Kunobva: The Analysis
Mhoroi, ndini Paul Jay. Kugamuchirwa kuNhau dzeAnalysis, uye izvi zvichave chikamu chechipiri neMedea Benjamin.
Saka iyi inhaurirano yekutevera pane imwe yekubvunzurudzwa kwangu naMedea Benjamin, uye handisi kuzoita sumo refu zvakare, asi heino Medea uye ndiye muvambi weCode Pink uye munyori we, chii, mana. kana kuti mabhuku mashanu ezvemitemo yokune dzimwe nyika.
Ndatenda nekubatana neni zvakare, Medea.
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka kuva newe Pauro.
Paul Jay
Saka makore mashoma apfuura, ndinotenda wanga uripo, paive nePeople's Summit yakaitirwa muChicago. Bernie Sanders akataura, mubatanidzwa wevanamukoti wakazvironga, uye pakanga paine zvikamu nemhando dzese dzemisoro, uye ini ndinorangarira kuti isu tine hanya nezveizvi taitaura kune mumwe nemumwe uye tichiti, batai, iripi chikamu chemutemo wekunze? Uye pakanga pasina mumwe.
Zvino, zvinonakidza kuti apo Biden naSanders vaive nemapoka ekushanda aya, pakanga pasina boka rekushanda pamitemo yekunze pamberi pesarudzo. Zvichida nokuti pakanga pane misiyano yakadaro pamitemo yekunze, vakafunga kuti havangagoni kuungana kana kuti hapana ane hanya?
Handizive, asi, iwe nemumwe wako muhutsotsi, Jody Evans neCode Pink vakadzi nevamwe vashoma vanga vakazvitsaurira varwi vebato rinopesana nehondo muUnited States, asi yave nguva yakati rebei, pamwe kubvira. kuratidzira kukuru kunopesana nehondo yeIraq, kuti kwave kune yakawanda yesangano rekurwisa hondo muUnited States.
Uye ndakataura izvi mubvunzurudzo rimwe zuva uye mumwe munhu akanyora paYouTube, handizive chasara iwe uchitaura nezvekuruboshwe ini ndinoziva, isu tese tinofarira mutemo wekunze. Zvakanaka, hongu, asi, mukomana, hazvina zvakawanda. Saka kana uchibvumirana nepfungwa iyoyo, nei?
Medea Benjamin
Ndinofunga kuti zvakaoma uye pamwe tinogona kuongorora dzimwe nzvimbo dzakasiyana-siyana, takanga tine simba rakasimba rekurwisana nehondo. Zvakanaka, ndakura zvakakwana kuti ndirangarire kufamba kwekurwisa-hondo kwemazuva eVietnam. Ndiko kwandakatanga, uye izvo zvaive nekuti paive nekunyorwa, uye kana iwe uine dhizaini, iwe une anti-hondo bato rine vechidiki vazhinji uye rakawanda simba kwariri. Kupera kwechinyorwa chakaita zvakawanda kupedzisa anti-war movement.
Hondo yeIraq yakagadzira bato rinopesana nehondo, uye takava nekuratidzira kwakati nemazana ezviuru zvevanhu kunze mumigwagwa. Zvino Obama paakapinda, bato rekurwisa hondo rakaparara, uye ndinofunga kuti zvikonzero zvakati wandei.
Paul Jay
Ndingabvunza mubvunzo usati waenda ikoko?
Medea Benjamin
Hongu.
Paul Jay
Hamuna kubuda pachena here Obama asati apinda? Yakawanda sei yebato rinopesana nehondo raive mugore kana maviri Obama asati asarudzwa?
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka, hondo payakatanga kuenderera mberi, kunowedzera kushoma kwesangano rekurwisa hondo, asi ndingati takanga tichiri kukwanisa kuunganidza vanhu. Takanga tichine mapoka maduku munyika yose. Code Pink ichine zvitsauko zvakatenderedza. Saka ndingati pachine bato rinopesana nehondo, zvechokwadi risina kusimba sepaunofunga kuti unogona kumisa hondo, uye kunyanya kana vanhu vaora mwoyo, nokuti nebasa rose ratakaita kumisa hondo muIraq, hatina. regai kumisa hondo iyoyo.
