M'mawa wa 13 September 2001, ndi maola 48 pambuyo pa masoka owopsa ku New York ndi Washington, DC pa September 11th, ndinalandira telefoni kuchokera kwa wopanga Fox Television Network News ku New York City. Anandipempha kuti ndipite ku pulogalamu ya TV ya O'Reilly Factor usiku womwewo kuti tikambirane za Bill O'Reilly pa nkhani ya nkhondo ndi mtendere. O'Reilly anganene kuti United States ikupita kunkhondo chifukwa cha zigawenga zomwe zidachitika pa Seputembara 11, ndipo ndinganene kuti nkhaniyi ithetsedwe mwamtendere.
Mpaka pamenepo ndidakana dala zopempha zambiri zofunsa mafunso okhudza zochitika zoyipa za Seputembara 11 komanso zomwe zikuyenera kuchitika chifukwa sizinali zomveka kwa ine ndendende zomwe zikuchitika. Koma mwatsoka The O'Reilly Factor anali ndi nambala wani pa owonera TV pa pulogalamu iliyonse yolankhulirana ku America. Ndinamva mwamphamvu kwambiri ngati mfundo yakuti munthu m'modzi wochokera ku American Peace Movement ayenera kupita ku pulogalamuyo ndikutsutsa nkhaniyo kwa anthu aku America kuti United States of America sayenera kupita kunkhondo ngakhale kuti panali tsoka lalikulu. zidaperekedwa kwa ife tonse.
Ndidatsutsana ndi O'Reilly m'mbuyomu kotero ndimadziwa bwino za mtundu wa nkhanza zomwe ndingayembekezere kuchokera kwa iye. Chifukwa chake kwa maola angapo otsatira ndidakambirana ndi O'Reilly kudzera mwa wopanga wake za momwe ndingawonekere komanso mkangano wathu, zomwe adagwirizana nazo. Panthawiyo sindimazindikira kuti O'Reilly amandipangitsa kuti andichotse ntchito monga momwe angachitire ndi Pulofesa Sami Al-Arian atangonditsutsa.
Mkangano wathu utatha, ndinabwerera kuchokera ku situdiyo ya kanema wa pasukulupo kupita ku ofesi yanga kuti ndikatseke kompyutayo, kenako ndikupita kunyumba madzulo. Nditafika mu ofesi yanga, ndinapeza kuti mauthenga anga a mawu anali odzaza ndi madandaulo oipitsitsa, oipa, oipa ndi ziwopsezo. Zinalinso chimodzimodzi ndi imelo yanga mubokosi. Ndidachotsa mauthenga onsewa momwe ndingathere, kenako ndidapita kunyumba kuti ndikawonere zina zonse za O'Reilly's 9/11 usiku womwewo pa Fox ndi mkazi wanga. Panthawiyo anali akuseweretsanso zigawo zina za mkangano wathu ndikupempha ndemanga zotsutsa kuchokera kwa Newt Gingrich ndi Jeane Kirkpatrick. Tidazimitsa TV monyansidwa pomwe O'Reilly adandiimba mlandu poyera kuti ndine wotsatira wa Al Qaeda. Kumvetsetsa kwanga kunali kuti Fox ndiye adapitilizabe kundiwonetsanso tepi yakupha munthuyu kwa ine usiku wonse.
Nditabwerera ku ofesi yanga tsiku lotsatira, madandaulo ambiri anali ataperekedwa ndipo anaunjikira kwa akuluakulu a yunivesite ambiri moti Dean wa sukulu yanga ya zamalamulo panthaลตiyo anapereka chikalata chondikana ndipo kenako anachiika pawebusaiti ya sukulu ya zamalamulo. Mwachiwonekere, Dean wa sukulu yanga yamalamulo panthawiyo amakhulupirira kuti Pulofesa wa zamalamulo ayenera kulimbikitsa Law of the Jungle m'malo mwa Ulamuliro wa Chilamulo. Tsopano "akudikirira" kwina, monga Dean wakale yemwe adayesa kundichotsa chifukwa cha chikhulupiriro changa champhamvu mu Ulamuliro wa Chilamulo ndi zochitika zapagulu zochirikiza izi.
