Gulu la ophunzira aposachedwa komanso akale a Yale akusumira ku yunivesite ya Ivy League pa zomwe akuti "kusalana mwadongosolo" kwa ophunzira omwe ali ndi vuto lamisala. Pamlandu womwe waperekedwa sabata yatha, akuti oyang'anira masukulu nthawi zonse amakakamiza ophunzira kuti achoke ku Yale m'malo mokwaniritsa zosowa zawo zamaganizidwe, mchitidwe womwe umapweteketsa kwambiri ophunzira amitundu, omwe akuchokera osauka kapena akumidzi komanso ophunzira ochokera kumayiko ena. Kuti timve zambiri, timalankhula ndi Alicia Abramson, wophunzira waposachedwa wa Yale komanso m'modzi mwa omwe adayimba mlanduwo, yemwe akuti adakakamizika kusiya kudwala, kukhumudwa komanso kusowa tulo, zomwe zidamupangitsa kuti ataya inshuwaransi yazaumoyo. zambiri zamaphunziro ake. "Zinkawoneka ngati Yale akundisiya pamene ndinkafuna thandizo lalikulu," akutero Abramson. Timalankhulanso ndi loya Monica Porter, ndi Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, ndi Miriam Heyman, wofufuza pa Lurie Institute for Disability Policy ku Brandeis University.
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AMY GOODMAN: izi ndi Demokarase Tsopano!, democracynow.org, Lipoti la Nkhondo ndi Mtendere. Ndine Amy Goodman.
Gulu la ophunzira apano komanso akale pa Yunivesite ya Yale adasumira sukulu ya Ivy League chifukwa chosala ophunzira omwe ali ndi vuto lamisala mophwanya lamulo la American Disabilities Act. Mlanduwu akuti Yale amakakamiza ophunzira kuti achoke kusukulu ngati akufuna kudzipha kapena agonekedwa m'chipatala kuti akalandire chithandizo chamankhwala. Ophunzira ena amene amakana kusiya sukulu amachotsedwa mwadala.
Wodandaula wina adati aboma ku Yale adamuyendera kuchipatala atamwa aspirin mopitilira muyeso kuti amulimbikitse kuti achoke. Pamene sanatero, yunivesite inamuchotsa mwadala pamene anali mโchipatala. Kenako anauzidwa kuti afunika kumuperekeza apolisi kuti akatenge katundu wake.
Mlanduwo ukunena kuti Yale, "adachita zinthu mosagwirizana ndipo adalephera kulandila ophunzira omwe ali ndi vuto lamisala." Mlanduwo ukupitiriza kunena, mawu akuti, "Zotsatira za ndondomeko zatsankho za Yale ndizoopsa kwambiri kwa ophunzira omwe ali ndi zilema zamaganizidwe ochokera kumadera opanda mwayi, kuphatikizapo ophunzira amitundu, ophunzira ochokera m'mabanja osauka kapena akumidzi, ndi ophunzira apadziko lonse," osatchulapo.
Mu 2018, Ruderman Family Foundation idatulutsa a lipoti pazakusapezekapo komanso kuchotsedwa ntchito kusukulu za Ivy League. Yale adapatsidwa F chifukwa cha mfundo zake. Yale yati mfundo zake zochotsera tsopano zikuwunikiridwa.
Mlanduwu ukunena za mlandu wa wophunzira wakale wotchedwa Nicolette Mantica. Muvidiyoyi, yopangidwa ndi gulu la Elis la Rachael, Nicolette akufotokoza zomwe zinachitika.
NICOLETTE MANTICA: Matenda anga atafika pamalo omwe ndimafunikiradi chithandizo, ndinamaliza kufunafuna chithandizo kudzera mu Yale Health, koma, nditatha miyezi ingapo ndikulandira chithandizo, ndinagonekedwa m'chipatala ndipo potsirizira pake ndinapemphedwa kuti ndichoke pachipatala. Zinali zodabwitsa kwambiri, chifukwa sindinali mumkhalidwe wamoyo kapena imfa. Ndinali ndi chidziwitso chochepa kwambiri paziganizo zomwe zinali kupangidwa m'malo mwanga. Ndipo zinachitikadi mwadzidzidzi. Ndinauzidwa kuti ndiyenera kuchoka ku Yale, ndinali ndi maola awiri oti nditengere zinthu zanga zonse, kenako ndinapita. Ndipo mu nthawi yomwe ndinali kutali ndi Yale, ndinali kukhala kwathu kumudzi komwe kunalibe zinthu zambiri, ndipo ndinagonekedwanso m'chipatala miyezi isanu ndi umodzi pambuyo pake. Koma posamutsira ku yunivesite ya Northwestern University, ndinapeza kuti ndingapeze athandizi amene amandisamalira monga munthu payekha komanso yunivesite amene akanandithandiza monga wophunzira.