Saka wataura chokwadi, yanga iri shoma pane yakare, asi ndichiri kutaura kuti pakanga paine bato rinopesana nehondo.
Paul Jay
Uye chikonzero chandinoita pfungwa ndechekuti vamwe vanhu vaipokana, kunyangwe zvimwe zvandisina chokwadi kuti zvakasiiwa, asi ivo vanozvifunga sevakasiiwa, kuti zviri nani kuti Trump adzoke zvakare nekuti pane mukana we anti-war movement. Zvakanaka, chekutanga pane zvese, ini handina kuona chero hombe yekurwisa-hondo mukati memakore mana ekutanga aTrump, uye nguva yekupedzisira paive neyakagadzikana anti-hondo bato raive chairo apo maDemocrat aive nesimba, uye ndiyo Vietnam. Hondo. Zvino, hongu, pakanga paine dhizaini, asi hazvina kufanana kana maRepublicans arimo mune imwe yakagadzikana yekurwisa-hondo kufamba iri kuitika. Saka, zvakadaro, enderera.
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka, ngatirangarirei kuti kune 50,000 veAmerica vakarasikirwa nehupenyu hwavo muVietnam, uye masimba anonzwisiswa kuti kune dzimwe nzira dzekuita hondo. Haufanire kuve negwara. Iwe unogona kuzviita zvakawanda kuburikidza nemhepo-simba. Iwe unoda kuderedza kukuvadzwa kwevaAmerica. Iwe unogona kunyange ikozvino high tech, ita kuti vagare mumacheya eergonomic, mumakamuri ane air-conditioned, uye kudzvanya mabhatani kuuraya vanhu kuburikidza nemadrones. Muchokwadi General Atomics, mugadziri we drone, achangozvirova dundundu svondo rino nezvekuti ungaite sei kurova drone palaptop yako. Iwe haudi chero clunky mhando yekudzora michina.
Saka hondo dzachinja uye kune kwakawanda chibvumirano, akawanda ega makondirakiti, uye kune akawanda ehondo dzeproxy kwatinobhadhara vamwe vanhu kuti vaende kuhondo kwatiri. Saka nzira dzekuenda kuhondo dzachinja kana usingaone vanhu vekuAmerica vachidzoka vari mumabhegi emuviri, uye rangarira, chaizvo, muhondo yeIraq, zvaive zvisiri pamutemo kutora maAmerican mapikicha vachidzoka mumakasiketi avo akavharirwa mureza vachiuya muDover.
Saka ini ndinofunga nzira dzekurwa hondo dzine kushoma kwavanodaidza kuti ndinovenga izwi, asi ganda mumutambo, vanhu vashoma vanotambura nazvo, uye izvo zvinodzikisira huwandu hwevanhu vanozobatanidzwa. Ndakataura kuti ndainzwa kuti sangano rekurwisana nehondo rakaputika apo Obama akapinda nokuti vanhu vakanga vasingadi kupikisa mutungamiri wekutanga wechitema. Vaifungawo kuti aizotibudisa muhondo. Zvirinani akavimbisa kutiburitsa muhondo muIraq.
Ipapo pakanga pane dzimwe nhau dzakava dzokukurumidzira zvikuru. Takanga tiri pakati pedambudziko remari. Vadzidzi vakanga vachirasikirwa nokukwanisa kwavo kuenda kukoreji uye vanhu vakanga vachirasikirwa nedzimba dzavo, uye kwakanga kune nyongano huru yezvemari. Zvino nekufamba kwenguva, sangano rezvakatipoteredza rakatora uye vazhinji vechidiki vangadai vakambopinda mukurwisana nehondo vakaona kukurumidza kutarisana nemamiriro ekunze, uye takarasikirwa neCode Pink yakawanda. vanhu vakasarudza kuti nyaya dzemamiriro ekunze dzaive dzekukurumidzira uyezve hondo dzakangove chikamu cheruzha rwekumashure.
