SHARMINI PERIES, EXEC. PRODUCER, TRNN: Ndiyo Real News Network. Ini ndiri Sharmini Peries, ndichiuya kwauri kubva kuBaltimore.France iri kuunza misoro yenyaya yezvinhu zvakawanda mazuva ano. Haisi kungotambirwa makwikwi enhabvu ekuEurope chete, asi makwikwi aya akakanganiswa nemhirizhonga yevatsigiri venhabvu mukati nekunze kwenhandare. Zvakare, mugari wechiFrench anoti kuzvipira kuIslam State kwakauraya mupurisa nemumwe wake. Pamusoro pezvinhu izvi zvese, kuratidzira kweVashandi veVashandi vechangobva kuderera kwevashandi vachangopfuurira. NeChipiri chapfuura, makumi ezviuru akapinda mumigwagwa muParis ndokuguma varwisana nemapurisa. Vanhu vanosvika makumi manomwe vakasungwa, uye varatidziri nemapurisa vanosvika makumi mana vakakuvara. Mutungamiri Franรงois Hollande vave kutyisidzira kurambidza kuratidzira. Kubatana neni izvozvi kutaura nezve zvese izvi ndiRenaud Lambert. Ndiye mupepeti webepa remwedzi The diplomatic world. Ndinokutendai zvikuru nekubatana nesu, Renaud.
RENAUD LAMBERT, EDITOR, LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE: Maita basa nekundiwana.
PERIES: Saka ngatitangei nemhando yekudzokorora zvimwe zvezvichangobva kuitika muFrance maererano nekuvandudzwa kwevashandi kuri kuitika.LAMBERT: Chokwadi. Zvakanaka, panguva ino pane hukama hwemagariro uye hurumende iri kuvhara nyanga. Mutungamiriri wehurumende, VaManuel Valls, pamwe nemutungamiri wenyika, VaFranรงois Hollande, vakati havasi kuzosuduruka. Uye sangano revashandi pamwe nesangano revadzidzi rakatsunga kuita kuti mutemo, bhiri risundirwe parutivi. Asi zvinoita sekuti hurumende haisi kuterera. Munoziva, vakamanikidza bhiri iri kuburikidza neParamende pasina hurukuro, vachishandisa mutemo wakasarudzika. Uye vanoita sevasina kuteerera. Mukupesana, zano ravari kutora izano rokusawirirana mumigwagwa, nechisimba chakanyanya.
PERIES: Zvino, ndanzwisisa kuti Mutungamiri Hollande vatyisidzira kumisa kana kurambidza kuratidzira. Zvino, anokwanisa here kuita izvozvo?
LAMBERT: Zvakanaka, isu tiri kurarama mumamiriro enjodzi. Parizvino chero chinhu chinogoneka. Zvino, zvingaita here kuzviita? Chekutanga, ndinofunga kuti zvinonakidza kuona kuti vari kupembedza sei sarudzo iyi. Kwave kune mwero mukuru wemhirizhonga. Asi semazuva ese pakange paine kutsamwiswa kwakanyanya nemapurisa kune rimwe divi, uye kune rimwe divi wakasarudza mapoka akaita semabhururu mumigwagwa. Uye vari muhondo. Asi zviri kuitika ndezvekuti hurumende iri kuti masangano evashandi ndiwo ari kukonzera mhirizhonga iyi. Zvakangofanana nekuti munenge muchiti makirabhu enhabvu, makirabhu enhabvu anokonzera mhirizhonga yehuhure. Unoziva? Hazvina musoro. Asi zvakadaro ndizvo zvavari kuita. Uye vari kuti, sezvo masangano evashandi asingakwanise kuchengetedza kurongeka nerunyararo mumigwagwa, saka ibasa redu kurambidza kuratidzira. Asi harisi basa remasangano evashandi kuita runyararo mumigwagwa. Ndivo chete vane basa rekugadzirisa divi ravo rekuratidzira. Unoziva? Uye munhu anofanirwa kushamisika kuti ndiani ari kuwana kubva mukukwira uku kwemhirizhonga mumamiriro ezvinhu apo iri mutsara wehutsotsi hwehutsotsi hwechero kushora kwemaitiro ehurumende.
PERIES: Zvino, Renaud, masangano evashandi mune zvese izvi-zviri pachena kuratidzira kwevashandi kuri kukura uye kufamba kuri kukura. Asi vari kuitei? Vari kuedza kutaurirana nehurumende here? Vakaita sei pavakatyisidzirwa kuti kuratidzira kwavo kurambidzwa nemutungamiri wenyika?
