Jane McAlevey ndi wokonza nthawi yaitali; wolemba, posachedwa, Palibe Njira Yachidule: Kukonzekera Mphamvu mu Nyengo Yatsopano Yotha, limodzi ndi ma 2012 Kukweza Zoyembekeza (ndi Kukweza Gahena). Ndipo ali ndi buku latsopano lotchedwa Kubwerera, posachedwapa kuchokera Kuti. Nkhani yake, "Zomwe #MeToo Angaphunzitse Gulu Lantchito," adawonekera posachedwa mu Mu Nthawi Zino. Amalumikizana nafe tsopano pafoni kuchokera ku Bay Area. Takulandilaninso ku Kulimbana ndi Spin, Jane McAlevey.
Jane McAlevey: Zikomo, Janine, ndizabwino kukhala pano.
JJ: Ndizovuta kufotokoza "chifukwa chiyani tsopano?" chifukwa cha chinthu chomwe chakhala vuto kwanthawizonse, koma chikuchitika, ndipo ndikungoganiza kuti chingakhale chovunda kuti chisanduke masewera olimbitsa thupi a grad, pomwe, ngati sitingathe kuzindikira kuyankha koyera komanso koyenera, sitichita ' osachita chilichonse, kupatula pampando-kudzudzula anthu omwe akuyesera kuchita zinazake. Kapena timangowerenga zofalitsa, ndikukhulupirira kuti zomwe amayang'ana ndizo zonse zomwe zili ndi tanthauzo. Nkhani yanu imayamba ndi, CHABWINO, kuitana anthu, otchedwa "kutchula mayina ndi kuchititsa manyazi," ndi chinthu chimodzi-ndipo, mwa njira, tikhoza kuona chifukwa chake ofalitsa angaime pamlingo umenewo; ndi kumene kuli madzi, mukudziwa-koma chimabwera pambuyo pake?
Ndipo zikuwoneka, kwa ine mulimonse, zachibadwa kuyang'ana kwa oteteza mbiri ya anthu kuntchito: mabungwe ogwira ntchito. Koma kenako, mukuona zifukwa zina zosonyeza kuti gulu la ogwira ntchito masiku ano silinakonzekere kwenikweni, kapena kuti silinakonzekere bwino, kuti ligwire ntchitoyo.
JMcA: Ine ndikuganiza zinthu zingapo, ine ndikuganiza, za izo. Kumbali ina, ngakhale kuti mabungwe ogwira ntchito sangakhale m'malo abwino kwambiri omwe takhala tikukumana nawo kuti tithane ndi vutoli, moona mtima - zomwe sizili, monga mukunenera, vuto latsopano; ndi zakale monga nthawi, ndi zakale monga makolo, sichoncho? Koma chosavuta ndichakuti, akadali, ndikuganiza, njira yothandiza kwambiri yomwe tili nayo pakali pano pothana ndi nkhanza zomwe ambiri mwa akazi ogwira ntchito, omwe ndi ogwira ntchito, amavutika kwenikweni m'dziko lathu. Iwo akadali, warts ndi zonse, njira yabwino yothetsera mavuto a tsiku ndi tsiku omwe akazi amadzipeza okha pamene afika kwa olemba ntchito omwe akuvutitsa kugonana. Ndipo, inde, ndikuganiza kuti zimapitilira izi, nazonso, zocheperako zomwe zikuchitika kuntchito.
Chifukwa chake pali zinthu ziwiri kapena zitatu zomwe ndimayesera kuti ndithane nazo m'nkhaniyi. Chimodzi ndi, monga momwe mudanenera, kudutsa dzina ndi manyazi. Ndikutanthauza kuti, sindili bwino kutchula mayina ndi kuchititsa manyazi, [koma] pali mtundu wa zolaula zomwe zimatengera kutchulidwa ndi kuchititsa manyazi. Ndiye anthu akuwerenga nkhani zonse, mukudziwa, munthu uyu anachita izo ndi blah blah blah. Koma ngati ndizo zonse zomwe timachita, tikusowa mphindi yayikulu, ndipo ndizomwe ndikuyesera kuthana nazo m'nkhaniyi.