Mushure mekunge mava nehondo kweanopfuura makore gumi ari kuitika kune vechidiki, ndizvo chete zvakaita US. Inorwa hondo uye inomira kuvharwa nevezvenhau. Saka hauzive kuti hondo idzi dzichiripo. Saka izvo ndizvo zvimwe zvezvikonzero uye ndine chokwadi kuti kune zvimwe, asi isu takanzwa kuoma kwekuvaka kudzoreredza bato rinopesana nehondo kubvira mazuva akapinda Obama.
Paul Jay
Uye chimwe chezvinhu zvakapfuurawo munzira, uye izvi hazvina kubatana zvakananga naObama nekuti zvakamboitika, asi sezvatakataura nezvazvo mubvunzurudzo yekutanga, hapana kufamba kunopesana nehondo yenyukireya, yekuderedza zvombo zvenyukireya. .
Pfungwa iyi yekuti haisi yekutyisidzira nekuti "Cold War" yapera, nekuti vane imwe nyowani iri kuenda neRussia neChina izvozvi, asi vanhu havawane kuti tave pedyo sei nekuparadzwa kwenyukireya. Vanhu vazhinji vandakataura navo, kusanganisira Daniel Ellsberg, vanoziva nyaya iyi, havatendi kuti mubvunzo wekuti pachava nehondo yenyukireya.
Ndezvekuti rinhi. Kuti hazvidzivisike zvakanyanya zvombo zvauinazvo, uye kunyangwe zvikaitika netsaona, zvinokwanisika kutangwa netsaona pane nemaune, asi kutyisidzira ndekwechokwadi, asi hapana kana kufamba, chero kupi zvako. Pane zvishoma, asi kwete pane chero chikero chinopaza kuburikidza nekufambira mberi kuziva.
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka, kune bato repasi rose rekugumisa zvombo zvenyukireya, uye izvo zvine simba mune dzimwe nyika muUnited States hazvisi.
Paul Jay
Rega ndiwedzerewo Canada. Iko hakuna pipsqueak muCanada.
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka, ini ndinofunga chikamu chedambudziko uye izvi zvine hukama neiyo yakakura anti-hondo kufamba ndeyekuti unorwisa sei zvombo zvenyukireya? Iwe unorwisa sei mauto-industrial complex, kunyanya kune vechidiki vanoda kuona migumisiro yebasa ravo muupenyu hwavo? Kana iwe ukavapa sarudzo, unoda kurwisa zvombo zvenyukireya here kana kuti unoda kuwana zvikepe zvemagetsi muyunivhesiti yako?
Kana iwe unoda kuwana dhorobha rako kuti ribatsire kupa simba rezuva? Chii chavachasarudza? Chimwe chinhu chiri chokwadi, chinobatika, chavanogona kuti, wow, ndakabatsira kuita izvi, kana chimwe chinhu chiri kuzotora makumi emakore akawanda uye unogona kusamboona mhedzisiro uye unogona kurasikirwa.
Paul Jay
Zvakanaka, iwe unogona kutaura izvozvo nezve chero chinhu, asi ndinofunga chikamu chekukundikana kweiyo, uye ini ndinozvibatanidza mune izvi nekuti kubva chete ndanga ndichitaura naEllsberg kuti ndakatarisa pane izvi, asi pane zvimwe zvakanyanya. konkriti zvinhu. Semuenzaniso, kudzikisa zvakanyanya kana kubvisa zvikepe zveICBMs. Vane ngozi zvikuru. Vanogona kuenda netsaona. Ivo havana basa rehondo chairo uye vanodhura mari isingaite uye pane kumwe kuwedzera kuri kuitika kweICBMs. Dzimwe dzenyaya, dzinogona kunge dzakanyatsojeka. Senge, semuenzaniso, ingangoita United States inogona kutaura kuti havazove nekutanga kuramwa mukana. Ingozvibvisa patafura. Asi zvakare chikamu chekushaya simba kwesangano rekurwisa hondo kuti nyaya iyi isanyanya kutariswa.