LAMBERT: Zvakanaka, parizvino pane mibvunzo nezve democracy muFrance. Mutemo wekumanikidza bhiri iri kuburikidza neParamende hausi hutongi hwejekerere, kunyangwe zvakanyorwa muBumbiro reMitemo. Kurambidza kuratidzira mumigwagwa hakuna hutongi hwejekerere, kunyange hazvo paine mukana wekuti hurumende ipasise izvi. Parizvino mubvunzo mukuru ndewekuti: masangano evashandi anogona kuenderera mberi kwenguva yakareba sei? Vanga vachiunza kurwira kunoshamisa, ndinofanira kutaura. Vanga vakangwara mumaitiro avo. Paita mhirizhonga shoma kana mukatarisa huwandu hwemapurisa akaiswa mumigwagwa.Asi pane chimwe chinhu chiri muboka revashandi chiri kuda kuzeya nyaya dzakaipa pazvikamu makumi mashanu nezviviri zviri mumutemo. Asi pane chimwe chinhu-uye ini ndingafarira iyi nzira yechipiri yekutarisa zvinhu-inoti isu tinofanirwa kubvisa zvese, nekuti chimwe nechimwe chezvinyorwa makumi mashanu neshanu zviri mumutemo zvine njodzi. Dzinoda kupedzwa. Asi izvi zvinogona kuitika kwenguva yakareba sei? Mubvunzo mukuru waive wekuti: ko nhangemutange yeEuro nhabvu/nhabvu icharemerwa sei nekufamba kwevanhu? Uye ndinofunga hazvisi kutungamira vanhu kuenda kumba uye kukanganwa nezve bhiri. Vanhu vari kunetseka, uye tine kuratidzira kuviri kwakarongwa svondo rinouya, kuratidzira kukuru kuviri.
PERIES: Zvino, Renaud, mubatanidzwa mukuru wemubatanidzwa uri kuseri kwekuratidzira ndeye CGT, iyo munguva yakapfuura yakabatana neCommunist Party yeFrance. Uye iyo inowanzorangarirwa kuva yakakasharara zvikuru, mubatanidzwa wakakomba zvikuru womubatanidzwa. Rutsigiro rwakadini rwavanarwo mukurwisa iko zvino vachipesana nekuvandudzwa kwemabasa? Uye pane mukana here wekuti kuchange kuine mamwe masangano evashandi anovakumbanira uye izvi zvichikura kuva kurwisana kukuru kupfuura izvo zvave pedyo zvino?
LAMBERT: Patova nemamwe masangano anobatanidzwa mubato. Zvechokwadi haisi CGT-yoga kufamba. Chipiri chapfuura- makataura nezve kuratidzira kukuru kwakaitika muParis. Zvamazvirokwazvo rakanga riri gurusa kubvira pakatanga sangano racho, kunyange zvazvo vezvenhau vataura kuti kwakanga kusina munhu mumigwagwa. Iwe unoona pane webhusaiti, Le MondeWebhusaiti, unoona mifananidzo yevanhu vaviri vachifamba mumugwagwa. Ndaivepo mukuratidzira uye ndinogona kukuudza kuti yaive yakazara. Uye saka kune mamwe mibatanidzwa. Kune Force Ouvriรจre, kune SUD (Solidaires), vadzidzi, masangano evadzidzisi. Saka pane kufamba kwakafara mumibatanidzwa. Uye ndinofunga kutsunga kwavo kunowedzerwa nehuwandu hwehutsinye hwavari kugamuchira kubva kuhurumende, asi kubva kune vezvenhau zvakare. Ndinoreva, mamwe emashoko akaitwa panhepfenyuro ari kuenzanisa CGT neISIS, mauto emagandanga. Masangano evashandi anofananidzwa nemasangano asiri pamutemo, sangano rematsotsi. Uye hazvina musoro.Vanhu vanozviziva uye vanoona kuti blockage iri kubva kuhurumende. Masvondo mashoma apfuura paive nemitsara mikuru kubva kuvanhu vaiedza kutora mafuta mumagaraji epeturu, uye vanhu vakagumbuka nazvo. Vakanga vasvotwa. Asi kana wakataura navo, vakati, zvakanaka, hurumende inofanira kuita chimwe chinhu. Vainzwisisa kuti vanhu vairwa.
Peries: Uye chii chinopindura kuti kusimuka kwemudzidzi kune zvese izvi? Zvino, ini ndoziva chimwe chezvikonzero [incompr.] Ivo vari kuratidzira imhaka yemamiriro ehupfumi uye huwandu hwekusashanda. Takataura izvi zvisati zvaitika. Uye ikozvino, zvechokwadi, vakabatana nevezvi zvese zvekutengeserana zvekutengeserana. Ndezvipi zvirimo zvakapfuura zviripo, sekusarongeka pakati pekufamba kwemudzidzi uye kufamba kwevashandi?
LAMBERT: The convergence yaibudirira. Zvakaitika mavhiki mashoma apfuura. Uye apo Nuit debou, bato revadzidzi randakataura nezvaro pachirongwa chenyu mwedzi mishoma yadarika zvino, rakanga richidzikira, sangano remasangano evashandi rakatanga. Uye zvino vadzidzi vari kutora rutivi mukuratidzira. Asi isangano remubatanidzwa wechinyakare muFrance parizvino. Ini ndinofunga, nenzira yakafanana neyeOccupy Wall Street yakadyara mbeu munzvimbo yezvematongerwo enyika yeUS kana [inaud.] Occupy, vakatsamwa muSpain akaita, ndinofunga mbeu dzakadyarwa muFrance. Uye zvino tichafanira kumirira mavhiki mashoma, mwedzi, pamwe makore kuti tione dudziro, dudziro yezvematongerwo enyika. Kune akawanda masangano ari kuzvarwa, ari kugadzirwa, uye anofa ese muzuva rimwe chete, ese muvhiki rimwechete. Pane zvinhu zvakawanda zviri kuitika pane zvematongerwo enyika. Asi kurwisana kwemutemo uku kuri kunyanya kutungamirwa nemasangano evashandi.
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