujaiya inzvimbo inogara vanhu muGaza. Icho chiri pakati penzvimbo dzine vanhu vakawanda kwazvo muGaza, iri pakati penzvimbo dzine vanhu vakawanda pasi rose.
Pakave nemoto kunze kweShujaiya uye mauto akati wandei eIsrael akaurayiwa. Uye, munoziva, Israeri ine pfungwa yakasarudzika yehondo. Masoja eIsrael haafanirwe kuurayiwa muhondo. Rumwe rutivi chete ndirwo runofanira kuurayiwa. Saka Israeri yakapenga. Zvakaoma chaizvo kutaura zvinotyisa zvaitwa munzvimbo iyoyo.
Israel yakadonhedza mabhomba anopfuura zana etani imwe paShujaiya ndokudzinga zviuru - zviuru - zvemabhomba anoputika akakwira muGaza. Uye paive panguva iyoyo, ungarangarira, mumusangano wenhau izvi, vakazvidaidza, basa rekunongedza - izvo zvaive zvechokwadi. Vakanongedza Shujaiya uye vakaenderera mberi nekuzvidzikisira, uye Kerry akaita seakatsamwa ndokuti, ndinofungidzira mic yake yakavhurika uye anga asingazvizive, akati, "imwe pinpoint operation." Saka paitofanira kunge paine zvimhingamipinyi zvaive basa. Nemukomana uyu Trump, uye murume uya waPence. Iwe unoziva, hapana zvidziviriro. Vese vari kuseka. Munoziva mhando, munoziva mhando. Netanyahu akafanana, usazvinetse, zvese zvichakanganikwa mumazuva maviri. Chicharangarirwa kuvhurwa kwemuzinda weAmerica muJerusalem. Uye akarurama! Zvose zvichakanganwika mumazuva maviri.
JS: Iko kusangana kwemwanasikana wemutungamiri wenyika, Ivanka Trump nemurume wake Jared Kushner, uyo ari kutungamira nhaurirano dzeIsrael-Palestine, quote-unquote, ivo vakagara pamwe nevamwe vavo veIsrael vachidya chikafu chakanaka asi kure uko kuri kuurayiwa kwevanhu vakawanda. kuponda uku kuri kuitika.
NF: Ehe, kutsvinya chaiko.
JS: Ndaida ku -
NF: Hakusi kana kunyomba.
JS: Ini chaizvo ndinofunga uyu waive mufananidzo wakakodzera kuona kuti izvi ndezvekuti vanhu vekuUS vari kuita.
NF: Hupenyu hwakachipa. Hupenyu hwakachipa. Hupenyu hwePalestine. Kuona kunorwadza kuona uye kwakaoma, kwakangooma kutarisana nevanhu ikoko. Ndakanga ndine-kune imi muri kuverenga bhuku rangu, ndanga ndakasimbisa kwazvo mubhuku kuti kushora kwezvombo, kunyangwe zvaive zviri pamutemo uye zvakaruramiswa, kuti hazvingaite chero chinhu uye ndaisimbisa kwazvo kuti ivo. aitofanira kuchinjira kune imwe nzira yekudzivisa mhirizhonga yevagari vemo.
JS: Uye uri kutaura zvakananga Gaza kana Palestine?
NF: Kwete, Gaza. Zvakanaka, bhuku riri paGaza, saka.
JS: Kwete, ndinoziva kuti bhuku rako razvino riri paGaza.
NF: Kazhinji, asi kunyanya muGaza, nekuti Hurumende yePalestine, yakagamuchira iyo yainodaidza kuti diplomacy yepasi rose, izvo zvinoreva kushandira pamwe neUnited States, uye vanhu, hutungamiriri muGaza hwakanga hwagamuchira kushorwa nepfuti, uye ini ndikati, " Une kodzero iyoyo." Uye ndakasimbisa kwazvo nokuti ndinonyatsoziva mutemo. Asi ini ndakati sechinhu chinoshanda hachigone kushanda, uye ndinofunga kuti kuramba kusingaite mhirizhonga kunogona kushanda.
