JUAN GONZALEZ: Thawj Tswj Hwm ntawm Honduran Manuel Zelaya tau cog lus tias yuav rov qab los
Yav dhau los, Lub Rooj Sib Tham General tau txais kev daws teeb meem hu rau "tam sim no thiab tsis muaj xwm txheej" rov qab los ntawm Zelaya mus rau Honduran pawg thawj tswj hwm.
Zelaya raug yuam tawm ntawm chaw ua haujlwm thiab raug ntiab tawm mus
Tab sis Roberto Micheletti, uas tau raug xaiv los ua tus thawj coj ib ntus los ntawm Honduran lub rooj sib tham tsuas yog ob peb teev tom qab kev tawm tsam, tau ceeb toom tias Zelaya yuav raug ntes, yog tias nws rov qab los, tsis hais leej twg mus nrog nws.
AMY GOODMAN: Txoj kev tawm tsam tau raug txim los ntawm cov thawj coj thoob plaws ntiaj teb. Lub World Bank thiab Inter-American Development Bank tau txiav cov nyiaj qiv tshiab, thiab qee lub tebchaws nyob sab Europe tau rov qab los ntawm lawv cov Ambassadors. Cov
Nyob rau hauv
Greg Grandin nrog peb tam sim no, tus xibfwb ntawm Latin American keeb kwm ntawm
Txais tos rau Kev ywj pheej tam sim no! Qhov tseeb los ntawm
GREG GRANDIN: Thiab peb caug rau plaub caug tus neeg tau raug ntes lossis ploj lawm, raws li Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. Muaj cov lus tshaj tawm, tau tshaj tawm los ntawm - los ntawm cov neeg nyiam ua ntej tawm tsam kev tawm tsam, hais tias Battalion 316 rov ua haujlwm dua. Qhov no yog lub npe nrov battalion, ib pab tub rog tuag, uas nyob rau hauv 1980s yog lub luag hauj lwm rau ploj pua pua tus neeg. Cov ntawv ceeb toom muaj teeb meem, thiab cov thawj coj ua nom tswv tuav ceev. Lawv tab tom tawm tsam tawm tsam thoob ntiaj teb kev rau txim ntawm kev tawm tsam.
AMY GOODMAN: Cia peb rov qab mus rau 316, Battalion 316. Qhov no rov qab mus rau Reagan xyoo nrog John Negroponte, leej twg, dab tsi, UN Secretary-tus qub.
GREG GRANDIN: Yog lawm, xyoo 1980s. Thiab nws tau koom nrog hauv kev teeb tsa Honduran ceg ntawm Iran-Contra tsov rog. Thiab cov Baltimore Sun tau khiav ntau cov kab lus uas tau pom tseeb tias nws tau koom nrog hauv kev npog ntawm ntau qhov kev tua neeg tua neeg, tshaj li ib puas ploj los ntawm Battalion 316.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Zoo, kuv nco qab nyob rau hauv
GREG GRANDIN: Zoo, nws tau muaj kev cai ywj pheej txij li thaum ntxov 1980s, koj paub, tab sis qhov nqaim heev thiab txwv kev ywj pheej. Thiab nyob rau hauv qee txoj kev, qhov no yog cov neeg ua liaj ua teb cov koom haum thiab cov koom haum, uas tam sim no tiv thaiv Zelaya, uas tam sim no xav kom nws kho dua tshiab, tab tom tawm tsam kom nthuav dav, tab tom tawm tsam kom muaj kev ywj pheej thiab qhib.
Thaum Obama hais tias, thaum Thawj Tswj Hwm Barack Obama hais - nws ua kom meej meej thiab muaj zog thiab qhuas - tias nws tsis xav rov qab mus rau txoj cai tsaus ntuj yav dhau los, qhov nws hais txog yog qhov koj tab tom tham txog, thaum twg. Honduras tau ua haujlwm tau zoo ntawm Tebchaws Meskas cov kev sib tw phem tshaj plaws thaum Tsov Rog Txias. Kuv xav tias Council on Hemispheric Affairs hu ua nws
AMY GOODMAN: Kuv paub cov thawj coj ntawm tib neeg txoj cai hauv
GREG GRANDIN: Yog lawm, ua piv txwv rau tus thawj tswj hwm. Muaj cov lus ceeb toom tias kev tsim txom tau nce ntxiv. Lawv tau ncua kev ywj pheej ntawm pej xeem. Lawv tau tshaj tawm-lawv tau thov txoj cai los ntes cov neeg tsis muaj hnub kawg nees nkaum plaub teev. Raws li kuv tau hais, Inter-American Commission ntawm Human Rights tau hais tias ntawm peb caug thiab plaub caug tus neeg raug ntes lossis lawv qhov chaw nyob tsis suav nrog, yog li-
JUAN GONZALEZ: Greg, koj puas tuaj yeem tawm tswv yim txog qhov no - qhov txawv tshaj plaw ntawm qhov kev tawm tsam no tsis yog ntau ntawm kev tawm tsam, tab sis hais txog cov lus teb ntawm lwm lub tebchaws Latin America. Koj tab tom muaj - Kuv xav tias nws tsis tau muaj dua li cov thawj tswj hwm ntawm lwm lub tebchaws yuav muab coj mus rau ib tus thawj coj uas raug tshem tawm rov qab mus rau lub tebchaws kom rov muaj zog dua. Koj puas tuaj yeem tham txog yuav ua li cas qhov no - qhov hloov pauv ntawm
GREG GRANDIN: Yog, zoo, obviously, raws li ntau viewers ntawm Kev ywj pheej tam sim no! yuav paub, tias nyob rau hauv kaum xyoo dhau los no tau muaj qhov zoo kawg nkaus tig nyob rau hauv Latin America, raws li ib tug sab laug los yog nruab nrab sab laug tsoom fwv tom qab lwm, txawv nyob rau hauv txoj cai thiab style, tab sis broad cog lus rau sovereignty thiab multilateralism, tau raug xaiv, tau tuaj rau. zog.
