Bernstein: Asitikali opondereza omwe amaimira nduna yayikulu Latortue adapitiliza kuukira gulu lolimbikitsa demokalase. Lachiwiri, apolisi aku US aku Haiti adathandizira apolisi aku Haiti adalowa m'dera la Fort Nationalle, ndikukakamiza anthu 13 kugwa pansi, ndikuwapha m'modzim'modzi. Kazembe wapadera wa UN ku Haiti wapempha boma la US kuti lifufuze za kuphana. Ena amakayikira ngati izi ndi pro forma chabe chifukwa magulu ankhondo a United Nations akhala akugwirizana ndi apolisi aboma komanso omwe kale anali omenyera ufulu wa anthu pochotsa gulu lolimbikitsa demokalase. Pamene tikupita ku mlengalenga pali ziwonetsero ku San Francisco zotsutsana ndi boma la US lomwe linakhazikitsidwa ku Haiti ndi machitidwe ake achiwawa. Pawailesi iyi tiwona ngati tingapite kukalankhula ndi Pierre Labossiere pansi pachiwonetsero chimenecho. Koma tsopano kulowa nafe mu studio ndi mtolankhani wathu wapadera wa Flashpoints Kevin Pina. Kevin ali m'dzikoli paulendo wolankhula mwadzidzidzi; tidzakuuzani zambiri za izo mtsogolo. Kevin, ndizabwino kukhala nanu mu studio.
Pina: Zikomo Dennis, ndizabwino kukhala pano.
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Bernstein: Chabwino, tiyeni tsopano tipite ku vuto lalikulu kwambiri. Lachiwiri, tinali kumva malipoti okhudza kuphedwa kwaunyinji ndi otsatira boma lokhazikitsidwa la US. Tiuzeni, choyamba, zomwe tikudziwa zomwe zidachitika, ndiyeno tikambirane ngati tingayembekezere thandizo lililonse pakufufuza kuchokera ku UN.
Pina: Chabwino, iyi ndi imodzi yokha yomwe tikumva kuti yafika ku atolankhani; pakhala pali ena, koma Lachiwiri amuna okhala ndi zida zamphamvu atavala zipewa zakuda - yomwe ndi yunifolomu yosayina ya gulu la Haiti la S.W.A.T - adalowa mdera la Fort Nationalle. Malinga ndi mboni zoyandikana nawo, anyamata achichepere 13 adazunguliridwa, adayikidwa pamzere wautali, kutsogolo kwa ma ambulansi angapo, ndiyeno aliyense adawomberedwa mwadongosolo, monga kuphedwa, kumbuyo kwa mutu ndi S.W.A.T. mamembala a timu. Mitembo isanu ndi itatu mwa matupiwo inakathera mโnyumba yosungiramo mitembo, pamene matupi otsalawo sanapezeke. Zikuganiziridwa kuti, mwina, matupi otsalawo, anali akadali ndi moyo, anali kupumabe, ndi kuti mwina anatayidwa malo ena pambuyo poikidwa chipolopolo china.
Bernstein: Tsopano, tikudziwa kuti mphamvu izi zomwe zimagwira ntchito ku boma la US lomwe lakhazikitsidwa limagwiranso ntchito limodzi ndi mabungwe a United Nations. Kodi tinganene chiyani za mphamvu zenizeni za UN kukhala moyandikana, kapena pafupi pamene izi zikuchitika?
Pina: Tikudziwa kuti ntchito zonse za apolisi aku Haiti zimagwirizana, mothandizidwa ndi United Nations masiku ano. Mfundo za UN ndizovuta kwambiri pakadali pano. Muli ndi gulu lililonse lankhondo laku Latin America [lomwe] linamangidwa ndikulipiridwa ndi boma la United States lomwe lili ndi mbiri yopondereza m'dziko lawo lomwe, tsopano ku Haiti "kuthandiza" apolisi aku Haiti. Asilikali aku Brazil, ankhondo aku Chile, ankhondo aku Argentina, ndipo tsopano ali ndi ankhondo aku Honduras, Guatemala, ndi El Salvador. Onsewa, aliyense wa iwo ali ndi mbiri yoipa ya ufulu waumunthu m'dziko lawo, tsopano ndi gawo la zomwe ndimatcha "mgwirizano wakupha" ku Haiti lero.
