Raji Sourani igweta rekodzero dzevanhu uye muvambi wePalestinian Center for Human Rights, iyo inonyora uye inoongorora kutyorwa kwekodzero dzevanhu muOccupied Territories. Akasungwa katanhatu pabasa rake, Sourani ari kugara muGaza parizvino, uye achienderera mberi nekushanda akakombwa. Anoudza Roma Rajpal Weiss kuti vanhu ikoko varasa tariro
Mamiriro akaita sei muGaza panguva ino?
Raji Sourani: Hativati โโusiku kana masikati. Kunenge kubhomba kusingapere, pese pese. Hakuna nzvimbo dzekugara; hakuna nzvimbo yakachengeteka chero kupi zvako muGaza, kune mabhomba kwose kwose. Iye zvino, tiri pakati pehondo: chero chinhu chicharova vanhu, chero chinhu chicharova chivakwa. Ndege nema drones hazvibvi mudenga.
Mhuri dzese dzakadzimwa, uye dambudziko nderekuti kuuraya kwakawanda ndekwevanhuwo zvavo. Zvatinowana kubva kuvashandi vedu vemumunda zvinoratidza kuti vanopfuura 77% yevakakuvadzwa vanokuvadzwa vanhuwo zvavo. Vanhuwo zvavo vari muziso redutu. Iwe uri kutaura nezveimwe yemhando yepamusoro-soro yemhepo mauto pasi pano. Uye iwe uri kutaura nezve F16s uye drones uye uto rine cheni yekuraira. Haisi maroketi asina kurongeka; vanotumira mabhomba aya kuzouraya. Hazvisi zvekutamba.
Kunzwa kwakadini ikoko?
Sourani: Vanhu vakatsamwa pano. Muna 2008-2009, nezvose zvinotyisa zvakaitika, pavakashandisa mabhomba ephosphorous muGaza yose, vakaparadza guta. Uye zvakare muna 2012 takava neimwe hondo, uye ikozvino tave nehondo yechitatu yakateedzana mumakore angangoita mashanu. Zvakawandisa kune chero huwandu hwevanhu. Vanhu vari kurwara chaizvo, vaneta, varukutika, uye hapana anoda kuzviisa pasi. Vanonzwa kuti hapasisina chekurasikirwa.
โVanhu vari kurwara chaizvo, vaneta, vaneta,โ anodaro Raji Sourani. โVanonzwa kuti hapasisina chekurasikirwa. Zviri nani kuti mamiriro aya aite nani kana kuti zviri nani kungofa"
Kana iwe uri mumamiriro ezvinhu akadai, unoona nyika yakangotarisa uye iwe unongova chikamu chenhau. Manzwiro akanyanya kukosha ndeapo paunonzwa mweya wako nemweya yevanhu vaunoda zvakachipa, uye kutambura kwako neropa rako zvakachipa, uye kune ropa rimwe chete nemweya uri mutsvene, iwo maIsrael maJudha, iwe kurasika pfungwa. Sekureva kwenhau, vakakuvara vasere panguva yehondo iyi - ndizvo chete zvavakatambura kudivi reIsrael, uye pano une gehena.
Mutsara wakajairika wandakanzwa apo vanhu vakatanga kutaura nezvekumisa kurwa: munhu wese anoti zviri nani kuti isu tose tife uye tisadzokera kumamiriro ataimboita hondo iyi isati yatanga. Hatidi izvozvo zvakare. Hatina kukudzwa, kana kuzvikudza; isu tingori zvipfuro zvakapfava, uye isu takachipa zvakanyanya. Either this situation really improves or zviri nani kungofa. Ndiri kutaura pamusoro pevakangwara, vadzidzi, vanhuwo zvavo: munhu wese arikutaura izvozvo.
Chiitiko chazvino uno, kuurawa kwepwere, chakanyandura sei rwisano?
