Hauv qhov kawg ntawm "Scheer Intelligence," Jeff Cohen tau hais txog ntau yam, suav nrog ntau qhov kev ua tsis tiav ntawm peb cov xov xwm kev nom kev tswv thiab Blue Wave kev xaiv tsa uas tsis zoo, nrog rau yav tom ntej ntawm kev nce qib. Txawm hais tias muaj pes tsawg lub rooj sib tham hauv lub rooj sib tham nws xaus rau flipping, nws tawm tsam, Democratic Party yuav tsis zoo li hloov mus txog thaum nws hloov nws cov thawj coj: "Nws yog nuj nqis heev rau cov chav kawm pub dawb. Yog li ntawd, lawv tham nrog mush hauv lawv lub qhov ncauj. 'Peb yuav tsum muaj kev nkag tau yooj yim dua rau vaj tsev pheej yig' - tsis yog! Qhov nrov yog 'Medicare rau txhua tus.' โ
Robert Scheer: Nyob zoo, qhov no yog Robert Scheer nrog rau lwm tsab ntawm Scheer Intelligence, qhov twg kuv maj nrawm ntxiv cov kev txawj ntse los ntawm kuv cov qhua. Hauv qhov no, nws yog Jeff Cohen. Kuv xav tias tsis ntev los no kuv tau pom koj ua haujlwm ntawm Democratic Convention hauv Philadelphia, thiab koj tab tom npaj ib qho kev ua hauv paus. Tau kawg kuv tau paub koj ntau xyoo, koj - rov qab mus rau xyoo 1980s koj tau pib ib pab pawg hu ua FAIR, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, yog ib lub koom haum saib xyuas xov xwm loj. Thiab tom qab ntawd tsis ntev los no, xyoo 2011, koj tau teeb tsa RootsAction.org, thiab qhov no ua tau zoo heev lab thiab ib nrab tus neeg uas tuaj yeem thawb rau qhov kev vam meej. Tab sis yog vim li cas kuv xav nrog koj tham yog, Kuv tabtom xam phaj koj hnub tom qab kev xaiv tsa nruab nrab, ntawm USC ntawm Annenberg Tsev Kawm Ntawv rau Kev Sib Txuas Lus thiab Kev Sau Xov Xwm. Peb muaj ntau yam kev ua si hauv tsev kawm ntawv, ntau qhov screen mus tag nrho nag hmo. Tom qab ntawd txhua leej txhua tus sawv los rau tag kis no thiab tsis paub tseebโyeej tsis yog xiav nthwv dej, tab sis muaj kev cuam tshuam xiav; koj tau lub tsev. Thiab raws li kuv hais, thaum kuv pom koj zaum kawg, nws yog lub sijhawm muaj kev cia siab ntau dua, hauv qee qhov kev nkag siab, rau kev vam meej, tab sis cov dej ntws tau tig mus rau hauv Democratic Party. Thiab yog li ntawd coj kuv rov qab mus rau Philadelphia lub rooj sib tham, thiab koj puas yog Bernieite?
Jeff Cohen: Kuv yog ib tug kws tshaj lij rau Bernie Delegates Network, uas yog ib pab pawg neeg ywj pheej ntawm-uas sawv cev thiab koom nrog feem ntau ntawm Bernie delegates; nws yog ywj siab ntawm kev sib tw. Peb puas muaj kev cia siab ntau dua? Tau kawg peb. Vim hais tias txawm tias muaj kev poob siab ntawm Bernie tsis tau txais kev xaiv tsa thiab Clinton lub tshuab yeej tawm, muaj kev nkag siab ib ntus tias Hillary Clinton, sawv cev rau lub koom haum koom haum, lossis cov koom haum ywj pheej, yuav los ua tus thawj tswj hwm. Lub tis sab xis yuav raug faib tag nrho thiab tsis sib haum xeeb, vim Trump tau tuav, thiab yog tias lawv poob thiab poob loj lawv yuav tau sib ntaus sib tua. Thiab yuav muaj qhov muaj zog, koom nrog sab laug thawb rau Hillary thaum txoj cai tsis sib haum xeeb. Qhov ntawd yog qhov xwm txheej uas zoo li ua tau nyob rau lub caij ntuj sov xyoo 2016. Tab sis qhov peb tau kawm nag hmo, thiab qhov peb tau kawm rov qab los, yog tias koj tsis tuaj yeem tuav Trump tsis muaj dab tsi. Koj tsis tuaj yeem tuav Trump los ntawm tsuas yog hais tias, "Trump's a ogre." Koj yuav tsum muaj qhov program; koj yuav tsum muaj qhov program uas txaus siab rau tib neeg. Koj yuav tsum muaj qhov kev pab cuam uas zoo siab rau koj lub hauv paus, uas yog cov tub ntxhais hluas, cov neeg muaj xim, thiab muag tau rau cov neeg ua haujlwm dawb. Thiab Bernie Sanders muaj qhov kev pab cuam ntawd; Kuv nyuam qhuav ua tiav ib zaj yeeb yaj kiab uas peb tau xam phaj cov neeg ua haujlwm hauv koomhaum, cov neeg ua haujlwm qub hauv Youngstown, Ohio. Pov npav rau Obama ob zaug, pov npav rau Bernie tshaj Hillary hauv 2016 thawj zaug, thiab tom qab ntawd pov npav rau Trump. Thiab muaj ntau tus neeg ntawd. Yog li, dab tsi yog qhov kev poob siab heev txog nag hmo - thiab koj hais tias, nws puas yog xiav nthwv dej; nws zoo li ib tug xiav trickle, los yog xiav ripple. Nws yuav tsum yog lub nthwv dej xiav, tab sis tib txoj hauv kev koj tuaj yeem muaj lub nthwv dej xiav yog tias tog sawv rau ib yam dab tsi. Thiab cov tog neeg yuav tsum tau sawv cev rau cov txheej txheem nce qib uas yuav tuaj yeem tsim kev sib koom ua ke ntau haiv neeg uas tuaj yeem yeej kev xaiv tsa, hauv cov cheeb tsam nruab nrab, hauv cov cheeb tsam ua haujlwm. Peb tsis muaj qhov ntawd, vim yog kev coj noj coj ua ntawm Democratic Party. Nws yog nuj nqis heev rau cov chav pub dawb. Yog li ntawd, lawv tham nrog cov zaub mov hauv lawv lub qhov ncauj: โPeb yuav tsum muaj kev nkag tau yooj yim dua rau cov vaj tsev pheej yigโโtsis yog! Qhov nrov yog Medicare-rau-tag nrho. Kev tshawb fawb Pew tsis ntev los no tau qhia tias 51 feem pua โโโโntawm Republicans yog rau Medicare-rau-tag nrho. Kev kawm pub dawb, pej xeem hauv tsev kawm qib siab, thiab them rau nws los ntawm kev them se ntawm Wall Street. Cov txheej txheem kev loj hlob hauv tsev - thiab kuv nyuam qhuav sau ib daim ntawv qhia txog qhov no nrog lwm tus neeg los ntawm RootsAction - nws nrov heev, tsis yog nrog kev vam meej! Nws nrov nrog cov neeg thoob plaws lub rooj tsavxwm. Tab sis cov Democrats tsis tso cov txheej txheem ntawd rau pem hauv ntej, thiab yog vim li cas peb thiaj li muaj kev sib tw tsis yog nthwv dej.