Bernstein: Tsopano tiyeni tibwerere ku zomwe zinachitika Lachiwiri. Tikukamba ngati zidzafufuzidwa komanso mwachilungamo. Tsopano nโzokayikitsa kuti boma [la U.S.] lokhazikitsidwa la Latortue lifufuzadi apolisi awo. Sitikuwona kufufuza kuchokera kwa omwe adapha gulu lachigawenga. Tidachita pano kuchokera ku United Nations kuti akufuna kufufuza. Kodi payenera kukhala kufufuza kwamtundu wanji ndipo tingayembekezere chiyani?
Pina: Kufufuza kulikonse kuyenera kuchitika pa ubale pakati pa United Nations ndi apolisi aku Haiti. Izi zikuphatikizanso kuti pakhala apolisi a 100 a Royal Canadian Mounted Police ku Haiti, omwe akhala akugwira ntchito yophunzitsa apolisi aku Haiti kuyambira kuthamangitsidwa kwa Jean Bertrand Aristide pa February 29th. Ngati pakhala kufufuza moona mtima kuyenera kuphatikizirapo mfundo yakuti apolisi aku Haiti akuthandizidwa, akuthandizidwa ndi kuthandizidwa ndi bungwe la United Nations, lomwe liyenera kukhala bungwe lomwelo likuyitanitsa kufufuza.
Bernstein: Woimira [UN] adayitana kuti afufuze.
Pina: .Kufufuza kwenikweni kulikonse kudzakhudza bungwe la United Nations ndi udindo wawo ku Haiti.
Bernstein: Ndipo kachiwiri, iyi ndi nkhani yofunika kwambiri pano yomwe muli ndi United Nations, kuyika nkhani yowopsa iyi pambali, muli ndi mgwirizano pomwe bungwe la United Nations likuchita nawo gawo lalikulu pakuyeretsa demokalase. kuyenda.
Pina: Eya, udindo wawo ndi wotani, ndipo ndaziwona, ndaphunzira, ndajambula, ndalemba mbiri, ndikuti alipo kuti atsimikizire kuti palibe kukana zida. pamene apolisi ku Haiti mwadongosolo kupha, kuchita m'ndende mosagwirizana, kumangidwa mopanda tsankho, pofuna kuwononga ambiri ndale chipani, Pulezidenti Jean Bertrand Family Lavalas chipani.
[.] Tsatanetsatane paulendo wolankhula wa Pina, wopezeka pa http://www.haitiaction.net [.]
Bernstein: Kevin, Purezidenti Aristide adanenanso mawu ena, mwachiwonekere ali kutali ku South Africa; adatsutsidwa kuti akuyambitsa ziwawa. Adapempha kuti pakhale zisankho zaufulu ndi zachilungamo kuphatikiza gulu la Lavalas. Ndithudi zimenezo sizidzachitika, sichoncho?