Kumbali yabwino, komabe, kuchita bwino kwanga kwa O'Reilly pamtsutsoku kudandipangitsa kudzazidwa ndi zopempha zofunsa mafunso kuchokera kwa ofalitsa nkhani omwe amapita patsogolo padziko lonse lapansi. Kuchulukana kwa zoyankhulana kumeneku kwapitirirabe mpaka lero panthawi ya zochitika zonse zoopsa zomwe zachitika padziko lapansi kuyambira September 11: nkhondo yolimbana ndi Afghanistan; nkhondo yapadziko lonse yolimbana ndi uchigawenga; kuzunzidwa kwakukulu pamalamulo apadziko lonse lapansi, ufulu wachibadwidwe, ufulu wachibadwidwe, ufulu wa anthu, ndi Constitution ya United States; nkhondo yolimbana ndi Iraq; Guantanamo; mabwalo a kangaroo; chizunzo cha Bush Jr., ndi zina zotero.
Ndachita zomwe ndingathe kuti nditsutsane ndi a Bush Jr. juggernaut wa nihilism. Pamapeto pake zidzakhala kwa anthu aku America kusankha tsogolo la United States of America ndipo mwanjira ina, chifukwa cha mphamvu zaku America, mopanda chilungamo padziko lonse lapansi.
Zowopsa zomwe zilipo pano zikadali ndale zamphamvu za Machiavellian. Njira yokhayo yodziwikiratu ndi malamulo apadziko lonse lapansi, mabungwe apadziko lonse lapansi, ufulu wa anthu, ndi Constitution ya United States. M'nthawi yathu ya zida za nyukiliya, kusankha kwamunthu kukhalako komwe kumakhalako ndikodabwitsa, kowopsa, komanso kokakamiza. Monga anthu aku America, tisazengereze kugwiritsa ntchito dongosolo lofunikirali nthawi isanathe kuti tipitilize mitundu yathu ya anthu.
The Rush to War
ONERANI: THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:29) September 13, 2001 Lachinayi Transcript # 091303cb.256
GAWO: Nkhani; Wapakhomo
LENGANI: mawu 3973
MUTU: America Igwirizana: Kodi US Iyenera Kubweretsa Zigawenga Pachilungamo?
ABWENZI: Sam Huessini, Francis Boyle
ZOYAMBIRA: Bill O'Reilly
O'REILLY: Ngakhale kuti anthu ambiri aku America ali ogwirizana pothandizira Purezidenti Bush komanso kufuna kubweretsa Osama bin Laden ndi zigawenga zina, pali mawu osiyanasiyana.
Obwera nafe tsopano kuchokera ku Washington ndi Sam Husseini, wolankhulira wakale wa Arab Anti - American Anti-Discrimination Committee, ndipo wochokera ku Urbana, Illinois, ndi Francis Boyle, pulofesa wazamalamulo padziko lonse lapansi ku University of Illinois ku Urbana-Champaign.[โฆ]
O'REILLY: Dulani maikolofoni yake. Chabwino, tsopano, Bambo Boyle, Pulofesa Boyle, tiyeni tikhale ndi zokambirana zomveka bwino pano. Zimenezo zinali zosamveka.
United States tsopano ikuyenera kuchitapo kanthu motsutsana ndi magawo ena padziko lapansi omwe tikudziwa kuti akhala akusunga anthu ngati Osama bin Laden. Izo zichitika. Kodi mudzachita bwanji zimenezo?
FRANCIS BOYLE, PULOFESA WA LAMULO: Chabwino, choyamba ndikuganiza kuti muyenera kuyang'ana lamulo lomwe likukhudzidwa. Mwachiwonekere zomwe tili nazo pano, pansi pa malamulo aku United States ndi malamulo apakhomo, ndizochitika zauchigawenga zapadziko lonse zomwe ziyenera kuchitidwa motero. Sichinakwezedwebe ku nkhondo. Pankhondo, timafunikira umboni kuti dziko lakunja lidalamula kapena kuyambitsa kuwukira United States of America. Mpaka pano, umboni umenewo sitinaupeze. Tithaโฆ
O'REILLY: Chabwino, tsopano bwanji muli, bwanji, chifukwa chiyani mukuchita izi pomwe mukudziwa kuti magulu ankhondo aukira United States. Tsopano, mwina alibe dziko, koma ndi zokakamiza. Iwo aukira United States, chabwino? Popanda chenjezo, popanda kuputa. Zolinga za anthu wamba. Iwo achita chirichonse chimene mchitidwe wankhondo umachita.