Sourani: Handifunge kuti kuurayiwa kwevatatu vechidiki veIsrael kunobvumidza kuurayiwa kwevanhu gumi nemumwe muWest Bank neIsrael. Chaive chiitiko chega: hapana boka rePalestine, boka rezvematongerwo enyika, kana Hamas vakati, "Isu tine mhosva yekuuraiwa kwevachiri kuyaruka." Asi Mauto eIsrael akauraya vanhu muWest Bank: pakati pavo pakanga paine vechidiki vana. MuGaza, kuWest Bank, vakasunga vanhu vangangosvika chiuru nemazana matatu, pakati pavo makumi maviri nemasere enhengo dzeparamende dzePalestine. Kwete izvi chete, vakaparadza masangano nemayunivhesiti. Pashure pokunge vapedza neWest Bank, vakasvika kuGaza ndokuuraya vanhu vakawanda se1,300, 28 muzana vavo vakadzi navana, uye vakakuvadza mazana avanhu avo zvino vane hosha yomuviri sezvo vakarasika maoko avo kana tsoka kana kuti mapofu. .
Israel yakatanga 1,800 kurwisa kwemhepo mune imwe yenzvimbo dzine vanhu vakawanda muGaza. Hazvitendeseki kuti tiri kuita nhamba iyi yekuuraya nekukuvadzwa. MuGaza yose hamuna nzvimbo yakachengeteka. Zvinonyadzisa kuti Israeri nenharaunda dzepasi rose vanobvumira izvi kuti zviitike. Idzi imhosva dzehondo, zviri nyore saizvozvi.
Raji Sourani anoti vanhu 20,000 XNUMX vakamanikidzwa kutiza misha yavo: โVanhu vakangoenda nembatya kumusana nechinhu chipi nechipi chavaigona kutakura mumaoko avo, uye iye zvino vava kuhwanda muzvikoro uye vava vapoteri munyika yavo vameneโ
Vanhu veGaza varasikirwa netariro zvachose here?
Sourani: Vanoshungurudzika. Vanhu vanosundwa zvakasimba, vakaisa misana yavo kumadziro. Uri kutaura nezvevanhu vakadzidza, vanoona TV uye vanoziva nezvenyika. Vakamanikidza vanhu 20,000 XNUMX kutiza misha yavo, uye vakadonhedza mapepa. Vanhu vaingoenda nembatya kumusana nechero chavaigona kutakura mumaoko, zvino vave kuhwanda muzvikoro vatova vapoteri munyika yavo. Maturakiti anodonhedzwa pakati pehusiku anotaura kuti unofanira kufambisa nekukasika. Saka kune vakatiza idambudziko, nekuti vakasiya zvese: vakasiya dzimba dzavo, minda yavo, minda yavo. Uye panguva imwe chete, kune avo vakasarudza kusara, zvine ngozi zvikuru.
Unoona here nzira yekubuda nayo mukukonana uku mune ramangwana?
Sourani: Hongu, nyore - kupedza basa racho. Izvi ndizvo zvese zvinodiwa. Vanotaura nezvazvo sebasa rakarurama, rakanaka, kana kuti rakarurama. Ungataura sei nezvekururamisira pasi pebasa? Sei vakasaina zvibvumirano uye mushure memakore makumi maviri ekusaina chibvumirano isu tine hondo, tine mhondi, tine kuparadzwa, nhamo. Hatisi zvakajairika; hatina chiremera. Vari kutiuraya, vachitityisidzira uye kutikomba. Hatigoni kufamba mukati meGaza kuti tione shamwari nehama dzedu; mamiriro ezvinhu ane ngozi zvikuru. Yese Gaza iri pasi penguva yekusvika pamba, hapana chiri kufamba mairi.
Unofunga kuti chii chinofanira kuitwa nekukurumidza?
Sourani: Vagari vemo vari muziso redutu: ndivo vavariro. Pakarepo, ungafunga nezvekudzivirira vanhuwo zvavo, zvichireva: kuita kuti chibvumirano chepamutemo chenyika dzepasi rose cheGeneva Convention, Chisungo chekutanga. Isu tinofungidzirwa kuti 'vanhuwo zvavo vakachengetedzwa' vebasa iri, uye hapana dziviriro. Uye saka zvakanyanya ini ndingakurudzira kuti hurumende yeSwitzerland ishevedze kumapato epamusoro makondirakiti kuti vaite musangano wekupa dziviriro kuvanhu vePalestine. Ndizvo zvatinoda, zvakaipa.
