Janine Jackson adafunsa Noel Hanrahan pamwambo wandende wadziko lonse Seputembara 16, 2016, gawo of Kulimbana ndi Spin. Ichi ndi cholembedwa chosinthidwa mopepuka.
Janine Jackson: Akaidi zikwizikwi m'maboma ena a 24 omwe adanyanyala ntchito pa Seputembala 9, akutsutsa ntchito yawo yowakakamiza kuti asalipidwe kapena kulipidwa pang'ono, komanso mikhalidwe ina yowopsa komanso yopanda thanzi yomwe ikukumana ndi anthu opitilira 2 miliyoni omwe ali m'ndende ku United States. .
Makanema amakampani sakanawonetsa chidwi chochepa. Mmodzi CBS lipoti, ndi AP nkhani, ndi nkhani zina za m'deralo ku Florida ndi Alabama zinali za izo, monga ife tepi pa September 15. The US, ife tikuuzidwa, chinkhoswe mu nkhani zatsopano kwambiri za kumangidwa misa. Asiyireni kwa ofalitsa osankhika kuti aganize kuti atha kuchititsa zokambiranazo popanda kulankhula ndi anthu omangidwa.
Kulumikizana nafe kuti tikambirane za sitiraka komanso zovuta zake ndi Noelle Hanrahan. Ndi mtolankhani wofufuza, wofufuza payekha, komanso director of the multimedia production studio Wailesi yakundende. Amalumikizana nafe pafoni kuchokera ku Philadelphia. Takulandilaninso ku Kulimbana ndi Spin, Noelle Hanrahan.
Noelle Hanrahan: Zikomo pondipatsa.
JJ: Kutengera ukapolo pofotokoza za ntchito ya kundende, monga tamva ena okonza akaidi amachitira, si fanizo. 13th Amendment inaletsa ukapolo ku 1865 "kupatula ngati chilango chaupandu chomwe chipanicho chidzaweruzidwa." Kodi ndi mikhalidwe yotani ya ntchito ndi mikhalidwe ina imene akaidi omenyedwa anali kuyembekezera kusonyeza chisamaliro?
NH: Ndikuganiza kuti tikuyenera kuzindikira kuti ndende zonse mdziko muno zimachokera kundende. Iwo sakanakhoza kuthamanga popanda akaidi. Chotero 98 peresenti ya ntchito zonse zimene zachitidwa kuti asungire ntchito zomanga nyumba zazikuluzikuluzi, unyinji wochuluka wa nyumba za anthu, kwenikweni, zimachitidwa ndi akaidi. Ndipo ndiyo ntchito yaikulu. Palinso makampani ena omwe amabwera ndikugwiritsa ntchito antchito, koma si vuto lalikulu. Vuto lalikulu ndikusunga anthu ogwira ntchito.
Chifukwa chake anthu akuyembekezeredwa kumangidwa m'dziko lino kuposa dziko lina lililonse padziko lapansi. Mmodzi mwa anthu 99 ali m'ndende, mmodzi mwa anthu 46 adzakhala m'ndende, ndipo ngati muwonjezera mumtundu, mmodzi mwa amuna atatu akuda adzachita m'ndende. Choncho chuma chikuyang'ana anthu mwa fuko, kalasi komanso malo. Zomwe amafunikira, mwaumunthu: zothandizira maphunziro, ntchito, ntchito ndi gulu lomwe limapereka zosowa za aliyense.
JJ: Ndizosangalatsa kuti mukunena za ndende ngati chuma, chomwe ndi chimango cha sitiraka iyi, koma ndikuganiza kuti ikhoza kukhala njira yatsopano yowonera anthu ena. Free Alabama Movement ndiyofunikira pano ngati okonza ndende. Ndipo woyambitsa nawo, Kinetic Justice, ananena ndendende mfundo iyi; iye anati, tinazenga kupempha makhoti, tinayesa kuchita apilo ku nyumba za malamulo ponena za mikhalidwe yathu. Tinalemba makalata, tinachita zonsezi ndi ndondomeko ya ndale, ndipo sizinathandize. Ndipo tidazindikira kuti iyi ndi bizinesi yazachuma, ndipo tsopano tikukonzekera ntchito yathu.
NH: Pali njira ziwiri zowonera. Chimodzi ndichoti, ngati uli kunja kwa ndende. Chisankho chilichonse cha bajeti mdera lanu, chigawo, chigawo, feduro - chimatengera pafupifupi ndalama zomwe tikugwiritsa ntchito kundende zathu. Timasankha, tikuwononga ndalama kundende ndikusunga anthu kapena masukulu. Ndikutanthauza, zomwezo zinganenedwenso ponena za nkhondo. Koma izi ndi zinthu ziwiri zazikulu zamatikiti. Kulondola?
Tsopano, chinthu china ndi, mkati mwa ndende, muli anthu ochuluka, mamiliyoni, 2 miliyoni, kuphatikizapo anthu onse omwe ali m'ndende za mumzinda ndi ndende za m'madera. Tikukamba za kumalo kumene anthu akuponderezedwa ndipo kuti mikhalidwe yomwe amavutika ndi yoipitsitsa ndipo ili ndi tsankho, kwambiri, kwambiri, mofanana kwambiri ndi ukapolo. Ngati anthu amakana kupita kuntchito, ngati akukana kulowa pamzere, ngati akukana kuchita zinthu zosavuta, nthawi zambiri amachitidwa nkhanza kwambiri, ndipo nthawi zambiri amaikidwa m'magulu odzipatula ndi olamulira ndi dzenje. Pafupifupi bungwe lililonse ku United States lili ndi gawo la tsankho lomwe limagwiritsidwa ntchito ngati gawo lachilango. Amagwiritsa ntchito kuchepetsa kalori. Njala zambiri zomwe taziwona, mu zionetsero zina zomwe taziwonapo, zidachokera pazilango zochepetsera zopatsa mphamvu, kuti kwenikweni anali kutenga chakudya cha anthu ndi maulendo ndi zovala.