Pina: Sizikuwoneka ngati ndizomwe mapulani ali pansi, ayi. Zikuwoneka ngati zomwe mapulaniwo ndi kuzunzidwa, ndikuchotsa, kuchotsedwa kwakuthupi, kuchotsedwa kwa Famni Lavalas. Tsopano muyenera kukumbukira mkulu wankhondo waku Brazil, wamkulu wa gulu lankhondo la UN sabata ndi theka lapitalo, masabata awiri apitawo, adanena kuti linali vuto la John Kerry kuti ziwawa zaposachedwa zachitika, chifukwa pa Marichi. 7th mu New York Times iye [Kerry] adanena kuti ngati akanakhala Purezidenti, malinga ndi mapangano mu dziko lapansi, akanachita zonse, kuposa momwe bungwe la Bush likadachitira, kuonetsetsa kuti Jean Bertrand Aristide apitirizabe. udindo ngati Purezidenti wosankhidwa mwa demokalase. Chabwino, General Augusto Heleno ameneyu anati โchabwino, zimenezo nโzofanana ndi kuti Kerry akuyambitsa ziwawa ku Haiti.โ Panthaลตi imodzimodziyo mโmawu omwewo ananena kuti โzonena zirizonse zoti Aristide adzatha kubwerera ku Haiti nโzopanda maziko.โ Chotero nayi General Augusto Ribero Heleno, mtsogoleri wa ntchito ya UN, mtsogoleri wa asilikali a ku Brazil, asilikali a UN oteteza mtendere ku Haiti, akulamula ndondomeko ya ndani ndi tsogolo la Haiti kwa 8 miliyoni okhalamo. Kwenikweni, akunena kuti 'palibe tsogolo ndi Aristide, nkhani iliyonse yobwerera kwake ilibe maziko, Lavalas ayenera kungopita mu usiku wabwinowo ndikuchita izi.'
Bernstein: Ndipo ndicho chifukwa chake ku Haiti kukutsutsa boma lokhazikitsidwa ndi U.S. chifukwa gulu lolimbikitsa demokalase limathandizidwa kwambiri m'dziko lonselo ndipo panali chisankho chachikulu [chomwe] anthu ambiri aku Haiti adasankha. Jean Bertrand Aristide. Ndikufuna ndikufunseni, tanena za dongosololi lomwe sitingathe kutsimikizira komwe boma la US lidayikako likufuna, monga mtundu wachitsanzo, kuyeretsa, njira imodzi kapena imzake, kuwathamangitsa kunja kwa dziko, kuwathamangitsira pansi kapena kuwapha, omenyera ufulu wa demokalase 25,000. Kodi chimenecho ndi chiwerengero chomveka? Kodi tikudziwa chiyani za nkhani ya m'mbuyo?
Pina: chabwino, choyamba pali masewera ambiri a manambala omwe akuchitika; tiyeni tingoyamba ndi izi, monga Associated Press ndi Reuters, akusewera masewerawa. Ndikuganiza kuti chiwerengerochi chachokera ku 24 omwe amwalira kuyambira pa Seputembara 30 mpaka pano opitilira 50 omwe afa. Chabwino, palibe chomwe chiri chenicheni. Sabata yatha ndisanachoke mdziko muno kunali kuyimba kwapadera, ndikuganiza kuti mwina tidakambiranapo izi, mwina sabata yapitayo ndi theka, panali kuyimba kwapadera kwa mkulu wa malo osungiramo mitembo kunena kuti nyumba yosungiramo mitembo yadzaza. kuyambira September 30th, ndipo sabata ndi theka lapitalo morgue anali atadzaza kupitirira mphamvu yake ndipo amayenera kuitana nduna yanthawi ya Health kuti atumize magalimoto owonjezera chifukwa panali matupi opitilira 600 mu morgue pazaka ziwiri. Palibe chomwe chikunenedwa ndi Associated Press ndi Reuters. Chabwino, kodi matupi amenewo anachokera kuti? Kodi mikhalidwe ya matupi amenewo ndi yotani? Ngati panali anthu 600 omwe afa m'milungu iwiri yomwe tidaphunzira mwangozi ndikuyimbira kwa anthu onse, [ndiye] kangati pakhala mafoni ena omwe sanaululidwe, komwe malo osungiramo mitembo adakhalako. odzazidwa kuposa mphamvu? Chifukwa chake pali kupha kochulukira komwe kukuchitika kuposa zomwe tikuphunzira, kuposa zomwe atolankhani akulengeza ku Haiti.
Bernstein: .Ndiwo mawu a Kevin Pina, akukamba za kukula kwa chiwawa chomwe chili pansi, zomwe timadziwa bwino za chiwerengero ndi lingaliro ili la kuyesa kuchotsa chiwerengero chachikulu cha kayendetsedwe ka demokarasi.
