Izvi zvinotevera zvakanyorwa kubva pakuonekwa kwaMichael Moore paCNN's Larry King Live
Larry King: Ane zvinhu zvizhinji, asi haazi chimwe chazvo chakagomara. Michael Moore, academy inohwina mugadziri wemafirimu. Firimu razvino ndere"Slacker Uprising: Kutarisa Kuvhota Yevechidiki." Bhuku rake richangoburwa ndere "Mike's Election Guide '08". Anotsigira, sezvaungafungidzira, waBarack Obama.
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Michael Moore: Ndiri muimba yevakuru muno muno
Mambo: Unoitei nezve "Joe the Plumber" chinhu naMcCain?
MaRepublicans, hurongwa hwavo hwese hwemutero ndehwekuranga vanogadzira pombi nevamwe vese vane basa rakadai munyika muno. Uye zvakadaro ivo neimwe nzira vakatora murume uyu - ndinonzwira tsitsi murume uyu, zvakare. Pamwe akanga asingatarisiri kuti aonekwe seizvi. Uye asi hazvisi chaizvo nezvake semunhu. Uye handifungi kuti vanhu vanofanira kunge vachimushora nekuda kwekuti haasi mupuremba ane rezinesi kana kuti zita rake haasi Joe kana chimwe chinhu chakabuda. Ndinongofunga kuti izvozvo hazvina basa.
Chinhu chimwe chete chakakodzera ndechekuti McCain achaita shuwa kuti vapfumi vanowana imwe inoshamisa yekuzorora mutero vamwe vese vachitambura. Uye Obama achaita chokwadi chekuti vakomana vakaita seizvi vari kushanda kumashure kwangu manheru ano muno
Mambo: Unoitei neizvi, Michael?
Zvamazvirokwazvo, kana vakomana vari shure kwangu pano kana vaizonyora cheki yemari yavakanga vasina mubhangi votoshandisa cheki iyoyo kutenga chimwe chinhu nayo, vaisungwa. Inonzi cheki kiting.
Asi handizvo zvinoitika kuWall Street. Izvo hazvisi izvo zvinoitika kune maCEO uye hedge fund vanhu. Vanosiyana nazvo. Ndivanhu ava, McCain, mushandirapamwe wake, vanomiririra socialism kune vapfumi. VaObama nemaDemocrats vanomirira kupa vakomana ava nevamwe vanhu vakaita saivo zororo.
Mambo: Ngatitii Obama anovimbisa kuderedzwa kwemitero kune 95 muzana yevanhu. Unozviita sei uye kugadzirisa hutano uye mamwe matambudziko ose anoda kubhadharwa?
Moore: Uri kundibvunza kana ndanga ndichigadzira bhajeti rinotevera?
OK. Hezvino zvaunoita. Unopedza hondo muIraq. Ndiyo $10 bhiriyoni pamwedzi yatiri kushandisa inogona kushandiswa kugadzirisa migwagwa yedu, kuvaka mabhiriji, kuvaka zvikoro, kuwedzera vashandi vedu vanamukoti — zvinhu zvese zvatinoda munyika ino. Tinogona kutanga nekubvisa mari kubva kuhondo iyi uye mari kubva kune anopenga Pentagon mazano asina kutiitira zvakanaka uye angotikuvadza. Ndiyo imwe nzvimbo yakanaka yekutanga kuwana mari inoda kuitika.
Asi chinhu pamusoro pehutano, iwe unounza izvozvo. Iwe haufanirwe kuenda kunodhinda mari sezvavari kuita kubhadhara vapfumi muhombe iyi, unoziva, kuba kuri kuitika muWall Street. Kutarisirwa kwehutano kunozozvibhadharira, kana hurumende yaimhanyisa, dai yanga isiri purofiti. Rangarira, dambudziko redu rehutano rakawanda nderekuti makambani einishuwarenzi ehutano anofanira kuita purofiti yakakura. Uye ivo vanovaka iyo purofiti mukati. Ndosaka tichibhadhara zvakanyanya kune hutano hutano kupfuura chero imwe nyika pasi pano.