Medea Benjamin
Hongu, uye vanhu havana kudzidziswa nezve nyaya nevezvenhau, haumbonzwa nezve izvi, uye saka hazvipinde mukuziva kwevanhu, uye hatina kumbove nechombo chenyukireya chakashandiswa kubva panguva yeHondo Yenyika Yechipiri. . Saka hachisi chinhu chiri pakarepo mupfungwa dzevanhu, uye chizvarwa ichocho chiri kufa. Zvakadaro. Kune rumwe rutivi, Trump paaiva nesimba, kwakangoerekana kwave nekufarira kwakawanda kwakatenderedza nyaya yekutanga yekushandisa uye kuyedza kumisa Trump kuti asave nekugona, kutora, kuisa munwe wake pabhatani renyukireya.
Kune akawanda maDemocrats anonzwa akasununguka zvakanyanya nezvazvo kana iri Democrat iri musimba, izvo zvavasingafanire kunge vari, asi isu takave nekuwanda kwekuita pasi paTrump pamusoro penyaya iyoyo.
Paul Jay
Uye regai ndingonongedza zvinhu zviviri zvandakadzidza kubva mukutaura naDaniel Ellsberg. Nhamba yekutanga, pane pamwe mazana akati wandei vanhu vane zvigunwe zvavo pamabhatani enyukireya. Haasi purezidhendi chete. Ndiyo ngano yese iyoyo. Chinhu ichi, sutukesi inotakurwa nemutungamiri wenyika uye ndiye ega anogona kuzviita. Chiremera chakapihwa kune vakawanda, vanhu vazhinji, uye saka chiitiko muna Dr. Strangelove chemumwe mukomana anopenga ari pamusoro penzvimbo yenyukireya achikwanisa kuburitsa ichokwadi.
Pane vanhu vari kulevel yake vaigona kutanga. Ndicho chikamu chechikonzero nei mamiriro ezvinhu aya ane ngozi, uye chimwe chinhu ndechokuti zvombo zvenyukireya zvakashandiswa kubvira Hondo Yenyika II sekutyisidzira.
Uye ndinokurudzira munhu wese kuti averenge bhuku raEllsberg reDoomsday Machine nekuti anofamba nemienzaniso yakasiyana yenguva kubva kuReagan pane uko kutyisidzira kwekushandisa zvombo zvenyukireya kwave kuri chikamu cheAmerican mutemo wekune dzimwe nyika mumashoko chaiwo chaiwo, kwete kungofanana nekubvisa. Saka tinoita sei nezvazvo?
Chikonzero chandinofunga kuti zvombo zvenyukireya zvimwe chimwe chinhu chinogona kugonesa vanhu kana vakawana njodzi senge dhizaini. Inobata zvakananga hupenyu hwevanhu kana iwe ukawana kubatana. Kwenguva yakareba, shanduko yemamiriro ekunze yaive yekusanzwisisa, uye ini ndoziva kuti hondo yenyukireya inoita senge nhanho, asi hachisi chinhu chakajeka nezvazvo.
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka, ini ndinofunga iine kongiri zvishoma kana tichitaura maererano nemari iri kushandiswa uye uko mari inoda kuenda, uye ndinofunga denda rakaisa izvo mukutarisa kukuru kuti vanhu vanzwisise kuti kutyisidzira kuUnited States. havasi kubva kunze kwenyika. Vari kubva kumba, uye kwete denda chete. Iro bato revachena ratinoona kwete chete kuyedza kutora guta guru, asi mukuuraya uku kunoitika nguva nenguva, uye vanhu vazhinji vanonzwisisa dambudziko remamiriro ekunze.
Ini ndinofunga pasi pehutongi hweBush, isu tine vamwe vanhu vakanaka muhurumende iye zvino vane hanya chaizvo nenyaya idzodzo uye tinogona kuona kufambira mberi chaiko. Zvese izvi zvinoreva kuti mari pane imwe nguva inofanirwa kuverengerwa. Iwe haugone kuve neaya matrillion-dollar covid zvekuyamura mapakeji uye usamboti, zvakanaka, zvakanaka, ikozvino bhiri rinouya riini? Uye gore rega rega, chokwadi chekuti isu tinoshandisa mari inosvika bhiriyoni yemadhora mubhajeti rePentagon pamwe nezvimwe zvinodhura senge zvombo zvenyukireya izvo zvisiri kubuda mubhajeti rePentagon, asi zvichibva kusimba, kuti kune kwakawanda kufona kwekuchinja mari. .