Pina : Ku Lavalas kunali anthu omwe ndidachita nawo zoyankhulana, ndipo izi zapangitsa kuti boma lizigwedezeka kwambiri kuyambira pomwe amawerenga za nkhaniyi, kuti panali anthu omwe adadziwitsa Lavalas za msonkhano, a. Msonkhano wachinsinsi womwe unachitika pakati pa Unduna wa Zam'kati, Herard Abraham, yemwe ndi General General wankhondo waku Haiti, komanso Minister of Justice, Bernard Gousse, ndi Gerard Latortue, pomwe adakambirana zomwe zingachitike. mfundo zothetsa kuyitanidwa kuti abwerere kwa Jean Bertrand Aristide, ndi zomwe zingatenge kuti athetse vutoli, nthawiyi, ndi Lavalas 'kusiya' chifukwa chodzilowetsa okha mu zisankho, zomwe zimawachotsera ulemu; ndipo zidakambidwa ndipo zidanenedwa kuti mu likulu lokha payenera kukhala anthu 25,000 omwe aphedwa kapena kukakamizidwa kutuluka m'dzikolo kuti apitilize zisankhozo chaka chamawa.
B Bernstein: Chabwino, padzakhala nkhondo yaikulu pozungulira izo ndipo nkhondoyi ikuchitikanso m'dera la Bay ndi kuzungulira United States kumene chiwerengero chowonjezeka cha anthu chikutsutsa boma la US la Latortue. Mmodzi wa iwo ndi bwenzi lanu ndi lathu, ndipo wa pulogalamuyi, Pierre Labossiere. Tsopano ali ku mzinda wa San Francisco pachionetsero. Pierre ndi m'modzi mwa omwe adayambitsa Haiti Action [Committee], ndipo mutha kudziwa zonse za iwo pa: http://www.haitiaction.net. Pierre, talandiridwanso ku Flashpoints.
Labossiere: inde, muli bwanji?
Bernstein: Ndili bwino, ndizabwino kukhala nanu pano ndi Kevin. Tiuzeni komwe muli ndi zomwe zikuchitika.
Labossiere: Chabwino pakali pano tili pakona, tangosiya Market ndi Powell; tikuguba mopitirira, kutengera mkwiyo wathu kwa Bush ndi Powell, kuguba pa Powell Street ndipo mwinamwake inu mukhoza kumva zina za phokoso kumbuyo uko; Ndikulola kumva pang'ono.
Otsutsa: MALIZA NTCHITO! KUCHOKERA KU HAITI!! KUCHOKERA KU HAITI!!!
Labossiere: Inde, chiwonetsero champhamvu kwambiri, ndipo tikuyenda ndikutsutsa ntchito yomwe Bush ndi Powell ndi 'mgwirizano wakupha,' monga Kevin adanena, kuti asonkhanitsa pamodzi, kupha anthu athu ku Haiti. Takwiya kwambiri ndi izi; kunali kupha anthu Lachiwiri madzulo ku Haiti, malinga ndi kuyerekezera kosiyanasiyana komwe ndinapeza, pafupifupi anthu 30 omwe anaphedwa m'madera osiyanasiyana a Port au Prince. Kodi mlandu wawo ndi wotani? Chifukwa amathandizira Purezidenti yemwe adamusankha, uwu ndi mlandu wawo, chifukwa chake ndife okwiya kwambiri chifukwa cha izi ndipo tikuwonetsa kukwiya kwathu ndikulimbikitsa anthu kuti aitanire oyimira awo osankhidwa ndikutsutsa, kuyitanira UN ndikutsutsa kutenga nawo mbali. nkhanza izi zomwe zikuchitika ku Haiti. Ndipo ndikufuna kunena kuti dziko la Brazil ndi limodzi mwa mayiko, Brazil kwenikweni ikutsogolera magulu ankhondo a UN ku Haiti, choncho tikufunikiradi abale ndi alongo athu ochokera ku Brazil kuti afotokoze mkwiyo wawo ku boma la Brazil, komanso boma la Chile. . Kotero uku ndikugwiritsira ntchito molakwa kwa United Nations, izi ndizo.Ndikuuzani Dennis, ndakwiyitsidwa kwambiri ndi zomwe zikuchitika, mukudziwa? Izi sizomwe UN imayenera kukhala.
