AMY GOODMAN: Omenyera nkhondo akukonzekera zionetsero kunja kwa maofesi a FBI m'mizinda m'dziko lonselo lero ndi mawa pambuyo poti FBI idaukira nyumba zisanu ndi zitatu za omenyera nkhondo ku Chicago ndi Minneapolis Lachisanu.
Zikalata zofufuzira za FBI zikuwonetsa kuti othandizira anali kufunafuna kulumikizana pakati pa omenyera nkhondo am'deralo ndi magulu aku Colombia ndi Middle East. Anthu asanu ndi atatu adapatsidwa ma subpoena kuti akaonekere pamaso pa khoti lalikulu la federal ku Chicago. Ambiri mwa anthu omwe nyumba zawo zinasechedwera kapena amene anapatsidwa makalata oitanira anthu ku msonkhano anathandiza kukonza zionetsero kapena kuchita zionetsero pa msonkhano wachigawo wa Republican ku St. Paul, Minnesota, zaka ziwiri zapitazo.
Lamulo la federal lomwe latchulidwa m'mabuku ofufuzira limaletsa, mawu, "kupereka chithandizo chakuthupi kapena zothandizira ku mabungwe achigawenga akunja." Mu June, Khoti Lalikulu linakana kutsutsa ufulu wa kulankhula ku lamulo lothandizira zakuthupi kuchokera ku magulu othandizira anthu omwe adanena kuti zina mwazinthu zake zimawaika pachiopsezo choimbidwa mlandu chifukwa cholankhula ndi mabungwe achigawenga za ntchito zopanda chiwawa. Ena mwa magulu otchulidwa mayina mโzikalatazo ndi Hezbollah, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, ndi Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, kapena FARC. Zikalatazo zidapatsanso mphamvu zothandizira kuti alande zinthu monga zamagetsi, zithunzi, makanema, mabuku adilesi ndi makalata.
Kuukira kwa Lachisanu kumabwera pambuyo pa kafukufuku wa Dipatimenti Yachilungamo omwe adapeza kuti FBI idayang'anira molakwika magulu omenyera ufulu ndi anthu kuyambira 2001 mpaka 2006.
Kuti mudziwe zambiri, ndakhala ndi alendo atatu.
Kulumikizana nafe kuchokera ku Minneapolis, womenyera nkhondo kwanthawi yayitali a Jess Sundin, yemwe nyumba yake idagwidwa ndi FBI m'mawa Lachisanu m'mawa. Ndi membala wa Komiti Yotsutsa Nkhondo, omwe maofesi ake adagwidwanso.
Kulowa nafe kudzera Demokarase Tsopano! vidiyo yochokera ku Chicago ndi Joe Iosbaker, yemwe nyumba yake inali imodzi mwa awiri omwe anagwidwa ku Chicago Lachisanu. Ndiwogwira ntchito ku yunivesite ya Illinois ku Chicago komanso woyang'anira SEIU Local 73. Anathandizira kugwirizanitsa mabasi kuchokera ku Chicago kupita ku zionetsero za msonkhano wa Republican National Convention mu 2008.
Komanso ku Minneapolis talumikizidwa ndi yemwe kale anali wothandizira wapadera wa FBI komanso woimba mluzu Coleen Rowley. Time Anamutcha kuti Mkazi wa Chaka, Munthu Wopambana mu 2002.
Takulandirani nonse Demokarase Tsopano! Tiyeni tiyambire ku Minneapolis ndi Jess Sundin. Tiuzeni zimene zinachitika.
JESS SUNDIN: Lachisanu mโmaลตa, ndinadzuka ndi kuphulika kwa chitseko, ndipo pamene ndinali kutsika, panali antchito a boma asanu ndi mmodzi kapena asanu ndi aลตiri kale mโnyumba mwanga, kumene mnzanga ndi mwana wanga wamkazi wazaka zisanu ndi chimodzi anali atadzuka kale. Tinapatsidwa chilolezo chofufuza, ndipo anadutsa m'nyumba yonse. Iwo anathera mwinamwake pafupifupi maola anayi akudutsa mโzinthu zathu zonse zaumwini, bukhu lirilonse, mapepala, zovala zathu, ndi kudzaza mabokosi angapo ndi mabokosi ndi makompyuta athu, mafoni athu, pasipoti yanga. Ndipo atamaliza, monga ndidanenera, anali ndi mabokosi ambiri odzaza ndi zinthu zanga, zomwe adachoka nazo mnyumba mwanga.