JJ: Ndipo mukunena kuti ndi nkhani yazachuma mkati mwa ndende komanso nkhani zachuma kudera lomwe ndendeyo ili.
NH: Matupi a akaidi ndi katundu, ndipo tingathe kuona zimenezi m’njira zingapo. Pamene madera akumtunda kapena akumidzi ali ndi ndende zomwe zilimo, amapeza oimira, owonjezera a congresspeople. Tsopano, akaidi saloledwa kuvota, koma madera omwe akaidiwo amasungidwa ndi kusungidwa awonjezera oimira. Ndiye ichi ndi chitsanzo chimodzi chodziwika bwino cha momwe amapangira matupi a akaidi.
JJ: Ndinkafuna kuti ndizindikire izi lipoti on CBS MoneyWatch ndi Aimee Picchi, yomwe inali yodalirika, ndipo panali, monga ndikunena, zidutswa zina zochepa. Koma kwenikweni ngati anthu adamva za nkhaniyi, adamva kuchokera kwa anthu omwe amalankhulana kunja kwa ma TV ndi kuzungulira makampani. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ndizokhumudwitsa komanso zopatsa chiyembekezo. Mwakhala mukugwira ntchito yolimbana ndi izi kwa zaka zambiri tsopano. Kodi mukuwona kusintha kapena kusintha kwa ofalitsa nkhani pa ufulu wa omangidwa?
NH: Ndikuganiza kuti nkhaniyi ndi yaikulu kwambiri mu chikhalidwe chifukwa pali anthu ambiri omwe ali m'ndende, simungawone. Ndiyenso, padziko lonse lapansi, tachoka kwambiri. Ndikutanthauza, sizinachitikepo padziko lonse lapansi, mtundu wandende womwe tili nawo. Palibe wina aliyense amene amachita mwanjira imeneyi. Komanso pazaka 30 mpaka 40 zapitazi, takhala tikumangidwa. Tsopano, kwenikweni, ambiri mwa mfundozi ndi zaupandu-zimapanga umbanda. Choncho ndi mkombero woipa kwambiri kuti tiyenera kuchokamo.
Ndipo ndikuganiza zomwe timafunikira kwambiri, ndikuti timafunikira kuwala kowoneka bwino, koyera-kutentha kowala pankhaniyi, ndipo takhala tikuzisowa izi kuchokera kumanyuzipepala, chifukwa, mwina, kuwonongedwa kwa zipinda zofufuzira. Komanso olimba mtima aphungu. Ndinapita kukapeza digiri ya masters in crime justice ku Boston University, chifukwa ndinali wokhumudwa kwambiri ndi mmene zinthu zinalili, ndipo m’maphunziro amenewo sitinaphunzirepo kalikonse kunja kwa US; zinali zokhuza kukonza dongosolo losweka ili. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kuyang'ana pozungulira, chifukwa palibe, palibe amene amachita motere. Tili ndi ziwawa zambiri ndipo tili ndi upandu wochuluka, ndipo tili ndi anthu omangidwa mochuluka kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi.
Ndipo timafunikira chizolowezi chothetsa. Timafunikira chizolowezi chobwerera ku chilungamo chobwezeretsa. Izi zomwe takhala tikukumana nazo kwa zaka 40 zapitazi zikuyenera kusintha kwambiri thanzi la anthu.
JJ: Kunyanyalako sikunangophulika, ndithudi; inakonzedwa kwa nthawi ndithu. Pakhala zolembedwa zoyitanira kuchitapo kanthu kuchokera kumagulu osiyanasiyana, malamulo achitsanzo, monga tikunenera; idakonzedwa kuti ichitike chaka cha 45 cha kuwukira kwa Attica. Titha kuyembekezera kuwona zambiri zamtunduwu, mukuganiza, kuchokera kwa akaidi?
NH: Kumene mumapondereza anthu komanso komwe kuli kukondera ndi khalidwe loipa, kumene kuli kusowa kwa chithandizo chamankhwala, kumene kuli anthu omwe akumwalira m'ndende m'ndende, mudzawona kukana. Ndipo mudzawona anthu akutengadi njira zopititsira patsogolo ulemu wawo waumunthu ndikudziwonetsera okha. Kotero izi sizisiya. Idzatsogoleredwa ndi mkati; anthu mkati mwa ndende azitsogolera izi. Ndipo izo zakhala zikuyenda njira yonse kudutsa dziko. Ndikutanthauza, zakhala zikuchitika ponseponse. Tinaona njala ku California, tinaona sitiraka ku Ohio, tinaona sitiraka ku Wisconsin. Sizidzatha, chifukwa anthu adzafuna ufulu wawo.
JJ: Takhala tikulankhula ndi Noelle Hanrahan. Noelle Hanrahan, zikomo kwambiri chifukwa chobwera nafe sabata ino Kulimbana ndi Spin.
NH: Zikomo.
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