Kwakabva: The Real News
Greg Wilpert: Tikugashirei kuThe Real News Network. Ini ndiri Greg Wilpert muArlington, Virginia. Kuramwa mabasa kweveruzhinji muFrance kwave kupinda musvondo rechinomwe izvozvi. Kuramwa kwenguva refu kwakadai munhoroondo yeFrance. Kuramwa mabasa uku kwanga kuchikanganisa zvifambiso zveveruzhinji, zvikuru sei njanji yeFrance, asi kwave kusanganisawo vashandi vezvedzidzo, hutano, mutemo, hutsanana, tsika nemagetsi. Kunyange hazvo rutsigiro rweveruzhinji rwekuramwa mabasa urwu rwuchinzi rwadzikira nguva pfupi yadarika, ongororo dzinoratidza kuti ruzhinji rwevaFrance vachiri kutendera danho iri.
Kuramwa mabasa uku kuri kuita chirongwa chekuvandudza mudyandigere icho chiri kusundidzirwa nehurumende yeMutungamiri Emmanuel Macron, icho chinozobatanidza hurongwa hwemudyandigere makumi mana nembiri muchikamu chimwe chete. Maererano neimwe ongororo, hurongwa uhu hunogona kubhadharisa vashandi mari inosvika makumi matatu kubva muzana kana vaenda pamudyandigere. Mukupera kwesvondo rapfuura, Mutungamiriri Édouard Philippe akazivisa kuti hurumende ichabvisa chirevo chekuwedzera zera remudyandigere nemakore maviri. Asi pari zvino hurumende iri kuda kuti masangano aya abude nechisungo chekuti achachengetedza sei mari muhurongwa hwepenjeni. Iyo yakanyanya mwero CFDT Union Federation yakagamuchira chikumbiro, asi iyo yakanyanya kusimba CGT Federation haina uye inodaidzira kuratidzira patsva neChina.
Kubatana neni izvozvi kuti tikurukure kuramwa kweruzhinji rweFrance uye kuti inopinda sei mumamiriro makuru epasirese ndiGabriel Rockhill. Ndiye Associate Purofesa wePhilosophy paVillanova University uye ndiye akatanga mutungamiriri weCritical Theory Workshop inoitika muParis, France gore negore. Tinotenda nekubatana nesu nhasi, Gabriel.
Gabriel R.: Maita basa nekundiitisa.
Greg Wilpert: Saka iwe nguva pfupi yadarika wakaburitsa chinyorwa pamusoro pekuramwa kwewebhusaiti CounterPunch, umo iwe unoti kurova kunofanirwa kuoneka mumamiriro eyero vest kufamba kwakaitika gore rapfuura. Tipei pfungwa pfupi yekuti sangano iri raive rei uye kuti rakabatana sei nekuramwa mabasa kweveruzhinji kuri kuitika muFrance izvozvi.
Gabriel R.: Saka kufamba kwemajasi eyero kwakatanga muKudonha kwa2018, uye kwaive kumukira kwakaitika kunze kwemaitiro echinyakare ekumiririra zvematongerwo enyika, zvichireva kuti mibatanidzwa nemapato ezvematongerwo enyika. Uye yakanyanya kuunganidzwa kurwisa kuenderera mberi kwehuwandu hwevanhu mukati meFrance. Uye yakaunza nhevedzano yemaitiro matsva uye anonakidza, kusanganisira zano rekuva nemazuva akaronga ekuita kamwe pasvondo.
Chiito chimwe nechimwe chaizova Mugovera. Saka kamwe chete pasvondo paizove nezuva rakarongwa rekuita uye kuti raizokwira kuitira kusundidzira hutongi hweMacron kupinda… Pakutanga yaive pedyo nemutero wemafuta waifungidzirwa, kuitira kubvisa mutero wemafuta. Asi zvakabva zvawedzera kuita [French 00:00:02:49]. Zvakawanda zvinoda kudivi resangano kuti rigadzirise dambudziko rakakosha kwazvo munhoroondo ichangoburwa yeFrance, uye nenyaya kwete nhoroondo yazvino, ndiyo nzira iyo hutongi hweMacron hunonyorwa sehurumende yeFrance. vapfumi. Zvichireva kuti mizhinji yemitemo yake ndiyo inobatsira vapfumi zvakanyanya uye ine simba guru pahupenyu hwezuva nezuva hweavo vari muvarombo nepakati.
Nenzira dzakawanda zvino, kuramwa mabasa kuchangobva kuitika kwakatanga musi wa5 Zvita…Kunyangwe kusina kukura kubva mukufamba kweyellow vest, kunogona kuonekwa seimwe nguva yamutsidzirwa yekunetsana kwemapoka umo mubatanidzwa, kutanga ne masangano ezvitima uye [French 00:03:53], inova mubatanidzwa wedu wepasi pevhu, vakatora zvimwe zvinhu kubva kune yero vheti kurwa, mamwe maitiro, nezvimwe kuyedza kumanikidza ruoko rwehurumende yeMacron kuti iite. hazvina kunyanya kuenderana nevapfumi nevapfumi. Uye panzvimbo pacho funga nezvehupenyu hweavo vari pazasi, kana kunyange vari pakati pematanho emagariro ehupfumi akamira mukati meFrance.