RS: OK. Tab sis cia kuv nug, rov qab mus rau qhov pib ntawm no. Thiab kuv xav tsim koj daim ntawv pov thawj ntawm no.
JC: OK.
RS: Vim koj tau tawm mus lawm--thiab cia kuv hais ib yam dab tsi txog FAIR, thiab lawv tseem muaj thiab lawv tseem ua tau zoo--
JC: FAIR.org.
RS: Yog lawm. Thiab koj yog tus xibfwb qhia ntawv xov xwm hauv Ithaca College, thiab kuv xav tias kuv tau ntsib koj li ntawd, vim tias koj tau muab khoom plig rau kuv ntawm ib qho, IF Stone Awardโ
JC: Lub Izzy Award.
RS: Izzy Award. Thiab rau cov neeg mloog uas tsis nco qab tias Izzy yog leej twg - mus rau tsev kawm ntawv xov xwm, raws li kuv hais, peb nyob ntawm Annenberg, peb muaj cov tub ntxhais kawm paub txog Izzy; tuaj ntawm Berkeley lawv ua, ntawm Columbia Journalism lawv ua. Thiab nws yog ib tug neeg sau xov xwm legendary, thiab nws yog ib tug maverick; nws nyob ywj pheej. Thiab nws xav tias, tsis yog txhua lub tseem fwv tau dag - ib nqe lus uas muaj npe nrov rau nws - tab sis nws kuj xav tias txhua tus nom tswv dag, thiab nws txoj hauj lwm yog los txiav tag nrho cov ntawd. Nim no, kuv tau ntsib koj thaum koj ua li ntawd; koj kuj tau ntau heev ntawm MSNBC, koj tau ntau yam nrog kev ywj pheej euphoria, ua ntau yamโKuv khaws cia saib koj ntawm qhov screen. Thiab koj yog ib tug neeg ci ntsa iab, kev cia siab zoo; tam sim no, txawm tias, koj tau txais ib-
JC: Kuv yog ib tug tham.
RS: Tsis yog, tab sis koj kuj muaj kev luag nyav zoo ntawm koj lub ntsej muag. Yog li ntawd, kuv yuav lees txim rau koj, ua kuv tus pov thawj. Kuv muaj qhov txawv txav heev tag kis no tom qab, koj paub, kev xaiv tsa nruab nrab. Vim kuv tau saib Donald Trump, thiab txhua yam koj hais txog Donald Trump, nws coj qee lub zog thiab kev xav rau qhov xwm txheej. Tam sim no, koj paub, nws tau txais xov xwm zoo, xov xwm tsis zoo - koj paub, qee qhov muaj, dua li koj hais, ib qho kev pab cuam. Nws yuav mus tom ntej. Thiab tam sim no kuv tsuas yog saib ntawm cov ntxaij vab tshaus, thiab nws tau raug rho tawm haujlwm [luag] tus kws lij choj, thiab nws yuav txav mus rau aggressively. Thiab tom qab ntawd lawv muaj Nancy Pelosi tuaj, thiab cov lus nug - koj paub, Trump tau pom zoo rau nws hauv nws cov lus. Thiab kuv xav tias Nancy Pelosi yuav lo rau tus txiv neej no tiag tiag, koj puas paub? Thiab โ tsis yog! Peb tau txhawb kom rov qab los ntawm no thiab ua ib yam dab tsi rau cov neeg zoo tib yam! Thiab nws yog tepid ntawm qhov zoo tshaj plaws, tepid. Thiab nws zoo li, huag, peb yuav khaws ib qho kev xav ntawm kev kho mob pheej yig. Thiab nws zoo li lub suab nrov nrov zoo li Hillary nyob hauv kev xaiv tsa. Kuv txoj kev xav yog, qhov uas Bernie Sanders coj yog tib yam ntawm lub zog - tsuas yog nws yog sab laug cov pej xeem - tib lub zog uas Donald Trump muaj. Kev loj hlob ntawm pej xeem, tsis zoo li kev tawm tsam, kev tawm tsam ntawm haiv neeg tsawg, cov neeg tsis muaj zog, thiab lwm yam. Thiab kuv xav paub, koj paub, koj tau siv lub hli dhau los hauv kev xaiv tsa nruab nrab thiab txhua yam; koj puas yog Democratic Party yeej muaj peev xwm hnov โโqhov mob ntawd?
