Miyezi iwiri yapitayo, Jeanette Vizguerra adalumpha kukalowa nawo ayezi akuluakulu ndipo mmalo mwake anathawira ku mpingo wa First Unitarian Society, pamodzi ndi ana ake anayi, atatu mwa iwo ndi obadwa ku US. Demokalase Tsopano! posachedwapa anachezera Jeanette ndi mwana wake wamwamuna wazaka 10, Roberto, ku tchalitchi cha First Unitarian Society ku Denver.
AMY GOODMAN: izi ndi Demokarase Tsopano!, democracynow.org, Lipoti la Nkhondo ndi Mtendere. Ndine Amy Goodman. Tsopano tikupita ku Denver, Colorado, kumene mayi wa ana anayi akulimbana ndi kuthamangitsidwa komwe kungatheke pofunafuna malo opatulika kutchalitchi. Jeanette Vizguerra adalumpha kulowa komwe adakonzekera ayezi akuluakulu ndipo mmalo mwake anathawira ku mpingo wa First Unitarian Society pamodzi ndi ana ake anayi, atatu mwa iwo ndi obadwa ku US. Jeanette anabwera ku US kuchokera ku Mexico mu 1997. Iye ndi mmodzi mwa omwe anayambitsa Metro Denver Sanctuary Coalition. Iye wathandiza anthu ena othawa kwawo opanda zikalata kufunafuna malo opatulika. M'mbuyomu adapambana maulendo asanu othamangitsidwa, koma adati Lachitatu akukayikira kuti atha kupambananso chimodzimodzi pansi pa kayendetsedwe ka Trump.
We anafunsa iye atangolowa mu mpingo miyezi iwiri yapitayo. Koma kumapeto kwa sabata ino, nditapita ku Denver, ndinapita ku Jeanette kuti ndikafufuze momwe kukhala kwake kwakhalira. Ndipo ndinalankhula naye komanso mwana wake Roberto, wazaka 10, kutchalitchi. Ndinayamba ndi kufunsa Roberto chifukwa chimene amayi ake akukhala kutchalitchi.
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Iye ali mu mpingo chifukwa pali anthu awa, omwe ali ngati gulu la anthu otchulidwa ayezi, kuti iye—iye amafuna kupita kwa mmodzi wa iwo, monga—[akulankhula Chispanya]
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: Lembetsani.
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Eya, polowa, anayesa kupanga mapepala kuti akhalebe kuno motalikirapo, kenako adakana. Koma asanapite kokalembetsa, anaganiza zobwera kuno. Ndiyeno, mmodzi wa abwenzi a amayi anga, amene ndi m’busa dzina lake Ann, anapita kukawachitira ntchitoyo. Ndipo Ann ananena kuti pamene analowa mkati, munali kale ayezi akuluakulu m'menemo, okonzeka kuwamanga amayi anga. Kotero pamene iye analowa, iye anangopanga mapepala, ndipo zimenezo. Ndipo amayi ankaona kuti ndi bwino kuchita zimenezi m’mbuyomo chifukwa ankadziwa kuti mwina pali vuto ndipo mwina akanamangidwa. Ndipo ife timamuyendera iye nthawizina, chifukwa ife sitikufuna kuti iye azingokhala muno ndi kukhala wopanda chochita, kukhala wosungulumwa. Ndipo tangobwera kuno kuti amve kukondwa kutiona tikadali.
AMY GOODMAN: Mukuwopa chiyani?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Monga ena ayezi munthu amangotuluka ndikumunyamula ndikupita naye.
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi mumadziona ngati omenyera ufulu?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Inde.
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi zimenezi zikutanthauza chiyani kwa inu?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Kukhala womenyera ufulu? Zimatanthauza zambiri, chifukwa tsopano ndikudziwa kuti sindidzangokhala mnyamata wabwino, ndikudziwa kuti ndidzakhala munthu wothandiza wina amene akudutsa m'mavuto aakulu.
AMY GOODMAN: Nanga anzako amakuuza chiyani?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Iwo amati, “Ndine wosangalala kwambiri kuti mayi ako sanandimvere ayezi, chifukwa ngati akanatero, ndikudziwa kuti mungakhale achisoni kwambiri.” Ndipo amandithandiza kwambiri, chifukwa amadziwa zomwe ndikukumana nazo. Ndipo pafupifupi tsiku lililonse munthu amandifunsa, "Hey, amayi ako akadali bwino?"
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo mumawauza chiyani?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Ali bwino. Palibe chimene chamuchitikira. Ndipo palibe chimene chidzamuchitikire.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo inu mukudziwa zimenezo chifukwa?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Chifukwa ndikudziwa kuti ali pamalo otetezeka. Ndipo kukakhala kupanda ulemu akangothyola apa ndikutenga mayi anga. Izi zingawapatse mbiri yoyipa.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye sangatuluke panja, koma iweyo umamupitira panja?