Aiwa, ndakapinza nhamba huru ye caveats. Ndakati kurwa kwePalestine kwakanyanya kuoma izvozvi, nekuti hunyanzvi hwayo hwakadzikiswa zvakanyanya nekuti zviitiko muYemen, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, neSyria, saka kurwa kwePalestine kwakarasikirwa nezvematongerwo enyika netsika. Zvino, mazhinji ematunhu akakosha munyika yeArab angangodaro asiri pamufananidzo nekuti akaora, kana kuti anotsigira Israeri - maSaudis, Gulf states, Egypt, Jordan - vese vanotsigira Israeri. Uye Palestinian Authority inoda kuona Gaza ichiparadzwa. Saka zvinhu izvozvo zvakanga zvava kushanda pakurwisana nevanhu vasina mhirizhonga.
Asi ini ndakati, kana zvinhu zviviri zvakasangana, zvine mukana. Imwe ndeyekuti ivo vanofanirwa kutora nenzira yakasimba isina mhirizhonga yevagari kuramba. Ndatiwo Hamas inofanirwa kutamira kudivi.
Uye zvakandishamisa kuti vakazviita. Havana mireza yeHamas pakuratidzira. Iro sangano rine hutongi hwejekerere, vanongove, ndivo vane mwero simba, nenzira, mune inonzi High Commission, nekuti vari kuyedza kurova zvakanyanya kusaita mhirizhonga.
Saka chimiro ichocho chakaitwa. Haisi chiitiko cheHamas. Icho chaicho chinokanganisa, chisiri chechitendero, chiitiko. Asi ndakati pane chimwe chinhu uye ndaiva netariro zvikuru. Ndakati bato rekubatana rave raramo, zvisinei kana ukapinda mukupokana kwakawanda ndinofunga kuti bato rekubatana richadzoka kuhupenyu. Unogona kuyeuka mubatanidzwa Operation Dziviriro Edge. Panga paine makumi ezviuru zvevanhu vairatidzira muLondon. Kwakanga kuri kuchema kukuru kwamarudzi ose kwehasha nokushatirwa. Uye ndakashamiswa kuti vakaita mukupokana kwakawanda kusiri kwemhirizhonga uye bato remubatanidzwa rakanga risipo.
JS: Saka, svondo rino, Israel haisi kungopemberera kuvambwa kwenyika yeIsrael chete, asi zvakare izuva rekusikwa kweIsrael Defence Forces, mauto edziviriro akasanganiswa, uye ndinoda kukuverengera quote yandinokuziva. 'ndinoziva kubva kune mudzidzisi paIDF National Defense College, Arnon Soffer. Vakataura izvi muna 2004 kuti: “Apo vanhu mamiriyoni 2.5 vaigara munzvimbo yakavharwa yeGaza, ichava ngwavaira yevanhu. Vanhu ivavo vachava mhuka huru kupfuura zvavari nhasi. Nerubatsiro rwechiIslam chinopenga chakabatikana, kudzvanyirirwa kumuganhu kuchave kunotyisa. Ichava hondo inotyisa, saka kana tichida kuramba tiri vapenyu tinofanira kuuraya nekuuraya nekuuraya, zuva rose, zuva rega rega.
NF: Zvino ngatimbomira zvishoma, enda kune webhusaiti yangu. Zvichava zvishoma pasi, zvichave kutaura kwaNetanyahu pamberi perudzi rwemaJuda. Verenga zvaanotaura:
JS: “Zviri nyore kutaura kuti vanhu veGaza vanofanira kuparadzwa, asi harisi basa riri nyore kuita. Vazhinji venyu muchaziva zvazvinoita kana mitumbi zana yakarara pamwe chete, paine mazana mashanu kana paine chiuru. Kupa mhosva yakaipisisa iyi uye kuramba tine hunhu, zvakatipa peji ine mbiri muzvinyorwa zvenhoroondo. Tine kodzero yehunhu, tine basa kuvanhu vedu kuti vauraye vanhu vangatiuraya ava. Takaita basa iri rakaoma zvikuru nekuda kwerudo rwevanhu vedu uye hatina kutambura mukati medu, mumweya yedu kana hunhu hwedu. "
NF: Ehe. Tiri kuuraya vanhu vanoda kutiuraya ava. Ibasa rinotyisa. Tese tinopfura nekuchema, asi ndizvo zvatinofanira kuita.
JS: Saka mashoko aani andaverenga ipapo?
NF: Kana ukatsiva “Gaza” kureva “maJuda,” aive Heinrich Himmler. Ikurukurirano yake yakakurumbira, apo vaNazi, sevamwe vakazouya gare gare, vakawana rudzi urwu rwemufaro wekurwara mukuzvinzwira tsitsi.