JC: Tsis yog. Tsis nyob hauvโtsis yog kev coj noj coj ua tam sim no. Kuv txhais tau tias, koj hais yog lawm; qhov teeb meem yog Pelosi, qhov teeb meem yog Clinton, qhov teeb meem yog Schumer. Tom qab kev puas tsuaj ntawm 2016 - thiab koj hais yog lawm txog kuv keeb kwm, Kuv rov qab mus rau ntau xyoo hauv qhov no. Koj paub, peb teeb tsa FAIR vim tias cov ntsiab lus pom tau zoo tau raug cais tawm ntawm cov xov xwm tseem ceeb. Feem ntau hauv xov xwm tseem ceeb - nrog rau qee qhov kev zam; koj yog ib tug ntawm LA Times-feem ntau, lub spectrum tau mus ntawm qhov chaw mus rau sab xis. Yog li kuv tau siv ntau xyoo los sim kom tau txais qhov kev pom zoo nyob ntawd. Thiab kuv yuav qhia rau cov thawj coj, kuv yuav muaj rooj sib tham nrog cov thawj coj hauv xov xwm, thiab kuv xav hais tias: koj paub, yog tias koj muaj kev vam meej hauv qee qhov kev sib tham, tsis yog nws yuav zoo rau kev ywj pheej, tab sis koj qhov kev ntaus nqi yuav mus. nce. Thiab yog li dab tsi yog qhov txaus siab nrog Bernie kev sib tw - thiab kuv tau paub Bernie txij li nws thawj lub sijhawm hauv Congress - yog thawj zaug, cov xov xwm tseem ceeb raug yuam, vim nws muaj cov kev sib tw loj loj no, kom muaj cov txheej txheem nce qib ntawm cov xov xwm hmo ntuj. , txhua hmo, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog xov xwm kab. Thiab saib thiab saib seb, cov xov xwm loj hlob ntawd txuas nrog ntau tus neeg xaiv tsa, txawm lawv paub lub ntsiab lus progressive los tsis. Thiab dua, tham tom qab Trump cov neeg pov npav uas tau pov npav rau Bernie-Kuv tau ntsib cov neeg no. Yog li kuv lub neej tag nrho tau hais txog kev sim ua kom muaj kev vam meej, cov lus tshaj tawm tau hnov โโlos ntawm cov neeg coob coob. Thiab cov Democratic Party puas tuaj yeem, raws li nws tau coj tam sim no, yeej thiab swb Trump, thiab tom qab koj yeej kev xaiv tsa, tswj hwm txoj hauv kev uas koj tuaj yeem tswj hwm lub hwj chim? Tsis yog nrog kev coj noj coj ua tam sim no. Muaj ob qhov teeb meem ntsib peb lub tebchaws: ib qho, koj yuav hnov โโโโtxog ntawm MSNBC txhua hmo. Nws yog kev tawm tsam, kev ntxub ntxaug, kev tawm tsam kev tshawb fawb, kev tawm tsam ntawm Republicans. Muaj qhov sib npaug, qhov teeb meem thib ob, thiab qhov ntawd yog kev lag luam thiab kev vacillation thiab backpedaling ntawm Democratic Party. Thiab yog tias txhua yam koj tau ua yog tham txog qhov teeb meem thawj zaug, uas yog txhua yam lawv tham txog ib teev tom qab teev ntawm MSNBC, koj muab koj cov neeg saib ib nrab ntawm zaj dab neeg. Vim ob yam ntawd mus ua ke. Yog li tom qab muaj kev puas tsuaj ntawm 2016, thaum cov thawj coj ntawm pawg neeg - qhov no yog ib qho kev puas tsuaj loj hauv Asmeskas keeb kwm, thaum Trump yeej - lawv yuav tsis ua qhov kev txiav txim siab ntawm qhov lawv tau ua txhaum. Lawv tsis kam ua, peb ua li ntawd. Thiab peb tau muab tsab ntawv ceeb toom no hu ua DemocraticAutopsy.org. Qhov kev coj noj coj ua ywj pheej thiab MSNBC tau ua dab tsi, yog saib ntawm lwm yam. Yog li lawv sim liam nws rau Russia, yog vim li cas lawv poob rau lub Kaum Ib Hlis [2016]; los yog Comey kev cuam tshuam, 11 hnub ua ntej kev xaiv tsa. Cov no yog qhov me me. Tab sis qhov tseem ceeb yog nyob rau hauv kev tswj hwm ntawm Democratic Party kev coj noj coj ua, thiab yog tus uas lawv xaiv los ua lawv tus neeg sib tw; Yuav ua li cas lawv khiav qhov kev sib tw, lawv siv lawv cov nyiaj li cas - thiab nco ntsoov, Clintonites siv nyiaj ntau dua Trumpites thaum lub Kaum Ib Hlis, hauv kev xaiv tsa lub Kaum Ib Hlis 2016. Yog li dab tsi, peb qhov kev thuam ntawm Democratic Party kev coj noj coj ua, thiab yog vim li cas lawv thiaj li yuav tsum tau hloov - thiab tsis ntev yuav muaj kev sib tw los hloov Schumer thiab Pelosi thiab Tom Perez, tus thawj coj ntawm Pawg Neeg Saib Xyuas Kev ywj pheej - yog vim li cas lawv yuav tsum tau hloov pauv. lawv pheej ua ob yam yuam kev. Ib qho yog txheej txheem; lawv tsis muaj cov txheej txheem nce qib, nws yog mush, nws tepid, raws li koj hais. Thiab ob, lawv tsis siv lawv cov nyiaj kom raug. Qhov koj yuav tsum tau ua yog muaj cov txheej txheem nce qib uas ua rau muaj kev txaus siab ntawm cov tub ntxhais hluas, cov neeg xim, txawm tias cov neeg ua haujlwm dawb. Thiab tom qab ntawd koj yuav tsum siv koj cov nyiaj kom tau koj lub hauv paus tawm mus rau qhov kev xaiv tsa - uas yog cov neeg dub, Latinos, cov neeg pluag, cov hluas. Hloov chaw, lawv siv tag nrho cov nyiaj no rau kev tshaj tawm.
RS: Tab sis peb tab tom plam mus rau hauv ib hom lus ntawm no ntawm Democrats raws li qee qhov kev tsim txiaj, yog tias dawm. Thiab kuv tsuas yog xav tsa ib lo lus nug rau koj. Puas yog lawv tsis yog qhov zoo tshaj plaws, ntawm kev lag luam, tog ntawm Wall Street? Thiab qhov tshwm sim yog, txawm tias nyob rau hauv '16 kev xaiv tsa, lawv tau txais kev txhawb nqa ntau dua los ntawm Wall Street, thiab lawv tau txais nws nyob rau nruab nrab tam sim no; Kuv tsis tau ua qhov kev tshuaj ntsuam xyuas ntawm cov stats. Kuv xav nug koj txog qhov Democratic Party-tej zaum nws yog ib qho kev ua haujlwm, OK, qhov tseeb, koj tab tom dag tib neeg. Kuv cov phooj ywg, feem ntau ntawm cov neeg kuv paub, lawv yog ib feem ntawm lub xiav nthwv dej; Kuv txhais tau tias, hauv kuv tsev neeg txhua qhov chaw, kuv muajโKuv tau txais qhov no txhua lub sijhawm: peb yuav yeej, peb yuav tawm tsam. Thiab lo lus nug yog, tsis muaj lus ntawm kev nco qab cuav ntawm no? Yog tias peb tab tom tham txog lub hauv paus uas muaj cov neeg ua haujlwm, cov neeg dub, cov neeg xim av-cov, uas yog pab pawg. Cov neeg kawm ntawv qib siab dub thiab xim av yog cov neeg mob hnyav tshaj plaws hauv Kev Txom Nyem Loj, tsim los ntawm Robert Rubin, Lawrence Summers, Bill Clinton. Koj paub, lawv poob 60, 70 feem pua โโโโntawm lawv cov nyiaj txiag vim yog cov nyiaj qiv nyiaj dag, swindles thiab txhua yam. Qhov ntawd yog lub hauv paus uas koj tam sim no yuav qhia lawv yuav tsum muab sijhawm rau Democrats dua?