Takavhota gore rakapera kuti ticheke bhajeti remauto nezvikamu gumi kubva muzana. Kare, tingadai takawana vane chitsama che congress. Panguva ino takawana vanopfuura 10. Pari zvino pane dare remakurukota muCongress rinonzi Defence Spending Reduction Caucus kuyedza kuburitsa nyaya iyi. Paingova nenhengo makumi mana dzeCongress dzakanyora tsamba kuna Biden nezvenyaya iyi bhajeti rake risati rabuda, uye isu veCode Pink tiri chikamu chemubatanidzwa wanga uchivaka uye uchidzika munharaunda, uchiita kuti vape zvisungo, vachidana kuti paitwe sarudzo. kutamiswa kwemari nekubatana neveBlack Lives Matter nevamwe vachiti bvisa mari mumapazi emapurisa tobvisa mari muchiuto toipinza mune zvatinoda chaizvo pano pamusha.
Saka ndinofunga kuti pane imwe nzvimbo yatingawana simba rekuti tine zvikwata zvakaita sePoor People's Campaign zvakaisa pamberi pamwe chete nerusaruraganda, hurombo, mauto, uye mamiriro ekunze, senyaya ina dzatinofanira kuona dzichipindirana. yakatarisana nayo, saka ndine tariro kuti ndiyo nzira yatinogona kushandisa kuti tisavake bato rinopesana nehondo richabuda mumigwagwa, toti, kudzosa mauto kubva kuIraq kana Afghanistan, asi ari kuenda. taura kuti chinja pfungwa yeUS yekune dzimwe nyika mutemo kubva kune zvechiuto uye kutarisana nenyaya chaidzo dzekuchengetedzwa kwenyika dzinotibata nhasi.
Paul Jay
Uye regai ndingowedzera kune izvozvo, nepo panofanirwa kuve neshanduko yevashandi vemafuta emafuta kune hupfumi hwakasvibirira, uye ndinofunga uye handisi kana kunzwisisa kuti sei Biden anga asiri kutaura nezvazvo, nekuti kunyangwe musarudzo dzakachena. maererano, zvingava zvakanaka kwavari. Vanofanira kungovimbisa vashandi vemafuta ezvicherwa kuti hausi kuzorasikirwa nemuhoro kana ukaenda ukatanga kuvaka mahwindi uye mihoro yemhepo haina kukwira semihoro yemarasha tobva tagadzirisa mutsauko, asi ndinofunga ivo vanofanirwa kuita zvimwe chete. chinhu mukugadzira zvombo. Vanofanira kutaura kuti tichashandura kugadzira zvombo sechikamu chechirongwa chekugadzira girini kugadzira zvivakwa zvakasvibirira, ingave mamhepo emhepo kana solar panel kana retrofitting, asi taura chinhu chimwe chete kune vashandi muindasitiri yekugadzira zvombo, izvo zvichave. kungochinja kubva pakugadzira maoko kwakawanda uye hausi kuzorasikirwa nemubairo, asi ini handisati ndanzwa izvozvo kubva kune ino manejimendi.
Medea Benjamin
Nekuti ivo havasi kutaura nezvekucheka Pentagon bhajeti zvachose. Ini ndinofunga, zvakadaro, kuti kune dzimwe nzvimbo uko zvingave zvakaoma kukwikwidza nePentagon maererano nemuhoro nekuti yakabuda kubva muchikamu chevanhu. Ndinorangarira ndichisangana nevanogadzira michina vakati, rombo rakanaka, sweetie, mukuedza kuve nekutendeuka uku. Vazhinji venhengo dzedu dzemubatanidzwa vanoenda pamudyandigere semamirioni. Ivo vanowana masheya mumakambani, uye pandinoenda kumapato avo ekuenda pamudyandigere, unoona kuti imarii yavakaita muhupenyu hwavo hwose yakabatana nePentagon.