AMY GOODMAN: Awa ndi mawu a wophunzira wakale wa Yale University Nicolette Mantica.
Tsopano talumikizidwa ndi alendo atatu. Alicia Abramson ali nafe. Ndi wophunzira waposachedwa wa Yale, m'modzi mwa omwe adayimba mlandu pamilandu yotsutsana ndi yunivesite. Anatinso Yale anakana mobwerezabwereza kutengera zovuta zake zamaganizidwe okhudzana ndi vuto lakudya, kukhumudwa komanso kusowa tulo. Miriam Heyman ali nafenso. Ndiwothandizira kafukufuku wamkulu ku Lurie Institute for Disability Policy ku Brandeis University. Adalemba 2018 "Ruderman White Paper on Mental Health in the Ivy League," yomwe yatchulidwa pamlandu wa Yale. Monica Porter ndi loya wa Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, amodzi mwa magulu omwe akuyimira odandaula ku Yale.
Takulandirani nonse Demokarase Tsopano! Alicia, tiyambe ndi iwe. Tikufikirani ku New Haven pompano. Ndinu wophunzira pano. Koma lankhulani za ulendo wanu ndi zomwe zidakuchitikirani komanso chifukwa chomwe mukusumira ku yunivesite yomwe mukupita.
ALICIA ABRAMSON: Eya, wakhala ulendo wautali kwa ine. Ndinayamba ku Yale mu 2018. Ndipo ndakhala ndikukumana ndi mavuto amisala kwakanthawi. Koma nditafika kusukuluko, ndinavutika kuti ndipeze malo ogona nthawi yomweyo. Ndinauzidwa ndi dokotala wazamisala kuti ndikuwona ku Yale kuti Yale Mental Health ili ndi mfundo yosathandiza ophunzira kupeza malo ogona, chifukwa titha kunena zabodza pazizindikiro zathu. Ndipo izi ndizizindikiro zomwe amandilembera mankhwala. Choncho, zinali zovuta kuyesa kupeza malo amtundu uliwonse ku yunivesite. Ndipo sindinathe kutenga maphunziro anthawi yochepa chifukwa ndizotsutsana ndi mfundo za Yale.
Chifukwa chake, pamapeto pake, ndidapanga chisankho chosiya mu 2019. Ndipo nditachoka, chinali choletsa chilichonse chokhudzana ndi Yale, kotero sindikanatha kuchita maphunziro, sindikanatha kuchita nawo zinthu. Sindinaloledwe ngakhale kuponda pasukulupo. Ndipo ndinataya inshuwaransi yanga yazaumoyo. Ndinaluza zambiri za maphunziro anga. Chifukwa chake, zimamveka ngati Yale amandisiya pomwe ndimafunikira thandizo lalikulu. Kenako anafika -
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo mwabwelera bwanji?
ALICIA ABRAMSON: Inde, njira yobwezeretsanso -
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi chinkafunika chiyani kuti mubwerere kusukulu ndikukhalanso wophunzira?
ALICIA ABRAMSON: Zinali zovuta kwambiri kuti tibwerere. Panali ntchito yomwe inali ndi nkhani ndi makalata angapo oyamikira. Ndipo ndinayeneranso kumaliza makalasi awiri pa yunivesite ya zaka zinayi. Ndipo a Yale adachotsapo mfundoyi. Koma panthawiyo zinali zodula komanso zowononga nthawi. Ndipo zonsezo zidapangidwa kuti ziwone ngati ndagwiritsa ntchito bwino nthawi yanga yopuma, zomwe, mukudziwa, zimamveka ngati ndiyenera kugwiritsa ntchito nthawi yanga yopuma kuchiritsa, osati kukhala opindulitsa. Koma, inde, pamene ndinabwerera, ndinali kuvutikabe kupeza malo ogona. Chifukwa chake, zakhala zovuta kupeza thandizo kuchokera ku yunivesite iyi.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndikutanthauza, chomwe chili chosangalatsa pakukhala kwanu - kutaya zambiri zamaphunziro anu a semesitayo komanso inshuwaransi yazaumoyo ndikuti ngati mukufuna kusiya, zitha kukhala chifukwa mukuwona kuti mukufunikira kuti mukhale ndi thanzi labwino. Icho chingakhale cholepheretsa choterocho kuchita izo.