JC: Zoo, koj nyob nraum - koj thiab kuv txheeb xyuas lub hauv paus, tab sis kev coj noj coj ua ntawm tog yog, raws li koj hais, koom nrog Wall Street. Cov Clintonites, Obama-Obama tau nyiaj ntau dua los ntawm Wall Street thaum nws khiav los ua tus thawj tswj hwm hauv 2008 ua ntej, hauv kev sib tw, ua ntej nws yog tus thawj coj. Thiab muaj ob tus neeg New York cov neeg sib tw ua tus thawj tswj hwm, Giuliani thiab Hillary Clinton, thiab Obama tau tawm-nyiaj pab rau lawv ua ntej nws yog tus thawj coj. Yog li ntawd, nws tau txuas nrog zoo, thiab. Yog li lub hauv paus ntawm tog-peb tsis muaj lub rooj sib tham, peb tsis muaj kev sawv cev. Peb, nyob rau hauv lub teb chaws thiab lub xeev, peb raug txo mus rau ob tog. Thiab cov kev vam meej yuav tsum tau ua tus thawj coj ntawm Democratic Party. Yog tias nws nyob hauv tes ntawm Pelosis thiab Schumers thiab Tom Perezes, nws tsis muaj kev cia siab.
RS: OK, tab sis koj paub, Kuv nyiam khawb me ntsis hauv cov kev xam phaj no. Thiab koj paub, nag hmoโhuag, kuv tau ntsib teeb meem, tsis yog nag hmo, qhia ob peb zaug. Thiab txhua tus ntawm kuv tus poj niam mus rau kuv tus thawj saib xyuas qub ntawm no, thiab lwm tus neegโKuv hais tias, saib, yog tias muaj cov menyuam yaus hauv chav, cov tub ntxhais kawm uas tsis xav tias lawv xav pov npav, koj tsis tas yuav. Tam sim no - debatable proposition.
JC: Debatable heev.
RS: Kev debatable heev, tab sis tom qab tag nrho, peb nyob hauv ib lub tsev kawm ntawv, peb yuav tsum ua qhov kev xav, peb yuav tsum sib tw. Thiab kuv tau hais lus los tsim kev sib tham thiab sib cav, koj paub. Thiab kuv tus kheej nag hmo tau muaj kuv daim ntawv "Kuv Voted" rau; koj paub, kuv dutifully mus rau kuv qhov kev xaiv tsa. Tab sis kuv xav tias, koj paub, tos ib pliag; tos ib pliag. Qhov no puas yog qhov kev ua si uas yuav tsum tau nqus ntau ntawm peb txoj kev mloog? Tam sim no, kuv muab cov lus nug rau koj vim tias thaum kuv nyob ntawm Democratic Convention, koj yog ib tug tseem ceeb rau kuv ua ib tug neeg sau xov xwm. Kuv xav nyob qhov twg koj nyob, cov rooj sib tham thiab lwm yam, vim hais tias lawv yog cov delegates txaus nyiam tshaj plaws, Bernie delegates. Lawv tuaj ntawm thoob plaws lub tebchaws, lawv muaj lub tswv yim zoo, lawv tau ntsib nrog lawv cov zej zog. Thiab, saib seb, lawv tau raug ntxeev siab.
JC: Yog lawm, tab sis yog tias-koj, kuv zoo siab heev uas koj coj lawv. Yog tias txhua yam lawv tau ua yog Bernie delegates thiab ua haujlwm hauv Bernie kev sib tw, ces yog, kuv yuav poob siab. Tab sis cov neeg uas koj tab tom hais txog qhov kuv tau paub zoo hauv Philadelphia, los ntawm txhua haiv neeg, txhua pab pawg hnub nyoog, txhua tus poj niam txiv neej - lawv yog cov tsim kev txav. Cov no yog cov neeg ua haujlwm hauv cov koom haum. Lawv yog union-organizers, lawv yog tenant-organizers. Yog li kuv tsis ntseeg tias koj sau npe dab tsi los ntawm kev tsis pov npav. Tab sis yog tias txhua yam koj ua yog ua haujlwm hauv kev xaiv tsa, lossis koj tsuas yog ua haujlwm tau ob lub hlis ua ntej kev xaiv tsa, koj yeej tsis yog tus neeg tawm tsam. Qhov koj yuav tsum tau ua yog tsim cov koom haum ywj pheej, thiab tom qab ntawd kuj coj cov koom haum thiab ua haujlwm xaiv tsa. Tab sis yog tias txhua yam koj ua yog txoj haujlwm xaiv tsa, nws yog kev sib tw; tsis yog li koj yuav tsim kom muaj lub zog uas tuaj yeem tuav lub Democratic Party thiab tuav lub tebchaws. Qhov tseem ceeb yog, peb mus qhov twg? Puas muaj ib txoj hauv kev los tso cov txheej txheem ua ntu zus thiab nce nyiaj rau kev sib tw thawj tswj hwm lossis kev sib tw loj? Thiab kuv xav tias Bernie Sanders tau ua pov thawj, koj tsis xav tau nyiaj Wall Street. Koj tsis xav tau nyiaj txiag. Koj tuaj yeem tau txais $ 27 pub dawb. Beto O'Rourke ua pov thawj nws.