Chifukwa chake, ndikunena izi chifukwa tikukhala m'dziko losiyana tsopano, komwe malire alibe kanthu, komwe uchigawenga ndi chida chosankha, mutha kulengeza nkhondo - ndikadakhala Purezidenti Bush, ndikadalengeza nkhondo pa chilichonse. mphamvu zaudani, zindikirani mawu amenewo, pulofesa, magulu odana ndi United States. Ndikadakhala ndi chilengezo chonse cha nkhondo kuti ndilowe ndi kupha anthu amenewo. Kodi ndingalakwitse?
BOYLE: Chabwino, Bill, mpaka pano muwona kuti Congress sinafune kulengeza nkhondo. Ndipo ndithudi, nkhani imeneyi ikutsutsana pakali pano. Pakali pano, zikuwoneka kuti zomwe akufunazo sizolengeza nkhondo zonse, koma zomwe ife aphunzitsi a zamalamulo timazitcha kuti chilengezo chopanda ungwiro, zomwe zikutanthauza kugwiritsa ntchito pang'ono mphamvu zankhondo pansi pa Nkhondo Yankhondo Yankhondo ya 1973.
Ndendende chifukwa chavuto lomwe sitikudziwa ngati dziko lililonse lidakhudzidwa ndipo sitikudziwabe yemwe adayambitsa zigawenga zomwe zidachitika ku United States of America.
O'REILLY: Chabwino, koma tili ndi mlembi wa boma akunena kuti Osama bin Laden tsopano walumikizidwa ndipo, mukudziwa, tilibe zidziwitso zonse zanzeru, monga Purezidenti Bush adanena lero. Iye sadzatipatsa ife, ndipo sayenera, anthu a ku America chidziwitso chonse chomwe ali nacho. Koma mlembi wa boma akadzuka nโkunena kuti, tawonani, tikudziwa kuti munthuyu anachita nawo mbali inayake, ndimamukhulupirira.
Ndipo iye ndi munthu wofunidwa, pulofesa. Wakhala akufunidwa kwa zaka zisanu ndi zitatu. Oyang'anira Clinton analibe mtima womupeza ndipo m'miyezi ingapo yoyambirira utsogoleri wa Bush sunatero. Tsopano tikudziwa, ndipo mudangomva wothandizira wa FBI akunena kuti Afghanistan yakhala ikugwira ntchito kwa zaka zambiri ndikusunga anthu amtunduwu. Ndithudi, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, mayiko asanuwa, ndithudi akhala akudana ndi United States ndipo apatsidwa doko lotetezeka kwa zigawenga izi. Icho ndi chowona.
BOYLE: Chabwino, ndinene, mlembi wa boma anali wosamala kwambiri pamawu omwe amalankhula. Anati Osama bin Laden anali wokayikira. Iye sanamunene mlandu. Ndipo, kachiwiri, muzochitika izi ...
O'REILLY: Ayi, sanagwiritse ntchito mawu oti wokayikira. Anagwiritsa ntchito mawu ena.
BOYLE: Akaunti yomwe ndidawerengamo, ndikungochoka pawaya, adatero wokayikira. Koma ndipitirize mfundo yanga. Pazifukwa izi, pomwe tili ndi anthu aku America a 5,000 omwe adamwalira ndipo titha kukhala ndi anthu ambiri aku America omwe adaphedwa pamkangano, tiyenera kusamala kwambiri, Congress ndi anthu aku America ndi purezidenti, kuti asachulukitse mawu apa.
Tiyenera kuyang'ana izi mwanzeru kwambiri. Iyi ndi demokalase. Tili ndi ufulu wowona zomwe umboniwo uli ndikupitilira pang'onopang'ono komanso mwadala.
O'REILLY: Ayi, sititero. Sitikhala, monga republic, tilibe ufulu wowona zomwe umboni uli ngati umboni wachitetezo cha dziko, monga mukudziwa.
Tsopano, ine ndikudalira boma langa kuti lichite chinthu choyenera, pano. Ndikudalira. Koma ndikuganiza kuti sizokayikitsa pakali pano, mosakayikira, zomwe ndi, monga mukudziwira, khothi lamilandu, kuti pali zisanu, North Korea zomwe mungathe kuziyika, mayiko asanu ndi limodzi padziko lapansi omwe ali nawo. anasunga zigawengazi mosalekeza.
