AMY GOODMAN: ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei!, democracynow.org, ʻO ke kaua a me ka'ōlelo hoʻomalu. ʻO wau ʻo Amy Goodman, me Nermeen Shaikh.
Ua hoʻokumu ʻo Rūsia i kahi pūʻulu hoʻouka kaua ma waena o Ukraine i kēia lā, me nā hōʻike o ka pahū a me ka pau ʻana o ka mana hou ma nā kūlanakauhale me Lviv, Kyiv a me Odessa. Hele mai nā hoʻouka kaua ma hope o ke kāhea ʻana o nā luna o Ukrainian i nā kamaʻāina e haʻalele i ke kūlanakauhale ʻo Kherson ma waena o nā hoʻouka kaua nui o Rūsia. Ma ka Pōʻakolu, ua hoʻopiʻi ʻelua mau pahū i kahi haukapila maternity ma Kherson, kahi ma kahi o ʻelima mau kānaka e ola hou ana mai ka hānau ʻana.
OLHA PRYSIDKO: [Unuhi] He mea weliweli, ʻaʻole i manaʻo ʻia. Ua hoʻomaka koke nā pahū. Ua hoʻomaka nā lima o ka puka makani e haehae. aniani. ʻŌ, haʻalulu koʻu mau lima, ʻōlelo pololei.
AMY GOODMAN: Ma ka Pōʻakolu, ua hāʻawi ka Pelekikena Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky i kāna ʻōlelo makahiki i ka hale pāremata Ukrainian, kahi i koi hou ai ʻo ia iā Ukraine e hui pū me ka European Union. Ke hoʻoikaika nei ʻo Zelensky i kahi hoʻolālā maluhia 10-point, ʻoiai ʻo Pelekikena Lūkini Vladimir Putin i ʻōlelo ua mākaukau ʻo ia e hoʻopau i ke kaua ma Ukraine, me ka ʻōlelo ʻana e kūkākūkā ʻo ia me nā mea a pau e pili ana i kēia kaʻina hana e pili ana i nā hopena ʻae. He mau kūkākūkā paha?
No ka mea hou aku, ua hui pū ʻia mākou e ka mea hana antiwar lōʻihi a me ke kaukaʻi ʻo Gilbert Achcar, ka mea kākau o nā puke he nui, me Mana Pilikino: ʻO ka Middle East a me US Foreign Policy, i kākau pū me Noam Chomsky, a Makemake ka poʻe: He ʻimi hoʻokalakupua o ke kipi ʻana o Arab. ʻO kāna puke hou aʻe, e paʻi ʻia ma ʻApelila, ke poʻo inoa Ke Kaua Anu Hou: ʻO ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, Rusia, a me Kina mai Kosovo a i Ukraine.
aloha i ʻO ka Democracy Nei! He mea maikaʻi ke noho pū me mākou, e Professor Achcar. No laila, loaʻa iā ʻoe kēia pahu o nā missiles, nā missiles Lūkini, ma waena o Ukraine i kēia lā, a i ka manawa like, ua ʻōlelo ʻo Pelekikena Putin ua mākaukau ʻo ia e kūkākūkā me kekahi. Hiki iā ʻoe ke pane i kēia kūlana? A ke manaʻo nei ʻoe he hiki ke kūkākūkā, a he aha ka hoʻolālā maluhia o Pelekikena Zelensky?
GILBERT ACHCAR: ʻAe. Aloha kakahiaka e Amy lāua ʻo Nermeen. Mahalo iā ʻoe. Mahalo iā ʻolua no ka hoʻokipa ʻana iaʻu.
ʻO ka mea e hana nei ma Ukraine, ʻo kēia luku ʻōnaehana o nā ʻoihana kīwila e ka ʻaoʻao Lūkini, he hewa kaua. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ua ʻōlelo maopopo nā hui pono kanaka mai kinohi mai. Ua hoʻomaka ʻia ʻelua mahina. Ua hala ʻelua mahina o ka luku ʻana i ka ʻōnaehana, ka hoʻomake ʻana o ka ʻōnaehana kīwila. No laila, he mea weliweli kēia, ʻoiaʻiʻo, a pono e hoʻohewa nui ʻia - ʻaʻole i emi iho ma mua o ka hoʻohewa ʻana i ka luku ʻana o ka US i nā ʻōnaehana o Iraq, kāna ʻoihana kīwila, ma 1991. ʻO kaʻu ʻōlelo, pono mākou e kūlike. Inā mākou i hōʻino a hoʻohewa i ka mea i hana ʻia ma Iraq, pono mākou e hoʻohewa a hoʻohewa i nā mea e hana nei i kēia lā ma Ukraine.
