AMY GOODMAN: Ua hoʻopio ʻia nā pūʻali palena ʻāina o Pakistan
Ma mua o kēia mahina, ua hoʻopaʻa ʻo US commandos i nā moku helikopa ma kekahi kauhale Pakistani a wehe i ke ahi ma kahi pūhui, a make i iwakālua mau kānaka. ʻO ka hoʻouka kaua commando ma hope o nā pule o ka hahau ʻana e nā mokulele mokulele ʻAmelika Predator a hoʻoulu i ka uwē i loko
ʻO ka hanana o ka Pōʻakahi e hiki mai ana i nā lā ma hope o ka hōʻike ʻana ua kau inoa ʻo Pelekikena Bush i kahi kauoha i Iulai e ʻae ana i nā kuʻi unilateral US a me nā hana ʻāina i loko.
PRESIDENT-ELECT ASIF ALI ZARDARI: Ke haʻi hou aku nei au, he aliʻi ka pāremata. E malama keia peresidena i ka ahaolelo. A makemake au e hoʻomanaʻo i ka mōʻaukala ua hiki i ka demokala nāwaliwali ke lawe i ka hapakolu ʻelua a hoʻolilo i pelekikena me ka hapakolu ʻelua, ʻoiai ʻaʻole hiki i kahi dictator i ka lole lole ke hana. No laila, kamaʻilio ke aupuni democracy, a lohe nā mea a pau. A i ka poʻe e ʻōlelo nei he hoʻopaʻapaʻa ka Peoples Party a i ʻole ka Pelekikena ma lalo o kā mākou mālama ʻana, ma lalo o kā mākou mālama ʻana, e ʻōlelo wau, "E hoʻolohe i ka democracy. Ua ʻōlelo ka 99 pakeneka o ka poʻe.
AMY GOODMAN:
PRESIDENT-ELECT ASIF ALI ZARDARI: Ke aupuni o
AMY GOODMAN: I kēia manawa, ua hoʻoikaika ka pūʻali koa Pakistan i kāna hana kū'ē i nā kaiaulu kokoke i ka palena, a pepehi i kanakolukumamālua mau kānaka, meʻekolu mau wāhine, i ka hoʻouka kauaʻana iā Bajaur i ka lā Sābati.
ʻO kaʻu malihini i kēia lā he mea kākau moʻolelo kahiko, mea haʻiʻōlelo, mea hana, mea kākau, ʻo Tariq Ali, hānau ʻia ma
aloha i ʻO ka Democracy Nei!
TARIQ ALI: Aloha nui e noho pū me ʻoe, e Amy.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO kēia hanana hou, kāu mau ʻōlelo?
TARIQ ALI: ʻAe, manaʻo wau he kūlana pōʻino. No ka makahiki i hala iho nei, ua hoʻopaʻapaʻa nui ʻia i loko o ka
AMY GOODMAN: Pehea?
TARIQ ALI: Ma ke ano o ka heluna kanaka Pashtun o ka
AMY GOODMAN: A ua hoʻomaopopo ʻo Senatoa Obama i kona manaʻoʻiʻo ʻo ka
TARIQ ALI: Manaʻo wau he kuhi hewa nui kēia a Senatoa Obama i hana ai. E mihi ʻo ia, no ka mea, ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo ua haʻi ʻia ʻo ia i ke ʻano o ke kūlana
Ma hope o nā mea a pau, he mau makahiki he nui, ʻo Amy, ʻehiku mau makahiki mai ka 9/11. Ua loaʻa iā lākou kēlā ʻāina no ʻehiku mau makahiki, a i kēlā me kēia makahiki e hala ana, ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ke kūlana. Ke kūʻē nei lākou i ka poʻe e noho ana ma ia ʻāina, a ʻaʻole hiki iā lākou ke lanakila i ke kaua. No laila, i mea e hōʻoiaʻiʻo ai i ko lākou lanakila ʻole ʻana i ka puʻuwai a me ka noʻonoʻo o ka hapa nui o ka poʻe Afghan, ke hoʻonui nei lākou i ke kaua i loko o Pakistan, kahi e hana ai i nā kūlana i loko o ka pūʻali koa Pakistan i koʻikoʻi loa, no ka mea, e hiki mai ana ka huhū maoli.
A ʻo kēia hōʻike i nehinei, aia kahi hakakā ma waena o ka pūʻali koa Pakistan a me nā helikopter US e hoʻāʻo nei e pae i nā Marines kokoke i ka
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO kou mau manaʻo e pili ana i ka pelekikena hou, ʻo Zardari, ka wahine kāne make o ke Kuhina Nui Benazir Bhutto i pepehi ʻia?
