Bernstein: Ndikuyang'ana chithunzi chovutitsa kwambiri ndipo chikuyimira kuchuluka kwa ziwawa zomwe zikuchitika ku Haiti. Choyamba, fotokozani chithunzichi, tiuzeni ngati tikudziwa kuti uyu ndi ndani, ndipo zikutanthauza chiyani?
Pina: Uyu ndi wokhala ku Cite Soleil. Pali umboni wamfuti, mwachiwonekere munthuyu adawomberedwa kangapo, thupi likuwoneka kuti adathiridwa ndi petulo ndikuyatsa, kenako zikuwoneka ngati wina watenga njerwa ndikuyiponya pathupi pambuyo pake, ndikutsegula. chifuwa.
Bernstein: Uku sikungopha, uwu ndi uthenga. Lankhulani pang'ono za uthenga umene ukutumiza ndi nkhani ya uthengawo.
Pina: Zikuwonekeratu, uku ndi kupha ndi cholinga choopseza; izi zimatengera ntchito yambiri kuti munthu achite izi, ndipo izi ndi zomwe zikuchitika ku Cite Soleil lero. Tidanena pano pa Novembara 26 kuti pomwe Associated Press ndi Reuters idanenanso kuti iyi ndi nkhondo yapakati pa zigawenga, tidanena izi poyamba potengera umboni wa mboni ku Cite Soleil kuti Andy Apaid wa Gulu la 184 lomwe ndi lotsutsa Aristide. ndi Rudolph Boulos yemwe ndi m'modzi mwa omwe adayambitsa Haiti Democracy Project ku Washington yomwe inali PR mkono wa otsutsa Aristide, akhala akuthandiza magulu achifwamba ku Cite Soleil kuti aukire ndi kupha mamembala a Lavalas, ndipo izi [chithunzi] ndi umboni wa kuphedwa kumodzi mwa anthuwa ndipo sikuti kuphana kokha, uku ndi kuzunza koopsa komanso kupunduka kwa matupi omwe akuyenera kuopseza anthu ammudzi.
Bernstein: Tiyeni titenge mphindi imodzi pa kupanikizika kwa mumlengalenga ku Haiti pansi. Ngati ndinu wolimbikitsa demokalase, moyo umakhala wotani?
Pina: Ukadakhala kuti unachitapo kanthu kena kabwino ngati ntchito yophunzitsa kulemba ndi kulemba, kuphunzitsa anthu kuwerenga ndi kulemba, lero ukuopa moyo wako, lero ukubisala, lero wasiyana ndi banja lako. Nthawi zambiri mungafunike kuchoka mโdzikoli nโkupita ku Dominican Republic. Simudziwa zomwe zikuchitikira achibale anu onse. Kapena mukakhala kundende, mumangidwa mopanda chilungamo, mwina kunyamulidwa muukonde, wina nโkutheka kuti munagwirapo ntchito yophunzitsa anthu kulemba ndi kulemba, ndiyeno apolisi akanakumangani chifukwa cha zimenezo. ndipo mudzakhala usiku wanu m'chipinda chodzaza ndi akaidi ena andale a Lavalas, pansi modzaza ndi mkodzo ndi chimbudzi, chakudya chochepa kwambiri; achibale akuopa kukubweretserani chakudya, akubweretsereni zinthu zoti zikuthandizeni chifukwa akuwopa kuti akhoza kumangidwa akakubweretserani zomwe mukufuna. Kapena, ndiwe wakufa; ndi zophweka monga choncho.
Bernstein: Ndikufuna kulankhula za mgwirizano pakati pa asilikali a ku Brazil [ndi Canada-] otsogozedwa ndi alonda amtendere ndi apolisi amtundu wakupha / asilikali, omwe adakhazikitsidwanso ndi boma la zidole ku Haiti. Mkulu wankhondo waku Brazil adatuluka ndikunena kuti Afalansa ndi aku Canada [ndi US] akufuna kuti oteteza mtendere akhale "amphamvu." Lankhulani za ubalewu pakati pa UN ndi akupha komanso chifukwa chake uli wofunikira.
Pina: Tikudziwa kuti bungwe lotchedwa United Nations lokhazikitsa mtendere ku Haiti likutsogoleredwa ndi asilikali a ku Brazil, makamaka ndi munthu wotchedwa General Heleno Ribeiro. Pakali pano Lula Da Silva akugwira kutentha kwambiri. Asilikali a United Nations kuphatikiza aku Brazil akhala akugwira ntchito molimbika ndi apolisi aku Haiti pomwe apolisi aku Haiti akhala akuchita kupha anthu ambiri atapha otsatira a Lavalas m'madera osauka a likulu la dzikoli. Tikudziwanso kuti asilikali a ku Argentina ndi asilikali a Chile akhala akuyenda momasuka m'misewu ndi asilikali akale, omwe kale anali ankhondo ankhanza, omwe ambiri mwa iwo lero akuyambitsa kuphedwa kwa anthu ambiri a Lavalas m'misewu ya Port au Prince, koma komanso m'malo ngati Cap Haitien, ndi L'Artibonite ku Central Plateau. Ndizodziwikiratu kuti bungwe la United Nations likupereka kukhulupilika ndikuwonetsa kuvomerezeka kwa zomwe zili - sindingathe kuzifotokozanso mawu ena - kampeni yakupha mwakuthupi kudzera muchiwawa cha chipani cha ndale, chomwe ndi chipani cha Lavalas cha Jean Bertrand Aristide. Ndikuganiza kuti omvera adandimva ndikufunsa Reed Lindsay ku Port au Prince, si anthu aku Brazil okha.
