They ndivo thrasher, punk, uye vezvematongerwo enyika. Neanoda kusvika makore makumi maviri pamutambo wemimhanzi, Canadian punk rock band Propagandhi yakazviitira zvinopfuura zita remumhanzi chete. Propagandhi yasvika kure mune zvematongerwo enyika uye nehunyanzvi kubvira payakaumba bhendi pakati pemakore ekuma20, Chris Hanahh paakatumira chiziviso ichi: "bhendi rinofambira mberi rekutsvaga bassist" muchitoro cheko rekodhi. Nhengo dzebhendi - muimbi/gitare Hanahh, mutambi webhesi Todd Kowalski, uye mutambi wengoma Jord Samolesky vakafunga kuisa bhendi pabasa rekuchinja munharaunda, izvo zvakakurudzira mazwi avo, zviratidziro zvinobatsira, uye basa rekuzvipira mutaundi rekumusha kwavo reWinnipeg, Ontario. .
Bhendi rakatanga rwendo rwavo rwekutanga kuburikidza neLatin America muna Gumiguru. Ndichiri kuBuenos Aires, Propagandhi akagara paBAUEN Hotel, yanga iri pasi pevashandi kwemakore mana apfuura mukati meguta. Nechido chekugara muhotera yenyaya gumi nemapfumbamwe pasina mukuru kana muridzi, vakabvunza mibvunzo yemarudzi ese nezvekuti cooperative yakarongwa sei. Mizhinji yemibvunzo yakadzikwa muruzivo rwavo pachavo kuzvitungamira bhendi uye rekodhi rekodhi, G19 Welcoming Committee. Nguva refu Parecon [Participatory Economics] vamiriri uye Z vaverengi, Hanahh naKowalski vakagara pasi pasi peBAUEN Hotel, pahofisi yevhidhiyo yeGrupo Alavío, kuti vataure nezvekukura kwezvematongerwo enyika kwePropaghandi uye ramangwana rehunyanzvi.
TRIGONA: Chii chinonzi Propagandhi?
HANAHH: Zita rinongori chimwe chinhu chatakauya nacho pataiva nemakore 16. Pamwe richine zvarinoreva, asi rinotova zita kwatiri zvino. Iyo bhendi ine kukosha kwakavakirwa.
KOWALSKI: Ndinofunga maererano nezviri bhendi - nziyo, mazwi, zvinhu zvatinotsigira, mabhenefiti atinoridza.
Unobudisa sei mimhanzi?
HANAHH: Iko hakuna yakatarwa seti yebasa rebhendi. Iko kushanduka kwakanaka kwemaitiro ekuti zvinhu zvinoitika sei. Tinoedza nepatinogona napo kuita kuti zvese zvibatane. Isu tinoedza kuwana zvemunhu wese, kana iwe uchizviita sekuti chigadzirwa chekupedzisira chiri nani kana munhu wese achipa. Sezvineiwo, zvangove nemusikirwo kuti zvave sei, isu hatina kumanikidza maitiro iwayo. Ndinofunga kuti inotaura nezvemaitiro echisikigo ekuti zvinhu zvingave sei. Zvinhu zvinogona kuita zvirinani kana munhu wese achipa pane kuti munhu mumwe chete audze munhu wese zvekuita uye iwe wopedzisira wava nechigadzirwa chavo kwete chigadzirwa chemunhu wese.
Chii chiri pasi pehuzivi hweG7 Welcoming Committee zvinyorwa?
HANAHH: Kutanga uye zvakanyanya, kubata nevaimbi kana vaimbi vatinoda chaizvo uye isu tinofunga kuti tinoregeredzwa neindasitiri yemimhanzi iyo inofambiswa nepurofiti kupfuura kukosha-inotungamirwa. Icho chimwe chikamu. Chimwe chikamu chave chiri chimiro chebasa, kugara uchiita chokwadi chekuti hachidzokorora zvandinofunga inzira isina kusimba yekuronga nzvimbo yako yebasa, kuve nemutungamiri wenyika kana sahwira. Ipapo vamwe vese vanotevera nhevedzano yekuraira uko mafambiro anobva kumusoro zvichidzika. Takazviona neaimbova zita redu reU.S., Fat Records, uye mamwe mavara. Kuna mambo, ipapo munhu wese anoita zvaanenge audzwa.