I kēia manawa, e pili ana - ʻo nā ʻōlelo e pili ana i nā kūkākūkā, ke manaʻo nei au, i kēia lā, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā mea hoʻolaha ma mua o ka - ma mua o ka maoli, ʻo wau. ʻO ia no ka mea inā ʻike ʻoe i ke ʻano o nā kūlana e pili ana iā lākou, ʻo wau hoʻi, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā ultimatums ma mua o ka makemake maoli e kūkākūkā.
Ma ka ʻaoʻao Lūkini, ʻo wau ke ʻōlelo nei, ua hala kēia manawa, mai Kepakemapa, e hana ana ʻo Vladimir Putin i nā ʻōlelo e kāhea ana i ka pau ʻana o ke ahi a kāhea aku i nā Ukrainians e hoʻi i ka papa kūkā. ʻO ia kāna mau ʻōlelo ponoʻī. Akā inā ʻoe e heluhelu pono i kāna mea e ʻōlelo nei, ʻōlelo ʻo ia i ka manawa like ʻaʻohe ala e hiki ai ke kūkākūkā e pili ana i nā panalāʻau ʻehā, nā panalāʻau ʻehā ʻo Ukrainian, āna i hoʻohui ai iā Rūsia. No laila, inā hoʻokaʻawale ʻia kēia mai kekahi kūkākūkā ʻana, pehea ʻoe - ʻo kaʻu ʻōlelo, pehea e hiki ai i kēlā kūkākūkā, a i ʻole ka pau ʻana o ke ahi e alakaʻi ana iā ia?
Ma ka ʻaoʻao Ukrainian, ʻoi aku ka maʻalahi o lākou, akā i kekahi manawa he mau ʻōlelo kāu e like me ka mea hou a ke Kuhina o ko nā ʻāina ʻē o Ukraine e ʻōlelo ana ʻo ke kūlana no ke kūkākūkā ʻana ʻo ia ʻo Vladimir Putin a me nā alakaʻi Lūkini e hoʻopanee ʻia i mua o kahi ʻaha hoʻokolokolo honua. . ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻo ia hoʻi, ke kau ʻana i ka pā kiʻekiʻe loa no nā kūkākūkā hiki.
No laila, ke manaʻo nei au, i kēia manawa, pili wale nā ʻaoʻao ʻelua i ka hiki ke hoʻokō i nā mea hou aʻe ma ka ʻāina a ʻaʻole koʻikoʻi koʻikoʻi e pili ana i kahi hoʻomaha a me nā kūkākūkā ma lalo o nā kūlana o kēia manawa.
NERMEEN KANAKA: ʻO Professor Achcar, makemake au e hele i kekahi o kāu — ua kākau ʻoe i kekahi mau ʻatikala ma mua a ma hope o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Lūkini iā Ukraine. Ua kuhikuhi ʻoe, pololei, me ka manaʻo e ikaika ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Rūsia NATO immeasurably, me Finland a me Suedena e ʻimi nei e komo i ka pūʻali koa - ʻo ia hoʻi, he aha ka mea i hana. I kēia manawa, nui ka poʻe i kuhikuhi aku ʻo kekahi o nā kumu o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana ma kahi mua ʻo ia ka hoʻonui hikina o NATO. Inā ʻo ia ka hihia - ʻo ka mea mua, ʻae ʻoe ʻo ia ka hihia? A ʻo ka lua o nā mea a pau, pehea e hoʻomaopopo ai kekahi i ka mea i hiki mai ma muli o ka hopena, ʻoiai ua manaʻo ʻia, ʻaʻole ʻoe wale nō akā he nui nā mea ʻē aʻe? Pehea kēlā — pehea i komo ai kēlā helu i ka helu ʻana o Rūsia no ka hoʻouka kaua? ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke noʻonoʻo i kēlā NATO e hoʻonāwaliwali ʻia ka hopena.