Muaj ib qho ua ntej xyoo tas los, thaum cais tawm tsam hauv
AMY GOODMAN: Thiab, xibfwb Grandin, koj tuaj yeem tham txog Asmeskas cov lus teb, ncua kev koom tes ua tub rog tab sis tsis hu nws ua kev tawm tsam, vim qhov ntawd txhais tau tias lawv yuav tsum tau txiav tawm txhua qhov kev pab, uas yog qhov tseem ceeb heev rau Honduras, vim tias thaum peb nrog Dr. .
GREG GRANDIN: Yog, nruab nrab ntawm kev xa tawm kev lag luam thiab kev pab txawv teb chaws,
Kev nyeem tsis ntseeg ntxiv yuav nkag siab txog Lub Tsev Haujlwm Saib Xyuas Kev Ruaj Ntseg tsis kam hu nws ua kev tawm tsam raug cai, txawm hais tias Hillary Clinton tsis tau siv lo lus hauv nws cov lus tshaj tawm, tab sis pom tau tias muaj kev cai lij choj txhais tau tias kev tawm tsam yog dab tsi, yog tias lawv tab tom sim kom tau txais. leverage dhau Zelaya kom thim rov qab qee yam ntawm nws cov kev cai pej xeem. Koj tuaj yeem xav tias nws yog "Haiti Option." Rov qab thaum Bill Clinton, tus thawj tswj hwm, rov qab los ntawm Jean-Bertrand Aristide hauv xyoo 1994, nws tau ua li ntawd nyob rau hauv-thaum nws raug tshem tawm los ntawm kev tawm tsam, nws tau ua li ntawd nyob rau hauv cov xwm txheej uas Aristide yuav thim rov qab-yuav txhawb thiab tsis thim rov qab IMF thiab Ntiaj Teb. Lub txhab nyiaj kev hloov kho cov cai.
AMY GOODMAN: Thiab kuj, kuv txhais tau tias, Juan thiab kuv tau nyob ntawd hauv Haiti lub sijhawm ntawd, thiab Thawj Tswj Hwm Clinton tau thawb Aristide, thaum nws tawm mus rau peb xyoos ntawm tsib xyoos, lees txais tias peb lub xyoos tseem yuav zoo li lawv. tau ua haujlwm, yog li nws tsuas yog ua haujlwm tau ob xyoos xwb-
GREG GRANDIN: Yog.
AMY GOODMAN: -yog tias nws tsis ua raws li tag nrho cov lus cog tseg no-
GREG GRANDIN: Txoj cai.
AMY GOODMAN: - nws tau ua rau lub
JUAN GONZALEZ: Kuv xav nug koj, leej twg khiav
GREG GRANDIN: Yog lawm, kuv txhais tau tias, Otto Reich thiab Roger Noriega thiab cov neeg uas tau koom nrog thiab cuam tshuam rau xyoo 2002 sim los rhuav tshem Chavez hauv Venezuela, lawv tau txais kev pom zoo los ntawm ob lub sijhawm Bush, thiab tom qab ntawd muaj kev tshaj lij kev cai txawv teb chaws los ntawm Thomas Shannon, leej twg yog-Latin Americans xav tias yog-txhua yam teeb meem uas lawv muaj nrog nws yog qhov kev quaj deb ntawm Otto Reich thiab Roger Noriega.
Nws zoo ib yam nrog Obama. Muaj ib tug kws tshaj lij Kev Pabcuam Txawv Tebchaws. Kuv xav tias Thomas Shannon muaj-Obama khaws nws, tab sis tsis ntev los no tau hloov nws nrog Arturo Valenzuela, ib hom Kev Pabcuam Txawv Tebchaws-Democratic Foreign Service diplomat uas tau ua haujlwm yav dhau los hauv tsab ntawv no. Yog li muaj cov neeg ua haujlwm qib no-qhov koj pom ntau zaus hauv Obama tswj hwm yog Obama tau tshaj tawm zoo heev rau txhua qhov teeb meem, txawm hais tias nws yog nyob rau ntawm Lub Rooj Sib Tham ntawm Asmeskas lossis tam sim no nyob ib puag ncig qhov kev tawm tsam no, thiab tom qab ntawd- hauv av, cov tub ceev xwm qib thib ob yog kev tiv thaiv lossis ua rau muaj kev tawm tsam, nyob rau hauv rooj plaub ntawm Venezuela. Tab sis qhov ntawd yog lwm qhov -
ZNetwork tau txais nyiaj tsuas yog los ntawm kev ua siab zoo ntawm nws cov neeg nyeem.
Pab Nyiaj