AMY GOODMAN: Kodi munali nokha m'mawa umenewo?
JESS SUNDIN: Ayi, mnzanga ndi mwana wanga wamkazi wa giredi yoyamba analiponso.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo adakuwonetsani chiyani kwenikweni kuti mulowemo?
JESS SUNDIN: Chabwino, tili ndi khonde pomwe sungathe kuwona ndendende yemwe ali kunja. Ndipo kotero, anali atadzilowetsa kale mโkhonde pamene mwana wanga wamkaziโmkazi wanga anatsegula chitseko. Ndipo pamene analoลตamo, anatisonyeza chikalata chamasamba anayi chimenechi chimene chinandandalitsa, monga momwe ndinanenera, mitundu yonse ya zinthu zimene anayenera kuyangโanaโkufunafuna mโnyumba mwanga, limodzinso ndi chikalata choitanira anthu kukaonekera pamaso pa mkulu wina. oweruza. Dzina langa linalembedwa pa chikalata chofufuzira, koma ine ndi mnzanga tinalandira ma subpoenas ku jury lalikulu ku Chicago.
AMY GOODMAN: Tiyeni tipite ku Chicago, kwa Joe Iosbaker. Fotokozani zimene zinakuchitikirani Lachisanu mโmawa.
JOE IOSBAKER: Chabwino, ndi nkhani yomweyo. Uku kunali kuukira kogwirizana ndi dziko lonse panyumba zonsezi. Seveni koloko, paundi pakhomo. Ine ndinali kukonzekera ntchito, ndinatsika masitepe, ndipo panali, ine ndikuganiza, m'dera la nthumwi khumi, mukudziwa, a_iwo anadzizindikiritsa okha ngati FBI, anandiwonetsa ine chilolezo chofufuzira. Ndipo ine ndinatembenukira kwa mkazi wanga ndipo ndinati, โStephanie, ndi apolisi oganiza.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo adalowa?
JOE IOSBAKER: Analowa, nโkuyamba kukonza ntchito yawo mโchipinda chathu chochezera, ndipo anajambula zipinda zonse za mโnyumba mwathu. Ndipo motsatira, sindikudziwa, mphindi makumi atatu kapena makumi anayi ndi zisanu, adalemba zipinda zilizonse ndikudutsa mchipinda chilichonse, chipinda chathu chapansi, chipinda chathu cham'mwamba, zipinda za ana athu, ndikudutsa osati zonse zathu. mapepala, koma nyimbo zathu, zojambula za ana athu, zolemba ndakatulo za mwana wanga kusukulu ya sekondale-zonse.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo amakufotokozerani zomwe amachita pomwe amawononga nyumba yanu?
JOE IOSBAKER: Uko kunaliโkunaliโena a maofisala, inu mukudziwa, anali kutiuza zimene iwo anali kuchita. Ambiri a iwo sanali. Koma anatifotokozera.
AMY GOODMAN: Anakuuzani chiyani kwenikweni?
JOE IOSBAKER: Chabwino, iwo-zonse zomwe ananena malinga ndi zomwe anali kuyang'ana ndikuti iwo-mukudziwa, anatiwonetsa chilolezo chofufuzira, ndipo ine ndinali-ine ndi mkazi wanga tonse tinalembedwa, nafenso.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndi mabungwe ati omwe mukuchita nawo, Joe? Kodi mukuganiza kuti akuyang'ana chiyani?
JOE IOSBAKER: Chabwino, monga mudanenera poyambira, ndine wogwirizira ntchito makamaka. Ndi mmene anthu ambiri amandidziwira. Ndinenso mlangizi wa ogwira ntchito ku UIC for the Students for a Democratic Society mutu.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye University of Illinois, Chicago.