RS: Thaum koj hais tias nws ua pov thawj nws-
JC: Nws tsa tau nyiaj ntau tshaj qhov nws xav tau. Qhov teeb meem nrog Bernie, ntawm Bernie thiab Hillary tsis muaj dab tsi ua rau nyiaj. Ib yam hauv Texas; Beto O'Rourke yuav tsis siv nyiaj PAC, yuav tsis siv nyiaj lag luam. Muaj nthwv dej tshiab nyob rau hauv Democratic Party, thiab qhov ntawd yog ib-nthwv dej loj hauv pawg neeg hais tias, yog tias peb muaj cov txheej txheem ua tiav, peb tuaj yeem tsim kho ntau haiv neeg sib koom ua ke uas yuav pov npav rau peb. Thiab-ua tsaug rau internet-peb tuaj yeem nce nyiaj hauv cov nyiaj pub dawb me me uas peb tsis xav tau Wall Street nyiaj ntxiv lawm. Thiab kuv xav tias yog txoj hauv kev rau yav tom ntej; yog tias tib neeg mus rau DemocraticAutopsy.org, koj tuaj yeem pom qhov kev thuam peb tau ua los ntawm kev coj noj coj ua ntawm tog. Thiab nws tau tsim los ntawm tib neeg - suav nrog hauv peb pab neeg sau ntawv yog tus tswj hwm ntawm Bernie Delegates Network, Norman Solomon. Nws yog Karen Bernal, uas koj tau ntsib hauv Philadelphia; nws yog lub taub hau ntawm Progressive Caucus ntawm California Democratic Party, qhov loj tshaj caucus. Peb muaj lub rooj zaum ntawm New Mexico Progressive Caucus ntawm Democratic Party. Yog li ntawd muaj nthwv dej nyob rau hauv lub Democratic Party uas sim coj cov thawj coj kom deb ntawm Clintonites.
RS: Qhov tseeb tiag, thaum kuv xav txog Asmeskas kev nom kev tswv feem ntau, muaj ob lub zog ua haujlwm tawm tsam dab tsi, hais, Tom Paine-Kuv yuav tsis hu rau Founders. Koj muaj counterpower los ntawm pej xeem, counterpower, thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov Bill of Rights thiab txhua yam yuav muab lub suab rau. Tam sim no, koj muaj qhov xwm txheej sib txawv heev; koj muaj MSNBC, uas yuav tsum yog qhov chaw tshaj tawm kev tshaj tawm, tab sis nws yog ib qho ntawm cov tuam txhab tshaj tawm xov xwm loj tshaj plaws, txoj cai, Comcast. Ua ntej ntawd nws yog tus tswv los ntawm tus kws lij choj tiv thaiv thiab tus neeg ua lag luam uas yog qhov tseem ceeb heev kom tau txais tag nrho cov tuam txhab lag luam, GE Capital. Yog li lawv ua yeeb yam ntawm kev ywj pheej, tab sis peb txhua tus paub tias muaj kev txwv, thiab thaum koj ua haujlwm rau cov haujlwm ntawd, dab tsi sab laug ntawm koj cov ntawv xov xwm tau nce rau ntawm billionaires. Yog li thaum peb xav txog qhov zoo ntawm peb lub neej, kev sib cav nws muaj peev xwm txhawb nqa, nws yog txhua yam zoo thiab hais tau zoo, tib neeg tawm ntawm qhov kev sib tw thiab lwm yam. Thiab kuv tsis xav ua qhov tsis zoo ntawm no; Kuv xav txhawb kom tib neeg ua li ntawd. Tab sis qhov tseeb yog, peb tab tom ua neej nyob hauv lub ntiaj teb xyoo 1984. Peb muaj lub xeev soj ntsuam; peb muaj ib tug heev refined degree ntawm kev sib raug zoo kev tswj, manipulation, spying thiab muaj peev xwm mus coop tib neeg. Thiab tom qab ntawd koj tau txais ob tug txiv neej zoo li peb zaum ntawm no, ruminating txog qhov kev xaiv tsa no, thiab kuv xav tias peb tsis faus tus coj. Tus coj yog, Donald Trump tsis yog kev huam yuaj; nws yog tus qauv nyob rau hauv no manipulative haiv neeg. Nws paub yuav ua li cas ua si lub kaw lus, thiab, raws li Wall Street tau qhia nrog cov nqi Tshuag thiab lwm yam, lawv nyiam nws.
JC: Oh, muaj tseeb.
RS: Lawv nyiam nws.
JC: Yog lawm. Zoo, kuv-saib, Kuv tsis tuaj yeem pom zoo nrog qhov koj tau hais. Kuv twb yog ib tug thawj coj ntawm MSNBC; tag nrho lawv tham txog yog Russia, Russia, Mueller, Mueller, Mueller. Xav txog yog tias lawv tham txog tej yam tseem ceeb, xws li tag nrho cov tuam txhab kev noj nyiaj txiag ntawm Donald Trump. Yuav ua li cas nws yuav resonated nrog cov neeg xaiv tsa. Nws ua txhaum txoj cai lij choj. Yog li MSNBC yog kev puas tsuaj rau kuv. Qhov teeb meem loj tshaj plaws ntawm kev ywj pheej ntawm xov xwm tsis yog Trump txhais tau tias rau cov neeg sau xov xwm, zoo li nws niaj hnub no nrog CNN tus neeg sau xov xwm thiab NBC tus neeg sau xov xwm. Qhov kev ywj pheej loj tshaj plaws ntawm qhov teeb meem xov xwm yog tias Trump tab tom ua haujlwm nrog Comcast thiab AT&T thiab Verizon kom xaus qhov nruab nrab tsis sib xws, uas yuav thawb Truthdig thiab qhov tseeb thiab Kev Npau Suav thiab Kev ywj pheej tam sim no! thiab Cov Hluas Turks rau hauv txoj kab qeeb. Nws ua hauj lwm hauv hnab