Mune fungidziro yangu, zvakaparadza mapurojekiti ayo iyo label yakakonzeresa. Ipo G7-zvisinei nezviri kuitika nemimhanzi uko marekodhi asiri kutengeswa uye kurodha achinyanya kufarirwa-ichararama nekuda kwenzvimbo yedu yebasa. Inowedzera kusimba munzira dzakawanda. Wese munhu - saka pangori nevarume vaviri izvozvi - asi kunyangwe pataive nevanhu vashanu vaishanda pairi, vanhu vaivepo nekuti vaifarira tsika pane kushandura mari nekukurumidza. Izvo zvakakosha kwatiri.
Kuve bhendi rine zita raro rakanganisa sei kugoverwa?
HANAHH: Per capita taita basa riri nani pane epamusoro-pasi akapfuma makambani. Chimiro chenzvimbo yebasa ndeyemukati, inoshanda yekushandisa pfungwa. Kunze kwaizvozvo tinopa vanogovera marekodhi nenguva. Kunze kwemaitiro edu epabasa tichiri varanda vemusika.
Ndeapi masangano emagariro nezvematongerwo enyika akakurudzira basa raPropagandhi?
KOWALSKI: Munguva pfupi yapfuura, Sista muMweya vanogara muWinnipeg. Takavaridzira mabhenefiti. Masisita muMweya anoshanda nevakadzi vechiAboriginal vekuCanada. Vanoedza kutsvaga vakadzi vevaAborigine vakashaika muCanada vakapondwa uye mapurisa haasi kuita zvakakwana kuti avawane. Zvakare, kuunza ruzivo rwekushungurudzwa kwevakadzi vechiAborigine munharaunda yeCanada. Zvakare kwandiri pane nzvimbo inonzi Nzvimbo Yekugamuchira, nzvimbo yevapoteri vachangobva kuCanada kwandakapedza nguva yakawanda ndichizvipira. Kuratidza vanhu vakatenderedza, kutora makadhi eraibhurari, kuvaratidza mashandisiro eY.
HANAHH: Chaizvoizvo, mukati memakore gumi nemashanu kana makumi maviri apfuura ekubatana nemasangano, zvinhu zvinoita kuti nzeve dzedu dzisangane mapoka ari kuita chimwe chinhu chakasiyana nemasangano aripo ayo ari kutadza pachena munhu wese padanho rega rega. Patakanga tichiri vana nzeve dzedu dzaizonzwa kushushikana kana kuti socialism, chinhu chipi nechipi chairatidzika kuva chinokosha zvikuru kupfuura purofiti chaiyo. Izvo zvakatisvitsa patiri nhasi, tichiri kuyedza kutsvaga chinoshanda kana chinoshanda muvanhu vanoita icho chaicho.
Zvino zvauri muLatin America chii chawawana chichikurudzira?
KOWALSKI: Humwe hunyanzvi hwatiri kuona mumugwagwa.
HANAHH: Sekuenda kwemasangano evanhu, iyi [BAUEN Hotel] ingangove yakasarudzika pane zvatakaona kusvika parizvino. Chimwe chinhu chakandifadza, kwete zvachose, kunyanya muCentral America, yaive yakawanda sei yaizivikanwa nevanhu, ingangoita mhosva, tsika yekuNorth America. Ini ndaitarisira kuburuka kuCentral America ndokuzadzwa nekurira kwakasiyana uye vanhu vasingazivi zviri kuitika kuNorth America uye kutiratidza zviri kuitika nemabhendi pano. Yakanyanya Americanized. Izvozvo zvakandishamisa chaizvo. Inzira imwe nzira-yeNorth America tsika kuenda kuLatin America. Hazvina hutano kuve neimwe nzira mugwagwa nekutsinhana kwetsika.
KOWALSKI: Iwe buruka pano uye haudi kubvarura vanhu. Iwe zvakare unotya kuti kana kushanya kuchienda zvakanaka, urikuvhura musuwo wemabhandi edikweed anoda kuuya kuzoedza kuita mari kubva kuvana. Saka unogona kuva bakatwa rinocheka nekwose.
Nderipi basa renyanzvi mukushanduka kwevanhu?
HANAHH: Handinyare kutaura chimwe chinhu pachikuva chinotorwa sezvematongerwo enyika kana kushandisa nhandare senzvimbo yezvematongerwo enyika. Tinowanzo taura chimwe chinhu pazviratidzwa.
Ini pachangu, uye isu pamwe tinogovana maonero aya, ndine basa semumwe munhu akazvarwa munyika ino uye anoona nyika neimwe nzira. Uye ndiani anoona nyika nenzira isina kunaka yakadaro [ini ndinofanira] kutaura pamusoro payo. Kuburikidza nebhendi iyi idiki zvatingaite kuti tive nehanya nazvo...ungafamba sei munyika uchiona zvauri kuona, zvingave munhau kana mumigwagwa, wosangana nemhomho yevanhu motaura nezvazvo. zvekunyepedzera kuti haipo.