JOE IOSBAKER: Zolondola. Ndipo, mukudziwa, ndakhala wolimbikitsa ndale kwa zaka makumi atatu ndi zitatu, kotero ndakhala membala wa mabungwe ambiri ndi kampeni.
AMY GOODMAN: Coleen Rowley, ndinu wakale wa FBI wothandizira, woyimbira mluzu, dzina lake Time Munthu Wopambana pa Chaka mu 2002. Kodi mungafotokoze zomwe mukuganiza kuti zikuchitika pano? Komanso, ikani munkhani yosangalatsa ya dipatimenti ya Zachilungamo ya IG - Inspector General - yomwe yangotuluka kumene poyang'anira oyimbira - m'malo mwake, kuyang'aniridwa kwa omenyera ufulu pafupifupi zaka khumi zapitazi.
COLEEN ROWLEY: Chabwino, sindingathe kufotokoza mwatsatanetsatane zonse zamalamulo zomwe zasintha kuyambira 9/11, koma pakhala kusintha kwa nyanja. Mwachitsanzo, nditaphunzitsa za ufulu walamulo mu FBI, chimodzi mwazinthu zofunika kwambiri chinali ufulu wa First Amendment. Ndipo ngakhale aka sikanali koyamba kuti muwone kutembenuka kwa Orwellian pankhondo yolimbana ndi zigawenga pamagulu amtendere am'banja ndi magulu achilungamo - kwenikweni, tinali ndi zomwe zidayamba mwachangu pambuyo pa 9/11, ndipo panali malingaliro azamalamulo, Office. maganizo a Law Counsel, omwe adanena kuti First Amendment sakulamuliranso nkhondo yolimbana ndi zigawenga-koma ngakhale zili choncho, izi ndizodabwitsa komanso zochititsa mantha kuti pakadali pano tili ndi, mukudziwa, kulimbikitsana kwaumunthu tsopano kukugwiritsidwa ntchito ngati chithandizo chakuthupi kwa zigawenga.
Tawonanso, modabwitsa, masiku anayi nkhondoyi isanachitike, tinawona Dipatimenti Yachilungamo Inspector General ikupereka lipoti lomwe linadzudzula FBI kwa zaka zinayi zolimbana ndi magulu apakhomo monga Greenpeace, Thomas Merton Center ku Pittsburgh, misonkhano yosiyanasiyana yolimbana ndi nkhondo, kuphatikizapo kupeza kuti mkulu wa FBI adawauza zabodza ku Congress ponena za zifukwa zomwe FBI imayang'anira gulu lamtendere.
AMY GOODMAN: Nanga bwanji zomwe zidachitika ku Iowa, Coleen Rowley?
COLEEN ROWLEY: Chabwino, ndicho chitsanzo china. Ndipo ameneyo alidi pambuyo pa kufufuza kwa IG. Kufufuza kwa IG kunangopita ku 2006. Pakhala zopempha kuti IG ipite patsogolo. Mwachiwonekere pakhala zaka zina zinayi. Ndipo mu 2008, tidazindikira kudzera mu pempho la Ufulu Wachidziwitso kuti pali masamba 300 aโndikuganiza kuti anali anayi kapena asanu, nthumwi zisanu ndi imodzi zomwe zimatsata gulu la ophunzira ku Iowa City kupita kumapaki, nyumba zosungiramo mabuku, malo ogulitsira, malo odyera. Anadutsanso zinyalala zawo. Chifukwa chake, ichi ndi chifukwa china chomwe magulu amtendere, komanso aphunzitsi azamalamulo, akuyenera kuda nkhawa kwambiri tsopano ndi kutanthauzira kolakwika kumeneku komwe kumanena kuti kumenyera ufulu wa anthu - ndikungonena, tili ndi Minnesotan wotchuka yemwe adalemba. Makapu atatu a Tiyi. Ndipo mwachiwonekere amakhazikitsa sukulu ku Pakistan ndi Afghanistan. Dzina lake ndi Greg Mortenson. Mwachiwonekere, anthu onga iye ndi Jimmy Carter ali pachiopsezo, atapatsidwa nzeru zazikuluzikulu tsopano kunena kuti aliyense amene amagwira ntchito kudziko lachilendo, ngakhale chifukwa cha mtendere kapena zolinga zaumunthu, zotsutsana ndi kuzunzidwa, akhoza kusokoneza lamulo la PATRIOT.