ALICIA ABRAMSON: Eya, mwamtheradi. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ophunzira ambiri amalepheretsedwa pazifukwa izi, chifukwa akudziwa kuti achotsedwa pazinthu. Ndipo ndinali ndi mwayi chifukwa, mukudziwa, ndidatha kutembenukira kwa banja langa kuti andithandize ndi thandizo la ndalama ndi chithandizo chamankhwala. Koma ophunzira ambiri sali m'malo amenewo, ndipo amadalira Yale pa inshuwaransi, chithandizo, nyumba, ma visa. Ndipo kotero, pamene Yale amawadula kotheratu, alibe poti atembenukire.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndikufuna kupita pompano kwa Monica Porter. Iye ali ndi Bazelon Center. Bazelon Center ikuyimira ophunzira omwe adasumira Yale University, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law. Monica Porter, ngati mungalankhule za mlanduwu? Muli ndi - pankhaniyi, muli ndi Alicia, yemwe ndi m'modzi mwa omwe amatsutsa. Lankhulani ngati iyi ndi suti yamagulu ndi zomwe mukufuna.
MONICA PORTER: Inde, tikufuna kuti izi zikhale zoyeserera, zomwe zingatipangitse kuyimira Alicia, otsutsa ena, komanso ophunzira onse aku Yale omwe ali ndi, kapena ali ndi mbiri yolemala komanso omwe ali ndi vuto lamisala. kuvulazidwa kapena kuopa kuvulazidwa ndi ndondomeko za Yale.
Zomwe tikuyang'ana pamlanduwu ndikusintha kwa mfundo za commonsense. Palibe m'modzi mwa odandaula omwe ali mbali ya izi akufunafuna chithandizo chandalama. Tikungofuna kusintha kwa mfundo za Yale pankhani yochotsa ndalama, zomwe Alicia adatchulapo za ophunzira onse kuti azigwira ntchito nthawi zonse komanso osalola kuti azichita nawo nthawi yochepa, komanso mfundo zomwe zimathandizira ophunzira kufunafuna ndi kulandira maphunziro. malo oyenera omwe ali oyenera kukhala nawo pansi pa malamulo a federal.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndinkafuna kupita ku kanema wina wokhudza wophunzira ku Yale University. Uyu ndi Alicia Floyd akuyankhula zomwe zidamuchitikira ku Yale. Iye tsopano ndi dokotala. Zinali pafupifupi zaka 20 zapitazo.
DR. ALICIA FLOYD: Ndinamaliza maphunziro anga mu 1998, ndipo ndinamaliza maphunziro anga mu 2005. Ndipo zaka zimenezo sizinali zabwino. Zaka zimenezo sizinali zabwino kwa ine. Ndinavutika maganizo kwambiri. Zimenezo zinafika pachimake pa kumwa kwanga mopitirira muyeso. Ndinagonekedwa mโchipatala. Kwenikweni, ndinagonekedwa mโchipatala kawiri. Ndinayenera kuchoka ku koleji ndikufunsira kuwerengedwanso ndikuchita zonsezo - ndikuganiza kuti tsopano zimatchedwa kubwezeretsedwa, koma chimodzimodzi.