KOWALSKI: Ndinofunga kuti vanhu vanoita chimwe chinhu kana vanhu vakateerera, vanogamuchira zvavanonzwisisa. Mhomho dzakasiyana-siyana dzinoita kune zvikamu zvakasiyana zvemashoko. Kana iwe ukawana chikamu ichi, kana iwe ukasawana, iwe haugone.
HANAHH: Hatitaure zvinhu kuedza kusiyana nemunhu wese. Pfungwa yedu ndeyekuti pane musimboti wemediocrity mukuita. Vanhu vazhinji vanogona kurondedzera, semuenzaniso, kana ndichinzwa kuti zvakaipa kuti pave nehukama hwebasa-mushandi. Kana ndichinzwa kuti pane chimwe chinhu chakashata, chandisati ndambonakidzwa pachedu pamusoro pehukama ihwohwo muhupenyu hwangu hwose hwekushanda, saka fungidziro yangu ndeyokuti ruzhinji rwevanhu vanogovanawo chiitiko ichocho chekuva nehukama husina kunaka hwebasa-mushandi. Ini handisi munhu akasarudzika. Saka kana iwe ukaisa iwo mazano kunze uko wotanga kuona izvo, hongu, munhu wese akave nechiitiko chakafanana. Kana iwe ukakumbira kuratidzwa kwemaoko pamusoro pechinhu chakadaro, maoko ose anokwira kumusoro. Kungoti vanhu vazhinji havaronge kana kuti vanonzwa sekunge havagone kuronga. Wese munhu anonzwa ari ega uye ndosaka hapana chinomboita sechachinja zvakanyanya.
Iwe unofunga kuti mimhanzi inogona kutumira meseji zviri nani pane mamwe masvikiro?
HANAHH: Zvinogona, asi hazviiti nekuti mazhinji emabhendi - kunyanya mumhanzi we punk - anosarudza kusadaro. Vanonakidzwa nehukama hwemagariro huripo, vanonakidzwa nemukaha uri pakati pevapfumi nevarombo wavanogona kushandisa kuti vabatsirwe. Pasinei nezvavanotaura, ndinotenda kuti mazhinji emabhendi epunk akagadzwa muNorth America haana kufarira kuita shanduko. Mimhanzi inogona kuva chishandiso chine simba.
KOWALSKI: Chinhu chemimhanzi ndechekuti unoita kuti unzwe chimwe chinhu, kana kuti unogona kunzwisisa kuti mumwe munhu ari kunzwa sei nezvechimwe chinhu. Unonzwa wobva wati, “Ehe.
HANAHH: DIY tsika yakazvizivisa kubva pakutanga. Todd paaiva muZiso Spy, bhendi rake rekare, uye Propagandhi neEye Spy vaikura pamwe chete, DIY ndiyo yaive tsika yatakanga tichivavarira. Kusvika nhasi, zvese zvinoshanda, zvese zvisingaite, tinoedza kugadzira munzvimbo yedu pachedu.
KOWALSKI: Imwe nguva takanga tine maCD 5,000 uye takagara uye takacheka zvidimbu zvemakadhibhodi paCD rega rega raiedza kugadzira makesi.
HANAHH: DIY kusvika pakusava nemusoro mune zvimwe zviitiko.
KOWALSKI: Ipapo ingi inobvisa kadhibhodhi paCD uye yobvarura.
HANAHH: Asi iyo ine musoro yekuwedzera yeDIY vanhu vari kushanda pamwe panzvimbo yekuti mumwe munhu aise pfungwa dzavo kune wese munhu.
Ndezvipi zvinangwa zvezvematongerwo enyika?
KOWALSKI: Chimwe chezvinangwa zvedu zvikuru sevaimbi kugadzira nziyo dzinodadisa dzatinogona kana tasvika kumba. Ita mazwi akanaka nenziyo dzakanaka. Ini ndinoda zvimwe zvatiri kuita kuti zvive nemhedzisiro pawebhusaiti yedu. Dzimwe nguva tinenge tichifamba uye tinonyangarika mumumvuri. Zvingave zvakanaka kugara kumberi nemazano matsva nguva dzese uye zvimwe zvinhu zviri kuitika.