Tsopano, tikudziwa kuti uku kunali kuyesayesa kogwirizana bwino. Luntha lathu loyambirira likuwonetsa kuti ena mwa anthu omwe adamangidwa ali ndi ubale ndi Osama bin Laden. Tikudziwa, monga mudamva wothandizira wa FBI akunena, kuti kuphulika kwa mabomba kwa World Trade Center mu 1993 kumangiriridwa ndi mnyamata yemwe ankadziwa bin Laden. Chifukwa chake, bin Laden - ndikugwirizana nanu, kuti simukufuna kukhala munthu wamba. Simukufuna kuchita mopambanitsa. Simukufuna kuponya mizinga pamalo ogulitsa mankhwala ku Sudan, zomwe zinali zowopsa, ndipo inali mfundo imodzi yabwino, kapena mfundo yabwino, yomwe a Husseini adapanga, simukufuna kutero.
Koma, kumbali ina, pulofesa, ndikuganiza kuti Achimerika ali olondola, akulondola, kufuna kuti achitepo kanthu motsutsana ndi mayiko omwe tikudziwa kuti m'mbuyomu adasunga anthuwa ndipo pali chikalata choti Osama bin Laden amangidwe. Kotero, ngati ali ku Afghanistan, ndikanapatsa boma limenelo masiku angapo kuti limupereke, ndipo ngati sakanatero, ndikanalowa.
BOYLE: Chabwino, kachiwiri. Anthu aku America akulondola. Tiyenera kuwona umboni. Ndikukumbukira anthu akunena m'badwo wakale, panthawi ya nkhondo ya Vietnam, ndinakhulupirira boma langa. Ndipo ine ndikuganiza anthu am'badwo wanga anapeza kuti izo zinali zolakwika. Tinafunikira umboni wowonjezereka.
O'REILLY: Chabwino. Pulofesa, ndiroleni ndikuyimitseni pamenepo. Iyi ndi mfundo ina yomwe bambo Husseini anayesa kunena. Chifukwa chakuti dziko la United States of America linalakwitsapo kale, sizikutanthauza kuti sitingathe kudziteteza panopa.
Izi ndizochitika zapadera m'mbiri. Tsopano tawukiridwa ndi mphamvu zopanda malire, chabwino? Tawukiridwa. Ndipo sikunakhale kuwukira kwankhondo, kwakhala kuwukira anthu wamba. Chifukwa chake, chifukwa chokha chomwe boma la federal lilili ndikuteteza anthu aku United States.
Ndipo monga ndidanenera mu memo yanga ya "Talking Points", sanagwire ntchitoyo, pazifukwa zandale.
Koma tsopano ndi nthawi yokonza zinthu zimenezo. Kotero, pakhala kuwerengera, Pulofesa. Inu mukudziwa izo zichitika. Ndikudziwa kuti zichitika. Ndipo izi zitsikira pa Osama bin Laden poyamba ndipo mwina ena mwa mayiko ovutawa pambuyo pake. Kodi mungagwirizane ndi zimenezo?
BOYLE: Ndisanachirikize nkhondo yomwe idzaika pangozi miyoyo ya zikwi makumi ambiri za asilikali ndi akazi athu, ndikufuna kuwona umboni umene timadalira kuti titsimikizire izi. Mpaka pano, sindikuwona. Ndikuwona zotsutsa. Ndikuwona malingaliro. Ndikuwona maso ndipo ndikuwona kugwedeza, koma sindikuwona umboni womwe mukufunikira pansi pa malamulo apadziko lonse lapansi ndi malamulo aku United States mpaka pano kuti mupite kunkhondo. Mwinamwake umboni umenewo udzakhalapo, koma palibe tsopano.
Malingaliro anga ku Congress ndikuchepetsa, tiyeni tiwone zomwe zikuchitika ndipo tiwone umboniwu ndi chiyani tisanatuluke mwadala osati kungopha anthu ambiri, mwina ku Afghanistan ndi mayiko ena, koma mosakayika m'magulu athu ankhondo.