GILBERT ACHCAR: Akau. ʻAe, manaʻo wau, ʻo ka mea mua, ʻo kaʻu ʻōlelo, e hoʻomaka me ka helu hope, he kuhi hewa kēia. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ia kekahi o nā hewa o ka mōʻaukala i hana pinepine ʻia e nā alakaʻi i nalowale i ka manaʻo o ka ʻoiaʻiʻo a me ke ana a hoʻomāhuahua loa i ko lākou ikaika ponoʻī a hoʻohaʻahaʻa i ka hiki o ka poʻe a lākou e kūʻē ai. A ua maopopo loa ia mea. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, e hoʻomanaʻo ʻoe no nā pule mua, ua hoʻopuni ka pūʻali koa Lūkini iā Kyiv, a ʻo ka manaʻo e lawe i ke kapikala a hoʻohaʻahaʻa i ke aupuni, e hoʻopau i nā alakaʻi āpau o ka mokuʻāina ʻo Ukrainian a hoʻololi iā lākou me kahi mea e like me kāu i loko. Belarus — ʻo ia hoʻi, he aupuni i hoʻokō pono iā Moscow. A hāʻule loa kēlā. No laila, manaʻo wau ua loaʻa, ma ke kumu, kahi kuhi hewa nui. He neʻe noʻonoʻo loa kēlā, mai kēlā me kēia kihi āu e lawe ai. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ka haʻalele ʻana i ka pono, nā noʻonoʻo kanaka a me nā mea ʻē aʻe, ʻoiai mai ka manaʻo maoli, ʻo wau hoʻi, ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo maoli, inā makemake ʻoe, a i ʻole ka helu ʻana, ua kuhi hewa loa.
I kēia manawa, ka pilikia o NATO, ʻO koʻu manaʻo, pili ia i kā mākou nānā ʻana. Inā mākou e kamaʻilio nei ma nā ʻōlelo mōʻaukala, ʻaʻohe kānalua i koʻu manaʻo ʻo ka hoʻonui ʻana o NATO, ka hoonui hikina o NATO, i hoʻomaka ʻia e ka hoʻokele ʻana o Bill Clinton i nā makahiki 90, ʻo kēia hoʻoholo weliweli e hoʻonui ai. NATO, ma kahi o ka hau hau a ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ka hoʻoheheʻe ʻana NATO, e like me ka hopena o ka Soviet Union — he mea koʻikoʻi kēia hoʻoholo i ka hoʻokumu ʻana i nā kūlana i alakaʻi i ke kūlana o ka honua i kēia manawa a me kēia kūlana o ka pilina ma waena o nā ʻāina Komohana a me Russia.
A ua nui nā neʻe mai ka makahiki 2008, maopopo loa, mai Rūsia, hiki ke manaʻo ʻia he countermoves e pale ai i ka hiki ke komo i NATO o Georgia a me Ukraine, ma hope o ʻelua nalu o ke komo ʻana i NATO ʻO nā ʻāina i noho ma lalo o ka mana Soviet a i ʻole kekahi hapa o ka Soviet Union. ʻO nā mokuʻāina Baltic ʻekolu he ʻāpana o ka Soviet Union. He mau repubalika Soviet lakou. A ua hoʻohui pū ʻia lākou i loko NATO.
A, ʻoiaʻiʻo, mai ka ʻaoʻao Lūkia, ua ʻike mau ʻia kēia ma ke ʻano he hoʻomāinoino a me ka huhū - a no ke kumu maikaʻi. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ma ka mua, no ke aha ia NATO makemake nui ʻo ia e hoʻohui i kēia mau mokuʻāina a ʻaʻole e hāʻawi iā Rūsia ponoʻī - a ʻaʻole loa e hāʻawi iā Russia ponoʻī - e hui pū. NATOʻO kaʻu manaʻo, inā ʻaʻole ʻo ia ka manaʻo o kēia mau mea - pehea e ʻōlelo ai? - e hoʻopuni a e ālai iā Rusia?