JS: Ndinonzwisisa asi pfungwa inoratidzwa nguva dzose nevamiriri vezvematongerwo enyika veIsrael, kana kuti ndichangobva kutaura uyu geographer ari mudzidzisi payunivhesiti yeIF kuti Israel ine kodzero yekuuraya vanhu ava nekuti iri mukudzivirira kwavo, uye ndizvo zvakaita. framed. Uye kana iwe ukataura chero chinhu nezveGaza pasocial media unobva wabatwa nevanhu vachiti, "Uri kuti Israel haina kodzero yekuzvidzivirira?"
NF: Ndizvo chaizvo zvakataurwa neUN report. Iwe une kodzero yekudzivirira muganhu kubva pakurwiswa. Hauna kodzero yekuisa mukeji muvanhu munzvimbo isingagoneki vari kucherwa zvishoma nezvishoma. Iwe unowana zvakare, iwe unotora kodzero yako kana iwe uchiita zvinhu zvitatu:
Imwe, iwe unopedza kuvharika zvisiri pamutemo kweGaza. Chechipiri, iwe unogumisa kugara zvisiri pamutemo kwenzvimbo yevatorwa. Uye zvitatu, iwe unopa vanhu muGaza neWest Bank kodzero yekuzvisarudzira uye statehood. Kunyimwa kwekodzero idzi nhatu, kwete kodzero imwe chete inokosha, kwete kodzero mbiri dzinokosha, kodzero nhatu dzakakosha, kurambwa kwekodzero idzodzo kunoreva kuti warasikirwa nekodzero ipi zvayo yekutaura-kusataura “kuzvidzivirira.” Kusvikira uye kunze kwekunge wapedza izvo zvitatu zvakateedzana, zvakasanganiswa, zvisiri pamutemo mamiriro.
Pane musimboti wakakosha wemitemo yenyika. Ini handikupe chiLatin, ndinokupa chiRungu. Haukwanise kuwana chakanaka kubva pane chakaipa. Kana iwe uri kuisa kuGaza kuvharirwa zvisiri pamutemo, kugara zvisiri pamutemo, uye uri kuvanyima zvisiri pamutemo kodzero yekuzvisarudzira, hauna kodzero yekuzvidzivirira. Wakarasa kodzero iyoyo nekuti hauna kodzero kana uri kukanganisa. Kana mubati chibharo achibata mukadzi chibharo, uye ipapo mukadzi otanga kurova chibharo, mubati chibharo haana maruramiro okutsiva mukuzvidzivirira. Wakarasa kodzero iyoyo yekuzvidzivirira pawakatanga kubata munhu chibharo. Uye ndiyo imwechete yekutanga musimboti ipapo. Une kodzero imwe chete. Ikodzero kurongedza woenda uye kurega kushungurudza nekurwadzisa vanhu ivavo. Ndiyo kodzero yako chete. Kana iwe uchinge warongedza uye iwe wobva waenda uye zvese zviri pamutemo zviri munzvimbo: Hapana kuvharika, hapana basa, vanhu vanokwanisa kushandisa kodzero yekuzvisarudzira uye statehood kana mamiriro ave pamutemo uye ari pamutemo, Israel ine kodzero yekuzvimiririra. -defense.
Ndataura izvozvo kubva pandakatanga kubatanidzwa mukurwisana uku makore anopfuura 35 apfuura. Kana ese aya anonzi ma radicals, apo ese akanyanya kuisa nekumisikidza, aine ese asinane masirogani nezveBDS uye imwe-nyika, ini ndakaramba ndakatsiga uye ndakasimba uye ndakabhadhara mutengo wakakura kwazvo.
Hongu, Israeri ine kodzero yekuzvidzivirira pachayo asi kwete kusvikira uye kunze kwekunge ichirega kutambudza nekutambudza vanhu vePalestine, uye, kunyanya, vanhu veGaza. Kusvikira uye kunze kwekunge, ivo havana kodzero kunze kwekurongedza uye kuenda.
JS: Ndechipi chinangwa chekupedzisira cheIsrael muGaza? Kuverenga bhuku, zvinoita sekunge uri muchuchisi, uchinyora —
NF: Ini handisi muchuchisi!
JS: Ndinoziva kuti hausi. Ndiri kuti inoverenga nemazvo.