Amuna a 58,000 am'badwo wanga adzapha ku Vietnam chifukwa cha khalidwe losasamala la akuluakulu a Johnson akuthamangitsira chisankho cha Tonkin Gulf kupyolera mu Congress, ndendende zomwe tikuwona tsopano. Ndipo tiyenera kubwerera mmbuyo ndikuyima ndikuganiza ndikufunsa mafunso ovuta ndikufunsa kuti tiwone umboni kaye, tisanagube kupita kunkhondo.
O'REILLY: Chabwino, ndiye sikokwanira kuti anthu omwe adamangidwa pakuphulitsidwa kwa akazembe ku Africa adapereka umboni kukhoti kuti Osama bin Laden anali kumbuyo ndipo adathandizira ndalama ndikuwongolera kuphulitsako. Umboni umenewo siwokwanira kwa inu?
BOYLE: Chabwino, Africa ndi nkhani yosiyana kwambiri ndi zomwe zidachitika ku World Trade Center.
O'REILLY: Ayi, sichoncho. Amafunidwa, akufunidwa ku United States chifukwa cha kuphulitsa kwa akazembe awiriwo. Kodi umboni umenewo ndi wokwanira kwa inu, pulofesa, kuti United States mulowemo ndi kukatenga munthu uyu? Ndi zokwanira?
BOYLE: Kuti, nkhaniyi idawonedwa ndikugwiridwa ngati uchigawenga wapadziko lonse lapansi molingana ndi malamulo ndi machitidwe a United States of America ngati funso lazamalamulo apanyumba ndi mayiko. Ndipo ndikunena kuti umu ndi momwe tiyenera kuchitira apa ...
O'REILLY: Chabwino, dikirani. Mukuzemba funso pulofesa.
BOYLE:โฆ pokhapokha ngati tili ndi umboni kutiโฆ
O'REILLY: Dikirani, pulofesa. Pulofesa. Iyi si malo ozungulira. Gwirani izo. Gwirani izo. Ngakhale kunja ku Urbana Champagne, palibe malamulo ozungulira. Mukuzemba funso. Pali mwamtheradi chilolezo chomangidwa mwamphamvu kwa munthu uyu. Umboni mโkhoti, umboni wa anthu amene anachita kuphulitsa mabomba kuti munthu ameneyu ndiye anali kumbuyo kwake. Kodi uwo ndi umboni wokwanira kuti United States alowe ndikumutenga tsopano? Ndi zokwanira?
BOYLE: United States ikuyesera kuti atulutsidwe ku Afghanistan. Ndithandiziraโฆ
O'REILLY: Inde, ndizotalika kokwanira.
BOYLE: Ndimathandizira njira imeneyi ngati yapadziko lonse lapansiโฆ
O'REILLY: Bwerani kale, ndikutanthauza, zaka zisanu ndi zitatu, takhala tikuyesera kubweza munthu uyu. Ino ndi nthawi yoti muuze anthu aku Afghan kuti muli ndi maola 48 kapena maola 72 kuti mutembenuke. Osamutembenuza, tikubwera ndikumutenga. Inu mukuyesera kutiletsa ife, ndipo ndinu toast. Zokwanira, pulofesa.
BOYLE: Ndiko kukhala maso. Izi sizomwe United States of America ikuyenera kuyimilira. Tiyenera kuyimaโฆ
O'REILLY: Ayi, ndikuteteza dziko ku zigawenga zomwe zimapha anthu wamba.
BOYLE: โฆ pa ulamuliro wa malamulo.
O'REILLY: Sikuti kukhala maso.
BOYLE: Tikuyenera kuyimilira malamulo, ndipo uku ndikuwonetsetsa. Pali Security Council, pali Congress, pali njira ndipo pali malamulo, ndipo alipo kuti atiteteze tonsefe kuno ku United States komansoโฆ
O'REILLY: Ndiye mukundiuza ...
BOYLE: โฆ komanso atumiki athu ndi akazi. Taonani, Bill, ngati ife tikuti, monga inu munaziyika izo, kulowa, inu simulowamo, ine sindilowamo. Iwo akhala anyamata ndi atsikana otumikira mu gulu lathu lankhondoโฆ
O'REILLY: Ndipo ndiyo ntchito yawo. Kuti atiteteze. Koma, pulofesa, ndiroleni ine, inu mukudziwa, zomwe mukunena ndi, aa, aa, aa, gwirani. Gwirani izo. Gwirani izo. Gwirani izo.