TARIQ ALI: ʻAe, he mea leʻaleʻa iki ka lohe ʻana iā ia e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hoʻonui ʻia ʻana o ke aupuni demokala, ʻoiai ʻo ke kumu wale nō o kona pelekikena ʻo (a) ʻo ka hāʻawi ʻana aku o kāna wahine i ka ʻaoʻao kālaiʻāina āna i waiho ai iā ia ma kāna makemake. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, pēlā ʻo ia i lilo ai i alakaʻi no ka Peoples Party, ʻo ka makemake o Benazir—
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ia a me kāna keiki.
TARIQ ALI: ʻO ia a me kāna keiki. ʻO ke keiki ka hoʻoilina maoli, akā e lilo ana ʻo ia i aliʻi mōʻī a e hoʻokele i ka ʻāina a hiki i ka wā o ke keiki. He aha ka pili o kēia me ke aupuni democracy?
ʻO ka lua, ua ʻike ʻia ʻo ia kekahi o nā kālaiʻāina ʻino loa o ka ʻāina. Ua waiwai nui ʻo ia i ka wā i noho ai ʻo Benazir i ka mana i nā manawa mua ʻelua a hoʻonui i ka waiwai nui. Aia nā hoʻopiʻi palaho no ka lawe kālā ʻana iā ia ma ka ʻaha hoʻokolokolo
A ʻo ke kiʻi aʻu e makemake ai e hōʻike ʻia ma kāna ʻaha hoʻolaʻa, ʻo ke alakaʻi haole ʻē aʻe āna i kono ai ʻo Hamid Karzai o
AMY GOODMAN: Pehea?
TARIQ ALI: —ka poe i hoonoho ia ia i ka mana, no ka mea, ua ike lakou i kona ano. ʻIke lākou i kona ʻano e pili ana i kāna palaho. A he mea ʻike ʻia ʻo ia no lākou. ʻO ka manaʻo e hōʻike ana ʻo ia i ke aupuni demokala Pakistan - inā he koho pololei i ka pelekikena, ʻaʻohe ala e lanakila ai ʻo ia. ʻO kona kūlana i kēia manawa aia ma ka 14 pakeneka.
AMY GOODMAN: Ua hoʻokaʻawale ʻo ia a me ke alakaʻi kūʻē ʻo Nawaz Sharif no ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i ka—a i ʻole ka hoʻihoʻi ʻana i nā loio a me nā luna kānāwai i ko lākou kūlana. No ke aha i kākoʻo ʻole ai ʻo Zardari i kēlā?
TARIQ ALI: No ka mea, he enemi o Zardari i ka Lunakanawai Kiekie o ka Aha Kiekie, no ka mea, he lunakanawai nui kuokoa loa keia, a no ka mea, ke kue nei ke Komohana, ka mea i hope ia Zardari i keia manawa, i ka hoihoi hou ia ana o ka lunakanawai nui. ʻO wau ʻo Amy, ʻike ʻoe i ka mea i hana? ʻO kēia luna kānāwai nui, i ka ʻōlelo ʻana a kekahi wahine,
AMY GOODMAN: Iftikhar Chaudhry.
TARIQ ALI: — Wahi a Iftikhar Chaudhry, oiai oia i Lunakanawai Kiekie, hele mai la kekahi wahine iaia, he wahine ilihune, a olelo mai la oia, "Ua nalowale kuu keiki. ʻAʻole au ʻike i hea ʻo ia. ʻAʻohe mea e haʻi mai iaʻu. Ua kii aku keia lunakanawai nui o ka Aha Kiekie i ke poo o ka Federal Intelligence Agency imua o ka aha a ninau aku la, "Auhea keia kanaka?" Ua ʻōlelo ke poʻo o ka Federal Intelligence Agency, "ʻAʻole mākou i ʻike i kāu mea e kamaʻilio nei." A olelo mai la ka Lunakanawai Kiekie, "E lawe mai paha oe i keia pio imua o'u iloko o na hora he kanahakumamawalu, a i ole e hele oe i ka halepaahao." ʻAʻole i lohe ʻia ka ʻōlelo e like me kēia ma ka ʻAha Kiekie Pakistan a i ʻole kekahi. I loko o kanahākūmāwalu hola, ua hana ʻia ke kanaka. ʻĪ maila ʻo ia, “He aha ka hōʻike kūʻē iā ia?” ʻAʻohe hōʻike; ʻo ia wale nō ka
AMY GOODMAN: Pehea i lilo ai ʻo Zardari i pelekikena, inā loaʻa iā ia kahi mea e like me 14 pakeneka kākoʻo?