AMY GOODMAN: Komiti ya Tchalitchi m'zaka za m'ma 1970 idatsegula chivundikiro cha akazitape a CIA kunyumba, komanso malangizo, malamulo, adaperekedwa pambuyo pake. Kodi zimagwira ntchito bwanji masiku ano, pomwe aku America akuwunikiridwa, kulowetsedwa, kuzonda kunyumba?
COLEEN ROWLEY: Chabwino, ichi ndi chimodzi mwa zifukwa, kuwonjezera pa chigamulo cha Khoti Lalikululi. Pambuyo pa 9/11, Attorney General adayamba kusokoneza malangizowo. Ananenanso kuti othandizira a FBI atha kupita m'misikiti ndi malo ngati amenewo kuti aziyang'anira, ndiye chinali chiyambi. Chomwe - pafupifupi chomaliza chomwe Bush adachita mu 2008 chinali chakuti adafafaniza malangizo a AG aja. Palibe chifukwa chowonetsera kulungamitsidwa kwenikweni tsopano. Kulingalirako kwasinthidwa kotheratu. Ndipo makamaka a FBI amangonena kuti sanali kulunjika - kuti sanali kulunjika gulu potengera kugwiritsa ntchito kwawo ufulu wa First Amendment. Kotero kulingalira kunachitadi, kachiwiri, flip-flop wathunthu.
Ndipo, ndithudi, ndichifukwa chake mukuwona zonyansa zosiyanasiyana izi zikutuluka tsopano. Siziyenera kudabwitsa wina kuti ngati palibe zoletsa, kuwala kobiriwira kumayaka, zomwe mukuwona, ndithudi - ndimamvera chisoni FBI. Ndinkaphunzitsa anthu otere, ndipo ndimatha kumvetsetsa kupsinjika kwakukulu komwe ali nako. Ndipo, ndithudi, ichi ndi chifukwa chake kuli kofunika kwambiri kudziwitsa akuluakulu omwe akuyang'anira kugwiritsa ntchito nzeru zawo kuti agwiritse ntchito nzeru zawo kuyang'ana zigawenga zenizeni m'malo motsatira magulu amtendere.
AMY GOODMAN: Jess Sundin, zolinga zanu ndi zotani tsopano? Ndikutanthauza, kumapeto kwa sabata ndidawona pa intaneti kanema wa msonkhano wanu wadzidzidzi-anthu ambiri adatuluka chifukwa cha izi, akuzungulira-ndiponso adalankhula za RNC 8, anthu asanu ndi atatu omwe adamangidwa mtsogolo motsogozedwa ndi Republican. msonkhano, onse oimbidwa milandu ya zigawenga. Zigawenga zonsezo zathetsedwa tsopano. Koma ndithudi inali nthawi yochititsa mantha kwambiri. Mapulani anu ndi otani tsopano?
JESS SUNDIN: Eya, monga munanenera, ku Twin Cities tinali ndi msonkhano usiku umene anaukirawo. Panali anthu oposa 200 omwe anasonkhana, ndipo kwenikweni bungwe lililonse mu Twin Cities. Koma ndinganene kuti mabungwe ambiri m'dziko lonselo alumikizana nafe kutifunsa momwe angathandizire. Padzakhala, lero ndi mawa, monga mudanena kale, ziwonetsero zosachepera mizinda makumi awiri kuzungulira dziko. Takhala ndi malingaliro oti tidzachite ziwonetsero ku maofesi a kazembe m'maiko ena, komanso ku maofesi a kazembe a US.
Choncho, chimodzi mwa zinthu zimene tikuchita nโcholinga choti tidziwe zimene zachitikazo nโkudziwitsa anthu kuti palibe chimene talakwitsa. Palibe chifukwa chonena kuti tapereka chithandizo kumagulu achigawenga mwanjira iliyonse. Koma kwenikweni, tikukhala-tikukhala-pali chidwi pa ife chifukwa cha ntchito yathu mu gulu lolimbana ndi nkhondo, makamaka, momwe timaonera mgwirizano ndi anthu m'mayiko omwe nkhondo ya US ndi zankhondo zikuchitika.