Saka kana isu takazviita nenzira iyo dzimwe nyika dzese dzakabudirira dzinozviita, hazvitore chero kupi zvako pedyo nezvazvinodhura izvozvi. Paizove nemasavings.
Mambo: Svondo rapfuura, Colin Powell, pa "Meet The Press," kutsigirwa kwakasimba kwaObama. MaConservatives akaputika - vamwe vacho vakaputira Powell nekuda kwayo. [Kusanganisira] Rush Limbaugh:
Rush Limbaugh clip: "Zvakanaka, regai nditaure zvinonzwika. Uye regai ndizvitaure zviri pachena. Zvakanga zviri zverudzi. Kudomwa kana kutsigirwa kwaPowell - zvachose - pamusoro pedzinza."
Mambo: Unoziva here kuti aizoziva sei izvozvo?
Moore: Ehe, nekuti, ndinofunga ndezvemujaho weRush Limbaugh uye nevanhu vanomutevera. Uku ndiko kusiririsa kwesarudzo iyi. Uye ndinofungidzira kuti kune mamirioni evaAmerica kunze uko - ruzhinji rwevanhu vekuAmerica, vari kutarisira kupokana netariro kuti nhangemutange iyi haizove yerudzi uye kuti avo vanoramba vachiedza kupinza nhangemutange nenzira isina kunaka, nenzira ichaita. buritsai zvakaipa mune vamwe vanhu — ngatitarisirei kuti mazuva gumi nerimwe adarika achave mazuva gumi nerimwe ekupedzisira atichafanira kuteerera kutaura kudai munyika muno.
General Powell, handifunge, chaizvo, akamboita chero sarudzo dzake zvichienderana nerudzi. Ini handisi fani yake. Ndizvo chaizvo. Ane zvakawanda - kupfidza kwakawanda kuita kutungamira nyika ino muhondo.
Asi ini ndinotenda zvakasimba mururegerero. Uye mazwi aakataura aive nesimba, pa "Meet The Press," ane simba, zvaakataura pamusoro pechii chakaipa nekuve muMuslim munyika ino?
Saka ko kana Obama aive?
Ndinoreva kuti ndicho chaive sechinhu chakakosha. Uye hapana akataura izvozvo, Larry. Uye yaive nesimba zvekuti akazvitaura uye akataura nezve murwi wechidiki wechiMuslim akafira mubasa renyika ino. Handisati ndamboona maminetsi manomwe asina kukanganiswa zvakadaro paterevhizheni yenyika kubva pandakawana maminetsi manomwe ne[CNN's] Wolf Blitzer.
Mambo:Nhau yaVaObama nehugandanga yatekeshera pamisangano yeMcCain. Heino chidimbu chekuchinjana kweMcCain nemuvhoti mukuru akavhiringika:
Muvhoti wechikadzi asingazivikanwe: Handikwanise kuvimba naObama.
McCain: Ndine izvozvo.
Muvhoti wechikadzi asingazivikanwe: Ndakaverenga nezvake uye haasi - haasi - mu - muArab.
McCain: Kwete, mhamha. Kwete mhamha. Iye - murume ane mhuri ane hunhu, mugari wemo wandinongove nekusawirirana naye pazvinhu zvakakosha. Uye ndizvo zvakaita mushandirapamwe uyu. Haasi. Ndatenda. Mambo: Haana kuzvibata zvakanaka here, Michael?
Moore: Ndinoziva kuti hana yake yaiedza kuzvibata zvakanaka, nokuti ndinofunga kuti pana John McCain, munoziva, haasi munhu ane rusaruraganda. Haatendi zvakadai. Uye akangosarudza nzira yakasviba kuti adzike.
