Ichi ndi gawo loyamba la pulogalamuyi Komabe timalota mndandanda, pomwe mawu ochokera kumadera onse omenyera ufulu wa osamukira kumayiko ena ku US amalankhula zakuyankha pazisankho za a Donald Trump ndi momwe akumangirira mayendedwe awo. Adzalankhula za chilichonse kuyambira kupambana mkangano wapagulu mpaka kumanga njira zoyankhira mwachangu mpaka zigawenga za anthu obwera. Ndipo tikhala tikuganizira zomwe zingatithandize kuthana ndi zovuta zomwe zikubwera ku UK motsutsana ndi tsankho komanso chilungamo chakusamuka.
M'mafunso oyamba otsatizana ndi omenyera ufulu wa anthu osamukira kwawo komanso omenyera ufulu wamitundu kuchokera ku US, Marienna Papa-Weidemann amalankhula ndi Peter Pedemonti, woyambitsa nawo komanso wotsogolera New Sanctuary Movement ku Philadelphia
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Bungwe la City of Sanctuary movement ku US linayamba mu 1979, pamene Los Angeles inakhazikitsa lamulo loletsa apolisi kufunsa anthu omangidwa kuti adziwe ngati ali m'mayiko ena. M'zaka zonse za m'ma 1980 izi zidachitikanso m'maboma ambiri ndipo mazana a mipingo yachipembedzo adabisala ndikunyamula anthu othawa kwawo omwe akuthawa nkhondo komanso magulu akupha omwe amathandizidwa ndi US ku Honduras, El Salvador ndi Guatemala. Pa msinkhu wa kayendetsedwe kameneka kanayendetsa njanji yapansi panthaka yokumbutsa yomwe idagwira ntchito pa Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Mโzaka za mโma 1980, mipingo yoposa 500 inali kusunga mwachinsinsi anthu othaลตa kwawo, kuwasuntha kuchokera ku Mexico kuti akapeze malo opatulika m'mizinda kudutsa US.
Masiku ano, pali mizinda yopitilira 200 ku US; maziko a mfundo yomwe imalemekezedwa ndi kutsatiridwa ndi gulu lamphamvu la dziko. Iwo ali kale atazingidwa ndi kayendetsedwe ka Trump ndipo pambuyo pake mndandandawu tidzakhala tikuwona momwe ophunzira akutetezera masukulu opatulika. Sabata ino, tikukambirana ndi Peter Pedemonti, woyambitsa nawo komanso wotsogolera wa New Sanctuary Movement ku Philadelphia (NSM). Bungwe lotsogozedwa ndi anthu osamukira kumayiko ena, la zipembedzo zosiyanasiyana, likukonza njira zothanirana ndi zigawenga, zomwe zikupitilirabe m'misewu.
Marienna: Patha masiku angapo chikhazikitsireni, mukumva bwanji?
Peter: Tidakhala ndi Kutsegulira Kwathu Lachisanu ndipo zidamveka bwino kuti tiyang'ane pazantchito. Tinali ndi magulu 20 osiyanasiyana kumeneko: Akatolika amalankhula limodzi ndi anthu ochita zachiwerewere ndi omwe kale anali ochita zachiwerewere ndipo zinamveka bwino kuona aliyense akubwera pamodzi monga choncho. Mwanjira ina, tsopano Trump ali pano, pambuyo pa miyezi yonseyi ya nkhawa komanso kuyembekezera ndikumva ngati titha kuchita, zomwe ndi zabwino. Koma ndi machitidwe osakanikirana. Pali nkhawa zambiri komanso mantha pa zomwe adzachita komanso momwe zidzakhudzire madera athu - koma mbali yaikulu ndi yakuti tikuwona anthu ambiri akutuluka kuposa kale lonse, okonzeka kumenyana.
Marienna: Kodi NSM idayamba bwanji ndipo yasintha bwanji?
Peter: Kuno ku Philly tinayamba mu 2007: atsogoleri achipembedzo, anthu ochokera kumayiko ena komanso anthu ochokera m'mabungwe ena omenyera ufulu wosamukira kumayiko ena. Onse anali odzipereka. Palibe amene anali kukonza gulu lachipembedzo ngakhale kuti mipingo yambiri inali kukhudzidwa ndi kulephera kwa mfundo za anthu osamukira kumayiko ena. Tinayamba ndi maphunziro ndi kutsagana - kuyenda ndi mabanja omwe akukumana ndi kuthamangitsidwa, kuonetsetsa kuti ali ndi maloya odalirika ndikupita nawo kukhoti, kapena kuwachezera m'ndende. Zonsezo zinali zomanga maubale. Tikugwira ntchito ndi mipingo 21 pakali pano, theka ndi osamukira. Chimodzimodzinso ndi antchito athu, tikuwonetsetsa kuti theka la gululo likusamukira kumayiko ena ndipo kutsogozedwa ndi osamukira kwawo kwakhala kofunikira.