No laila, ʻo Vladimir Putin iā ia iho, i ka nui, he huahana o nā kulekele hoʻokele US e pili ana iā Rūsia, me nā kulekele waiwai weliweli i ka '90s, ʻike ʻoe, ka mea i kapa ʻia ʻo shock therapy, neoliberal shock therapy, ka mea i hana i ka honua. me ka huhū o ka lāhui, i ka piʻi ʻana o kekahi mea e like me Vladimir Putin.
I kēia manawa, ua ʻōlelo ʻia kēia mau mea, ʻo ke kaua 2014 o Rūsia ma Ukraine a me ka hoʻohui ʻia ʻana o Crimea i manaʻo ʻia, i ka nui, e ālai i ke komo ʻana o Ukraine i NATO, hiki ke hoʻomau i ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa. A ʻoiaʻiʻo, mai ka wā i hoʻohui ai ʻo Rūsia iā Crimea, ʻaʻohe mea hiki ke hui pū ʻo Ukraine NATO, no ka NATO ʻAʻole hiki ke lawe ma luna o kahi ʻāina de I facto i ke kaua me ka aina e, i ke kaua. No laila ʻaʻole ia e hana. A no ke kumu hoʻokahi, ua loaʻa iā ʻoe ke komo ʻana o Rūsia ma Georgia i ka makahiki 2008, no ka pale ʻana i kekahi manaʻo o ke komo ʻana o Georgia i NATO.
Akā i ka 20 - ʻo wau, i kēia makahiki, i Pepeluali i kēia makahiki, ʻaʻole ke kumu. ʻAʻohe manaʻo koke o kekahi komo ʻana o Ukraine i NATO. ʻAʻole, ʻokoʻa loa kēlā. A ua hoʻomākaukau ʻia i kekahi mau mahina e Vladimir Putin ma ke ʻano he ʻāpana o kāna, mua, nā kulekele kūloko o ka nationalism, o "Ukrainemania," e like me ka mea i kapa ʻia e kekahi mea kākau Lūkini, a - me ka manaʻo hoʻi, ua loaʻa iā ia, hiki iā ia. hoʻouka maoli iā Ukraine a hoʻololi i kona aupuni, a me ka pilikia ʻole. No laila, ʻo ia ka kuhi hewa a mākou i ʻōlelo ai.
A ke manaʻo nei au ʻo kekahi o nā kumu i pilikia nui ai ʻo ia e Ukraine ʻo ia ka mea i hana ʻia me ke koho ʻana iā Zelensky, ʻo kēlā me kēia mea e manaʻo ai iā Zelensky. Akā ʻo ke koho balota, i nā koho manuahi, o kahi maverick e like me Zelensky kahi mea i manaʻo ʻia he kumu hoʻohālike maikaʻi loa, mai kekahi e like me Vladimir Putin. ʻOiaʻiʻo, hiki iā Zelensky, i loko o kona noʻonoʻo, ke hoʻomanaʻo wale iā ia iā Navalny, kona hoa paio ponoʻī, a me kāna mea - ʻike ʻoe, e like me kā mākou ʻike, nā mea a pau i loaʻa iā Navalny.
No laila, ke manaʻo nei au aia kēia - ma ka ʻaoʻao hoʻokahi, ʻo ka hopohopo e loaʻa paha iā ʻoe ka hoʻomohala ʻana i kekahi ʻano o ke aupuni democratic a me ka politika ma Ukraine, ʻaʻole i ʻae ʻia, e hele ana i ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe o ka hoʻonui ʻana o ka mana aupuni a me ka autocratic. ka aoao Rusia. ʻAʻole wau e kānalua i ke kāhea ʻana i kēia lā ʻo Rūsia, ke aupuni, he neofascist, ma ke ʻano he nui nā hiʻohiʻona o ka fascism, me ka ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, kēia ʻano ʻano paramilitary, akā ma ke ʻano o ka hoʻohālikelike ʻana i ka democracy. . He democracy hoʻopunipuni, ʻoiaʻiʻo. Loaʻa iā ʻoe nā koho balota hoʻopunipuni, kahi hoʻohālike o ka demokala. Akā, ʻo ka mea nui, loaʻa iā ʻoe kahi aupuni repressive a me ka ʻēheu ʻākau.