Asi kuti nditi aiwa mhamha, haasi muArab, anehunhu, ndozvaitaurwa naPowell. Zvakaita sekuti mira zvishoma, wataura zvisirizvo zvakare. Imwe haina kusarudzika yeimwe.
Munoziva, pandakaona izvozvo, ndakafunga kuti unoziva chii, mupikisi mukuru waObama musarudzo idzi dzemusi wa4 Mbudzi haasi John McCain, kusaziva. NdiObama vachipesana nekusaziva.
Uye kusaziva neruvengo nerusaruraganda zvichakunda here kana kuti ndiani anofanirwa kuva mutungamiri wenyika, anodiwa neruzhinji rwevanhu kuti ave mutungamiri wenyika?
Ndizvo zvichaitika here?
Zvese zvatinofanira kubata nazvo, zvinoita sekunge tiri kubata nazvo mumavhiki mashoma apfuura.
Panzvimbo pekutaura nezvekupamba kukuru kwenguva dzose paWall Street nepamusoro pe5 muzana yenyika ino, tichiri kutaura nezvekusaziva uye upenzi hwevamwe vanhu uye kuti izvo zvichatungamirira sei vhoti yavo.
Moore: Ini ndichatenda kuti vanhu vachapinda musarudzo, uye ndinotenda kuti vanhu vazhinji vachavhotera John McCain uye imhaka yekuti havazivi, imhaka yekuti vanotenda chaizvo mune izvo McCain anotenda mazviri.
Asi kana imwe nhamba yemamiriyoni evanhu vachavhota mukusaziva ndinovimba kuti vachazvidzidzisa imwe nguva mu[mazuva ekupedzisira].
Mambo: Unofunga kuti une nharo here?
Moore: Ehe, ndanzwa promo yeshoo nezve, munoziva, mambo wemakakatanwa ariko manheru ano. Uye ndiri kufunga kuti chii pamusoro pangu chandisati ndambonzwisisa izvi.
Ndakaita sei kuti ndiite nharo?
Ndiri mugadziri wemafirimu. Saka ndakaita firimu rangu rekutanga makore angangoita makumi maviri apfuura. Uye ndakati pamwe tinofanira kutarisa General Motors uye indasitiri yemotokari. Ndinofunga kuti vari kuenda mudumbu-up. Ndakadaro makore makumi maviri apfuura.
Hakuzove neGeneral Motors gore rinouya, maziviro atinozviita. Hakuzove neGeneral Motors gore rinouya. Asi pandakataura izvozvo panguva iyoyo - ndinorangarira, yaive yekutanga kutaridzika kwangu pashoo yako. Uye ndinorangarira kuti paive nepro-GM munhu pashow neni. Uye, mukomana, ndakaita sekunge ndaiva dhiyabhorosi akaiswa munyama nokuda kwekutevera sangano reAmerica rakakomborerwa zvikuru, General Motors.
Uye muhupenyu hwangu hwese, ingave "Bowling yeColumbine" nekuti ndaifunga kuti kupfura kwechikoro yaive pfungwa yakaipa, kana "Sicko" nekuti ndinofunga inofanirwa kuve kodzero yekukwanisa kuona chiremba munyika ino kana ukarwara, kana "Fahrenheit 9/11" kwandakanga ndichangove nepfungwa yekupenga yekuti pamwe hakuzove nechero zvombo zvekuparadza kukuru muIraq uye isu taitungamirwa munzira isiriyo ipapo. Ndangokuudzai CV yangu. Zvakadini nazvo izvo zvine nharo? Saka nei ndaifanira kutambura kuburikidza nekurwiswa uku kubva kurudyi?
Mambo: Pfungwa yakanaka.
Moore: Handisati ndambozvinzwisisa.
Mambo: [Misika mikuru yekuAsia iri kudonha.] Michael, chii chiri kuitika?