NF: Ndinonamatira kumurairo. Ini handifarire mitemo yepasi rese yakawanda. Ndinofunga kuti zvakawanda zvine dambudziko. Zvakawanda zvacho, mukuona kwangu, hazvibvumirwi netsika. Asi ndinonamatira pamurairo. Ndinonamatira pane chokwadi. Uye, sezvandambotaura munhanganyaya, muverengi achazvisarudzira iye ega kuverenga bhuku, achiverenga bhuku, kana ndiri ini ndiri mubatanidzwa weGaza, sezvandiri muchuchisi wavo kana kuti ndiri kuvarevera, kana kuti chokwadi chinopesana neGaza.
JS: Kubva pakudzidza kwako kwechokwadi, ndiri kubvunza kwaunoona izvi zvichienda, kunyanya naNetanyahu musimba, chii -?
NF: Netanyahu akanyanya, inyanzvi yezvematongerwo enyika. Anotarisa kukurumidza kukunda uye haafungi kwenguva refu. Senge, seMutungamiri Trump, akange akanyura mukunyomba kwemba, uye, munoziva, pamwe chikamu chekumukurudzira kwaive kungozvibvisa kubva mukunyomba. Kana iwe ukabvunza kuti chii chiono chenguva refu, hapana chiratidzo chenguva refu. Iwe unofanirwa kunzwisisa maonero angu, mafungiro eIsrael, mafungiro eIsrael imhando yekubata chiito, izvi ndezvechokwadi chesangano rose reZionist kubva pakatanga pakupera kwezana remakore rechi19, imhando yekubata chiito kusvikira rudzi rwei. unogona kufona, ivo vofona, chishamiso chinovapedza. Saka, bhizinesi reZionist rinotanga pakupera kwezana remakore rechi19. Zvinoita sezvisingafungidziriki. VaJudha vazhinji vasina mari muEastern Europe, nekuti yaive dunhu repamusoro, vangaite sei nyika muPalestine? Kwatova kugarwa. Kune masimba makuru akawanda anobatanidzwa. VaBritish vanobatanidzwa, maFrench anobatanidzwa, maGermany anobatanidzwa, Umambo hweOttoman, vaJudha ava vachahubvisa sei?
Saka havazivi, havazivi uye ipapo chishamiso chinoitika. Chishamiso chii? Ndicho chishamiso cheBalfour Declaration.
Zvino, hongu, rakanga risiri chishamiso chete. Vakashanda nesimba zvikuru. Asi zvakadaro kwaive kudhonza tsuro kubva mungowani kuti Balfour Declaration ibude mumaBritish. Saka zvino vatanga nhanho muPalestine.
Zvino mushure meHondo Yenyika yechipiri vanayo, pahurongwa hwaive hwekumisa nyika yechiJudha.
Zvino Hondo Yemashoko yakanga yatotanga muna 1947, uyezve chimwe chishamiso chinoitika kana zvasvika pakugadziriswa kwekuparadzanisa, United States neRussia vanovhotera, mukati mekutanga kweCold War, US neSoviet Union. nekuda kwezvikonzero zvakasiyana, vanopedzisira varambirana uye vanowana chishamiso cheChigadziro cheChikamu.
Saka ikozvino vanowana mamiriro avo. Asi vane dambudziko. Mumamiriro avo, iyo inonzi nyika yechiJudha, kune maArabu akawanda sezvakaita vaJudha. Kana ukatarisa huwandu hwevanhu, vangangoita 50-50 semepu yeUN yakatara nyika yemaJuda.
Uye zvino vane chimwe chishamiso, muzvinyorwa zveZionist, vanozviti "kucheneswa kunoshamisa kwenyika," iyo yatinoziva ikozvino mukutarisa sekucheneswa kwemadzinza. Saka zvino, zvakare, chishamiso, chokwadi chine midzi yenyika, asi chimwe chipingamupinyi chinokurirwa.
Zvino kwakauya 1967, bhizinesi reZionist, ikozvino State of Israel, uye ne1967, rakanga risiri kutaridzika zvakanaka. Kwaiva nevaJudha vakawanda vaitama kubva kuIsraeri kupfuura vaitamira kwairi. Bhizinesi reZionist, ikozvino State of Israel, rakaita sekunge rakanga rava kuderera.
Vakaita chimwe chishamiso. Inonzi chishamiso cheHondo Yemazuva matanhatu. Nenzira, mutauro wese wandiri kushandisa, ivo vanoshandisa: Kuchenesa kunoshamisa kwenyika, chishamiso cheHondo Yemazuva matanhatu.