NERMEEN KANAKA: ʻO Professor Achcar, hiki iā ʻoe ke wehewehe liʻiliʻi i ka manaʻo āu i ʻōlelo ai e pili ana iā Navalny a me Zelensky, no ke aha e ʻike ai ʻo Putin iā lākou a i ʻole e ʻike paha iā lākou ma ke ʻano he mea pili a like paha? A laila, makemake au e huli i ka Haawina i kākau ai ʻoe i ka lā - mau lā ma hope o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana, poʻomanaʻo ʻo "He memo ma ke kūlana anti-imperialist radical e pili ana i ke kaua ma Ukraine." E wehewehe i ke kumu āu i kākau ai i kēlā ʻāpana.
GILBERT ACHCAR: Akau. ʻO ka mea mua, ʻo kaʻu mea i ʻōlelo ai e pili ana iā Zelensky lāua ʻo Navalny, manaʻo wau, ʻo wau ka mea hiki ke koho i kekahi e like me Zelensky, ma ke ʻano he ʻano maverick - ua ʻike ʻia ʻo ia - a ma luna o kēlā, ʻo wau, ʻO ia hoʻi e like me ka Russophone, ʻo ia hoʻi, ʻo ka ʻōlelo makuahine ka Lūkini, a no ka ʻohana Iudaio. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, he mea kēia e hōʻike ana i ke ʻano o ka hoʻokō democratic ma kahi ʻāina e like me Ukraine, he mea weliweli ia no kekahi e like me Putin, no ka osmosis moʻomeheu, nā loulou moʻomeheu ikaika, a me ka ʻōlelo, ma waena o Ukraine a me Rusia. No laila, pilikia loa ka laʻana. A ʻo ia - ʻoiaʻiʻo wau ʻo ia kekahi kumu - ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻaʻole hoʻokahi wale nō, akā hoʻokahi kumu nui - i ka piʻi ʻana o ka manaʻo o Vladimir Putin iā Ukraine, e hoʻomaka ana mai ke kauwela o 2021.
E pili ana i ka memo aʻu i kākau ai i ʻekolu lā i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana, ʻo ia ka mea ma muli o koʻu komo ʻana i nā kūkākūkā he nui e pili ana i nā kaua, e pili ana i nā kaua imperialist, a me ke ʻano o ka anti-imperialism. I ka makahiki i hala, ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi Haawina, he ʻatikala lōʻihi ma ʻO ka Nation, e pili ana i ke ano o ka anti-imperialism. A no laila, ua manaʻo wau ʻo ka huikau i ulu aʻe ma waena o ka ʻaoʻao hema radical he mea pono e wehewehe i ke ʻano o ke kūlana anti-imperialist i kēia kaua, a ʻo ia ke kumu aʻu i kākau ai i kēia memo. A ʻo kaʻu mea nui, aia iā mākou - ʻo ka anti-imperialism e kūʻē i nā imperialism āpau, ʻaʻole kūʻē i ka US a i ʻole nā ʻāina imperialist Western wale nō, a, ʻo ka lua, ʻo ke kūʻē i ka imperialism e hoʻokumu ʻia ma ka pono o ka poʻe iā lākou iho- manao paa. ʻO ia ke kumu o ka anti-imperialism. A ʻo ia kā mākou kumu alakaʻi i ka wehewehe ʻana i ko mākou kūlana, he antiwar, he ʻēheu hema, he holomua, i nā kaua āpau o kēia ʻano.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Polofesa Achcar, ʻo ʻoe ke kaukaʻi o nā pilina pili honua ma ke Kula ʻo Oriental and African Studies ma ke Kulanui o Lākana, a ke kamaʻilio nei mākou iā ʻoe ma Marseille, Farani. Nānā pū ʻoe i ka media. A ma Farani, aia kahi ala ʻē aʻe. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻo ka pelekikena, ʻo Macron, he ala ʻē aʻe iā Putin, i ʻike pinepine ʻia he ala hope no Biden i ke kamaʻilio ʻana me Putin. A ke haʻohaʻo nei au i kēia manawa, ke hoʻomaka nei mākou e hoʻopau i kēia kamaʻilio ʻana, pehea kou manaʻo, ʻoiai ʻo Rūsia e paʻi wale nei iā Ukraine i kēia lā, ʻoiai ʻo ʻAmelika e hāʻawi ana i nā piliona kālā o nā mea kaua kaua iā Ukraine - ua kamaʻilio ʻo Zelensky i kahi hui hui o ka ʻAhaʻōlelo ma. kanaka ma Wasinetona, D.C. — he aha kāu e ʻike ai i ka hopena o ke kaua, a inā ʻoe e ʻike i ka UN i komo i loko o nā kūkākūkā e pili ana i kēlā.