Ndipo ngati ndingathe kubwerera ndikuyankhula ndi ine wazaka 19, ine wazaka 19 yemwe ndinali ngati nditakhala pansi kunja kwa University Health nthawi ya 2:00 m'mawa mumdima ndikulira, ndikungolira chifukwa ndimatha. Sindikudziwa momwe ndingatsegulire chitseko ndipo ndikufuna wina woti ndiyankhule naye, ndikuganiza kuti chinthu choyamba chomwe ndingachite ndikukumbatira ndekha, chifukwa ndizovuta. Ndizovuta kukhala ku Yale. โฆ
Ngati muli ku Yale pompano ndipo mukuvutika ndipo mukumva ngati simungathe kupirira ndipo mukumva kupsinjika ndi kulemera kwa ziyembekezo miliyoni, dziwani kuti simuli nokha. Simuli nokha.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye, ndiye tsopano-Dr. Alicia Floyd. Ndikufuna kubwerera ku October 2016. Wophunzira ku Yale Hale Ross anamwalira podzipha. Awa ndi abambo a Hale, a Jack Ross, omwe adapitanso ku Yale.
JACK ROSS: Wakhala ulendo wautali ndithu kuchokera pamene ndinachoka ku Yale mu 1979. Ngakhale kuti ndinali ndi vuto la maganizo ochititsa munthu kusinthasintha maganizo komanso uchidakwa, zimenezi zikanandipha, ndidakali mโgulu la masewerawa. Ndili ndi moyo wabwino. Koma, mwatsoka, mwana wanga Hale salinso pamasewera. Adatenga moyo wake mu Okutobala 2016 mchaka chake chaching'ono ku Yale. Ndi china chake chomwe ndidzakonza kwa moyo wanga wonse. โฆ
Ndikuganiza kuti adadzigwira pamlingo wosatheka kuupeza wangwiro. Ndipo, mukudziwa, tonse tikudziwa kuti zovuta zamaphunziro ndi zina ndi gawo la moyo waku koleji, koma chomwe chimachitika ndikuti matenda amisala amatha kupangitsa kuti zipsinjozo zichuluke ndikuwonongeka kwakukulu kwamalingaliro, ngati mukufuna kuzitcha izi. Ndikudziwa bwino kuti mutha kutaya malingaliro anu pa inu nokha komanso kulumikizana kwanu ndi dziko lapansi. Chifukwa chake, pamapeto pake, sindikuganiza kuti Hale adatha kuzindikira kuchuluka kwa moyo wake, kupitilira ku Yale, kapena kuwona kuti akadachira akadapeza thandizo. Chifukwa chake tiyenera kukambirana za matenda amisala ku Yale kuti tilimbikitse kuzindikira, kuchepetsa kusalana komanso kuchitapo kanthu kuti tipewe zovuta ngati imfa ya Hale.
AMY GOODMAN: Chifukwa chake, makanema awa adapangidwa ndi Elis kwa Rachael. Ndilo gulu lolimbikitsa zaumoyo, Eli wa Eli Yale, yemwe adayambitsa Yale. Elis kwa Rachael anapanga pambuyo pa imfa ya Rachael Shaw Rosenbaum podzipha mu March 2021. Anali watsopano ku Yale.
Demokarase Tsopano! adafika ku Yale University dzulo. Tinaitana pulezidenti wake, Peter Salovey, pa mwambowu. Ngakhale kuti pempholo linakanidwa, mneneri wa Yale, Karen Peart, anatitumizira mawu ena akuti: โTimazindikira mmene zimakhalira zovutirapo ndi zovutirapo kwa wophunzirayo ndi okondedwa awo pamene wophunzira akukumana ndi mavuto a maganizo. Tikapanga zisankho ndikukhazikitsa mfundo, cholinga chathu chachikulu chimakhala pachitetezo cha ophunzira komanso thanzi lawo, makamaka akakhala pachiwopsezo. โฆ Tachitapo kanthu m'zaka zaposachedwa kuti tifewetse kubwerera ku Yale kwa ophunzira omwe amasiya kuchipatala komanso kupereka thandizo lina kwa ophunzira. Tikugwiranso ntchito kuti tiwonjezere zinthu zothandizira ophunzira. โฆ [W] takhala tikugwira ntchito yosintha mfundo zomwe zimagwirizana ndi momwe ophunzira amakhudzidwira komanso zachuma.
Alicia Abramson, kachiwiri, ndiwe m'modzi mwa otsutsa omwe ali mu sutiyi. Kodi zimenezo zimakukhutiritsani? Komanso, ngati mutha kuyankhula zachitetezo chomwe muli nacho ngati wophunzira ku Yale chomwe simumaona kuti chikulemekezedwa?