looj tes nrog lawv. Qhov teeb meem dab tsi koj tsis tau hnov โโโโntawm Comcast-muaj MSNBC txog kev ywj pheej ntawm kev tshaj xov xwm yog qhov kev ywj pheej loj tshaj plaws ntawm kev sib cav xov xwm tam sim no, uas yog txuag kev tsis sib haum xeeb. Lawv yuav tsis tham txog nws. Yog li koj hais yog lawm tias cov tswv cuab ntawm cov xov xwm thiab cov tswv cuab hauv internet, thiab qhov tseeb tias cov chaw muab kev pabcuam hauv internet loj no yog ob peb lub tuam txhab loj uas tseem tsim cov ntsiab lus - nws yog qhov txaus ntshai heev. Tab sis kuv yuav tsum nyob optimistic. Qhov kuv zoo siab txog yog, kuv kawm qhov kev xaiv tsa. Thiab cov kev xaiv tsa qhia tau hais tias cov neeg muaj kev vam meej tshaj plaws, raws li hnub nyoog, txog tam sim no, yog cov neeg hnub nyoog qis dua 30, qis dua 35. Lawv yog cov neeg tawm tsam kev ntxub ntxaug tshaj plaws, lawv yog cov neeg ua se ntau tshaj plaws, lawv yog cov feem ntau peb-zoo-ua-ib yam dab tsi-txog-kev nyab xeeb-hloov cov pej xeem. Thiab yog li cov tub ntxhais hluas, txawm lawv kawm ntawv qib siab lossis tsis kawm, qhov kev xaiv tsa kuv saib yog txhua tus neeg muaj hnub nyoog qis dua 30, txhua tus neeg muaj hnub nyoog qis dua 35. Qhov teeb meem yog, peb puas muaj sijhawm txaus, muab kev hloov pauv huab cua thiab muab Trump tus instability nrog nws tus ntiv tes nyob ze ntawm lub pob-peb puas muaj sijhawm rau cov neeg tiam tshiab? Koj thiab kuv tau pom tiam ntawd nyob rau hauv Philadelphia; cov no yog Bernie delegates. Yog li ntawd muaj coob leej muaj hnub nyoog qis dua 30. Saib tag nrho cov neeg uas raug xaiv tsa nag hmo, uas muaj hnub nyoog qis dua 35. Kuv txhais tau tias, Kuv tuaj ntawm New York; Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez yog hluav taws xob, thiab nws yeej tus thib plaub uas muaj zog tshaj plaws Democrat hauv thawj. Muaj tej yam zoo siab tshwm sim txawm hais tias Wall Street muaj kev cuam tshuam los ntawm Democratic Party. Thiab, raws li koj tau hais, txawm tias cov billionaires tau tswj hwm kev lag luam xov xwm. Yog tias peb tuaj yeem txuag qhov nruab nrab ntawm qhov nruab nrab, peb tseem muaj lwm txoj hauv kev uas cov tub ntxhais hluas, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog, tau txais xov xwm ywj pheej. Qhov kev poob qis hauv is taws nem yog Trump xa nws cov tweets vwm, thiab Breitbart xa nws cov lus sib cais uas tsis yog qhov tseeb lossis qhov tseeb. Koj paub, muaj qhov nce thiab nqis. Tab sis kuv tau kawm cov xov xwm ywj pheej, thiab koj tau ua ib feem loj ntawm nws rau ib nrab xyoo pua. Thiab cov xov xwm ywj pheej muaj zog dua niaj hnub no ntau dua li txhua lub sijhawm hauv xyoo pua dhau los. Thiab nws yuav tsis yog Trump thiab Comcast, yog tias lawv ua tiav hauv kev tshem tawm hauv internet. Koj paub, internet dawb, qhib internet.
RS: Kuv yeej pom zoo tias nws tseem ceeb heev rau kev sib ntaus sib tua zoo. Tab sis peb tab tom ua qhov no, zoo, tau ua los ntawm xov tooj cua pej xeem. Thiab nws tau ua tiav, peb tab tom kaw hauv tsev kawm qib siab. Peb txoj haujlwm ntawm no yog xav kom nrov nrov. Vim kuv xav tias qhov kev ua si yog rigged tam sim no mus rau xws li ib tug degree tias yam peb xav tau yog ib co naysayers tawm muaj. Thiab kuv xav txog Martin Luther King, thiab thaum kuv yog tus editor ntawm Ramparts peb tau luam tawm nws thaum The New York Times denounced nws nyob rau hauv ib tug editorial, thaum nws nyob rau hauv lub tsev teev ntuj Riverside, ib xyoos ua ntej nws raug tua, hais tias lub tebchaws United States, kuv tsoom fwv. , yog tus loj purveyor ntawm kev nruj kev tsiv nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj teb no niaj hnub no. Qhov ntawd tsis yog ib nqe lus uas tus neeg ua haujlwm ceev faj yuav tau xav txog; koj yuav raug denounced. Txawm li cas los xij, Tebchaws Meskas, niaj hnub no, yog tus saib xyuas kev nruj kev tsiv hauv ntiaj teb niaj hnub no. Nws muaj peev nyiaj tub rog uas loj hlob txhua lub sijhawm, txhawb nqa los ntawm Democrats thiab Republicans; nws cuam tshuam txhua qhov chaw hauv ntiaj teb. Txawm li cas los xij, yog tias cov neeg sib tw zoo uas koj tab tom tham txog tsis kam hais, kuv tsoomfwv yog tus saib xyuas loj hauv kev ua phem hauv ntiaj teb niaj hnub no, lawv yuav tsis raug kho - koj paub, cia peb txiav rau qhov kev sib tw ntawm no.