Ndi chimodzi mwazofunikira zathu: kuti omwe akukhudzidwa ndi akatswiri pazomwe amafunikira. Pamapeto pake tikuyesetsa kusintha kusintha kwa mphamvu m'malo mwa omwe ali oponderezedwa kwambiri, ndipo ngati ndizomwe tikufuna kuziwona tiyenera kuchita m'mabungwe athu. Ndi dongosolo la mgwirizano lomwe tikugwira ntchito mosalekeza - kukhala gulu losakanikirana la anthu osamukira kumayiko ena ndi ogwirizana - koma momwe zimagwirira ntchito kupanga njira ndikuti tiyambe ndi zomvetsera, kufunsa anthu osamukira kumayiko ena zomwe zimawakhudza. Kenako pa kampeni iliyonse timapanga njira zobwerera ndi magulu ogwira ntchito osamukira ndipo amakhazikitsa njira. Kenako tinapeza kuti tikupanga tsankho lalikulu, mamembala athu osamukira kumayiko ena ndi ogwirizana nawo achizungu akugwira ntchito m'malo osiyana kwambiri ndipo tinali ngati 'chabwino izi sizikugwira ntchito, tikuyenera kulingalira momwe tingawabweretsere pamodzi.' tinasintha pang'ono.
Marienna: NSM inali yofunika kwambiri pakuthetsa mgwirizano pakati pa akuluakulu a m'deralo ndi Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Kodi kupambana kumeneku kunapambana bwanji ndipo kunatanthauza chiyani kwa anthu ammudzi?
Peter: Ichi ndi china chake chomwe chidayamba pambuyo pa 9/11. Mgwirizano pakati pa mabungwe olowa ndi apolisi unayamba pansi pa Bush koma unakula kwambiri pansi pa Obama. Poyamba kunali kusankha kulowa koma anapitirizabe kusintha malamulo. Ku Philly meya wathu anapitiriza kuima, akumvera chifundo mโmisonkhano koma osachitapo kanthu. Ankafuna kuti zisinthidwe zing'onozing'ono, zogwirizana kwambiri ndi nkhani ya 'obwera kuchokera kumayiko ena abwino, obwera oipa', koma tinkafuna kuti aliyense atetezedwe ku zotsatira za mgwirizano, kaya anthu adakokedwa chifukwa chothyoka mchira kapena adamangidwa chifukwa chachiwawa. .
Marienna: Pano muli ndi malo ena omwe akufuna kuteteza othawa kwawo okha kapena 'othawa kwawo abwino' okha, kotero ndizovuta kutuluka ndi kunena kuti: 'ayi, izi siziyenera kuchitika kwa aliyense ndipo tikufuna chitetezo kwa aliyense.'
Peter: Zinali ndipo zikadalipobe. Ena mwa mamembala athu sali 100%be, ngakhale kukhala m'gulu lachipembedzo kumatilimbikitsa kuti tiganizire za malingaliro a chikhululukiro ndi chiwombolo. Ndikukumbukira kuti tinkagwira ntchito kwambiri ndi anthu a ku Cambodia, omwe ana awo ankamenyedwa kusukulu nโkupanga magulu achifwamba kuti adziteteze, kenako anayamba kugwiritsa ntchito mankhwala osokoneza bongo komanso kuchita zachiwawa. Zimenezi zinatisonkhezeranso kutsutsa โmlendo wabwino, wosauka woipaโ ameneyu, ndipo anasonyeza kuchuluka kwa anthu amene amasiyidwa ndi zimenezo.
Marienna: Lankhulani za Malo Opatulika M'misewu.
Peter: Malo Opatulika M'misewu anayamba pansi pa Obama pamene adalengeza kuti ziwombankhanga zawonjezeka ku Central America. Malo opatulika operekedwa ndi mpingo si abwino ngati ICE abwera kudzawononga nyumba yanu, simungathe kufika kumeneko. Chotero lingaliro linali lakuti abweretse mpingo kwa iwo, kukachitira utumiki wosanganiza zipembedzo kunja kwa nyumba. Tili ndi telefoni yotsegula 24/7, lingaliro limakhala kuti timayimbira foni ndikulembera anthu ambiri omwe adalembetsa kuti awonekere ku adilesi ndikuwonetsa mgwirizano ndikuwunikira zomwe zikuchitika. Tidalembetsa 64, kenako a Trump adapambana ndipo mwadzidzidzi mazana a anthu adalembetsa pakatha maola ambiri. Pali anthu opitilira 1000 pamndandanda pano. Chifukwa chake tsopano tikuyendetsa maphunziro, ndi anthu okonzeka kumangidwa ndikulembetsanso kusamvera anthu: kuzungulira nyumba kapena ma vani ndikutsekereza njira yawo.