Moore: Zvakanaka, zvinhu zvakawanda zviri kuitika. Handikwanise kutaura neJapan zvakanyanya sezvandinogona kune zvandinofunga kuti zviri kuitika pano. Manzwiro angu ndeekuti vapfumi vave, munoziva, vanga vachiridza pfuti pano kwenguva yakareba, bato ravo rave richitonga kwemakumi maviri emakore ekupedzisira makumi maviri nemasere, bato reRepublican. uye ndinofunga vanoziva kuti pamwe vari munzira yekubuda. Uye pavanobuda, vanenge vakaita sembavha - chaizvo, vakaita sevaenzi pakudya kwemanheru vachiedza kuba midziyo yesirivha munzira yekubuda nemusuwo.
Vari kuedza kurongedza mari yakawanda sezvavanokwanisa. Ndinoreva, zvese zviri kuitika izvozvi, kuhaya kwese kuri kuitwa neTreasury Department, maconsultants ese avari kuunza, makondirakiti ese emamiriyoni emadhora, vanhu ava vachangopfuma nguva nenguva. vanoedza kuzvibvisa munyonganyonga yavakagadzira, nekuti chaive chirongwa chikuru checheki, vachishandisa mari vaisafanira kutenga imwe mari kuti vawane mari.
Ndinoreva, zvakare, kana munhuwo zvake akaita izvozvo, anenge ari mujeri. Asi kwete vakomana ava. Uye ini ndinofunga, pakupedzisira, sevanhu vekuAmerica, pamwe isu tinofanirwa kuzvitarisa uye kufunga nezve izvi zvese - iyi inonzi nzanga yevaridzi. Iwe unoziva, vapfumi, munoziva, vakagonesa vanhu vazhinji vepakati kuti vaise mari yavo uye nemari shoma yavaive nayo mumusika wemasheya. Uye munoziva, ndiwo mutambo wemupfumi. Iwe unoziva, kana iwe wakagara patafura yepoker uye pane vakomana vaviri patafura vane mirwi yemachipisi, uye iwe wakagara ipapo nevashoma, zvakaoma zvikuru kutamba mumutambo iwoyo. Zvakaoma chaizvo kuhwina mutambo iwoyo. Iwe haugoni kuikunda, chaizvoizvo.
Ndiri kutaura nezve kwete vanhu veWall Street, asi nyika yese, inofanirwa kutarisa imwe nzira yekudyara mari uye nekuzviita nemirairo yavanayo kune dzimwe nyika dzava kutambura chaizvo nekuda kwezvandinoita. kufunga kwakatanga munyika ino. Uye kurega izvi pane vanhu vakaedza kutenga imba, kutenga imba yavo yekutanga, nenzira iyo, zvakare, John McCain nemaRepublicans vakaita izvi, kurova vanhu, munoziva, iye Joe chaiye wepombi waanotaura nezvake. , kuti anoda kuva parutivi. Uye zvakadaro - apo Joe mugadziri wepombi aida kutenga imba yekutanga, aida rubatsiro uye saka hurumende inofanirwa kunge iripo kuti ibatsire.
Ndiwo maitiro evabereki vedu, vabereki vedu, kubva kuFDR zvichienda mberi, ndizvo zvakaita kuti nyika ino isimbe. Ndiko kusaka tine kirasi huru yepakati. Ndosaka zvinhu zvese zvakakura, nekuti kana iwe - kana vanhu vaine basa rakanaka uye vachibhadharwa muhoro wakanaka, vanoshandisa mari iyoyo, izvo zvinobva zvagadzira mamwe mabasa. Taimboita mari kubva mukushanda kwedu, kubva kumazano edu, kubva mukugadzira kwedu.
Yakabva yachinja pasi peReagan. Ngatitange kuita mari kubva pamari. Ngatirambei tichifambisa mari. Ndiko kupfuma kwatichaita.
Mambo: Rega ndifonere. Clovis, California, mhoro.