Ipapo chipingamupinyi chitsva chinobuda. Mumakore ekuma1970, huwandu hwemaArabu hweIsrael huri kukura nekukasira kupfuura huwandu hwemaJuda, uye zvinoita sekunge nyika yechiJudha iyi haisi kuzove yechiJudha, ingangoita yemaJuda zvakanyanya, kwenguva yakareba. Ndiani angadai akazvifungidzira? Chimwe chishamiso. Unoziva kuti chishamiso ichocho chainzi chii? Chishamiso cheSoviet Jewish. Mamirioni evaJudha veSoviet vakatamira kuIsrael. Ndiani angadai akazvifungidzira? Unoziva?
Uye saka, sangano rose reZionist, nhoroondo yaro uyezve State of Israel, vane maitiro ekubata. Vanomirira. Vanomirira. Dai waizondibvunza zvino kuti kubata chii, vakamirira kupi, pamwe vakamirira dambudziko rezvimiro zvekuti vanogona kuita chimwe chishamiso chekuchenesa nyika. Ndiwo angava mamiriro ezvinhu akanaka. Kusvikira vasvika pamamiriro ezvinhu akanaka, vanongomirira. Iwe unoziva, vanhu vanoti: Inogona kugara kwenguva yakareba sei, inofanirwa -? Aiwa, hazvifaniri kupera. Nokuda kwaKristu, basa racho rakatotora hafu yezana remakore. Vaigona kuita kuti zvienderere mberi. Hapana zvipingamupinyi chaizvo. Uye saka, kune chikwereti, ndinofunga, iwe unogona kutaura nezvesangano reZionist, vane mwoyo murefu uye pakanga pane nguva shomanana apo yaiita sekuti vaiva nemamiriro ezvinhu akakodzera, pane kufungidzira kuti paizova nekumwe kudzingwa. Hazvina kuitika. Asi ini ndinofunga dai paive nehondo neIran, ivo vaizoshandisa izvo sekunyepedzera kudzinga vanhu vazhinji, pamwe vosiya nazvo.
Kana riri Gaza, vachangorirega richimera richifa.
JS: Iwe wakaunza Iran, ndeipi ongororo yako yeTrump quote-unquote kubvarura chibvumirano cheIran?
NF: Zvakaoma kuyera, kutanga pane zvese, kana paine chero kufanoona kana kuregeredza kunobatanidzwa mune zvaari kuita.
Ini ndinowanzo, pazvinhu izvi, ungave uchida munhu wacho kana kuti kwete, uye une kodzero yekufunga kwako, Nasrallah, mukuru weHezbollah angangove muongorori wezvematongerwo enyika akangwara weMiddle East. Akanyanya, akapinza. Uye mushure mekunge Israeri yarwisa maIran, ndinofungidzira yaive Republican Guard muSyria.
JS: MuGolan Heights.
NF: Wekutanga chete, angangoita masvondo matatu apfuura, akataura zvakapusa uye zvine mwero uye akati vakanganisa. Vakanganisa. Zvino vakazviita zvakare, Israeri.
Ini handisi wepfungwa yekuti Netanyahu anoda hondo, nekuti sezvakataurwa naNasrallah, maIsrael imbwende. Anoti kana vapinda munyika, vanenge vakakomberedzwa nezvose izvi, munoziva, varwi. Vakakomberedzwa neaya ose, zvikuru, anorema ezvombo matangi ezvombo nezvimwe zvakadaro. Ini handivapa mhosva, musandifungire zvisizvo, nekuti handidi kuita kunge gamba, handidi. Ndiri kushaya kushinga chaiko. Uye maIsrael, vanoda hupenyu hwehusiku, vanofarira kufamba, vanofarira macafe - havadi hondo, kunze kwekunge iri kurwisa muvengi asingadziviriri. Ndosaka vakakundwa zvakanyanya muna 2006 munguva yehondo yemazuva makumi matatu nemana neHezbollah uye havana kuzomborwisa.
Vaisazoda kurwisana nemaoko nebato raMwari. Hezbollah. Munoziva, haina kukura. Kare ikako vaingova varwi 6,000 30,000 chete, uye vaIsraeri vakanga vaunganidza mauto XNUMX XNUMX. Asi vaiziva, Hezbollah, vane pfungwa dzakazvipira, havatyi rufu, uye kune nhevedzano refu yezvichemo.
Israel yakatora Lebanon kubva muna 1978 kusvika pavakazodzingwa muna 2000. Vakatora South uye vanhu ivavo vakatsamwa zvikuru. Vanovenga Israeri.
