Ma COP23, ua wānana ka International Energy Agency e ulu ana ka hana aila o ʻAmelika i kahi helu like ʻole i nā makahiki e hiki mai ana - ʻoiai ʻo ka hapa nui o nā ʻepekema honua e ʻōlelo nei e pono nā ʻāina e hōʻemi i ka ʻili ʻana i ka wahie fossil, ʻaʻole e wikiwiki. I kēia manawa, ua hui pū kekahi pūʻulu ʻepekema 15,000 e hoʻopuka i kahi "hoʻolaha lua" weliweli i ke kanaka, 25 mau makahiki ma hope o ka hoʻopuka ʻana o kahi pūʻulu ʻepekema i ka "hoʻolaha mua" e aʻo ana i ka honua e pili ana i ka loli. Ke kamaʻilio nei mākou me ka mea kākau pū o kēia hōʻike, ʻo Kevin Anderson, kekahi o nā ʻepekema ʻepekema koʻikoʻi o ka honua. ʻO Anderson ka hope alakaʻi o ka Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research a me ke kaukaʻi o ka ikehu a me ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ma ke Kulanui o Manchester ma Beretania. Ua kapa ʻia ka hōʻike "Hiki i ka Climate Afford Europe's Gas Addiction?"
AMY GOODMAN: ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei!, democracynow.org. ʻO wau ʻo Amy Goodman. Ke hoʻolaha ola nei mākou mai ka UN climate summit ma Bonn, Kelemānia. Ua wānana ka International Energy Agency i ka ulu ʻana o ka aila ʻAmelika e ulu aʻe i nā makahiki e hiki mai ana, ʻoiai ʻo ka hapa nui o nā ʻepekema o ka honua e ʻōlelo nei e pono e hōʻoki i ka ʻili ʻana i ka wahie fossil, ʻaʻole e wikiwiki. I kēia manawa, ua hui pū kekahi pūʻulu ʻepekema 15,000 e hoʻopuka i kahi "hoʻolaha lua" weliweli i ke kanaka, 25 mau makahiki ma hope o ka hoʻopuka ʻana o kahi pūʻulu ʻepekema i ka "hoʻolaha mua" e aʻo ana i ka honua e pili ana i ka loli.
Hele mai kēia ma ke ʻano he mea hou like Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia ua hoʻohaʻahaʻa loa nā aupuni ʻEulopa i ka hoʻokuʻu ʻia ʻana o ka methane mai ke kinoea. Ua ʻike ʻia ka hōʻike e hiki i nā lāhui ʻEulopa ke puhi i ke kinoea a me nā wahie mōʻalihaku ʻē aʻe i kēia manawa no ʻeiwa mau makahiki hou aʻe ma mua o ka pau ʻana o kēia mau ʻāina i kā lākou mahele o ke koena kālā kalapona o ka Honua e pono ai e mālama i ka piʻi ʻana o ka mahana ma lalo o 2 degere Celsius, a i ʻole 3.6 degere Fahrenheit. .
ʻAe, ua hui pū mākou i kēia manawa e ka mea kākau pū o ia hōʻike, kekahi o nā ʻepekema ʻepekema koʻikoʻi o ka honua. Ua huakaʻi ʻo ia ma ʻaneʻi mai ʻEnelani ma ke kaʻaahi, hōʻole ʻo ia e lele no ka nui o kāna kapuaʻi kalapona. ʻO Kevin Anderson ka hope alakaʻi o ka Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research a me ke kaukaʻi o ka ikehu a me ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ma ke Kulanui o Manchester ma Beretania, ka mea kākau o ka hōʻike hou nui i kapa ʻia "Can the Climate Afford Europe's Gas Addiction?"