Kotero chimodzi ndi chofanana, pachithunzi chachikulu, timatani? Ndikutsutsa, monganso mutu wa bukhu langa, Palibe Njira zazifupi, sindikuganiza kuti pali njira zosavuta zothetsera. Zomwe ndimayesera kutsutsa pagawoli ndi ziwiri: Chimodzi, gulu la ogwira ntchito liyenera kuchita zomwe ndimatcha "kulumikiza madontho," pakati pa mphindi ino ndi momwe mayankho enieni amawonekera, omwe ali ndi mgwirizano wamalonda. , kotero kuti chinachake chonga dipatimenti ya anthu ogwira ntchito ya abwana anu chikhoza kuchoka pakukhala, moona, malo owopsa kuti amayi ambiri alowemo ngati ali ndi chigamulo chowachitira zachipongwe kwa abwana awo, chifukwa madipatimenti ogwira ntchito za anthu alipo kuti ateteze abwana, ndipo onetsetsani kuti mabwana awo sakuzengedwa mlandu.
Kupatula pamene muli ndi mgwirizano. Chifukwa, pamene akazi ali ndi mgwirizano, ndipo ngati nkhaniyo ikuchitidwa nkhanza zamtundu wina popitirizabe kuzunzidwa, kaya ndi - mwa njira - malipiro osiyana omwe akuchitika kuntchito, kapena ngati kuzunzidwa kwenikweni kwa kugonana, simutero. ndiyenera kuyenda ndekha. Inu, nthawi zambiri, mumalangizidwa kuti musamayende nokha. Muli ndi woyang'anira sitolo ya mgwirizano kapena ogwira nawo ntchito ndi inu, chifukwa mgwirizano wanu wa mgwirizano udzasonyeza kuti ndinu ololedwa kubweretsa oimira omwe mwawasankha kuchokera ku bungwe; ameneyo akhoza kukhala wantchito mnzako pa ntchito. Mukuyenda osati nokha, mumayenda ndi mboni, mukuyenda ndi njira, mumayenda ndi mphamvu kuti muchitepo kanthu, chifukwa zimachokera ku mgwirizano wogwirizana ndi mgwirizano.
Ndipo ndiko kusiyana kwakukulu pakati pa malo ogwirira ntchito omwe sali otchulidwa ndi malo ogwira ntchito. Kotero izo kwa ine ndi zakuya. Tili m'dziko lino momwe mabungwe amenyedwa kwambiri kotero kuti antchito ambiri alibe, ndiye ndikuganiza sakumvetsetsa momwe angagwirizanitse yankho labwino kwambiri, komabe, ku #Inenso vuto ndi kukhala ndi mgwirizano.
Ndiyeno pali nkhani yachiwiri ine ndimakhala ngati yovuta m'nkhaniyo, yomwe ili kunja kwa #Inenso nthawi yosuntha, pali nkhondo yayikulu yolimbana pakati pa amuna ndi akazi yomwe tikuyenera kukhala nayo mdziko muno, yomwe sitikhala nayo, ndikuti ndiye ndewu yomwe ndikutsutsa gulu la ogwira ntchito kuti likhale nalo, komwe ndikukweza ziyembekezo zomwe akazi m'dziko lino (ndi amuna pankhaniyi, anthu onse, koma kwenikweni akazi) akhoza kumenyera nkhondo ndi kukwaniritsa mtundu wa kufanana pakati pa amuna ndi akazi omwe alongo athu ku Western Europe akwaniritsa zaka zambiri ife tisanakhalepo, monga chisamaliro cha ana onse, chisamaliro chaumoyo padziko lonse, ndalama. Thandizo lomwe limalola amayi kukhala otenga nawo mbali pazantchito.
Kotero ndi magawo awiri amtundu wa nkhani, kuyesera kuti atchule nkhani zonse ziwiri.
JJ: Ndimabwereranso pawonetsero ili ku lingaliro la masomphenya, ndipo chimodzi mwa zinthu zomwe mukunena mu chidutswacho ndi chakuti zinthu izi monga malipiro a amayi ndi abambo olipidwa ndi chisamaliro chaulere cha ana ndi chithandizo chaulere chaumoyo, si pie mu mlengalenga; monga mwaonera, mayiko ena ali ndi zinthu zimenezi. Koma muyenera kuzilingalira kuti mumenyere nkhondo.
