Kuyankhulana ndi Leslie Cagan, wogwirizanitsa dziko la United for Peace and Justice, lochitidwa ndi Scott Harris pa June 27, 2005.
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Kafukufuku waposachedwa wa anthu akuwonetsa kuti anthu aku America akuchulukirachulukira tsopano akutsutsa lingaliro la boma la Bush loyambitsa nkhondo ya Iraq komanso kupitilira kwakupha anthu. Kafukufuku wa Washington Post-ABC News adapeza kuti oposa theka la aku America amakhulupirira kuti nkhondoyi sinapange US kukhala otetezeka. Kafukufuku wa Gallup adapeza kuti 56 peresenti akukhulupirira kuti nkhondo yochotsa boma la Saddam Hussein sinali yoyenera kudzipereka ndipo 60 peresenti imakonda kuchepetsedwa kwa asitikali aku US omwe adatumizidwa ku Iraq.
Pambuyo pa imfa ya asitikali opitilira 1,700 aku America komanso kufalitsa nkhani za memo yaku Britain Downing Street zomwe zidakayikitsa zomwe Purezidenti Bush adanena pankhondoyo, ma Democrats ena komanso ochepa aku Republican ku Congress tsopano akufuna poyera kuti pakhale nthawi yoti achitepo kanthu. kuchotsedwa kwa asitikali aku US ku Iraq. Purezidenti Bush akutsutsa mwamphamvu kusuntha koteroko ndipo adanenanso mu nkhani ya dziko la June 28 chikhulupiriro chake kuti pali "njira yomveka bwino ya chigonjetso" ku Iraq.
M'chaka chathachi, gulu lamtendere la US laika mphamvu zake zambiri pakukonzekera zokonzekera zakomweko. Koma magulu odana ndi nkhondo tsopano akukonzekera zionetsero zazikulu mwezi wa September mu likulu la dzikoli kuti apereke mawu otsutsana ndi nkhondo. Pakati pa The Lines 'Scott Harris analankhula ndi Leslie Cagan, wogwirizanitsa dziko la United for Peace and Justice, yemwe akukambirana zolinga za ntchito zotsutsana ndi nkhondo zomwe zikukonzedwa ndi mgwirizano wamagulu amtendere pa Sept. 24 kupyolera mu 26 ku Washington, DC.
LESLIE CAGAN: United for Peace and Justice, monga ndikutsimikiza kuti omvera anu ambiri adzakumbukira, ndiye mgwirizano waukulu kwambiri wotsutsana ndi nkhondo mdziko muno. Tili ndi magulu opitilira 1,000 padziko lonse lapansi.
Tinaganiza, kwenikweni, kubwerera ku msonkhano wathu wadziko lonse wa February kuti mu September kudzakhala nthawi yabwino komanso yofunika kukhala ndi chionetsero chachikulu chotsutsa nkhondo. Pamene zinthu zakhala zikuchitika, tazindikira kwenikweni kufunika kwake. Ndipo zomwe tikukonzekera kuchita ndikukhala ndi masiku atatu olimbana ndi nkhondo ku Washington, DC. Loweruka; Lamlungu pa Seputembala 24 ndiyeno tiitana anthu kuti adzakhale nafe Lolemba pa 25.
Loweruka, tidzachita misa - ndipo tikuganiza kuti anthu ambiri adzabwera - kuguba ndi msonkhano. Tikuganiza kuti tisachite nawo msonkhano wakale womwe umachitika nthawi zambiri pamisonkhanoyi, koma chinthu chomwe chimakhala chogwirizana kwambiri ngati chisangalalo, chikondwerero chokana, chilungamo chotsutsana ndi nkhondo. Mulimonse, izo zidzakhala Loweruka, ndipo kale mphamvu ikukula; pali chidwi chachikulu pa izi, ndipo monga ndidanenera, nthawi yake ndiyabwino.
Lamlungu madzulo, tidzachita msonkhano wa zipembedzo zosiyanasiyana, ndipo tidzayesanso kupanga chochitika chachikulu chomwe zipembedzo zosiyanasiyana zizikhala mbali ya pulogalamuyi. Komanso Lamlungu, tikhala tikuchita maphunziro a tsiku lolandirira alendo ku Capitol Hill komwe anthu azichezera mamembala awo a Nyumbayi, komanso maseneta awo Lolemba - kotero maphunziro awo azikhala Lamlungu.
Komanso Lolemba, padzakhala mchitidwe wosamvera zachiwawa, kotero kuti maphunziro a izi adzachitikanso Lamlungu. Ndipo tikuganiza kuti pamene tikuyandikira zochitika zina, zochitika za maphunziro, zochitika zina zotsutsa zidzakonzedwanso zomwe zidzakhala gawo la phukusi lonse la sabata.