JC: Yog, kuv pom zoo. Tab sis cia kuv teb. Koj tau tsa qhov teeb meem tseem ceeb tshaj plaws uas cov neeg ywj pheej yuav tsis tham txog, uas yog US militarism. Thaum Martin Luther King hais tias Teb Chaws Asmeskas yog tus loj tshaj plaws purveyor ntawm kev ua phem nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj teb no niaj hnub no, yog hais tias nws tseem ciaj sia, nws yuav hais nws, raws li koj hais, niaj hnub no. Peb muaj 800 lub hauv paus tub rog, $ 717 billion National Defense Authorization Act rau 2019. Thiab Schumer lub chaw ua haujlwm, thiab Pelosi, tau xa tawm cov lus hais txog yuav ua li cas lawv tau ua haujlwm nrog Trump kom tau nws cov nyiaj rau peb cov lus tiv thaiv, unquote. Feem ntau cov Democrats, txawm tias muaj kev vam meej, ntawm lawv lub vev xaib - tshawb xyuas cov teeb meem uas kuv tab tom khiav - lawv yuav hais txog txoj cai gay, lawv yuav hais txog kev saib xyuas kev noj qab haus huv, lawv yuav hais txog ib puag ncig. Lawv tsis hais cov tub rog. Lawv tsis hais txog kev tsov rog tsis kawg. Peb tau koom ua tsov rog txij li xyoo 2001. Nws yog tsov rog ntev tshaj plaws hauv Asmeskas keeb kwm, thiab lawv yuav tsis tham txog nws. Tab sis ntawm no yog txoj xov zoo. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; Rashida Tlaib, uas yog tus thawj tswj hwm tshiab, yog Palestinian-Asmeskas los ntawm Detroit; Ilhan Omar, tus neeg tawg rog Somali, yog tus thawj tswj hwm tshiab los ntawm Minnesota; Ayanna Pressley, nws yeej 10 lub sijhawm Democrat hauv thawj, nws yog los ntawm Boston. Hauv lawv lub vev xaib, lawv tham txog kev txiav nyiaj tub rog thiab siv cov nyiaj ntawd rau kev sib raug zoo. Yog tias koj tsis txiav nyiaj tub rog, peb tuaj yeem muab kev kawm pub dawb rau pej xeem hauv tsev kawm qib siab li cas? Peb tuaj yeem muab hom kev kho mob uas lub teb chaws xav tau li cas? Yog li koj hais yog lawm, koj hais yog lawm-nws yog qhov teeb meem loj tshaj plaws uas cov xov xwm tseem ceeb yuav tsis tham txog, MSNBC tsis tham txog nws. Tab sis qee qhov ntawm no - pom tseeb, Truthdig tham txog nws, Truthout tham txog nws, Kev ywj pheej tam sim no! tham txog nws. MSNBC-lawv tsis tham txog, tsis muaj ib yam li US militarism lossis US imperialism ntawm cov chaw nres tsheb.
RS: Yog li kuv yuav sau qhov no los ntawm kev hais tias kuv npuaj teg - thiab kuv tsis tau txiav txim siab ntawm no - koj txoj kev siv zog, thiab cov neeg nyiam Norman Solomon, thiab cov neeg sib tw uas koj tau hais. Thiab raws li kuv tau hais, kuv tau khiav los ua Democrat rau Congress, thiab kuv tau ua haujlwm hauv-Kuv tau ua haujlwm ntawm LA Times tau 29 xyoo, kuv ntseeg tias siv txhua yam koj tau txais los xav txog qee yam, qee lo lus, qee qhov kev thuam. . Kuv xav tias peb txhua tus yuav tsum sib ntaus sib tua zoo. Tab sis-tab sis-peb kuj muaj lub luag haujlwm los hais qhov tseeb rau lub hwj chim hauv txoj kev pom tseeb. Thiab qhov khib yog qhov sab xis-Kuv xav hu nws neofascist populist. Kuv yeej tsis txo qhov txaus ntshai ntawm Trump, tab sis qhov tseeb ntawm qhov teeb meem yog, muaj ib yam dab tsi tiag tiag -
JC: Yog.
RS: Hais txog nws txoj kev sib tw. Tias nws kov qhov mob tawm ntawd. Tam sim no, nws ua nws hauv txoj kev tsis lees paub. Tab sis qhov tseeb ntawm qhov teeb meem yog, nws tsis yog tias kev lag luam ua tau zoo; nws tau ua qee qhov kev sib tham zoo heev ntawm kev lag luam; NAFTA 2.0, uas nws tau sib tham, yog lub ntuj raug txim ntau zoo dua li cov uas tau sib tham hauv Democrats -
JC: Thiab Obama muaj yim xyoo los kho nws tus kheej thiab tsis ua.
RS: Yog lawm. Thiab thawj zaug, muaj qee qhov kev txiav txim siab ntawm qhov nyiaj hli ncaj ncees, thiab qhov tseeb cia lub tsev hais plaub ntawm Mexico thiab Canada muaj qee qhov, thiab Asmeskas, muaj qee tus hais tias qhov kev cog lus pom zoo. Kuv xav tias-North Kauslim, thiab lwm yam. Qhov twg nws yog heev txaus ntshai, ironically, yog cov khoom Russia; nws tseem muab kev rau txim rau Russia, nws tsis coj kom zoo dua ntawm nws kev sib tham nrog Putin kom muaj peev xwm tswj tau; nws nyuam qhuav ripped - tsis yog ib lo lus nug hnub no txog, ntawm lub rooj sib tham xov xwm, hais txog nws ripping up arms tswj ntawm nruab nrab nuclear riam phom. Heev, hnyav heev. Tab sis kuv xav kom xaus qhov no los ntawm kev hais tias, tsis muaj ib tug ntawm cov neeg uas koj tham txog yuav tham txog lub ntsiab txawv teb chaws cuam tshuam nyob rau hauv qhov kev xaiv tsa no, thiab nws yog cov neeg Ixayees. Thiab qhov pivot, qhov txaus ntshai tshaj plaws uas Trump tau ua nyob rau hauv txoj cai txawv teb chaws, qhov txaus ntshai tshaj plaws uas nws tau ua ntawm txoj cai hauv tebchaws yog kev tawm tsam ntawm cov neeg tsis muaj zog, tshwj xeeb yog cov neeg tsiv teb tsaws chaw. Nws yog txaus ntshai, thiab nws muaj echoes, muaj zog echoes ntawm fascism, tawm tsam cov neeg tsis muaj zog tshaj plaws. Tab sis ntawm txoj cai txawv teb chaws, thiab lawv muaj feem cuam tshuam, qhov txaus ntshai tiag tiag yog lees txais qhov kev sib koom ua ke ntawm Saudi Arabia thiab Israel, thiab lub tswv yim hais tias Iran, uas tsis tawm tsam World Trade Center, uas qee qhov Iran yog qhov teeb meem loj, thiab peb zoo li. mus rau qee yam kev tawm tsam nrog Iran, txawm tias Fabkis, Germans, Russians, Suav txhua tus hais tias qhov no yog neeg rau, lawv tau hwm qhov kev pom zoo. Thiab koj tsis hnov โโleej twg tham txog nws. Tam sim no, tus thawj tswj hwm tau coj nws los ntawm nws lub rooj sib tham xov xwm. Nws hais tias, tsis txhob tua kuv; nws tau hais tias, Netanyahu tau hais tias kuv yog qhov zoo tshaj plaws rau kev thaj yeeb hauv ntiaj teb. Qhov ntawd yog qhov tseem ceeb uas nws tau hais hauv nws lub rooj sib tham tseem ceeb tshaj plaws. Tsis muaj leej twg hauv xov xwm tawm tsam nws txog qhov ntawd.