B0YLE: โฆ ndi malamulo komanso malamulo aku United States.
O'REILLY: Sitikuphwanya malamulo aliwonse pano, pulofesa. Palibe amene adzaphwanya lamulo. Padzakhala nkhondo yolimbana ndi mayiko, mayiko, zigawenga, zomwe zatiukira. Ndipo zomwe mukunena ndi, komabe, ndikuwongolera ngati ndikulakwitsa, mukunena kuti ngakhale pali chilolezo chovomerezeka kuti Osama bin Laden amangidwe, ndipo ngakhale mayiko ambiri otukuka angalemekeze chilolezocho ndikutembenuka. iye kwa ife, kumupereka iye kwa ife, unyinji wa mayiko padziko lapansi angachite zimenezo, inu mukutsutsabe kuti United States ifunse kuti boma la Taliban limange munthu uyu ndi kumupereka iye? Mumatsutsa zimenezo?
BOYLE: Panthawi ya Gulf War, Purezidenti Bush, yemwe amadziwa zambiri kuposa Purezidenti Bush, adapeza chigamulo cha Security Council chololeza United States of America kugwiritsa ntchito mphamvu kuthamangitsa Iraq ku Kuwait. Chachiwiri, Purezidenti Bush bambo adapeza chigamulo chovomerezeka cha War Powers Authorization kuchokera ku Congress chomwe chidamupatsa mphamvu zogwiritsa ntchito gulu lankhondo kuti akwaniritse chigamulo cha Security Council.
Zomwe ndikuyitanira pano ndikutsatiridwa komweko kumalamulo apadziko lonse lapansi komanso malamulo a United States omwe Purezidenti Bush woyamba adatsatira pothana ndi Iraq.
O'REILLY: Chabwino, mupeza zimenezo, pulofesa. Uwo ndi mwambo chabe. Kumeneko - palibe aliyense pa Capitol Hill pompano, sapita - palibe mbiri ya olimba mtima kumeneko, nthawi zambiri. Apereka Purezidenti Bush zomwe akufuna. Ngati akufuna War Powers Act, amupatsa. Iye akufuna chilengezo, iwo adzachipereka icho kwa iye.
BOYLE: Kwenikweni, akukangana za iziโฆ
O'REILLY: Amupatsa. Koma ine sindiri nazo chidwi ndi zimenezo, chifukwa izo ziti zichitike. Zichitika.
BOYLE: Malipoti - ayi, malipoti omwe ndidawerenga anali akuti Purezidenti Bush poyamba adapempha cheke, ndipo Congress idachita mantha chifukwa adayamwidwa kale ...
O'REILLY: Chabwino, sindiri - zongopeka sizomwe ndilimo - chabwino, pulofesa. Sindikufuna kulingalira. Ndingonena m'malingaliro anga kuti adzakhala ndi ulamuliro wopita kukatenga Osama bin Laden ndi amzake, kulikonse komwe ali. Iye adzapeza ulamuliro umenewo, kaya zingatenge tsiku kapena sabata, iye adzaupeza iwo. Ndipo akachipeza, tsopano, ndicho chimene ine ndikufuna kuti ndiyankhule apa. Akachipeza, kodi inu ndi ena onga inu mudzati, o, ayi, sitiyenera kuchita izi, ngakhale tili ndi umboni wa munthuyo - adakonza zophulitsa mabomba ku Africa ndi Cole, umboni ku Yemen, sichoncho? ndikunenabe, ngakhale ulamuliro utaperekedwa ndi Congress, zomwe zidzakhale, ayi, musatero, lolani Afghanistan imugwire?
Kodi muchitabe zimenezo, pulofesa?
BOYLE: Chachiwiri, monga abambo ake, abambo ake adalandiranso chilolezo ku United States, United Nations Security Council pansi pa mutu 7 wa UN Charterโฆ
O'REILLY: O, mukufuna kupita ku UN tsopano? Mukufuna kuti UN ilowe nawo tsopano.
BOYLE: Ndi zomwe bambo ake anachita...
O'REILLY: Ndiye bwanji?
BOYLE: Ndi kulondola ndendende.
O'REILLY: Bambo ake adalakwitsa kwambiri posatulutsa Sadam Hussein pomwe adatha.