Anofona: : Mhoro. Michael, CNN yakaburitsa ongororo yaiti pasi rose vanhu vana kune mumwe chete vanga vachitsigira chigaro chemutungamiri waVaObama. Unogona here kundipa maonero ako pane zviri kuitika pasi rose?
Moore: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga tese tinoziva kuti nyika yese inoda nyika ino. Vanoita zvomenemene. Vanotarisa kwatiri. Vanoyemura zvinhu zvakawanda pamusoro pedu. Takapa nyika zvinhu zvikuru zvakawanda. Uye ndinofunga kuti vanoshuva kuti America yekare idzoke. Uye saka, ndinofunga chikamu chakanaka chenyika ino yose, maererano nehuwandu hwako 75 muzana yavo, vanotenda kuti vachararama munyika iri nani, ine runyararo patinobvisa vanhu ava vanga vachitonga kwemakore masere. makore uye sarudza Barack Obama.
Ndinofunga kuti chinhu chakanaka. Chinhu chakanaka kwatiri. Chinhu chakanaka kwavari. Chinhu chakanaka chepasi. Uye ndinofunga kuti ndiyo nyika yatinoda kugara mairi tese.
Mambo: Tine mubvunzo weblog kubva kune mumwe Michael. "Ndezvipi zvaunofunga pamusoro pekuve neruzhinji rweDemocrat muImba neSeneti, pamwe nemutungamiri waObama? Hachingavi chinhu chakanyanya kunaka here?"
Moore: Hongu, zvaizodaro.
Mambo: Eya, hapana ngozi here mukubvumirana?
Moore: Ehe. Hongu, zviripo. Asi isu tichada kubatana ikozvino kuti tigadzirise kukuvadzwa kwese kwaitwa. Tichada nguva yemhando yeFDR, apo tine mutungamiri wenyika neCongress vachashanda pamwe chete kugadzira mutemo nezvinhu zvatinoda kuti tibvise nyika kubva muhutsvina hwairi. Dai taiva neRepublican Congress uye mutungamiri weDemocratic, uye VaObama vanouya imomo ndokuti isu tinofanirwa kutanga kubuda kubva kuIraq torega kushandisa madhora bhiriyoni gumi pamwedzi, uye isu tine maRepublicans akamira izvo, tinenge tiri mudambudziko rimwe chete ratanga tiri.
Saka, kwete, tinoda yakasimba, Democratic Congress. Tinoda maDemocrats akasarudzwa kuCongress munyika yose. Uye ndinofunga kuti vanhu vanofanira kutumira shoko kuvanhu vakaita izvi kwemakore masere apfuura, kune vanhu vakamhanyira hupfumi hwedu pasi, kune vanhu vakatiendesa kuhondo iyi; vanofanira kurohwa. Uye nyika inofanirwa kuratidzira uye kusarudza maDemocrats kuCongress, kuSeneti uye kuWhite House. Uye ini ndichakuudza, izvo zvinotumira meseji yakajeka kune maDemocrats nemaRepublicans kuti usazomboedza izvozvo zvakare. .
Mambo: Uri kushamisika here kuti hapana Bush kana Cheney akaita chero chitarisiko?
Moore: Zvinokatyamadza, handizvo here? Vari kupi? Chokwadi kwete. Ndinoreva, ivo vanoziva kuti ndivo mutungamiriri asina mukurumbira uye mutevedzeri wemutungamiri. Vachabuda nenzira iyoyo. Nhoroondo haizovabata zvakanaka. Uye zvinofanira kudaro. Uye kutaura chokwadi, ndinovimba kana vaenda, pane komisheni inotarisa manyepo aitaurwa, mhosva dzakaparwa. Idzi imhosva dzakakomba, dzakakomba. Handigoni kufunga nezvemhosva yakaipisisa kupfuura kureva nhema kune imwe nyika kuti uende nayo kuhondo, kuitira kuti shamwari dziri mumaindastiri ako dzaunobva kuwana homwe dzavo dzakarongwa nemadhora edu emutero eAmerica.
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