Marienna: Kodi mukuganiza kuti chakweza chiani kulimba mtima kapena kutsimikiza mtima kwa anthu ambiri kuti alembetse kuti amangidwe?
Peter: Zinalidi kuyankha ku chinthu chachikulu kwambiri, ndi Trump akubwera ndipo pulogalamuyo ndi njira yeniyeni yodziwirapo kuti aimirire ku chirichonse chomwe amaimira. Ndikuganiza kuti zakhala zopambana, kachiwiri chifukwa ndizolimba mtima. Ndizosokoneza, koma m'njira yomwe imagwirizana ndi kufotokozera zamtendere zomwe timakhala nazo.
Si yankho lonse, komabe. Zinthu ngati Malo Opatulika M'misewu, omwe ndi odzitchinjiriza kwambiri, nawonso amakhetsa madzi komanso ovuta kuwasamalira. Kupita patsogolo tiyenera kuwonetsetsa kuti pamene tikulimbana ndi Trump tikuchita zabwino kwanuko. Tidaphunzira pansi pa Bush kuti ngakhale zinthu zitakhala zoyipa kwambiri ku federal, titha kukhala ndi zotsatira zakumaloko. Mwachitsanzo, tili ndi kampeni ina yoletsa magalimoto a anthu osamukira kumayiko ena chifukwa saloledwa kukhala ndi laisensi yoyendetsa. Tinali ndi anthu akusiyidwa m'mphepete mwa msewu ndi ana awo 2am. Komanso zimawononga ndalama ngati $1000 kuti galimotoyo ibwerere, yomwe kwa mamembala athu ambiri ndi malipiro a mwezi umodzi. Ndipo tinatha kupangitsa mzindawu kumasuliranso lamulolo mofewa, kuwapatsa mphindi 30 kuti aitane wina kuti abwere kudzatenga galimotoyo. Apanso, ndizo zolimba, zotsatira za konkire kwa anthu pano ndi pano ndipo kukhazikika ndikofunikira: pakati pa kumenyana koma nthawi zonse kukankhira chinachake chabwino.
Marienna: Simukungodutsa malire amtundu ndi kalasi komanso chikhulupiriro, ndipo chimodzi mwazofunikira kwambiri ndikuphatikiza mizikiti yambiri mu Malo Opatulika M'misewu.
Peter: Sitinachite bwino kukonza mizikiti. Ndi zomwe takhala tikuyesera kwa zaka zingapo, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ndaphunzirapo maphunziro akuluakulu okhudza kufunikira kwa omwe muli nawo m'chipindamo mukayamba, chifukwa izi zimapanga chikhalidwe nthawi yomweyo, kaya mukufuna. kapena ayi, ndipo zinthu zambiri zomwe Asilamu akukumana nazo ndizopadera. Kupanga chinthu ndikuyitanira anthu ena ndi magulu kuti alowemo ndizovuta kwambiri.
Tikupanga maubwenzi ndi misikiti koma ndizovuta kwambiri chifukwa cha akazitape aboma komanso kuwopseza Asilamu. Panali mzikiti umodzi womwe ndimagwira nawo ntchito ndipo ndimadumphira pamapemphero a Lachisanu ndipo mwadzidzidzi nkhani yayikuluyi idawoneka yokhudza dipatimenti ya apolisi ku New York yomwe idalowa m'misikiti ku New York ndi Philadelphia ndipo ndili komweko, mzungu uyu akuyenda mozungulira mwina. kuwoneka ngati wapolisi, zomwe sizinali zothandiza kwenikweni. Pali milingo yambiri ya kusakhulupirirana, ndipo pazifukwa zabwino kwambiri. Ndikuganiza kuti tifunika kuyamba ndi njira yoyeserera yoyeserera yomvetsera mdera la Asilamu kuti tidziwe zomwe akufuna kugwirira ntchito, ndikuchitapo kanthu m'malo mowabweretsa pazomwe tikuchita kale. Sitinakhalepo ndi kuthekera kwa izi, koma ndichinthu chomwe tikuyesera kuti tidziwe.
Marienna: Kodi chikuchitika ndi chiyani m'mitima ndi malingaliro aku America? Tidachoka bwanji ku Obama kupita pafupifupi-Bernie mpaka mwina-Clinton kupita ku Donald Trump?
Peter: Trump atabwera miyezi 18 yapitayo, tidamchotsa ngati munthu wamatsenga yemwe amakhala ndi mphindi yake ndikuchoka.
Marienna: - ndi zomwe anthu ambiri pano adanena za Brexit.