BOYLE: Bambo ake adatsatira njira zomwe zimafunikira pansi pa malamulo a United States komanso pangano la United Nations lomwe ndi pangano komanso lamulo lalikulu kwambiri ladziko lathu. Ndikuyembekeza kuti Purezidenti Bush achite ndendende zomwe abambo ake adachita asanayambe kuchita nawo nkhondo yayikulu ku Iraq kapena maiko ena ...
O'REILLY: Chabwino, sindikudziwa ngati apita - ndikudziwa kuti sadzalola UN kulamula. Iye akhoza kupita kukagwirizana. Ali nazo kale ndi Putin ndi onse ogwirizana nawo a NATO, wapita kale. Kaya apita - ndikuganiza kuti kungakhale kulakwitsa kulola - kupatsa mphamvu UN muzochitika izi.
BOYLE: Ndiye nโchifukwa chiyani bambo ake anachita zimenezi?
O'REILLY: Ndikupita - timaliza izi ndi izi. Ndipereka chidule changa chomaliza ndiyeno mutha kupereka yanu, ndikupatsani mawu omaliza.
Uyu ndi wothawathawa yemwe tikulimbana naye pano. Tsopano wamangidwa ndi mabungwe azamalamulo aku US, malinga ndi Attorney General Ashcroft ndi mlembi wa boma, omangidwa ndi bomba loopsali kuno ku New York. United States iyenera kuyankhapo pa izi, ndipo ndikugwirizana nanu mwanjira ina, sizingakhale zopumira. Izo ziyenera kuchitidwa mwadongosolo.
Congress ipitilira, atha kukangana kapena chilichonse, koma apita nawo mu Nkhondo Yankhondo, Nkhondo Yapadera Yankhondo kapena chilengezo chankhondo yolimbana ndi magulu odana ndi United States. Kenako adzalowa ndi kumutenga. Munthu amene mukumuyang'ana pa TV ndi munthu wakufa. Ayenera kukhala munthu wakufa. Simuchita zomwe adachita ndikuloledwa kuyendayenda padziko lapansi.
Tsopano, ndikukhumudwa, profesa, chifukwa cha kudalira kwanu, kudalira kalata yolimba ya zoyenera, pamene ife tiri ndi anthu 10,000 agona mumsewu pafupi makilomita 22 kuchokera kwa ine pakali pano. Ndikufuna kukambirana. Ndikufuna kulanga mwadongosolo, koma ndikufunanso kuchitapo kanthu. Tikudziwa kuti munthu uyu ndi ndani. Timadziwa maboma amene amamuteteza. Tikudziwa maiko ena a rouge omwe ali ndi misasa ya zigawenga kumeneko. Iwo onse ayenera kuchitidwa, mwa lingaliro langa. Ndikupatsani mawu omaliza.
BOYLE: Zedi, ndikugwirizana nawe, Bill. Iye ndi wothawa chilungamo ndipo izi ziyenera kuchitidwa ngati anthu ena othawa ku chilungamo cha malamulo apadziko lonse. Ngati pali umboni woti dziko lakunja lidakonza ndikulamula kuti liwukire United States ndiye kuti ndi nkhondo yomwe iyenera kuchitidwa motere ...
O'REILLY: Nanga bwanji doko?
BOYLE: Pakali panoโฆ
O'REILLY: Kodi kusunga ndi nkhondo?
BOYLE: M'malingaliro anga, ayi. Ndipo pansi pa zomwe zikuchitika pano, sindikuziwona.
O'REILLY: Chabwino, pulofesa.
BOYLE: Ndikuganiza kuti pali kusiyana apa.
O'REILLY: Chabwino, kulungani, ngati mungafune.
BOYLE: Ndikuvomereza - ndikuvomereza kuti - tikapita kunkhondo mwachangu kuno, titha kuwona asitikali aku US akuphedwa popanda chilolezo chovomerezeka ndi Congress kapena United Nations Security Council.
O'REILLY: Chabwino.
BOYLE: Abambo athu oyambitsa adaganiza kuti chosankha chabwino kwambiri chomwe tingapange ndi kupita kunkhondo, ndipo tiyenera kusamala kwambiri popanga chisankho.
O'REILLY: Chabwino, pulofesa, ndimayamikira kwambiri. Zikomo chifukwa cha malingaliro anu.
BOYLE: Zikomo, Bill.