Chechipiri, Gaza yakanga yatove mumamiriro ezvinhu ane njodzi zvisati zvaitika izvi. Kwemakore masere tave tichikombwa neutsotsi, kwoutsinye, kusiri pamutemo, chiri chimiro chechirango chakabatanidzwa chavanhu vane mamiriyoni maviri. Hapana kufamba kwezvinhu kana vanhu. Izvi zvakakanyira Gaza zvachose, uye zvakaita kuti Gaza ive nzvimbo inosiririsa uye jeri rakakura kwazvo. Tine 65% hurovha; Chikamu che90% chevanhu vedu vari pasi pehurombo, ukuwo 85% vachiwana migove. Tinoshayiwa zvose: mvura; tsvina inorasirwa mumugwagwa, isingagoni kurapwa.
โUku ndiko kudzikira kweGaza Strip, kwete nekuti tiri simbe kana kupenga kana vanhu vakaipa. Tine chikamu chepamusoro-soro chevakapedza kudzidza kuyunivhesiti pasi pano,โ anodaro Raji Sourani. โHandidi nyika yePalestine. Ndinoda kuva normal. Ini hangu basa iri handiridiโ
Uku ndiko kuderera kweGaza Strip, uye kwete nekuti isu tiri simbe kana kupenga kana vanhu vakaipa. Tine chikamu chepamusoro-soro chevakapedza kudzidza kuyunivhesiti pasi pano. Tine imwe yemakirasi ekushanda ane hunyanzvi muMiddle East. Tine nharaunda yebhizimisi yakanaka uye mari yakakwana. Hatitarisire chimwe chinhu kunze kwerusununguko rwekufamba - kupera kwekukomba uye rusununguko rwekufamba kwenhumbi nevanhu kuenda nekubva kuGaza. Sangano reHuman Rights Council rinofanirwa kutumira basa rekuferefeta, kumatunhu akatorwa vanhu, kuGaza, kuitira kuti vaongorore mhosva dzehondo idzi dzakaparwa neIsrael. Tinoda komiti inokwanisa kuita kuti chero vanofungidzirwa kuti matsotsi ehondo azvidavirire. Tinongoda kutonga kwemutemo munzvimbo ino yenyika.
Uye chatinongoda chete kupera kweichi tsotsi, basa remhirizhonga, asi hapana ari kutaura nezvazvo. Handidi kuzvitonga, handidi rusununguko, handidi nyika yePalestine โ ndinoda kuva munhuwo zvake. Ini hangu basa iri handiridi. Tinoda hutongi hwemutemo: izvo zvakanyanya kubvunza? Ndine makore 60 okukura, uye handiyeuki rimwe zuva kuti ini kana mhuri yangu kana kuti vanhu vatinoziva takararama zuva rakafanana nerangu. Ndakapemberera zuva rekuzvarwa remakumi maviri emapatya angu musi wa12 Chikunguru, apo bhomba rakanga riri gehena. Chii chasara kurangarira kunze kweizvozvo?
Kune dzimwe shamwari dzeIsrael dzinofona, uye dzinongochema dzichiti: tinonzwa kuoma mitezo, hatigoni kuita chinhu, zvose zvatinogona kuita kukunyengeterera.
Chii chinoita kuti urambe uchienderera mberi panguva yakaoma kudai?
Sourani: Handina kodzero yekukanda mapfumo pasi. Hatigoni kuva vanyajambwa vanozviisa pasi; ticharamba tichirwira rusununguko rwedu, uye iyi ndiyo kodzero yedu uye zvatinosungirwa kuti tiite. Chikwata changu chinomuka mangwanani ega ega chotsvaga nzira yekuuya kubasa. Isu tinofanirwa kuenderera mberi nekunyora zviri kuitika pano, uye isu tinofanirwa kutaura nyaya yezviri kuitika pano, uye isu tiri pano kuchengetedza vanhuwo zvavo munguva ino yehondo.
Raji Sourani akaremekedzwa nemubairo weRight Livelihood Award muna 2013 nekuda kwekuzvipira kwake kusingazungunuke kuchinangwa chekodzero dzevanhu.
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