Greg Wilpert: Zvino ini ndanga ndiri muParis, panguva yezororo uye ndakazvionera kurohwa chaiko, izvo zvaireva kufamba kwakawanda uye kutora mabhazi akazara vanhu. Zvino zvinhu zviviri zvakandimirira. Chekutanga, mwero wekuti vashandi veParisians vakatora danho iri, kazhinji vachipomera Mutungamiri Macron mhosva yekukanganisa. Uye chechipiri, avo vakabvunza kuramwa kwacho vakapokana kuti France ine nyika yerubatsiro iri nani uye kushomeka kusaenzana kupfuura nyika zhinji dzepasi, uye kuti France inofanirwa kujairana nemamiriro epasirese umo munhu wese ane nyika dzisina kusimba uye kusaenzana. Unoitei nemakakatanwa akadai anoita seabata pakati peavo vari kupikisa kuramwa mabasa muFrance?
Gabriel R.: Zvakanaka, maererano nepfungwa yako yekutanga, imwe yesarudzo dzichangoburwa dzakaitwa naHarris Interactive yeRTL uye AEF Info muFrance, inoona kuti 60% yehuwandu inotsigira kuramwa panguva yazvino. Uye saka ndinofunga kuti ichiri ruzhinji rwevanhu vekuFrance vanotsigira. Nezve gakava rekuti hurongwa hweFrance neimwe nzira iri nani kana ichienzaniswa neyakajairwa neoliberal kurwiswa pasocial services pasi rose iri kuyedza kudzika mbichana. Uye igakava riri munzira dzakawanda nderekufarirwa nevaya neoliberal technocrats avo vava kuisa ajenda yeneoliberal globalization. Zvave zvakadaro, kwemakumi emakore ikozvino. Izvo zvinosanganisira, hongu, yekugovera hupfumi kumusoro uye kuisa mutoro webasa revanhu kumisana yevashandi.
Saka pachinzvimbo chekuratidza France seimwe nzira yakasarudzika inofanirwa kudzoserwa pasi kuitira kuti ienderane nekurwiswa kwepasi rose neoliberal pamasevhisi emagariro, ndinofunga kuti isu tinofanira kuita zvinopesana. Uye izvo ndezvekuti isu tinofanirwa kubvunza nzira idzo neoliberal kudyidzana kwepasi rose kwakanyatso kurongedza nzira yepamusoro-pasi yehondo yekirasi yakave nemhedzisiro yakakura. Ndinoziva kuti imwe yeongororo yazvino yakaratidza kuti varume vasere, varume vasere vega, vane makumi mashanu muzana ehupfumi hwenyika. Muhurongwa hwakadai, ndinofunga kuti zvakakosha kufunga uye kuita hupfumi, hupfumi hwemagariro.
Greg Wilpert: Iye zvino izvi zvinechekuita neimwe pfungwa yawakataura muchinyorwa chako cheCounterPunch, chinova chekuti munhu anofanirwawo kuona kuramwa kwacho sechiratidzo chedambudziko rekutendeseka kweneoliberalism. Taura nesu pamusoro pezvauri kureva nazvo.
Gabriel R.: Zvakanaka, dambudziko rekuvimbika rinoda kunzwisiswa maererano nenzira iyo neoliberal globalization, hongu, kudzokera ku70's, asi kunyatsotora simba rakazara muma80's uye 90's chave chiri chirongwa chekudyidzana kwepasi rose. , kuisa hupfumi nemari, uye kushandisa izvo zvinonzi matanho ekuomesera. Asi chii chingave chakanyatsokodzera, nekuti austerity ndeye euphemism, sechimiro chepamusoro-pasi kirasi hondo. Uye kuti kurwiswa uku kwakonzera mhedzisiro yatinoziva pasi rose. Zvichireva kuti capitalist system izvozvi… Uye izvi zvinoenderana neongororo yeOxfam. Chikamu chimwe kubva muzana chehuwandu hwepasi rose chinodzora hafu yehupfumi. Uye saka zviri mukati meichi chinyorwa chandinofunga kuti isu tinofanirwa kunzwisisa zvese zviri zviviri yero vheti kufamba uye ichangoburwa yekuunganidza mukati meFrance. Nekuti zviri kuitika muFrance chikamu chedambudziko rakakura renyika. Uye ndiko kukanganisika pakati pekuedza kupembedza kuve kwechokwadi kwehurumende dzeneoliberal uku panguva imwe chete ichiparadza mamiriro ezvinhu ekugoneka kweiyo pamutemo pakati pehuwandu hwevanhu.