Saka, ndakasangana nevarwi vaya. Kwete. Haudi kuenda navo kumunda. Paive nemukomana mumwechete, aive akareba 6′ 5”, uye 6′ 5” akatenderera. Vaitaridzika saVaT. Zvino ndakati kwavari, “Bhudhi, ndinokuda. Ndoda kukuendesa kumba. Nekuti kana mumwe munhu akandiridzira roketi, iwe ukasvetukira kumberi, rinobva rasvetuka.
JS: [Anoseka.] Oh Mwari wangu.
NF: Saka, ivo havadi, munoziva, inyaya inonakidza: Sei Israeri yakarwisa Gaza mu2008, 2009? Inonyatsoenderana nemubvunzo wako, saka handisi kuregeredza.
Vakanga vakundwa muna 2006, uye vakati, chirevo icho maIsrael anoda kushandisa ndiko kugona kwavo kudzivirira, simba ravo rekudzivirira rakadzikiswa zvakanyanya.
Chii chinonzi deterrence capacity? Ingori izwi rehunyanzvi rehunyanzvi rekuti maArabu anotitya. Uye vaIsraeri vainetseka kuti maArabu akanga asisavatyi. Uye, zvakanaka, chinhu chiri pachena kuita ipapo kupinda zvakare kudzoreredza iyo deterrence kugona. Asi vakanga vasingadi kupinda muRebhanoni zvakare. Kwete kupikisa bato raMwari nekuti hunhu hwekurwiswa ikoko haugone kudzima maroketi kubva kumhepo. Nzira chete yekuvadzima ndeyekupinda pasi.
Unogona kurangarira, haungadaro, asi kusvika pazuva rekupedzisira rehondo ya2006, kusvika pazuva rechimakumi matatu nemana, Hezbollah yaipfura mazana emaroketi muIsrael. Hamungavadzingisi kunze kwokunge matumira hondo pasi, uye vaIsraeri vasingadi, varwi, handivapi mhosva [vachiseka]—havadi kurwa neboka raMwari. Uye ivo vakati, nzira chete yekudzoreredza simba kurwisa Gaza.
JS: Zvauri kunyatsotaura, zviri pachena nezvenyika yedu, iwachi yavo yakacheneswa, uye zvino vanofanirwa kurova mumwe munhu asina kusimba kuti vagoti, “Kusangana kwedu kwekupedzisira hakuna njodzi. Unofanira kuramba uchititya.”
NF: Rudyi. Asi vakazviita neimwe nzira, nekuti munhu wese aiziva kuti Hamas yaisava mauto ekurwa, saka haudzorere simba rako rekudzivirira nequote-unquote kuvakunda. Iyo chete nzira yaunokwanisa kudzoreredza yako yekudzivirira kugona ndeye kuyera Gaza uye wobva watumira meseji: Kana iwe ukatikanganisa, isu tinokushandura iwe kuita nzvimbo yekupaka, sezvavakaita muGaza.
Kana iwe ukatarisa rekodhi chaiyo, kurwiswa kwakawanda kweGaza hakuna chekuita neGaza. Iwe unoziva, zvaive zvimwe zvishuvo zveIsrael kana zvinangwa zvakazadzikiswa nekurwisa Gaza. Zvakanga zvisina chokuita nevanhu veGaza. Vanongoitika vari mumamiriro ezvinhu asingafadzi okuva vasina dziviriro.
Zvino, ini handitendi, kudzokera kumubvunzo wako, kuti Netanyahu anoda hondo neIran. Nekudaro zvinogoneka - Nasrallah achangobva kutaura hurukuro huru, ini handisati ndaverenga zvinyorwa zvayo - zvinogoneka kuti vayambuka Rubicon. Uye Nasrallah, kutaura kwaakaita mwedzi wapfuura, haasi munhu anotya uye haasi munhu anotyisa, akati: "Handisi kuti zvinogoneka. Handichatomboti zvinoita,” asi akati “tingangove takananga kuhondo yedunhu.” Uye kana akazvitaura, ndinofunga tinofanira kumbomira uye tinofanira kunetseka chaizvo.
Vanhu vakaita saTrump naNetanyahu vasingatarise zuva rinotevera, Iran ndeye 5,000-year-old budiriro. Iine moyo murefu. Iwe waigona kuona, pamusoro penguva refu, kunonoka sei asi zvirokwazvo kuri kuvaka inoyevedza yavanodaidza kumberi kwekupokana kuMiddle East. Uye saka vanoshivirira, uye vanogona kumirira nemoyo murefu nguva chaiyo, uye ipapo tichava neakanyanya - haisi bongozozo. Zvichava zviroto. Zvichava zviroto.