Kevin Anderson, hoʻi hou mai ʻO ka Democracy Nei! He mea maikaʻi ke noho pū me mākou. No laila, nui nā mea e kamaʻilio ai. ʻO ka mua, ua lawe ʻoe i ke kaʻaahi ma ʻaneʻi, ʻaʻole i ka mokulele?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻAe. Ke hoʻāʻo mau nei au a hele ma ke kaʻaahi a ma ka moku paha, pinepine ma ka moku pahu. ʻAʻole ia i koʻu manaʻo he mea nui ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana mai iaʻu a i ʻole kekahi kanaka ʻē aʻe. Akā, ke manaʻo nei au he mea pono, no ka poʻe o mākou e manaʻo nei he pilikia nui a koʻikoʻi ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau, e hōʻike mākou i ia mea i loko o ko mākou ola ponoʻī, a ʻaʻole mākou e hōʻike wale ia mea ma kā mākou hana, akā e hoʻāʻo ʻoe. a hoʻoikaika nui i kēlā kumuhana, ma waena o kā mākou mau hoa hana, me kā mākou mau kulanui ponoʻī, a laila, ʻoiaʻiʻo, manaʻolana, i ka hopena, e koho nā aupuni i kēia mau mea a laila e hoʻonui i nā kulekele e hoʻohuli i kēia loli ʻano i ka lāhui a laila, manaʻolana. , he pae honua.
AMY GOODMAN: Ua haku ʻoe i ka huaʻōlelo "the climate glitterati." Pehea kou manaʻo?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: Manaʻo wau aia - no nā makahiki he nui, aia kekahi poʻe, ʻike ʻoe, ka mea nui a me ka maikaʻi, i ka honua honua. A ʻoiaʻiʻo, ua hoʻāʻo nui lākou e hoʻoponopono i ka pilikia o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau, ʻoiai ke manaʻo nei au, me ka ʻikepili hou loa, hiki iā mākou ke ʻike i ka piʻi ʻana o nā emissions, ʻoiai i kēia makahiki, ma 2017. No laila, ʻo lākou a me nā mea ʻē aʻe o mākou. ua hāʻule maoli i ka hāʻawi ʻana i ka mea a mākou i manaʻo ai a i ʻole ka mea a mākou i manaʻolana ai.
Akā, ke manaʻo nei au, ua hana maikaʻi loa kēia hui ma waho o ka honua hoʻololi, inā makemake ʻoe, mai loko o kēia mau mea a pau, nā COP a i ʻole nā kūkākūkā, ka hoʻopili ʻana me nā mea hana kulekele, nā huakaʻi i Davos a pēlā aku. A ke manaʻo nei au, i ka hana ʻana i kēlā, i ka lilo ʻana i ʻāpana o ka kūlana quo, ua kuhi hewa maoli lākou ʻo kahi hapa nui o ka pilikia i ka wā e pili ana i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ke hoʻololi nei i ke ʻano o ko mākou ola ʻana i kēia lā, ʻoi aku ka poʻe o mākou nā mea hoʻoiho kiʻekiʻe loa. Ma kahi o 50 pakeneka o ka hoʻokuʻu honua i hele mai mai kahi o 10 pakeneka o ka heluna kanaka o ka honua. A maopopo loa ka glitterati o ke aniau—a ua hookomo au ia'u iho ma laila—i loko o ia hui. A pono mākou e hōʻike i ke alakaʻi i kā mākou hana. A ke manaʻo nei au inā e noʻonoʻo koʻikoʻi nā poʻe i kā mākou loiloi makaʻala, a laila pono mākou e hāʻawi i ka hilinaʻi o ka loiloi ma ka hōʻike ʻana e hoʻoponopono nei mākou i ko mākou ola ponoʻī.
AMY GOODMAN: Ua paʻi ʻoe i nā kiʻi o ka piko ma ka pō Pōʻalima?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻAe, ua hana maoli wau, ʻae. ʻAe, ma ʻaneʻi au i ka hola 10:00, ʻaneʻane kaʻawale. Ke hana nei au ma kekahi o nā pūʻulu kamepiula. A mau nō nā pale kamepiula a pau. Akā e holo mau ana nā pale nui nui. A ʻo kēia ka ʻaha kūkā hoʻololi ea, ʻo ka 23rd climate change conference. I kēia manawa, makemake wau a pau i ka UNFCCC a me ka IPCC a me keia mau hui nui. He mea koʻikoʻi lākou a koʻikoʻi i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. Akā, pono mākou, ʻoiaʻiʻo, i kēia manawa, e hōʻike ana i ka loli i kā mākou ʻoihana ponoʻī.