Greg Wilpert: Zvino ndinoreva, pane zvakajeka nyaya yekuvimbika iyi. Ndinoreva, nenyaya yekuti vanhu vari kuenda kumigwagwa vachirova. Asi ini ndinofunga zvinomutsawo mubvunzo, kana dambudziko rekuvimbika rakakwana kupikisa neoliberalism apo neoliberalism yakadzikwa zvakanyanya. Ndinoreva, ndataura izvi zvakare mune mamwe mabvunzurudzo andakaita. Bhuku rakanyorwa naColin Crouch rakadaidzwa kuti The Strange Non-Death of Neoliberalism umo anonyanya kuita gakava rekuti rakarongwa uye kuti hazvinei nekuve pamutemo. Kuti yave yakamisikidzwa muWorld Bank, IMF, WTO, uye kunyangwe kune imwe nhanho mutsika yakakurumbira, uyezve nzira iyo vanhu vanofunga padanho remazuva ese nezve mabatiro avanoita kune mumwe nemumwe. Saka kana isingade hunhu hwakadaro, unofungei? Ndinoreva kuti, kuramwa uku kuchave nemhedzisiro munguva refu here?
Gabriel R.: Ini ndinofunga iwo mubvunzo wakanaka, nekuti ndinobvuma kuti neoliberalism yakaitwa pasi rose uye izvo zvinonzi nevamwe vanhu senyika yepasirese. Rudyi? Uye masangano aya anotonga chaizvo hupfumi hwenyika dzemuno. Panguva imwecheteyo, mukati menyika yakaita seFrance, kune yakasununguka facade yekuchengetedza chimwe chinhu senge mumiriri wedemocracy, uye chishuwo chevatekinoroji vari kutonga capital capital yepasirese kuti vagadzire chitarisiko chekuti zvavari. kuita kwakanakira vazhinji. Ikozvino, kunyangwe iko pamutemo ndingabvuma, hazvisi izvo zvinodikanwa kuti vasundire kuburikidza nematongerwo avo nezvirongwa, sezvatakaona kakawanda munguva yakapfuura, uye isu tiri kuona izvozvi muFrance. Iko kune zvisinei mwero mudiki wekuvimbika uye hwaro hwezvinhu zverutsigiro rwehuwandu hwevanhu hunodiwa kuti tisave nekudzika kwehupfumi hwenyika.
Uye ndicho chimwe chezvinhu zvinonyanya kufadza pane zviri kuitika muFrance izvozvi, ndezvekuti pave nekukwira chaiko muhunhu hwekunetsana. Uye zviri kuratidzwa ndezvekuti vashandi vachiri kudzora hupfumi mukati meFrance, network yekufambisa, nezvimwewo. Uye kuti kana pasina hushoma hwaro hwehupenyu hwavo, vanogona kuenda kumigwagwa uye vanogona kuvhara nyika. Uye saka vane simba chairo.
Greg Wilpert: Zvauri kutaura zvinosimudzawo mubvunzo… Kana kuve kwechokwadi kuchidiwa, zvinomutsawo mubvunzo wekuti hurumende iri kuita sei nedambudziko iri. Uye ndiri kunyanya kufunga kuti zviri kuita sei, kwete chete maererano neaya maminiti abvumiranwa, asiwo maererano nemaitiro emapurisa pakuratidzira nekuramwa mabasa. Chii chaungatiudze nezve zviri kuitika muFrance parizvino?
Gabriel R.: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti France iri kumucheto kweimwe nzira yekutonga pasi pepasi rose capitalism, neoliberal capitalism. Uye ndiko kubatanidza, panguva imwe chete, nhandare yezvematongerwo enyika inoedza kunyengedza ruzhinji rwevanhu kuti vatende kuti hurumende ine zvavanofarira mupfungwa uye rudzi rwehutongi hwehutongi hwekushandiswa kwechisimba chakanyanya kune vanopikisa kuitira vatye, vashaye simba, uye kuparadza mukana wekuronga pamwe chete. Uye saka Debbie Gouffran, mutori wenhau pakati pevamwe vakadzidza nezvemhirizhonga yemapurisa, akaona kuti paive nevanhu zviuru zvina vakakuvara muna 4,000. Uye zviuru zviviri nemazana mashanu vavo vaive varatidziri. Izvo zvinokupa imwe pfungwa yechiyero. Asi zvino izvi zvinosanganisira 2019 kukuvara kwemusoro. Vanhu makumi maviri nevashanu varasa maziso. Vanhu vanosvika vashanu varasikirwa nemaoko. Uye munhu mumwe chete akafa. Uye saka iwe unoona kusanganiswa uku kwekugadzira feeder yezvematongerwo enyika, panguva imwechete ichisunungura simba rakazara rehudzvanyiriri hwehurumende midziyo kune vanopikisa kuitira kuedza kuparadza simba rakakurumbira uye kufamba kwevanhu kubva pasi.
Greg Wilpert: Zvakanaka pane icho chinyorwa, tichachisiya ipapo izvozvi. Ndanga ndichitaura naGabriel Rockhill, Associate Purofesa wePhilosophy paVillanova University uye muvambi weCritical Theory Workshop muParis. Ndatenda, Gabriel, nekubatana nesu nhasi.
Gabriel R.: Maita basa nekundiitisa.
Greg Wilpert: Uye ndinokutendai nekujoinha Iyo Real News Network.
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