ALICIA ABRAMSON: Inde, ndikutanthauza, ndikuganiza kuti Yale wasintha pang'ono. Mukudziwa, achotsa zofunikira pamaphunzirowa. Iwo awonjezera aphungu ena angapo. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ichi ndi chiyambi chabwino, koma sizokwanira. Ndipo sizili pafupi ndi kusintha kwakukulu kwa mfundo zomwe ziyenera kuchitika.
Ndipo ndikuganiza, malinga ndi zomwe ndidakumana nazo, kunali kukanidwa kwa malo ogona omwe ndili ndi chitetezo komanso ufulu wokhala wophunzira ku Yale. Kunali kukana malo okhalamo. Inali njira yovuta yobwezera yomwe inangondikhumudwitsa kwambiri. Ndipo pamapeto pake, inali momwe Yale amachitira ndi ophunzira awo olumala ngati ndi zigawenga. Iwo amatilanga ndi kutilanga. Sakumana nafe ndi zothandizira kapena chithandizo. Koma, pamapeto pake, ngati, sitiri zigawenga. Tikudwala, ndipo tikusowa thandizo. Koma sizomwe Yale watipatsa.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndikufuna kubweretsa Miriam Heyman muzokambiranazi, wothandizana nawo kafukufuku wamkulu ku Lurie Institute for Disability Policy ku Yunivesite ya Brandeis, yemwe adalemba izi. lipoti mu 2018, "Ruderman White Paper on Mental Health in the Ivy League," yomwe yatchulidwa pamlandu wa Yale. Ngati mungathe kuyankhula, Miriam Heyman, zomwe zikuchitika ku Yale - momveka bwino, sali okha - komanso zomwe American Disabilities Act ikukhudzana ndi zonsezi?
MIRIAM HEYMAN: Zedi. Eya, mwamtheradi. Kotero, zikomo pokhala nane.
Ndikuvomereza kuti, mwatsoka, Yale sali yekha mu izi. Thanzi lamalingaliro ndizovuta kwambiri pamasukulu aku koleji. Zambiri za mliriwu zisanachitike zidawonetsa kuti m'dziko lonselo pafupifupi 40% ya omaliza maphunziro awo adakhumudwa kwambiri chaka chatha kotero kuti zinali zovuta kuti agwire ntchito. Izi zaphulika kuyambira mliriwu, ndipo ndizokwera kwambiri kuposa kuchuluka kwa achinyamata azaka zofananira omwe sanalembetse ku koleji, pazifukwa zambiri, koma pang'ono chifukwa koleji imakhala yovutitsa.
Ndipo pakadali pano, makoleji m'dziko lonselo - ndipo izi sizinatchulenso ku Yale - alibe zida zothandizira thanzi la ophunzira. Pafupifupi, m'dziko lonselo pamasukulu ang'onoang'ono, pali dokotala m'modzi pa ophunzira 1,000 mpaka 2,000 aliwonse. M'masukulu akuluakulu, pali dokotala mmodzi kwa ophunzira 2,000 mpaka 3,500 aliwonse. Chifukwa chake, makoleji sanakonzekere kukwaniritsa zosowa zamaganizidwe a ophunzira awo.
Ndipo, mwatsoka, nthawi zambiri amatengera kuchotsedwa kwawo kudzera patchuthi, popatula ophunzira awo omwe ali ndi matenda amisala, m'malo mopeza njira zowathandizira kuti akhalebe pasukulu, zomwe ophunzirawo ali nazo, malinga ndi aku America. ndi Disabilities Act. Ndondomeko, monga momwe zalembedwera panopa, nthawi zambiri zimakhala zoletsedwa. Chifukwa chake, Alicia adanenanso kuti saloledwa kuyendera sukulu, kuti ophunzira omwe ali patchuthi saloledwa kuyendera sukulu. Ndizowona muzinthu zambiri zosiyanasiyana. Ndipo kuchokera kumalingaliro amisala, kwa ophunzira omwe ali pamasamba omwe amakhala pafupi, akubwera kusukulu, mukudziwa, kukadyera m'chipinda chodyera kapena kugona m'mabwalo kungakhale kofunikira kuti akhale ammudzi komanso chikhalidwe cha anthu. Ndipo mwatsoka, kudzera chitsanzo ndi zina exclusionary mbali za ndondomeko, masamba a kulibe akuipiraipira ophunzira bwino m'malo kuwongolera izo.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiroleni ndikufunseni, Pulofesa Heyman, za mfundo za mayunivesite ena olimbana ndi zomwe zimatchedwa kusokoneza anthu, kuphatikiza machitidwe ofunafuna thandizo. Kodi mungalankhule za zomwe ndi zitsanzo za zomwe zimathandiza ophunzira munthawi zovuta zino zamavuto kwa iwo?