Bernstein: Ndiloleni ndilumphire muno, Pierre. Ndikudziwa kuti pakati pazovuta kwambiri za izi kwa inu ndi mafoni awa omwe mumapeza kuchokera ku Haiti nthawi zonse masana ndi usiku; Kodi mungatiuze za mafoni ena omwe mumayimba okhudza anthu omwe mumawadziwa, olimbikitsa demokalase, omenyera ufulu wa demokalase, olimbikitsa mgwirizano, momwe akuchitiridwa, komwe ali, komwe akuthawa?
Labossiere: Inde, ndinalandira foni kuchokera kwa mnzanga wina, anandiimbira kundifunsa ngati tinali ndi ndalama zothandizira banja lake, chifukwa wokondedwa wawo anaphedwa, anavulazidwa ndi mfuti za apolisi, chifukwa ankawombera mosasankha; ndipo chifukwa sanafune kutenga mwayi wotengera munthu uyu kuchipatala, koma adachita patapita kanthawi, adayenera kupita naye kuchipatala, ndipo ku chipatala anali m'modzi mwa anthu omwe adatengedwa. apolisi ndi kuphedwa, ku chipatala! Izi ndi mtundu wa zinthu zomwe tikupeza, awa ndi mafoni; monga usiku watha ndinalandira foni kuchokera ku bungwe la anthu wamba komwe wailesi, jenereta yomwe iwo anali nayo, yomwe inaperekedwa ndi anthu ochokera ku Bay Area. asilikali anali kupita kukatenga. Maitanidwe ena ndalandira; mtsogoleri wa ntchito Loulou Chery, chifukwa iye ndi mtsogoleri wa ntchito amene sagwirizana ndi zomwe zikuchitika ku Haiti, iwo abwera pambuyo pake ndi kuwononga nyumba yake, kotero kangapo iye amayenera kubisala kumene iye ali tsopano. Kuyimba kwina kwa anthu omwe azunzidwa, anthu omwe akubisala, ndizoyipa, ndi zoyipa zomwe zikuchitika.
Bernstein: Pierre, mukulankhula nafe kuchokera ku Downtown Market ndi Powell, anthu akhoza kulowa nawo ziwonetserozi, kugawana mkwiyo wanu, kuyankhula motsutsana ndi ntchito yoletsedwayi yomwe boma la US linagonjetsa boma la Haiti ndi Jean Bertrand Aristide. Pierre, tikhalabe pa izi, ndikupempha anthu kuti agwirizane nanu pakali pano; muli panjira yopita ku Bush ndi Powell?
Labossiere: Ndendende.
Bernstein: Malo abwino kukhala. Ndipo tikukuthokozani chifukwa chokhala nafe Pierre.
Labossiere: Zikomo kwambiri Dennis, bye-bye.
Bernstein: Tikupita patsogolo kupitiliza kukambirana kwathu ndi Kevin mawa. Ndemanga zomaliza lero Kevin.
Kevin: .Mfundoyi ndi yakuti zomwe zikuchitika ku Haiti ndi zolakwika, kuti zinthu zonse zomwe otchedwa otsutsa Aristide anamutsutsa, kukhala wolamulira wankhanza, kumangidwa mopanda chilungamo, kutsekeredwa m'ndende, kupha anthu, palibe chomwe chinachitika pansi pa Aristide. motsutsana ndi zomwe zimatchedwa kutsutsa ndipo ndithudi ngati mukuwona ku Haiti lero zomwe mukuwona ndi zonena zawo za Aristide kukhala wolamulira wankhanza wakhala ulosi wawo wodzikwaniritsa ku Haiti lero. Lerolino ndi ulamuliro wankhanza weniweni wa kuphana, kumangidwa popanda zifukwa, kutsekeredwa mโndende, kulibe ufulu wachibadwidwe, wopanda ufulu wolankhula.
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