Paul Jay
Rudyi.
Medea Benjamin
Uye kana iwe uchitaura nevainjiniya vanoda kubhadhara zvikwereti zvavo uye vasingade kushandira Pentagon, ivo vanoti kwauri, chii chatinofanira kuita? Bato revanhu harina mari ingangoita iyo Pentagon inogona kukanda. Saka zvakati siyanei neindasitiri yemafuta emafuta nekuti maindasitiri akazvimirira ari kukwikwidza pamwe nemumwe, asi panofanirwa kuve nekudzika kweimwe purofiti yakakura yakaitwa muPentagon makondirakiti.
Paul Jay
Asi icho chinhu chakasiyana kwazvo. purofiti nemuhoro hazvisi chinhu chimwe. Uye ndinoziva kuti mihoro yakakwira, asi kana ukatarisa huwandu chaihwo hwevanhu vari pamutengo wakakwirira, semakanika mukati, kwete pamazinga epamusoro, hazvisi kuti vanhu vazhinji handizivi nhamba, asi chokwadi havasi vanhu vakawanda kudaro. Hazvaizoda mari yakawanda kudaro kuramba uchivabhadhara zvavanenge vachiwana uye wongoti, OK, unongowana zvawanga uchiwana.
Medea Benjamin
Hongu, ndiri kungotaura, hongu, pamatunhu akakwirira, ivo vachangofanira kunge vari kucheka kwakakosha, asi kune vashandi vasingatengi mumasheya mumakambani. Hongu, uye kune mienzaniso yakatoitwa pakave nekushandurwa kwekutanga muUnited States, uye saka iyo nzira yekuita izvozvo, takaona mu70s uye 80s panguva yekuwanda kwekutendeuka ikoko, uye. zvinogona kuitika zvakare.
Panofanira kunge paine kuda kwezvematongerwo enyika kuita izvozvo, uye sezvawataura, hatisati tazviona kubva kuhutongi hweBiden, asi ndinofunga tinoita sesangano rerunyararo riri kuzvivaka patsva, isu tine mukana wakawanda wekuita. kuita hutongi hweBiden kupfuura hutongi hwaTrump, uye izvo zvinondipa tariro yakawanda, nekuti mukati memakore aTrump, hazvina kungonetsa kuvaka bato rinopesana nehondo, asi vanhu vaiti, isu tiri vanaani. kuzofurira? Isu hatina shamwari muWhite House uye ikozvino tave nayo. Saka ini ndinofunga kuti pane zvimwe zvinogoneka pasi pehutongi uhu neThe Squad yatinayo muCongress.
Paul Jay
Zvakanaka, regai ndibvunze nezve The Squad uye chandinodaidza kuruboshwe-Progressives muCongress, nekuti vazhinji venhengo dzeProgressive Caucus havawanzo kufambira mberi. Asi vari kuita sei panyaya dzekunze kwenyika?
Medea Benjamin
Havana kunyanya kutarisisa mutemo wekunze kwenyika. Ilhan Omar akanaka uye akaunza mitemo yakawanda, asi haina kuenda kure nekuti haina rutsigiro rweProgressive Caucus yese, asi anga akanaka pane izvi. Rashida Tlaib anga akanaka kwazvo pane dzimwe nyaya, senge nyaya dzine chekuita nePalestine. AOC pachayo haina kupindira zvakanyanya munyaya dzezvekune dzimwe nyika, asi kana vanayo, kunze kweVenezuela, yanga yakanaka, yanga isina kunyatsonaka paIsrael-Palestine, asi iyo inogara yakaoma.
Paul Jay
Batisisa, usamurega achisiya chirauro paIsrael-Palestine. Rekodhi rake nderei?