ROBERTO VIZGUERRA: Inde. Ndimakhala ngati mawu ake.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndine mawu a amayi anga. Ameneyo anali Roberto wazaka 10, mwana wa Jeanette Vizguerra. Jeanette akulimbana ndi kuthamangitsidwa komwe kungachitike pofunafuna malo opatulika ku tchalitchi cha Unitarian ku Denver. Pamene ndinalankhula ndi Roberto ndi Jeanette, anali atakhalanso ndi mwana wake wamkazi wazaka 6, Zury. Ndinamufunsa Jeanette zolinga zake tsopano, popeza tsopano watha pafupifupi miyezi iwiri kutchalitchi.
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: [kumasulira] Eya, patha pafupifupi miyezi iwiri. Sindinazindikire kuti pakhala nthawi yayitali, chifukwa ndili wotanganidwa kwambiri. Palibe mapulani opita patsogolo. Tiyenera kudikira. Loya wanga akugwira ntchito molimbika pamlandu wanga, pomwe nthawi yomweyo ndikuyang'ana njira zomwe zimagwirizana ndi anthu ammudzi, chifukwa ndi amene amayang'anira zamalamulo, ndipo ine, monga womenyera ufulu, ndimayang'anira mbali za dera. Kotero, ndikungodikira. Ndanena kuti ndine munthu wodekha.
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi mwakonzekera ayezi kulowa nthawi ina iliyonse?
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: [kumasulira] Inde. Tili ndi dongosolo la mkati muno ku tchalitchi, osati ku tchalitchi kuno kokha, komanso kutchalitchi kumene Ingrid ali, yemwe ali ku tchalitchi china ku Mountain View. Wakhala m’malo opatulika kwa miyezi yoposa itatu. Mipingo yonseyi ndi mbali ya Metro Denver Sanctuary Coalition, ndipo mpingo uliwonse uli ndi dongosolo lake ladzidzidzi. Ndine wokonzeka. Ndisanabwere kuno, ndinakonza dongosolo la banja langa ayezi ndinayenera kupita kunyumba kwanga. Chimodzi mwa mapulani ndi ana anga chinali chakuti mmodzi azijambula, ndipo winayo aziyitana anthu pamndandanda umene ndinawapatsa. Ndipo apa, tili ndi dongosolo lofanana. Chotero ine ndakonzekera, ndi anthunso pano. Tikukhulupirira kuti a Donald Trump alemekeza malo awa. Zingawoneke zolakwika pamakhalidwe abwino ngati atabwera pambuyo pa amayi omwe akungomenyera mabanja awo.
AMY GOODMAN: Mukulandira ziwopsezo zakuphedwa?
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: Eya.
AMY GOODMAN: Bwanji?
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: [Kumasulira] Ndakhala ndikulandira mauthenga angapo achidani kuchokera kwa abambo ndi amai kudzera pa Facebook.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo mkulu wa polisi anabwera kudzanena kuti amakuthandizani?
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: [kumasulira] Inde. Iwo abwera yekha kudzapereka chithandizo. Iwo atipempha kuti tizilemba zolembedwa tikaona chinthu chodabwitsa mumsewu kapena ngati anthu atumiza mauthenga amphamvu odana nane pa malo ochezera a pa Intaneti, chifukwa anthuwa adzavutika ndi zotsatirapo zake.
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi anthu angakuthandizeni bwanji? Chothandiza kwambiri ndi chiyani kwa inu?
Jeanette mogwirizana ndi mayina awo VIZGUERRA: [Kumasulira] Ndikumva woyamikira kwambiri, chifukwa ndili ndi anthu ambiri omwe amandichirikiza kuposa omwe amadana nane, osati mdziko muno mokha. Pali mauthenga ambiri othandizira ochokera kudziko langa, komanso ochokera kumayiko ena ambiri, chifukwa mlandu wanga tsopano ukudziwika padziko lonse lapansi.
AMY GOODMAN: Ameneyo ndi Jeanette Vizguerra, atakhala ndi ana ake awiri mu tchalitchi chimene watengedwako, Roberto ndi Zury. Jeanette ndi m'modzi mwa omwe adayambitsa Metro Denver Sanctuary Coalition, koma iyenso adatenga malo opatulika, Donald Trump atakhala Purezidenti. Kuti muwone athu kuyankhulana kwathunthu naye pamene adalowa mu tchalitchi miyezi iwiri yapitayo, pitani ku democracynow.org.
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