MIRIAM HEYMAN: Inde. Choncho, imeneyo ndi mfundo yofunika kwambiri. Masukulu ambiri opuma pantchito - ndipo kwenikweni a Yale alibe izi m'ndondomeko, zomwe ndi zabwino - koma ophunzira ambiri - mfundo zotsalira za sukulu zambiri zimaphatikizapo kusokonezeka kwa anthu ammudzi ngati chifukwa chatchuthi chodzifunira. Vuto la mawu oti "kusokoneza anthu" ndilosavuta ndipo lingagwiritsidwe ntchito mozama kwambiri.
Chifukwa chake, zomwe zingachitike ndi zomwe zachitika ndikuti ophunzira, mwachitsanzo, omwe ali ndi malingaliro odzipha amatha kuuza anzawo omwe amakhala nawo kapena anzawo kuti ali ndi malingaliro awa, ndipo zomwe zitha kukwiyitsa omwe amakhala nawo ndi anzawo, zitha kumveka ngati kusokonezeka kwa anthu ammudzi, ndipo ophunzira atha kukhala ndi tchuthi choperekedwa kwa iwo. Vuto ndiloti ophunzira akamavutika timafuna kuti apeze thandizo. Tikufuna kuti auze anzawo, akatswiri pasukulupo, kuti akufunika thandizo. Umo ndi momwe iwo adzakhalira bwino potsirizira pake. Ndipo tikamapatula ophunzira kuti agawane nawo ndikuwulula kuti akukumana ndi zovuta, timasokoneza moyo wawo.
Chitsanzo china cha kusokonekera kwa anthu ammudzi ndi ngati kholo, mwachitsanzo, lipempha kuti chitetezo cha pasukulupo chiwonetsetse kuti mwana wawo ali bwino. Zimenezo zafotokozedwa ngati kusokoneza anthu. Ndipo sitikufuna kulepheretsa makolo kuyang'ana ophunzira awo, ngati ali ndi nkhawa.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiroleni ine ndifunse Monica Porter ku Bazelon Center ngati mungathe kulankhula za zitsanzo kuzungulira dziko, makamaka, kumene wophunzira kwenikweni anathandizidwa. Ndipo ndi chiyani chomwe chimasiyanitsa kwambiri ophunzira omwe akukumana nawo nthawizi?
MONICA PORTER: Ndilo funso lalikulu. Ku Bazelon Center, takhala tikusonkhanitsa deta m'mayunivesite m'dziko lonselo kuti tidziwitse anthu omwe amalimbikitsa ndondomeko ndi malingaliro omwe tikupanga. Mwatsoka, ine ndiribe chitsanzo offhand, koma ine ndikhoza kunena zina mwa zinthu zimene masukulu angakhale akuchita kuthandiza ophunzira: kuphunzitsa faculty ndi ogwira ntchito za olumala maganizo ndi kuti amatetezedwa ndi feduro malamulo ufulu wachibadwidwe; kuti ophunzira omwe ali ndi zilema zamaganizidwe, monganso ophunzira ndi anthu olumala m'thupi ndi kuphunzira, ali ndi ufulu wokhala ndi malo oyenera komanso mwayi wofanana kutenga nawo mbali pamapulogalamu ndi ntchito zomwe zili zoyenera. Masukulu akuyenera kuchitapo kanthu posamalira ophunzira aliyense payekhapayekha kuti awone zomwe zingachitike komanso momwe ophunzira angawathandizire popanda kuwapatula.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo kodi mungalankhule zomwe zidachitika COVID isanachitike, kenako ndi mliri, pomwe nkhani yaumoyo wamaganizidwe mwa ophunzira - ophunzira achichepere, ophunzira aku koleji, ophunzira omaliza maphunziro akungokumana ndi zovuta zamaganizidwe zomwe sitinawonepo?