Kwete, ndinofanira kutaura, uye handisi kuzvitutumadza nazvo: Israeri, ndinofunga kuti zvinokwanisika kutarisana, iyo, kwete, njodzi. Ndinoziva kuti kune vanhu vakawanda munyika yeArabhu vanochishuva. Uye ini ndinozviwana, senge nhasi, ndichifunga, izvo zvinotenderera zvinouya. Uye iwe wakakumbira. Nzira yaunoenderera mberi nayo - nzira yaunoenderera mberi nayo - mhemberero dzako, hoopla yako, nepo vana vane miriyoni vari kupiswa.
Ndiri kubvarurwa nepfungwa idzodzo, asi kuzvikudza, rusaruraganda, kunyangadza, hukuru hwemaJuda, zvabva mumaoko.
Ndazviwana nhasi ndichifunga kuti: Chatova chimiro chasatani. Uye ndakamira zvishoma, uye ndinoti: Zvakanaka, Germany yakanga iri nyika yaSatani uye mushure meHondo Yenyika II, yakashandurwa. Yakave ingangoita yakabudirira nyika muEurope, iyo isiri kutaura zvakawanda, iwe unoziva Europe yayo, asi pamwe yakabudirira nyika muEurope. Saka, nyika dzinogona kuzvidzikinura uye pamwe ndiri kunyanya kuomesera mukutonga kwangu. Asi mafambiro avanoita, ini handizvinzwisise.
Iwe unoverenga nyaya yemuimbi weAfrica-America, muimbi. Aive muIsrael masvondo mashoma apfuura. Akati, “Chii chiri kuitika munyika ino? Handisati ndambosvika kunzvimbo ine rusaruraganda kudaro.” [Anoseka.]
Uye tiri kutaura nezvepasi! Kune nzvimbo dzakawanda dzerusaruraganda. Zvinonyangadza. Vakaita sarudzo: 83 muzana yeIsrael inotsigira hurumende yavo kuuraya varatidziri, 67 muzana inopikisa chero kudzikisira kwekukomba. Ungave sei usina moyo kudaro? Vana vane mamiriyoni. Vana! Uye haudi kuderedza kukomba? Haisi mvura chete ine chepfu. Upenyu hwose hwezvirimwa, nokuti ivhu rine chepfu.
Saka, iwe unoziva, kutaura -
JS: Norman anouya akagadzirira nemashoko ake ose emuzasi.
NF: Sara Roy, akaenda kuHarvard undergrad, akaenda kuHarvard grad, ari muJudha anodzidzira, ane mhuri yakawanda muIsrael, vabereki vake vese, sezvandakataura, vaive muKuparadza kweNazi.
Uye muchinyorwa chitsva chebhuku rake, iye akangodzikama zvikuru, nhau yechokwadi, iye anoti, “Vanhu vasina mhaka, vazhinjisa vavo vaduku, zvishoma nezvishoma vari kupinzwa muchetura nemvura yavanonwa uye sezvingabvira nevhu ravanodyara mariri. ” Uye iwe haudi kusimudza kukomba?
JS: Norman, kana iwe uchitaura nezve kuguma kweIsrael sezvazviri ikozvino -?
NF: Zvino, ndinofanira kutaura chokwadi, handiti "sezvazviripo izvozvi," pane dambudziko chairo, nevanhu vakaita senge - ndine chokwadi chekuti munonzwisisa uye handidi kunzwika nenzira ipi neipi kana kuzvidza - Iran iri kurangwa nekuremekedza chibvumirano ichi. Ndinoreva, kangani iwe wakaita izvozvo zvichiitika munhoroondo? Vanosaina chibvumirano. Vanokudza chibvumirano. Chakanga chiri chibvumirano chakaoma zvikuru. Iyo 5 + 1 sekudaidzwa kwayaiitwa yakaburitswa ingangoita chibvumirano chese chaunogona kuwana kubva kuIran, uye wozorangwa nekukudza chibvumirano. Uye kurongeka kwekubvarura chibvumirano kwakatanga naNetanyahu. Vanhu vachafungei pamusoro peiyi nyika yokuzviti yechiJudha? Vachafungei? Zvakanga zvisina kuvanzwa kuti zvisaonekwe. Ndiani akatanga hoopla, imbwa uye pony show?