JMcA: Inde, ndendende, ndendende. Ndipo ndikuganiza, sikuti kungokhala mlengalenga kokha, komanso, ndikutanthauza, kaya mumawonera kanema wa Michael Moore, Koti Tilowerere Kenako, kapena—tiyenera kudzikumbutsa tokha, uku sikuli “m’mwamba”. Kubwerera ku nthawi yatha ndinali pawonetsero wanu, lomwe linali la bukhu langa Kukweza Zoyembekeza (ndi Kukweza Gahena), Ndikuyitanitsa gulu la ogwira ntchito kuti likweze ziyembekezo pano. Tiyeni tikhazikitse zinthu zingapo zomwe zimakondweretsa anthu pazomwe tikuyitanitsa, zomwe zimapitilira malipiro a $15 pa ola. Zomwe, mwa njira, akazi ambiri m'magawo awiri omwe ndagwira nawo ntchito, maphunziro ndi zaumoyo, ali kale kuposa malipiro a $ 15-ola; zomwe amafunikira ndi chisamaliro chaulere cha ana, chomwe amafunikira ndikuwongolera ndandanda yawo; chomwe amafunikira ndi tchuthi cha amayi ndi abambo, sichoncho? Chifukwa chake ndikupempha gulu la ogwira ntchito kuti likwere, ku masomphenya okulirapo a komwe tikuyenera kupita ngati gulu.
Ndipo ndikuganiza kadontho kachitatu komwe ndikuyesera kulumikiza kumapeto kwa nkhaniyi ndikuti, taonani, ndi nthawi ya Marichi ya Akazi yomwe ikubweranso, pomwe, chikumbutso cha Marichi yayikulu ya Akazi chaka chatha; Ndikutsutsanso gulu la amayi mdziko muno kuti libwerere kumbuyo ndikuvomereza lingaliro loti migwirizano ndiyofunikira. Ngakhale akadali mphamvu imodzi yayikulu mkati mwa hema wopita patsogolo, tikumenyedwa ndi kuphwanyidwa pamisana pakali pano, kotero chomwe tikufuna ndi mphamvu ya mamiliyoni a azimayi akuguba, ndi gulu lonse la zikwangwani zatsopano zomwe. kunena kuti, "Njira yothetsera kufanana pakati pa amuna ndi akazi komanso nkhanza zogonana ndi kukhala ndi mgwirizano wabwino."
Tikaganizira izi, mabungwe ndiwonso bungwe lalikulu la amayi mdziko muno. Ndipotu, ndife, mwachiwerengero, bungwe lalikulu la amayi. Koma mabungwe, tiyeni tiyang'ane nazo, tikuwukiridwa kwambiri, takhala tikuwukiridwa kwambiri, tikuwukiridwanso mozama pansi pa ulamuliro wa Trump; pali zigamulo zowononga zalamulo zomwe zikubwera.
Chifukwa chake m'nkhaniyi ndikuyitanitsa a EMILY's Lists of the world, ndi ma PAC onse, makomiti ochita ndale, omwe amaganizira za jenda, kuti avomereze kuyesedwa koyambirira kwa kuvomereza kulikonse, ndi mtundu uliwonse wa bungwe loyang'ana azimayi kapena Komiti ya ndale yolunjika kwa amayi, ikuyenera kuteteza ndi kukulitsa ufulu wa mabungwe ogwira ntchito kuti akhalepo mdziko muno, chifukwa ndizomwe zitibweretsera zinthu monga chisamaliro cha ana onse.
JJ: Ndipo palibe wa ife amene anyengedwa pa nkhani za m'mabungwe zomwe zili ndi mavuto ndi zomwe zikuvutitsa, ndipo sizokhudza kunyalanyaza izo; koma, pamene mumalankhula za kuyenda nokha, izo zikuwoneka kwa ine kupita ku izi Mafuta a Murphy mlandu, ndipo ndikudabwa ngati mungafotokoze mlandu wa Khoti Lalikulu lomwe omvera mwina sanamvepo kalikonse. Khoti Lalikulu Kwambiri linamva izi mu October; inali ngati nkhani ya tsiku limodzi. Chikuchitika ndi chiyani Bungwe la National Labor Relations Board v. Murphy Oil ndizofunika apa?