JC: Cia kuv teb. Yog lawm. Cov neeg Ixayees yog lub ntsiab lus uas tsis muaj kev cuam tshuam hauv cov xov xwm tseem ceeb. Peb paub. Tib neeg tau poob haujlwm ntau dhau los ntawm kev thuam cov neeg Ixayees. Thiab nws yog ib qho tseem ceeb thaum kuv ua hauj lwm nrog Phil Donahue ntawm MSNBC, vim li cas peb thiaj li muaj teeb meem nrog kev tswj hwm. Vim peb nug cov Yixayee tej kev ua. Qhov ntawd yog muab. Tab sis hais txog Trump, kuv xav tias koj tau nailed nws. Kuv txhais tau tias, nws muaj peev xwm ua tau zoo nrog nws cov neeg tuaj saib. Nws yog cov neeg tuaj saib dawb; nws qhia nws tias nws hlub lawv; nws ua lus tso dag; nws yuav hais lus tsis yog nom tswv zoo li. Tsis muaj qhov tsis ntseeg, nws tau txais kev paub ntawm cov xov xwm tseem ceeb. Nws tau txais kev paub txog TV. Kuv txhais tau tias, thaum kuv saib, leej twg yuav liam rau kev nce siab ntawm Trump, koj tau txais Jeff Zucker, yog tus thawj tswj hwm ntawm NBC kev lom zem, uas tsim "Tus Neeg Ua Haujlwm" rau lub ego hu ua Donald Trump. Thiab tom qab ntawd nws tsiv mus rau CNN, thiab koj nco qab xyoo 2015 thiab thawj lub hlis ntawm 2016, ntawm CNN lawv tau pib txoj cai txhua-Trump-txhua lub sijhawm. Yog li Trump yog tus tswv ntawm TV, thiab kuv xav tias nws muaj qhov kev sib txuas rau cov neeg tuaj saib uas feem ntau cov nom tswv ywj pheej, nrog lawv txoj kev vacillation thiab lawv hais lus nrog cov hmoov nplej hauv lawv lub qhov ncauj, tsis muaj. Tab sis koj paub, muaj ntau yam teeb meem uas koj tau hais tias yuav tsum muaj nyob rau hauv lub teb chaws xov xwm, thiab ntawm MSNBC thiab CNN nws yog Russia, Russia, Mueller, Mueller, Mueller. Koj paub, FAIR tau tshawb fawb thiab lawv pom - qhov no yog thaum Lub Xya Hli xyoo no - tsis yog ib ntu ntawm MSNBC ntawm Asmeskas lub luag haujlwm hauv kev tua neeg hauv Yemen, kev kub ntxhov ntawm tib neeg, Asmeskas thiab Saudi Arabia tua neeg coob coob. Tab sis thaum xoom ntu ntawm Yemen, 465 ntu hais txog Stormy Daniels. Yog li kuv txhais tau tias, peb muaj qhov tsis ua tiav tiag tiag hauv kev hu ua liberal media thiab lawv npog dab tsi. Thiab Iran thiab Ixayees - Kuv txhais tau tias, nws yog hmoov keg. Koj hais yog lawm, nws yog ib qho tseem ceeb, txawm nyob rau ntawm New York Times, uas yog, koj paub, tuaj yeem yog cov ntawv xov xwm muaj zog. Tab sis lawv muaj qhov clichรฉ no hais txog Iran ua lub xeev tseem ceeb txhawb nqa kev ua phem hauv ntiaj teb. Peb paub tias tsis muaj tseeb, txhua tus kws tshaj lij paub tias nws tsis muaj tseeb. Saudi Arabia yog tus txhawb nqa loj. Thiab raws li koj hais, peb tsis tau tawm tsam rau lub Cuaj Hlis 11th los ntawm Iran; heev qhov tsis sib xws. Yog li kuv sim ua kom tib neeg ua - thiab 10 xyoo ntawm Ithaca College, kuv txoj kev kawm yog kev tshaj tawm ywj pheej - sib nrauj koj tus kheej los ntawm cov tuam txhab, cov xov xwm tseem ceeb thiab pib tiag tiag khawb rau hauv qhov zoo tshaj plaws kev ywj pheej. Peb twb yeej muaj ib tug boom nyob rau hauv ywj siab media. Tab sis tag nrho cov kev thuam no koj tab tom ua ntawm kev nom kev tswv, thiab kev tshaj tawm xov xwm, kuv pom zoo nrog. Tab sis kuv twv kuv muaj kev cia siab rau ib tiam tshiab, thiab ib tiam tshiab nrog rau cov xov xwm tshiab, ywj siab uas tau nthuav dav.
RS: Zoo, ntawm daim ntawv ntawd, kuv xav [luag] ua tsaug, kuv twv, Jeff Cohen, uas pib FAIR, thiab tam sim no, tsis ntev los no, tau nrog RootsAction. Thiab kuv pom koj ua haujlwm ntawm Democratic Convention, kuv paub tias koj muaj kev cia siab thiab kev pom. Thiab koj paub, yog tias nws yog koj pawg Democratic, kuv yuav muaj ntau ntxiv-
JC: Muaj ib hnub nws yuav yog ib tug neeg - yog, muaj ib hnub nws yuav yog.
RS: Zoo, qhov ntawd yog nws rau qhov no tsab ntawm Scheer Intelligence. Peb cov neeg tsim khoom yog Josh Scheer thiab Isabel Carreon. Peb cov engineers ntawm KCRW yog Kat Yore thiab Mario Diaz. Thiab ntawm no ntawm Annenberg Tsev Kawm Ntawv rau Kev Sib Txuas Lus thiab Kev Sau Xov Xwm ntawm University of Southern California, Sebastian Grubaugh tau ua tus txiv neej ntawm pawg thawj coj. Yog lawm, ntsib koj lub lim tiam tom ntej.
ZNetwork tau txais nyiaj tsuas yog los ntawm kev ua siab zoo ntawm nws cov neeg nyeem.
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