Bernstein: Chabwino ichi ndi gawo lofunika; Ndikufuna kuti munene nkhaniyi, ndipo ikukhudzana ndi mitundu ya anthu omwe akuchita nawo zomwe zimatchedwa "kusunga mtendere".
Pina: Reed, m'mafunso athu akukhala ku Port au Prince, amandiuza momwe anali padenga la nyumba ndi zigawenga zomwe zimagwira ntchito ndi anthu aku Brazil, koma sanali a Brazil, anali achi China, ochokera ku People's Republic of China, omwe. anali pamwamba pa denga ndi apolisi a ku Haiti, akuwaphunzitsa kuwombera, ndipo kodi iwo anali kuyang'ana chiyani pamene anali padenga limenelo? Kodi nchiyani chimene iwo anali kuwaphunzitsa, kugwiritsira ntchito monga chitsanzo cha maphunziro? Chinali chionetsero chamtendere ku Bel Air, ndendende mitundu ya ziwonetsero zomwe apolisi aku Haiti m'misewu [panthawiyi] akhala akuwombera kale ziwonetsero zopanda zida, akhala akupha kale anthu m'misewu. Ndipo tsopano, owombera apolisi aku People's Republic of China aphunzitsa apolisi aku Haiti njira zowombera padenga? Ndizowopsa Dennis, sindingathe kulingalira chilichonse chomwe chikuwonetsa kuwirikiza kwa United Nations, kuyitcha kuti ntchito yosunga mtendere.
Bernstein: Ndikuchita nawo zomwe zikufanana ndi kuyeretsedwa kwa gulu lalikulu kwambiri la demokalase, gulu la pro-Aristide. Pakapita nthawi takhala tikumva za mapulani achinsinsi ochotsa mamembala opitilira 25,000 a gulu lolimbikitsa demokalase kapena kuwapha kuti apange malo otchedwa chisankho chomwe chichitike nthawi ina komanso kwina.
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Colin Powell anali ku Haiti sabata yatha ndipo anthu adawombera pamene anali ku nyumba ya pulezidenti. Lankhulani za zimene anali kuchita kumeneko ndi kufunika kwa ulendo wake. Ndipo mwamvapo chiyani za kuwombera kumeneku?
Pina: Ndizosangalatsa kwambiri; pali ena achinyengo kwambiri ndipo ndiyenera kunena za anthu oyipa kwambiri ku Haiti. Ndikupatsani chitsanzo; panali kuwombera koyendetsa mu 1993 komwe ndidapulumuka, ndipo adawombera munthu wolakwika yemwe ndimamufunsa Senator [yosamveka], yemwe sindimadziwa kuti atayima kumbuyo kwanga pomwe amayendetsa, kenako zidachitika. ndinadabwa kuona mโmaลตa mwake anandiimba mlandu wofuna kupha Senator. Ndiwo maganizo amene ena mwa anthuwa amaika mu zina mwa zimene zikuchitika ku Haiti lerolino.
Zisudzo zomwe zinachitika pamene Colin Powell anali palibe kusiyana. Mwachitsanzo, iwo amati kunabwera galimoto nโkuombera kunyumba yachifumu. Zomwe sanena, zomwe Associated Press ndi Reuters zimasiya ndikuti pazida ziwiri zozungulira nyumba yachifumu dera lonselo limayang'aniridwa ndi apolisi aku Haiti okhala ndi zida zambiri. kutiuza kuti galimoto yodzaza ndi mfuti za Lavalas ingadutse m'zingwe zokhala ndi zida zamphamvu kwambiri m'dziko lonselo'? Komanso [panali] magulu ankhondo a United Nations omwe ali m'makona limodzi nawo, kotero kuti china chake sichili bwino, china chake chalakwika. Galimotoyo itadutsa ndikuombera kudera la nyumba yachifumu chifukwa apolisi aku Haiti amafuna kuti idutse ndikumveka kuti mfutiyo imvekedwe pomwe Colin Powell amalankhula, chifukwa uthenga wa Colin Powell unali wotani? 'Iwo ndiwo mtundu ndendende wa zigawenga zomwe tiyenera kulimbana nazo ndi kuwachotsa.' Ndipo ndithudi, imeneyo inali code ya 'Lavalas'; kachiwiri Lavalas ndi wolakwa. Tsiku lomwelo muli ndi ndende ya dziko; amanena kuti akaidiwo anayamba kuchita zachiwawa ndipo anaukira alonda.Kodi anawaukira ndi chiyani, misuwachi yawo? Akaidi andale khumi ndi mmodzi [aphedwa]; anena tsopano kuti Lavalas akulowa kundende ndikupha zake? Umo ndi momwe izi zikuchitikira.
Bernstein: Ndikufuna kuthera mphindi yomaliza pa ntchito yomwe magulu omenyera ufulu wachibadwidwe, makamaka Amnesty International, adachita pakulephera kwawo kulemba izi m'njira yoti atha kuyankha chidolechi.
Pina: Ndikunena za chithunzi chomwe munandifotokozera poyamba. Ngati ine ndi chuma changa chochepa ndi antchito anga, ogwira ntchito omwe ndimagwira nawo ntchito, a atolankhani ena aku Haiti ndi atolankhani akunja omwe ali pansi, atha kupeza umboni wazithunzi izi ndipo tikhoza kufunsa mabanja ndipo tikhoza kufunsa mboni, chifukwa chiyani gehena sangatero bungwe ngati Amnesty International ndi zida zake zonse ndi mbiri yake padziko lonse lapansi? Ndi zomwe sindikumvetsa. Chifukwa chiyani tingachite izi ndi zinthu zochepa zomwe tili nazo, koma sangathe
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