HANAHH: Nguva dziri kuchinja mimhanzi nemabhendi. Kugadzira nziyo dzinotifadza zvinoshamisa - haugone kurasikirwa nekuti vanhu vanonzwa voti "Ehe, ndinogona kuzvichera." Uye zvino izvo zvine basa kune mazano uye mimhanzi zvakare. Unogona kuva nemafungiro akanaka asi kana uine mimhanzi yakashata, vanhu havasi kuzotenga mairi zvachose.
Wakura sei mune zvehunyanzvi uye mune zvematongerwo enyika?
KOWALSKI: Nehunyanzvi, isu takakura zvinoseka. Pandinofunga nezve kutamba kwangu chaiko mumakore apfuura, handitende kuti takatarisana nemhomho mune chero chimiro. Ndine mavhidhiyo emabhendi angu ekare uye zvakajeka isu tave nani.
Seveteran punk rockers chii chaunonyanya kudada nacho mubasa rako?
KOWALSKI: Zvakaoma kutaura. Dzimwe nziyo kana zvikamu zvenziyo.
HANAHH: Pamwe kungozvichengeta chaiko kwenguva yakareba sezvatinazvo. Kuona vamwe vezera redu vakawanda vachitengesa kana kungowedzera shiti neshiti. Hatina kumboenda kune perverbial brass ring. Takazvichengeta chaizvo. Ishamwari ina dziri mukamuri yepasi dzichigadzira mimhanzi inodiwa nemunhu wese.
KOWALSKI: Dzimwe nguva unofanirwa kudada kuti unoziva kuti bhendi rauri iri ndiro raungadai wakafarira uchiri mudiki, asi semwana ungadai usina kukwanisa kufungidzira mimhanzi yauri kugadzira nekuti chaiyo. manzwi nemastaira zvaisavapo uchiri mudiki. Iwe wakatora mimhanzi uye iwe wakaiita itsva.
HANAHH: Pane imwe nhanho isinganzwisisike uye yakawedzera cliché level, kuwana mhinduro kubva kuvanhu, kwete kunyangwe vechidiki chete, vanhuwo zvavo. Ivo vachiti bhendi rakabata hupenyu hwavo nenzira inoratidza hunhu hwedu, hombe. Kupesana nehurongwa hwese hunodzidzisa humwe hunhu, bhendi rinokwanisa kushandura munhu kune hunhu hwaunofunga kuti hune musoro. Iwe unogona kutaura kuti ndiko kururamiswa kwehupenyu hwako, kunyangwe ingori nhoroondo.
Ndeipi rwiyo rwuri pedyo newe?
KOWALSKI: Kana ndaizoenda neimwe yandakagadzira, “Muunzi Wezvinhu Zvikuru,” yandakanyora mashoko ayo. Ndakakurira muRegina. Kwaiva kusarurana. Mhuri yangu yakanga ine rusaruraganda. Kuti ndikwanise kuzvishandura muhupenyu hwangu uye kuziva, pandakanga ndiri 17-18, tese takarambwa. Kuona amai vangu vachibatirira voti "Ehe, takabatwa" uye mukoma wangu anobatirira ndokuti "Ehe, takabatwa." Kunyora rwiyo pamusoro parwo rusina kuremara uye rwune zvarinoreva kwandiri uye rinotakura huremu hwandinogona kuona mumusoro mangu semufananidzo uzere. Rwiyo urwu, muSaskatoon, mapurisa anotora vanhu veAboriginal kunze kweguta uye kuvaita kuti vafambe kuenda kumba mumadhigirii makumi mana pasi pemamiriro ekunze. Vakomana vashoma vakafa nazvo. Munoziva zvinoitika. Ndinonzwa kudada nekubvisa chimwe chinhu pachipfuva changu nenzira inondinakidza.
Chii chakachengeterwa ramangwana?
KOWALSKI: Kuenda kumba kunorova zvakanyanya sezvatinogona.
HANAHH: Imwe rekodhi mune chero fomati inobvumirwa nemusika. Kutamba kwakawanda, kuzunungusa mukamuri yepasi, kuichengeta iri chaiyo, kubatanidza mazwi nemabhendi kune zvatinoita muhupenyu hwedu chaihwo. Kuedza kutsigira vanhu vanoitawo zvinhu zvine chekuita nehunhu hwebhendi. Chikamu chikuru chebhendi chiri kutsigira vanhu vari kuita basa rakasviba.
KOWALSKI: Tiri kuedza kuita basa rimwe chete. Kune bhendi uye kuyedza kuita rudzi irworwo rwebasa. Zvese zvinonakidza. Hapana chimwe chazvo chinoita sebasa. Hapana kana basa rinobhadharwa.
Marie Trigona munyori, mugadziri weredhiyo, uye mugadziri wemafirimu.