Saka, unofunga kuti vanhu vanofungei? Nasrallah, mwanakomana wake akaurayiwa nevaIsraeri. South Lebanon, vaive nejeri rainzi Khiam. Ndinoyeuka rimwe pepanhau rokuFrance rakarirondedzera senzvimbo yokutambudzira yeGestapo. Ndaivepo. Ndakazviona, ndinorangarira kuti vaimbokuperekedza parwendo uripo. Muna 2006, unoziva chinhu chekutanga chakaitwa nevaIsraeri? Vakatumira ndege kuzoiparadza. Vaisada kuti vanhu vaone zvavakanga vaita. Unoziva? Saka kutsamwa, kuvenga vaIsraeri—
Handisi kuzonyepedzera kuva mutsvene, asi chinhu chinosetsa ndechekuti, pakati pevaPalestine, ndini ndinogara ndichiedza kudzikamisa ruvengo. Ndanga ndichikumbira vanhu veGaza, kana iwe ukaburitsa maonero ako, usaisa Israeri mumashoko. Unorasikirwa nemunhu wese. Usadaro - uye izvo zvakavaomera kwazvo, nekuti ipfungwa, sangano reZionist, riise mumakotesheni. Ndakaita zvandaigona kuti nditaure, kutanga, hazvina kuchena mune zvematongerwo enyika uye zviri pamutemo, ndiwo mutemo, ndine chokwadi kuti unoziva mutengo wandakabhadhara kuudza BDS, kana iwe ukati wakamira munyika dzakawanda. mutemo, Israeri inyika. Ndinofanira kuzviziva. Zvikasadaro unenge uri munyengeri.
Uye saka, uye ini ndiri manzwiro, asi ini ndiriwo munhu wekufunga uye chokwadi. Uye kana ndikazviwana ndichifunga pfungwa idzi idzi pfungwa dzakasvibirira pamusoro penyika yaSatani, ndinogona kungofungidzira izvo munhu wese ari kufunga asiri mundangariro - kana kuedza kuva - akadzikama mupfungwa seni, uye anonyanya kupiwa kuputika, kuputika kwehasha kusina musoro. Saka, iwe unogona kungofunga zviri nyore kuunganidzwa kwehasha pane iyo mamiriro. Uye sezvo maIrani achifambisa zvinyoronyoro zvimedu zvavo pachessboard, ndinofunga iri kuenda munzira, zvakanyanya, zvinotyisa.
Uye saka kutombobvunza mibvunzo, iwe unofunga kuti maIsrael ari kufungei? Havasi kufunga. Sezvakanyorwa naMehdi Hasan mune yako The Intercept, vese vakuru veIsrael vanofunga, vakuru vemauto, vezvematongerwo enyika, vese vanoti chaive chibvumirano chakanaka. Usabvisa chibvumirano! Akazvibvarura zvakadaro, nekuti ndewechitatu wezvematongerwo enyika. Iye muratidziri. Iye PT Barnum. Kwete, ndiri kurevesa. Ndiye PT Barnum wezvematongerwo enyika. Iwe unoziva, chirevo chaBarnum chine mukurumbira, "Munhu anoyamwa anozvarwa mazuva ese?" Anongotsvaga anoyamwa.
Kwete, Iran haisi yekuyamwisa. Uyu haasi Saddam Hussein. Uye kana Nasrallah. Vari kutamba mutambo wakareba. Uye ndinotya.
Sezvandaimbotaura dzimwe nguva, ndine pfungwa dzakaipa idzodzo. Ndinotya kwazviri kunanga. Mamiriro ezvinhu ane ngozi zvikuru. Nzvimbo iyoyo idiki chaizvo. Hezbollah ine zvombo zvakakwana. Uye vanogona kusvika kuDimona. Vachazviita here? Handizive.
Isu tiri mumamiriro ezvinhu akaipa, akaipa kwazvo, zvakadaro.
JS: Pamusoro pechinyorwa chinosimudzira, ndinoda kukutendai. Kwete, ndinoziva, unogara uripo, unotora basa rako nebasa reavo vakakupoteredza zvakanyanya, uye ndinotenda chimiro ichocho. Uye ndinokutendai zvikuru nebasa renyu rose, Norman.
NF: Ndatenda.
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Hurukuro inonakidza. Zvakanaka kunzwa kubva kune wezvenhau ane ruzivo akadaro nezvemamiriro ekumabvazuva kwepakati. Zvechokwadi, zvinotyisa zvikuru.