Mwachiwonekere, zakhala zofunikira kuyambira tsiku loyamba kuti ziwonetsero zamtundu uwu zichitike, koma pali nkhani zowopsya tsiku lililonse kuchokera ku Iraq - nkhondo iyi ndi ntchito ikupitirirabe - kuti ndizofunika kwambiri kuti tizikakamiza White. Nyumba ndi ku Congress kuti tichite zonse zomwe tingathe kuwakakamiza kuti asiye nkhondoyi.
Chosangalatsa kwambiri pa nthawiyi ndikuti zinthu zikuwoneka kuti zikusintha mdziko muno. Sikuti zisankho zaposachedwa za anthu mobwerezabwereza zikuwonetsa anthu ambiri, kuchuluka kwa anthu mdziko muno akutsutsa nkhondoyo ndikufuna kuti ithe, komanso pali ming'alu yomwe ikutsegulidwa ku Congress, m'mabwalo opanga mfundo ku Washington. Zinthu monga memo ya Downing Street yomwe idatuluka ku London masabata angapo apitawo ndikutsimikizira zomwe tonse timadziwa - kuti Purezidenti ananama zankhondoyi.
Chifukwa chake, pali zambiri zomwe zikuchitika zomwe zikutipangitsa kuganiza kuti sikofunikira kokha kukhalabe ndi zochitika zatsiku ndi tsiku zomwe anthu ambiri akuchita kuzungulira dzikolo, koma kuti ndi nthawi yakugwa - ndipo kachiwiri 'ndasankha kumapeto kwa sabata la Seputembara 24 kwa anthu ochokera osati ku East Coast kokha, koma kulikonse komwe angayende kuchokera kuzungulira dzikolo, kuti abwere pamodzi ku Washington ndikutumiza uthenga wamphamvu.
PAKATI PA Mzere: Leslie, uthenga wofunikira kapena zofuna zomwe zikutuluka m'masiku ano a ziwonetsero mu Seputembala ndi chiyani?
LESLIE CAGAN: Chabwino, chofunika kwambiri, chofunika kwambiri ndi chomwe takhala nacho kuyambira pachiyambi, ndiye kuti tiyenera kuthetsa nkhondo ku Iraq ndipo asilikali athu akuyenera kubweretsedwa kunyumba tsopano. Izi zakhala zofuna za United for Peace and Justice kuyambira tsiku loyamba. Sitinagwedezeke pa izi ndipo timaganizabe kuti ndizofunikira.
Iyi ndi nkhondo yomwe siinayenera kuchitika. Ndi nkhondo aliyense, dziko lonse lapansi, likudziwa kuti inali nkhondo yozikidwa pa mabodza. Kuti njira yachangu yothetsera nkhondoyi ndikuthetsa - ndikulengeza, ndikulengeza - kwa opanga mfundo za US kulengeza kuti nkhondoyi yatha ndipo tikubweretsa asilikali athu kunyumba. Ndizomwe tikuganiza kuti ndi njira yofulumira kwambiri yosinthira zinthu ku Iraq.
Pankhani ya zofunikira zazikuluzi, pali zofunikira zina zomwe tikhala tikupanga. Mwachitsanzo, tikuganiza kuti ndi nthawi yoti olembera usilikali achoke m'masukulu athu. Tikudziwa kuti madera athu akusokonezedwa ndi nkhondoyi. Kotero mmalo mwa mabiliyoni a madola kupita kunkhondo, tikufuna kuti ndalama zibwere m'madera athu komanso mapulogalamu omwe timafunikira ndalama.
Chifukwa chake pali maulalo angapo omwe tikhala tikupanga kumapeto kwa sabata, koma vuto lalikulu pano ndikuthetsa nkhondo ku Iraq ndikubweretsa asitikali athu kunyumba.
Lumikizanani ndi mgwirizano wapadziko lonse wa United for Peace and Justice poyimbira (212) 868-5545 kapena pitani patsamba lawo. http://www.unitedforpeace.org
Scott Harris ndi wopanga wamkulu wa Between The Lines, yomwe imatha kumveka pamawayilesi opitilira 35 komanso mu RealAudio ndi MP3 patsamba lathu. http://www.btlonline.org. Nkhani yofunsa mafunsoyi idawonetsedwa pawailesi yapawailesi yopambana mphoto, yopangidwa sabata iliyonse, Pakati pa Mizere ya sabata yotsiriza pa Julayi 8, 2005. This Between The Lines Q&A idapangidwa ndi Scott Harris ndi Anna Manzo.
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