Ife, potsatira ziwonetserozi, tikhala tikukokera pamodzi gulu la anthu ochokera m'mabungwe ambiri omwe awonetsa nkhawa zawo. Anthu omwe akufuna kumangidwa angatipeze kudzera mu Komiti Yotsutsa Nkhondo webusaiti, zomwe ndi zachikale kwambiri. Tikuchita zonse zomwe tingathe kuti tithetse. Inde, monga tinafotokozera, makompyuta athu onse adagwidwa. Kotero ife tikuchita zambiri, kuyesera kudzikonza tokha.
Ndipo, ndithudi, timakhudzidwa kwambiri ndi kupanga mapulani azamalamulo kuti tidziteteze. Anthu angapo adayitanidwa pamaso pa khoti lalikulu ku Chicago. Ndipo ife, mukudziwa, sitikufuna kukhalaโinu mukudziwa, mlandu woti utizungulire. Tonsefe tili ndi chidaliro kuti palibe chomwe chapezeka m'nyumba mwathu chomwe chidzatsimikizire zomwe akutitsutsa. Ndipo palibe, kwenikweni, palibe mlandu wotitsutsa. Koma tikufuna kuchita zonse zomwe tingathe kuti tidziteteze tokha mwalamulo panthawi imodzimodziyo tikugwira ntchito ndi gulu kuti tidziwitse zomwe zachitika.
AMY GOODMAN: Joe Iosbaker, ndimafuna ndikufunseni za nyumba ina yomwe inagwidwa. Pongoyang'ana chidutswa cha AP, othandizira a FBI ku Chicago adatenga laputopu ndi zolemba kunyumba kwa Hatem Abudayyeh, yemwe ndi wotsutsa nkhondo ku Palestina, yemwe ndi mkulu wa bungwe la Arab American Action Network. Woyimira mlandu wake, Jim Fennerty, adati, Boma likuyesera kuletsa omenyera ufulu. Mlanduwu ndiwowopsa, "adatero. Abudayyeh ndi nzika ya ku America. Kodi mungalankhule za ntchito yanu ku Israel-Palestine, yemwe Hatem Abudayyeh ndi?
JOE IOSBAKER: Chabwino, ndiyenera kulankhula za ntchito ya mkazi wanga. Mkazi wanga ndi wogwirizira kwa nthawi yayitali m'gulu la mgwirizano wa Palestine. Ndipo-
AMY GOODMAN: Stephanie Weiner.
JOE IOSBAKER: Zolondola. Iyenso anaitanidwa. Ndipo kwenikweni aliyense mu gulu lolimbana ndi nkhondo ku Chicago amadziwa Hatem. Mukudziwa, ngati muyang'ana mmbuyo pa intaneti pa kanema wa zionetsero zomwe zikuchitika pano za anthu masauzande ambiri omwe akuyenda pamene Israeli anaukira Gaza zaka ziwiri zapitazo, Hatem anali mtsogoleri pa msonkhano waukulu uliwonse. Ndipo Arab American Action Network inali likulu lachiarabu mu mzindawu, lomwe lidakhazikitsidwa kumapeto kwa zaka za m'ma 1960 ndi koyambirira kwa 1970. Chifukwa chake Hatem ndi womenyera ufulu wodziwika kwambiri waku Palestine mumzinda wa Chicago. Nโzosadabwitsa kuti ankamufuna.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo mukukonzekera, Joe Iosbaker, kuzungulira Colombia. Mumphindi imodzi tikhala limodzi ndi Ingrid Betancourt, yemwe, monga mukudziwa, adagwidwa ukapolo
JOE IOSBAKER: Inde.
AMY GOODMAN: - kwa zaka zoposa zisanu ndi chimodzi. Koma bwanji za ntchito yanu yozungulira Colombia, popeza zikuwoneka kuti Israeli-Palestine ndi Colombia ndiwo adatsogola kwambiri pakuwukira kwa FBI?