Peter: Ndendende. Ndikukumbukira ndikuwerenga za UKIP ndi kuyambiranso kwa Neo-Nazi ku Germany ndi magulu akumanja akumayiko aku Europe, ndipo pano tili ndi ma Republican ndi Democrats, koma kuyang'ana zomwe zidatipangitsa kuyika dzina, kuti tiwone: 'oh. , Trump, iye ndi wokonda dziko lapansi ngati si fascist,' ndipo pambuyo pake tinayamba kumutenga mozama kwambiri. Zakhala zovuta kuti titchule zomwe iye ali, koma kumvetsera ku Ulaya kwatithandiza kwambiri kuona zomwe zikuchitika kuno ku US ndi lens yomveka bwino.
Kuti tiyankhe funso lanu, pali malipoti owerengera omwe akuwonetsa kuti m'zaka za 20 azungu ataya ambiri ku States ndipo ali ndi anthu ambiri amantha. Iwo akuwopa kutaya mphamvu zawo, ndipo pakhala pali chizoloลตezi ichi posachedwapa m'madera osauka a azungu omwe amapeza kuti nthawi ya moyo ikucheperachepera, pali mankhwala osokoneza bongo ambiri ndipo kwa nthawi yoyamba moyo wa mbadwo wotsatira umakhala woipitsitsa, osati bwino. Anthu amadziona ngati ozunzidwa mwanjira ina.
Marienna: Mukuyang'ana kutsogolo, mukuganiza kuti gulu liyenera kukhala liti chaka kuchokera pano ndipo ndi mfundo ziti zomwe zingatifikitse ku nthawi yovutayi?
Peter: Wow, funsoli limandipangitsa kuzindikira kuti poyang'anira zovuta monga momwe tilili pakali pano mwina takhala tikukakamira pang'ono panthawiyi, kuzimitsa moto - Trump, chisankho - ndipo tiyenera kuyang'ana kutsogolo, nafenso. Takhala tikulankhula za kufunika kopitilira chitetezo, kupitilira 'zoyipa za Trump', kuti tiyike patsogolo masomphenya ena.
Marienna: Trump ndi yoopsa, koma apa pali chinachake chokongola.
Peter: Inde, ndimakonda! Ndipo palibe amene akuyendadi pa izi chifukwa ndizovuta komanso zotsutsana, koma pali osauka ambiri, azungu omwe adavotera Trump, ndipo ndani ati ayambe kuwakonza? Ndondomeko zamalonda zomwe zinalola kuti mafakitale onse a ku US apite kunja, adasiya anthu ambiri pano osagwira ntchito komanso akuwononganso dziko lonse lakum'mwera, kotero amasamukira kumpoto kwa dziko lonse ndikubwera kudzamenyana ndi malo odana kwambiri. Chifukwa chake wina ayenera kuwafikira ndikuyamba kusintha pamenepo. Ndipo kudziko lonse lapansi, ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kusaka miyoyo, makamaka ndi anthu ambiri omwe amabwera m'misewu koyamba, tiyenera kudziwa: tikulimbana ndi chiyani kwenikweni? chifukwa? Ndipo kodi timayendetsa bwanji mphamvu zonsezi m'njira yokhazikika?
Marienna: Kodi uthenga wanu ndi wotani kwa anthu osamukira kuno, ndi othandizana nawo, omwe angakhale akuyang'ana zomwe mwapeza ndikudabwa: timafika bwanji kumeneko?
Peter: Ndikuwona kuti chomwe chakhala chofunikira kwambiri kwa ife ndikukhazikika mozama pazikhalidwe zathu ndikuyika pachiwopsezo potengera zomwezo, kaya ndi Malo Oyera M'misewu yolunjika kapena kulemba ganyu anthu omwe alibe zikalata. Tikayangโana mโmbuyo zinthu zimene ndakhala ndikunyadira nazo mโmbuyomo, takhala tikukhoza bwino pamene tili olimba mtima. Zinthu zolimba mtima zomwe zimalumikizana ndi zikhalidwe za anthu ndipo zimapatsa anthu mwayi woti azisewera. Komanso posachedwapa tinapita kumsonkhano woyanjanitsa mafuko, ndikuwunika mabungwe osiyanasiyana kuchokera ku 'anthu opanda amtundu' kudzera pakuwongolera kutsogozedwa ndi anthu amitundu komanso kukhala ndi chibwenzi chenicheni. Tsopano m'mbiri yathu tidayenda mopitilira muyeso, ndikuyika patsogolo izi ndikukhala okonzeka kuchepetsa kuteteza ndi kulimbikitsa mfundozo, m'kupita kwanthawi tamanga bungwe lolimba chifukwa cha izi. Chomwe chathandiza kuposa chilichonse ndikumvetsera ndikukhala okonzeka kusintha. Ndikutanthauza kuti tisinthe kwambiri gulu lathu malinga ndi zomwe anthu osamukira kumayiko ena akunena.
Marienna Pope-Weidemann ndi wogwirizanitsa mauthenga ku Ufulu Wotsalira - @MariennaPW