GILBERT ACHCAR: ʻAe, maopopo. ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke noʻonoʻo i ka hopena o kēia kaua me ka ʻole o ke komo ʻana o ka UN, ʻo wau hoʻi, pōkole, ʻike ʻoe, i kekahi hana mana a i ʻole kekahi pīhoihoi nui e like me ka hāʻule ʻana o ke aupuni o Putin a i ke aupuni o Putin. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, pōkole o kahi mea e hoʻololi loa i ke kūlana, ʻo ke ala wale nō e hoʻopau ai i kēia kaua ma o ka United Nations, ka United Nations e komo mai ana. A ʻo ia hoʻi ʻo Kina. I kēia manawa, hiki iaʻu ke ʻike ʻaʻole makemake nui ʻo ʻAmelika a me Kina e ʻae i ka UN e lawe i kēia pilikia a neʻe aku, ʻo wau hoʻi, he maluhia mau a me ka maluhia pono, ʻo ia wale nō ka maluhia me ka ʻole o ka hoʻohui ʻana a me ka maluhia. ma ke kuleana o - ka pono o ka lehulehu e hoʻoholo ponoʻī ma nā ʻāina i hoʻopaʻapaʻa ʻia. ʻO ia ke ala maluhia, democratic e hoʻoponopono ai i nā pilikia, ʻaʻole ma ke kaua, ʻaʻole ma ka ikaika. Kūʻē mākou i ka loaʻa ʻana o ka ʻāina ma ka ikaika. A ʻo kēia kekahi o nā kumu nui i hoʻokumu ʻia ai ka United Nations Charter. A no laila, ʻo ia ke kumu ma aneʻi. ʻO kaʻu manaʻo, ʻo kēlā me kēia hopena e hele i loko o ka United Nations. Pono nā kūkākūkā e hele ma waena o nā Aupuni Hui Pū ʻIa a mahalo i nā loina o ka UN Charter.
I kēia manawa, ʻaʻole wau e ʻike i ka hoʻokele Biden e hoʻoikaika nui ana i ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e kiʻi i kēlā, e komo pū kekahi me Kina. A ʻo ke alakaʻi ʻo Biden he mea koʻikoʻi loa, huhū loa iā Kina, e hoʻomau ana i nā kulekele ʻenemi i hoʻomaka ʻia e Donald Trump. A he mea kūʻē loa kēia no ka manaʻolana no ka maluhia, no ka mea, ʻo Kina, maopopo loa, ke paʻa nei i kahi kūlana koʻikoʻi ma ka mea ʻo ia wale nō ka mea nui e ʻike ai ʻo Rūsia, a no laila ke kaupaona nei ke kūlana o Kina i kēlā me kēia hoʻoholo a Rūsia.
AMY GOODMAN: Makemake mākou e mahalo nui iā ʻoe no kou noho pū ʻana me mākou, ʻo Gilbert Achcar, ke kaukaʻi o nā pilina pili honua ma SOAS, ke Kula o [Oriental] and African Studies, ma ke Kulanui o Lādana, e kamaʻilio ana iā mākou mai Marseille, Farani. Ua hana ʻo ia i ka ʻoihana socialist a me ka antiwar no nā makahiki he mau makahiki, ka mea kākau o nā puke he nui, me Mana Pilikino: ʻO ka Middle East a me US Foreign Policy, i kākau pū me Noam Chomsky; Makemake ka poʻe: He ʻimi hoʻokalakupua o ke kipi ʻana o Arab; ʻO kāna puke aʻe, e puka mai ana i ʻApelila, Ke Kaua Anu Hou: ʻO ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, Rusia, a me Kina mai Kosovo a i Ukraine.
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