JOE IOSBAKER: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti ndiyenera kuyankha funsoli kwa Jess, yemwe ali ndi chidziwitso chochulukirapo pantchito yachigwirizano yaku Colombia.
AMY GOODMAN: Jess Sundin ku Minneapolis.
JESS SUNDIN: Inde, gulu lolimbana ndi nkhondo lakhala likukhudzidwa ndi malo omwe US โโamapereka nkhondo kunja, ndipo pali nkhondo yaikulu yapachiลตeniลตeni yomwe ikuchitika ku Colombia, ndipo ndilo lachitatu lalikulu lomwe limalandira thandizo lankhondo la US, kotero Colombia ndizovuta kwambiri pankhondo. kuyenda. Ndapita ku Colombia ndipo ndamva kuti ndi malo owopsa kwambiri padziko lapansi kukhala wogwirizira ntchito. Ndipo, mโchenicheni, aliyense amene ali nawo mโgulu lachiyanjano kumeneko amawonedwa ndi boma, limodzinso ndi magulu ankhondo opha anthu, monga wopanduka ndipo amachitidwa motero. Ndipo kotero, ndikudziwa kuti kafukufukuyu ndi wokondweretsedwa kwambiri ndi kuyenda-ndinapita ku Colombia-ndipo [ndipo] ndinayesera kukhazikitsa mtundu wina wa maubwenzi a bungwe, omwe kulibe. Koma izi zati, ndikuthandizira nkhondo yaku Colombia ndipo ndakhala ndikuchita nawo izi.
AMY GOODMAN: Coleen Rowley, kodi ufulu wachibadwidwe umafananiza bwanji, zomwe mukuwona lero muulamuliro wa Obama, kwa Purezidenti Bush, munthu yemwe mumamuyimbira mluzu?
COLEEN ROWLEY: Chabwino, ine sindingakhoze kuyankhula kwa maora ena angapo pano, chifukwa ndi utali umene zinganditengere ine. Ndidalimbikitsa FBI kuyambira koyambirira - ndidalembanso mutu wakuti, "Civil Liberties and Effective Investigation." Ndipo mwatsoka, machenjezowa akhala akungonyalanyazidwa kwakukulukuluโkwa ine ndekha ndi ena ambiri. Ngakhale Commission ya 9/11 idayang'ana kwambiri - atatu mwa malingaliro awo, mwa makumi anayi ndi chimodzi, anali pakupanga bungwe loyang'anira zinsinsi ndi ufulu wachibadwidwe. Ndipo Bush adakoka chiguduli kuchokera pansi pa bolodi molawirira. Ndipo a Obama, patatha zaka ziwiri, sanasankhepo anthu aliwonse, mipando isanu ya board imeneyo, zomwe ndi zodabwitsa potengera zomwe zachitika, kuphatikiza mavumbulutso a kuzunzika komanso kuwunika kopanda chilolezo.
Zomwe anthu akuyenera kuchita ndikufunsa zambiri kuposa kafukufuku wa IG. Ayenera kupempha Congress kuti atenge chinachake ngati Komiti ya Tchalitchi chatsopano. Ndipo izo kwenikweni zafunsidwa. Barbara Lee, ndikuganiza, anali ndi lingaliro chaka chapitacho la china chake chonga icho. Chifukwa chake tonse tiyenera kulumikizana ndi omwe atiyimilira ndikupempha a Congress kuti ayang'anire izi - zomwe zikuchitika.
AMY GOODMAN: Chabwino, tipitirizabe kutsatira nkhaniyi pamene ikuchitika. Ndikufuna kukuthokozani, Coleen Rowley, yemwe kale anali wothandizira FBI, woululira mluzu, dzina lake Time Munthu Wa Chaka mu 2002. Jess Sundin ndi Joe Iosbaker, zikomo kwambiri chifukwa chokhala nafe. Ndikudziwa kuti ino ndi nthawi yovuta kwambiri kwa inu. Nyumba zawo zonse zidagwidwa, makompyuta, zolemba, zinthu zina zidatengedwa. Zimenezi zinachitika Lachisanu mโmawa. Ndipo, ndithudi, tipitiriza kutsatira milandu yonseyi.
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