Medea Benjamin
Kwete, hatisi kumurega achisiya chirauro. Zvakanaka rekodhi yake ndeyekuti achasaina kune zvimwe zvezvinhu zviri nyore, segwaro rinotsigira kuti vana vasatongerwe mumatare echiuto uye vavharirwe mumajeri emauto, asi hapana chaanotanga, uye zvakaoma kuti aite. tarisisa nyaya dzemitemo yekunze mune zvese. Ndiri kureva kuti akangwara anozviziva kuti kwaanowana rutsigiro kubva kuruzhinji rwevanhu kune nyaya dzemumba. Saka zvanga zvakaoma.
Nekune rimwe divi, ndinofunga mumwe munhu akaita saJamal Bowman, akatora chigaro paive neDemocrat yakakosha zvakanyanya maererano nepesvedzero yake munyaya dzepamba, chikamu chedanidziro yake yaive yekuchinja mutemo wekunze, uye anga akanaka kwazvo. Kune vanhu vakaita saMarie Newman, nhengo itsva yeChikwata ichi chakawedzera, uyo chimwe chezvinhu zvekutanga zvaakaita kwaive kutaura achipokana nemaIsrael kusapa majekiseni kune maPalestine, uye chaive chinhu chakashinga kuita senhengo itsva. yeCongress.
Saka ini ndinofunga isu tine mikana neThe Squad, uye ndinofunga kuti Progressive Caucus, ikozvino iri pasi pePramila Jayapal ichawedzera zvakanyanya pamusoro pezvinoreva kuve nhengo yeProgressive Caucus, uye ivo vachave kubvumirana nevanofambira mberi pane chimwe chikamu chemavhoti kuitira kuti varambe vari muProgressive Caucus, uye zvechokwadi, pachave nenhamba yadzo inobata nemutemo wekunze.
Paul Jay
Uye Bernie ari kuita sei? Kufunga kwake pamusoro peIsrael-Palestine kwakaratidzika kuva kushanduka nekufamba kwemakore. Paakagadza Cornel West kudare repuratifomu kumashure apo. Zvainakidza nekuti Cornell akatora yakasimba, yeDemocratic Party, yakasimba kumira pakodzero dzePalestine.
Anoitawo kunge awana zvakawanda kubva mukufunga kweCold War. Ndinoziva Sanders aigara achitaura nezveNATO mune zvakanaka. Handina chokwadi chekuti achiri kudaro, asi unoongorora sei maSanders pane izvi?
Medea Benjamin
Zvakanaka, iyewo, anonyanya kutarisisa nezvenyaya dzemumba, asi zvaakaita padanho rekune dzimwe nyika rave rimwe rebasa rakanakisa muSeneti. Taivimba naye zvakanyanya kuti aunze zvisungo zvemasimba ehondo kurwisa kubatanidzwa kweUS muhondo muYemen, uye aitsoropodza mukuita izvozvo uye achimanikidza kuti zvipfuure nedzimba mbiri dzeCongress, izvo zvinoshamisa. Anga akanaka kwazvo panyaya yekudzokera muchibvumirano chenyukireya cheIran.
Ndinorangarira mushure mekunge mushandirapamwe wapera, izvo zvanyanya kushata, akaita hurukuro huru yekune dzimwe nyika umo akatarisisa zvakanyanya kuIran uye akataura nezve nhoroondo yeUS yekupidigura Mossadeq uye kuti US inobata sei izvo Iran nhasi. Saka ndinofunga anga ari mumwe wemaseneta akanakisa maererano nemutemo wekunze, uye ari kubatanidzwa kuburikidza neChimurenga Chedu, sangano riya neProgressive International sangano repasi rose riri kuedza kusundidzira mitemo yekunze inofambira mberi.
Asi ndiye anoona nezveBudget Committee ine simba kwazvo inobata nyaya dziri kuno kumusha dzekuti ndiani achawana madhora ekuUS, uye ari kupengeswa zvakanyanya nenyaya dzakakosha zvakadaro. Tinoda vamwe vanhu vakaita saChris Murphy nevamwe kuti vatore jasi, asi haagone here sachigaro weBudget Committee, kusimudza kunzwa kwakakomba nezvekudzikisa bhajeti rePentagon?