JMcA: Mafuta a Murphy kwenikweni…. Nthawi kwa ine ndi pafupifupi chodabwitsa, malinga ndi #Inenso mphindi yosuntha. Sizodabwitsa ponena za kuukira kwautali, komvetsa chisoni kwa ufulu wa ogwira ntchito mdziko muno. Koma Mafuta a Murphy, kwenikweni, adzanena kuti nkwabwino kwa bwana aliyense m’dziko lino kuti apereke lamulo lakuti, pamene wogwira ntchito afika pa tsiku lake loyamba kuntchito, akalembedwa ntchito yatsopano, kukwiriridwa m’mapepala amene analembedwapo. adzasaina (theka lomwe mwina silingawerenge), zikhala chinthu chaching'ono chomwe chimalepheretsa ufulu wawo woyimitsa abwana awo. Zidzachotsa ufulu wawo wotenga nawo mbali pamilandu yamagulu, zomwe, mwa njira, ndi momwe kuchuluka kwa amuna ndi akazi kudachitikira m'mbuyomu. Ufulu wina waukulu, wofunikira kwambiri wofanana, malinga ndi malipiro, zisankho zomwe zatsika m'dziko lino, zakhala zikugwiritsidwa ntchito ndi amayi omwe amatenga milandu yamagulu.
Chifukwa chake, chosangalatsa ndichakuti, panthawi yomwe azimayi ambiri atha kuganiza zoyimirira ndikunena kuti, "Tikufuna kuimba mlandu wotilemba ntchito chifukwa chomuchitira zachipongwe mopitilira muyeso," Mafuta a Murphy mlandu udzalepheretsa akazi kutero. Zikhala zovomerezeka - sizinakhalepo zovomerezeka - zikhala zovomerezeka, poganiza kuti oweruza apanga chigamulo cha 5-4. Murphy, ogwira ntchito tsopano adzakakamizika kusaina mapangano omwe amafanana ndi mgwirizano wa foni yanu, m'makalata a 3-point omwe aikidwa patsamba 12 la mgwirizano wosonkhanitsidwa… kapena makina anu ochapira, ali ngati ogwira ntchito ngati makina ochapira ogula.
Izi ziletsa ogwira ntchito osagwira ntchito, ndiyenera kunena momveka bwino, kuti asachitepo kanthu motsutsana ndi abwana awo. Chodabwitsa, chikugogomezera kufunika kwa migwirizano.
Tawonani, olamulira a Trump ali ndi mapulani khumi opha mabungwe. Koma iwo samangobwera pambuyo pa migwirizano; akutsata ufulu wa ogwira ntchito onse, zomwe ndikuganiza kuti ndi chifukwa chake amatsatira mabungwe, ndipo ndi zomwe Mafuta a Murphy ndi.
Chifukwa chake, ichita china, tikukhulupirira, chomwe ndikuchotsa zomwe zimatchedwa chitetezo cha Gawo 7 pansi pa National Labor Relations Act, zomwe zikutanthauza kuti ndi gawo lovomerezeka kwambiri, lomwe limafikira ku izi: Kuyambira 1935 mdziko muno Lamulo la National Labor Relations Act, ogwira ntchito onse, mosasamala kanthu kuti akuyesera kupanga mgwirizano kapena ayi, anali ndi zomwe zimatchedwa "chitetezo cha ntchito zogwirizanitsa," zomwe zikutanthauza ngati gulu la ogwira ntchito likumana pamodzi kuyesa kuthetsa chinachake pa ntchito. pamodzi, adatetezedwa kuti asachotsedwe. Kukonzekera kumeneku, tikukhulupirira, kudzachotsedwanso ku lamulo, tingoganiza Mafuta a Murphy ndi chigamulo cha 5-4, chomwe tikuganiza kuti chidzakhala. Ndipo izo, iwo ali kwenikweni ndi bullseye pa alt-labor movement.
JJ: Tsopano "gulu la anthu ogwira ntchito," ndilo- anthu akhala akuganiza za Menyerani ndalama zokwana $15, kapena magulu ngati Make the Road, omwe sali mabungwe omwe….