MONICA PORTER: Mwamtheradi. Monga taonera, lipoti la Dr. Heyman lidachitika mliriwu usanachitike, ndiye nkhani zomwe zakhalapo kwa zaka zambiri. Panthawi ya mliriwu, ndikuganiza, monga mukunenera, ophunzira adakumana ndi kupsinjika kwakukulu, komanso zokambirana zamtundu uliwonse zokhudzana ndi thanzi lamisala zasintha. Ndife oyamikira kwambiri chifukwa cha mwayi woti tikambirane lero pa pulogalamu yanu. Ndipo kuwonjezera pa ife kukamba za izo zambiri pa tebulo la kukhitchini ndi pa malo ochezera a pa Intaneti ndi chiyani inu, United States Department of Justice and Education achitapo kanthu kuti atsimikizire ufulu wa ophunzira ndi udindo wa sukulu kuteteza ophunzira, makamaka mu nthawi ya COVID-19.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo potsiriza, Alicia Abramson, ngati mungathe kuyankhula za zomwe zikutanthauza kuti mutuluke poyera motere, pokhala wodandaula dzina lake pa mlandu wotsutsana ndi yunivesite yanu, ndi momwe mumamvera kubwerera kusukulu? Kodi ndi malo otani otani amene akuthandizani kulimbana ndi vuto la anorexia, kusagona tulo, kuvutika maganizo?
ALICIA ABRAMSON: Inde. Mwamwayi, mโkupita kwa nthaลตi ndinapeza malo ogona kaamba ka vuto langa la kadyedwe. Zinanditengera kumenyana kochuluka, koma ndinatha kuwateteza. Koma a Yale amandikanizabe malo ogona chifukwa cha vuto langa la kugona, ngakhale kuti ndatumiza makalata angapo kuchokera kwa madokotala. Kotero izo zakhaladi zovuta. Koma, pamapeto pake, ndikuganiza, mukudziwa, kuchita izi ndikutuluka ndi nkhani yanga kwakhala kwamphamvu kwambiri kwa ine, ndipo mwachiyembekezo kwa ophunzira ena omwe akumanapo ndi zomwezi. Inde, ndalandira kale chithandizo chochuluka kuchokera kwa ophunzira ku Yale ndi ku mayunivesite ena omwe akuvutika komanso omwe amadziona ngati ali okha motsutsana ndi mabungwe amphamvu kwambiri awa. Chifukwa chake, pamapeto pake, ndine wokondwa kwambiri kuti ndakhala ndi mwayi wochitapo kanthu pa izi, ndipo mwachiyembekezo ndiyamba kusintha momwe timachitira ndi thanzi lamisala pamasukulu.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo pomaliza, Miriam Heyman, kodi iyi ndiye - mlandu woyamba? Ndipo mukuyembekeza kuti zikhala bwanji osati ku mayunivesite a Ivy League okha komanso makoleji kuzungulira dzikolo?
MIRIAM HEYMAN: [zosamveka] zokhudzana ndi tsankho kwa ophunzira aku koleji omwe ali ndi matenda amisala. Koma ndikuganiza zomwe ndikuyembekeza ndikuti chifukwa ndi Yale, yomwe mwachiwonekere ndi imodzi mwa mayunivesite apamwamba kwambiri, zomwe zisintha zomwe mlanduwu udzabweretse, osati ku Yale kokha koma kuti masukulu ena adzalimbikitsidwa kutsatira, chifukwa, mukudziwa, Sindikuganiza kuti vutoli ndi la Yale, koma ndikuganiza kuti Yale tsopano ali ndi mwayi wosintha ndikupereka chitsanzo kwa ena onse.
AMY GOODMAN: Chabwino, Dr. Miriam Heyman, tikukuthokozani chifukwa chokhala nafe, Lurie Institute for Disability Policy ku yunivesite ya Brandeis ku Massachusetts. Alicia Abramson, wophunzira wa Yale, adatchula wodandaula pamlanduwo, chifukwa chobwera nafe ku New Haven, ndi Monica Porter, loya wa Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, imodzi mwa mabungwe omwe akuimira otsutsa a Yale.
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