Hongu, uye tiri kutaura nevashandi vake nezvazvo. Haasi akakura pazvinhu zvebhajeti rePentagon sezvatinoda. Anotaura zvakazara nezve kuti inofanira kutemwa sei, asi hapana chaanoita, kunyangwe Elizabeth Warren panguva yemushandirapamwe aive akajeka kupfuura airatidza nzvimbo dzebhajeti rePentagon, senge mashandiro ekunze ekunze, ayo ari homwe yekurarisa yePentagon, yeiyo kutemwa.
Tiri kushanda nevamwe kuti titarise kuchekwa kwemabhesi ekunze uye kuti imarii yaigona kuchengetedzwa, uye kune ishoma yerutsigiro muUnited States inoda kuchengetedza akawanda mabhesi ekunze akavhurika. Saka tinofunga kuti inzvimbo yatinogona kufambira mberi. Saka ndinofunga kuti pane zvimwe zvakawanda zvingaitwe naBernie Sanders maererano nePentagon, uye chimwe chandinoda kutaura ndechekuti akatsigira kumisikidzwa kweF-35 mudunhu rake, uye ndicho chinhu chakanyanya. vemapoka emunharaunda vanga vachiedza kumukurudzira pamusoro uye vachipikisa mutemo wake pane izvozvo uye haana kumbochinja pfungwa dzake pane izvozvo.
Paul Jay
Zvakanaka, ndicho chikamu chechiri kumudzora panyaya iyi yese, rekodhi rake uye zvinomunetsa, quote-unquote, muVermont nezvekuchengeta chimedu chepai โโyemauto ipapo?
Medea Benjamin
Rudyi. Uye yaive nyaya inogara ichidzokera kunyaya yemabasa.
Paul Jay
Ndipo pandinodzokera kunyaya yangu yekutendeuka. Ingovimbisa vanhu mihoro yavo. Haisi mari yakawanda kudaro. Maitiro avari kugadzira mari, huwandu hwemari iyo Fed yanga ichisunda mumusika wemasheya kuti igadzire bubble rinosekesa. Ndakapfuura neizvi naBob Pollin, nyanzvi yezvehupfumi Bob Paul, kana iwe ukatarisa nhamba yevanhu vanobatanidzwa mumafuta emafuta muPennsylvania, zvingava zvishoma kuvavimbisa zvose kuti unochengeta mibairo yako yakafanana. Kunyangwe kana fossil mafuta ikabviswa muPennsylvania, haungarasikirwe nepeni
Handichayeuki nhamba dzacho. Izvo chaizvo haisi mari yakawanda kudaro, uye ndinofunga chinhu chimwe chete chingashanda.
Medea Benjamin
Uye Bob Pollin ndiye akaita zvidzidzo zvikuru zvinoratidza kuti mari yakaiswa muchiuto ndiyo yakaipisisa panyaya yekugadzira mabasa. Saka hazvisi zvekungoti mushandi wega wega anowana mari yakawanda sei, kuti mabasa mangani atiri kuvhura muhupfumi, uye chero chikamu chingavhura mamwe mabasa pane kuisa mari muchiuto.
Paul Jay
Ehe, kana ndichirangarira zvakanaka, yaive gumi kune imwe. Kana ukaisa dhora muchiuto uye dhora mudzidzo, unowana maungira egumi kune rimwe uchifarira dzidzo.
Medea Benjamin
Dzaive mbiri kune imwe.
Paul Jay
Vaviri kune imwe? Vaviri kune imwe. O, ndine urombo. Ndakafunga kuti dzaive gumi kwairi. Zvese zvakanaka. Vaviri kune imwe. Zvichiri zvakanaka. Zvese zvakanaka. Ndangariro yangu yakawedzera.
Zvakadaro, zvakanaka, ndiko kutanga kwehurukuro. Ngatiedze kuwedzera izvi zvakanyanya. Nyaya idzi dziripo. Kuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze kuriko, asi ndizvo zvakaitawo mauto uye hondo yenyukireya iripo. Ndinotenda nekubatana neni.
Medea Benjamin
Zvinoshamisa kutaura newe, uye ngativimbei nguva inotevera yatichataura tine bato rakafara uye rine simba rekurwisa hondo.
Paul Jay
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