JMcA: -Restaurant Opportunities Center, ndendende, magulu onse omwe akhala akuwonetsa kupambana kwenikweni, akhala akugwiritsa ntchito kwambiri chitetezo cha Gawo 7 pansi pa Lamuloli, koma osati chifukwa chokhazikitsa mgwirizano. Ngati Mafuta a Murphy akudutsa, tikukhulupirira kuti achotsa chitetezo cha Gawo 7, zomwe zidzakankhira anthu kuti akhale ndi chitetezo chokhazikika ngati akufuna kupanga mgwirizano, zomwe ziri zodabwitsa, kupatula, kachiwiri, tikudziwa kuti. ndi njira zina zotsutsana ndi mgwirizano wamalonda zomwe olamulira a Trump [akuchita], monga kuchotsera onse okakamiza ku National Labor Relations Board; sangapangitse kukhala kosavuta kukhala ndi chitetezo ku National Labor Relations Act, ngakhale akuyesera kupanga mgwirizano, sichoncho? Ichi ndichifukwa chake mkangano wanga wamoyo wonse ndikuti, pafunika kulinganiza zambiri zamkati komanso thandizo la anthu ammudzi kuti timangenso gulu la ogwira ntchito, lomwe ndi chithandizo chomwe tikufunikira pakali pano kuchokera ku gulu la amayi.
JJ: Ndikuganiza kuti anthu ali ndi chidwi chenicheni, ena a iwo kwa nthawi yoyamba, momwe angasinthire, mukudziwa, momwe mungakonzekere - osasokonezedwa ndikulemba malingaliro anu kapena kugawana nkhani. Facebook-zochita zovomerezeka mwangwiro mwa iwo okha, osati zofanana ndi kulinganiza. Ndimakumbukira Alicia Garza kulankhula za kukhala mu zipinda zodyeramo za anthu, mawondo mpaka mawondo, inu mukudziwa.
JMcA: Mwamtheradi!
JJ: Ndipo muyenera kukhala, komanso, chiphunzitso cha kusintha, muyenera kuganizira za momwe kusintha kumachitikira, sichoncho?
JMcA: Inde, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti bondo ndi bondo ndilabwino. Timalankhula zambiri zakukonzekera maso ndi maso. Anthu ambiri amandiuza kuti, "Ukudziwa, Jane, nthawi yamasewera ochezera a pa Intaneti, chifukwa chiyani tiyenera kukonzekera maso ndi maso?" Ndipo chowonadi ndichakuti, palibe njira yoti, pokhazikitsa ubale wa tweeting ndi munthu, mudzatha kumunyamula munthuyo panthawi yowopsa kwambiri. Ndipo mantha ndiye chida chosankha, osati ndi oyendetsa mabungwe okha, koma, popeza mudatchula Alicia Garza, kulondola, kaya ndi apolisi okhazikika, kaya ... ? Mantha ndiye chida cha kutsutsa kwathu, ndipo kuti anthu adutse nthawi zowopsa, nthawi zambiri amayenera kupanga mgwirizano wa maso ndi mawondo ndi anthu omwe akulimbana nawo. Ndipo ndilo gawo la zomwe kukonzekera kuli.
JJ: Takhala tikulankhula ndi Jane McAlevey. Buku lake laposachedwapa ndi Palibe Njira Yachidule: Kukonzekera Mphamvu mu Nyengo Yatsopano Yotha. Mutha kupeza nkhani yake, "Chiyani #Inenso Atha Kuphunzitsa Gulu Lantchito," pa intaneti pa InTheseTimes.org.
Jane McAlevey, zikomo kwambiri chifukwa chobwera nafe sabata ino Kulimbana ndi Spin!
JMcA: Zikomo
Janine Jackson ndi wotsogolera pulogalamu ya FAIR komanso wopanga / wolandila pulogalamu yapawayilesi yapawailesi ya CounterSpin ya FAIR. Amathandizira pafupipafupi kalata ya FAIR Extra!, ndikusindikizanso The FAIR Reader: Zowonjezera! Ndemanga ya Press ndi Ndale mu '90s (Westview Press). Adawonekera pa ABC's Nightline ndi CNN Headline News, pakati pa malo ena, ndipo adachitira umboni ku Senate Communications Subcommittee pakuvomerezanso bajeti ya Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Zolemba zake zawoneka m'mabuku osiyanasiyana, kuphatikiza In These Times ndi UAW's Solidarity, komanso m'mabuku kuphatikiza Ufulu Wachibadwidwe Kuyambira 1787 (New York University Press) ndi Stop the Next War Now: Mayankho Ogwira Ntchito ku Chiwawa ndi Uchigawenga (New World Library). Jackson ndi omaliza maphunziro ku Sarah Lawrence College ndipo ali ndi MA mu sociology kuchokera ku New School for Social Research.
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