Ngakhale akuyembekeza kuti 2020 Elizabeth Warren ndi Bernie Sanders nthawi zambiri amagwirizana pazanyengo ku holo ya CNN yolimbana ndi nyengo Lachitatu madzulo, ofuna kusankhidwa adapatukana pafunso lokhazikitsa zofunikira za boma. Bernie ndi wamalingaliro, pomwe Warren akutsutsa. Timalankhula ndi mtolankhani Kate Aronoff.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Tiyeni titembenukire kwa membala wa omvera akufunsa Senator Elizabeth Warren.
ROBERT WOOD: Bernie Sanders wavomereza lingaliro la umwini wazinthu zothandizira anthu, ponena kuti sitingathe kuthetsa vutoli mokwanira popanda kuchotsa cholinga chopindulitsa pakugawa zofunikira monga mphamvu. Monga purezidenti, kodi mungalole kuyitanitsa capitalism mwanjira iyi ndikulimbikitsa umwini wazinthu zathu?
WERENGANI. ELIZABETI WARREN: Gosh, mukudziwa, sindikutsimikiza kuti ndi zomwe zimakufikitsani ku yankho. Ndine wokonzeka kwathunthu kutenga makampani akuluakulu. Ndikuganiza kuti ndadziwika kuti ndimachita izi kamodzi kapena kawiri. Koma, kwa ine, ndikuganiza momwe timafikira kumeneko timangonena, โPepani, anyamata, koma pofika 2035, mwatha. Simudzagwiritsanso ntchito mafuta opangira kaboni,โ zomwe zimatifikitsa pamalo oyenera. Ndipo ngati wina akufuna kupanga phindu pomanga mapanelo adzuwa abwino komanso kupanga mabatire abwinoko, sindikutsutsana nazo. Chomwe ndimatsutsa ndi pamene amazichita m'njira yopweteka wina aliyense. Simukuyenera kuyika ndalama izi kunja. Ndilo vuto la mafuta amafuta pakali pano.
Ndikuganiza kuti njira yabwino yomwe timapitira patsogolo apa ndikutsegula mwayi. Timatsegula mwayi. Timayika ndalama mu sayansi. Timayika ndalama popanga. Timayika ndalama mu zidutswa zomwe zimatilola kupanga tsogolo limodzi kupita mtsogolo. Koma inde, ndikungofuna kumveketsa bwino: Tiyenera kukhala ndi malamulo okhwima omwe timalolera kuwatsatira. Ndipo izi zikutanthauza kuti tiyenera kukhala okonzeka kulimbana ndi mafakitale akuluakuluwa. Ndipo ndipamene zinthu zonse zimayambira kwa ine. Timawaika pamapazi awo akumbuyo, ndiye kuti tili ndi mwayi weniweni woti tisinthe.
AMY GOODMAN: Chifukwa chake, ndi Senator Elizabeth Warren akuyankha funso la wolemba komanso wokonza zanyengo ku Brooklyn, Robert Wood, pa tawuni yazovuta zanyengo ku Hall Lachitatu usiku. Chifukwa chake, Kate, kodi mungayankhe pa zomwe Warren adanena pazamwini wazinthu zofunikira pagulu komanso udindo wa Sanders, komanso kuti kutsogolo kwa holo yatawuniyi Greenpeace adayika onse omwe akufuna, ndipo Sanders adabwera koyamba, kutsatiridwa ndi Warren? Kodi mukugwirizana ndi mfundo imeneyi, ndipo mukuganiza kuti zokambirana za mโtauniyo zinatsimikizira zimenezo?
KATE ARONOFF: Eya, ine ndikuganiza izo nzolondola ndendende. Ndipo ndikuganiza zomwe, mukudziwa, usiku watha zomwe zidatsimikizika - ngati sizinali zodziwikiratu m'mbuyomu, ndikuti Sanders ndi Warren ndiye omwe ali pachiwopsezo chanyengo mumpikisanowu. Iwo ali ndi zolinga zazikulu kwambiri zothetsera vutoli. Amangowoneka omasuka kulankhula za izi kuposa momwe wina aliyense ali pa siteji.
Ndipo kotero, ndikutanthauza, nthawi imeneyo kuyankhula za umwini wa anthu ndizosangalatsa, chifukwa mapulani a Sanders ndi Warren ndi ofunitsitsa kwambiri, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti akuwonetsa kusiyana kwakukulu pakati pawo, sichoncho? Chifukwa chake, mukudziwa, dongosolo la Sanders likufuna kukulitsa umwini wa mphamvu za anthu, zomwe, zafalikira kale ku US. Tili ndi zida zambiri zaboma pano. Ndipo mtundu wa zomwe amazindikiritsa ndikuti, mukudziwa, kukhala ndi zida izi, zomwe zimatha kugwiritsa ntchito ndalama zambiri kuwononga ndale, monga momwe amachitira pafupipafupi, kutha kupeza phindu m'malo moyika ndalama pazinthu monga chitetezo ndi chitetezo. zomangamanga ndi zongowonjezwdwa, zomwe ndizovuta pakusinthaku, pomwe ndikuganiza kuti Warren, momwe amafotokozera apa, ndikuti akufuna kukhazikitsa gawo lamasewera. Akufuna kukhazikitsa malamulo okhwima omwe makampaniwa angagwire ntchito.
Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti vuto, lomwe ndingatsutse zomwe ananena, sikuti sikuti makampaniwa akuwononga chifukwa amaloledwa kupanga zakunja padziko lapansi zomwe sizikulipidwa bwino kapena kulibe. malamulo ndi malamulo oyenera omwe ali nawo; ndikuti ali ndi mtundu wabizinesi womwe sugwirizana ndi kuthetsa vutoli. Mtundu wawo wonse wamabizinesi ndikupeza ndikukumba ndikugulitsa mafuta ochulukirapo. Ndipo palibe umboni womveka wosonyeza kuti atsala pangโono kusintha zimenezo.
Ndipo kotero, mukudziwa, ndikuganiza kuti ili ndi funso lalikulu kwa aliyense wopikisana nawo pampikisanowu, ndilakuti: Kodi tsogolo lamakampani opangira mafuta ophatikizika ndi lotani? Ndipo ndikuganiza, mukudziwa, kusiya njira yapagulu, makamaka, patebulo, kaya zothandizira kapena makampani opangira mafuta, sindikuganiza kuti ndi njira yomwe tili nayo. Ndipo ndikuganiza zomwe Sanders amapanga ndikupanga ndodo, kwenikweni, kuti zida zinene kuti, mukudziwa, titha kukubweretsani kukhala umwini wa anthu. Pakhoza kukhala - pali njira zina zochitira izi zomwe sizikukhudza cholinga chanu chopindula. Chifukwa chake, ndikuganiza kuti Sanders amadzutsa izi.
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