TARIQ ALI: No ka mea, ʻaʻole pololei ke koho ʻana i ka pelekikena. ʻO ka pāremata e noho ana a me nā ʻaha kūkā panalāʻau e koho i ka pelekikena. Ua lanakila kona ʻaoʻao i kēlā mau koho balota ma muli o ka pepehi kanaka ʻana iā Benazir. Akā, i ka minuke i maopopo ai ua pili ʻo Zardari i kāna mau hana kahiko, ʻaʻole i hoʻihoʻi i ka ʻaha hoʻokolokolo, ua hōʻike nā koho balota āpau i ka emi wikiwiki.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO wai ka lanakila inā loaʻa nā koho koho pololei?
TARIQ ALI: ʻAe, ke manaʻo nei au inā he mau koho koho pololei a ua hoʻokūkū ʻia ʻo Zardari e ka luna kānāwai nui, ʻo Iftikhar Chaudhry, ʻaʻohe mea kānalua i koʻu manaʻo e lele ʻo Iftikhar Chaudhry i ka mana. A i ʻole ʻo Nawaz Sharif.
AMY GOODMAN: Kākau ʻoe—ua kapa ʻia kāu puke ʻO ka Duel: Pakistan ma ke ala lele o ka mana ʻAmelika. ^ E Ha yM. No ke aha mai Ka Duel?
TARIQ ALI: He paio lōʻihi ka duel i hana ʻia e ka poʻe o kēia ʻāina, kokoke i ka 200 miliona o lākou, e kūʻē i kahi elite kālaiʻāina kolohe i kākoʻo ʻia e ka pūʻali koa a me ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i kēia manawa no kanalima makahiki. Ua hakakā lākou no nā ʻano mea e pono ai ke ola: ke olakino, ka hoʻonaʻauao, ka meaʻai e ʻai ai. A i kēlā me kēia manawa ua hoʻonāukiuki ʻia lākou, a i ʻole nā kipi koa i kākoʻo ʻia e ka
ʻO kēia ka elite koʻikoʻi loa a mālama ʻole iā ʻoe
AMY GOODMAN: Aia ma hea ʻo Musharraf i kēia manawa?
TARIQ ALI: Manaʻo wau ʻo Musharraf - ʻike ʻoe, noho i ka hale i hoʻolako ʻia, kiaʻi nui ʻia e ka pūʻali koa. A ʻo koʻu manaʻo ponoʻī e hoʻomaka ʻo ia e huakaʻi i waho. Noho kona ʻohana ma
AMY GOODMAN: Ua lilo nā piliona, nā piliona US, i loko
TARIQ ALI: ʻAe, ʻo kēia ka mea mau - ʻike ʻoe, pehea lākou e holoi ai i kēia kālā ʻaʻole iaʻu i ʻike, akā nalo mau ke kālā. A ʻo kēia ka hihia me ke kālā i hāʻawi ʻia e ke Komohana i kēia elite no ka manawa lōʻihi. ʻAʻole wau e manaʻo e ʻokoʻa loa ia me Zardari.
AMY GOODMAN: Ua kākau nui ʻoe e pili ana
TARIQ ALI: Nānā, ke kūlana i loko
Akā ʻo ka mea hoihoi loa, e Amy, ua haʻi mau ʻia mai mākou e ka mea paʻi kiʻekiʻe, ʻO ka Economist, New York Times, etc., ʻo ka mea i loaʻa iā ʻoe ma Latin America kahi kūlana i loaʻa iā mākou nā ʻano haʻahaʻa, e like me Lula a me Bachelet ma Chile, a me nā mea paʻakikī, e like me Chavez a me Morales. ʻAe, ʻo ka
AMY GOODMAN: A me ka hookahuli aupuni? Aia paha he kipi e hoʻoneʻe iā Morales?
TARIQ ALI: ʻAe, inā he kipi i loko
AMY GOODMAN: E haʻalele ana mākou i laila, akā manaʻo wau he ʻāpana ʻelua kā mākou i kēia pule. ʻO ka Duel:
Tariq Ali he mea kākau moʻolelo kahiko, mea hoʻopuka a me ka mea hana. Ua hānau ʻia ʻo ia ma
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