AMY GOODMAN: Ke kamaʻilio nei au me kekahi poʻe koa Pākīpika i kēia kakahiaka, ʻoiai lākou e ʻolokaʻa ana i ka ʻeke ʻulaʻula i ʻōlelo ʻia "E mālama i ka lepo," no Angela Merkel, e kamaʻilio nei i kēia lā. No Tonga a me Samoa lākou. A ʻōlelo lākou ʻo Fiji i loko a ʻo Bonn ma waho, ke anuanu ma waho a e paila ana i loko.
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻAe, ʻo ia ke ʻano. ʻAe, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻae. Alohilohi loa i loko, me nā kukui a pau.
AMY GOODMAN: No laila, hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka mea a David Banks i ʻōlelo ai? ʻO kēia ka ʻōlelo aʻoaʻo ʻo Pelekikena Trump.
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻAe, ʻo kaʻu manaʻo i ka mea aʻu i lohe ai ma laila ʻaʻole ʻoluʻolu ʻo ia i ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e pale i ka mea hiki ʻole ke pale aku, ʻoiaʻiʻo. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻaʻole ʻoliʻoli ʻo ia i ka ʻae ʻana i ka mea a ka pelekikena i ʻōlelo ai i kekahi mau manawa e pili ana i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻo kona kūlana—ua hoʻololi nui ʻia nā kūlana o ka pelekikena ma kēia mea, e like me nā wahi ʻē aʻe.
ʻO koʻu manaʻo, manaʻo wau, i ka hopena o ka lā, ʻaʻole makemake ka pelekikena a me kāna ʻōlelo aʻoaʻo e komo i kekahi mea mai ka ʻepekema e pili ana i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. No laila ke hele mai nei lākou i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau mai kahi hiʻohiʻona ʻokoʻa loa, a ʻo ka ʻepekema he mea pili ʻole. Ke noʻonoʻo nei lākou i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ma kahi ʻano pōkole, haiki, politika.
AMY GOODMAN: No laila, loaʻa iā ʻoe ka Trump panel ma ka pō Pōʻakahi. He mea kupanaha wale. ʻEkolu hapahā o ka lumi i hele ma waena, e hīmeni ana i kahi mele, "Haʻaheo e lilo i ʻAmelika," i kahi mele ʻē aʻe. A i ka pau ʻana o kēia papa—he ʻehā mau luna hui a me kekahi mai ke keʻena o Pence a me ke keʻena o Trump—ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi manawa e nīnau aku ai iā lākou.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO wau ʻo Amy Goodman mai ka ʻO ka Democracy Nei! hola nūhou.
FRANCIS BROOKE: ʻAe, ʻo kēia—ʻo kā mākou kēia—ʻo kā mākou nīnau hope kēia ma mua o ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ka nīnau wikiwiki, he ʻae a ʻaʻole wale nō mai kēlā me kēia o ʻoukou: inā ʻoe e kākoʻo iā Pelekikena Trump e huki ana i ka US ma waho o ka ʻae ʻana o Paris? Inā hiki iā mākou ke hoʻomaka me Lenka?
LENKA KOLLAR: Aia au ma ʻaneʻi no ke kumu, a ʻo ia ke kākoʻo i ka hoʻēmi ʻana i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau.
AMY GOODMAN: He pane ʻae a maʻalahi wale nō.
LENKA KOLLAR: ʻO ka nīnau?
AMY GOODMAN: Ke kākoʻo nei paha ʻoe i ka Pelekikena Trump e huki ana i ka United States mai ka ʻae ʻana i ke aniau o Paris?
LENKA KOLLAR: ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole wau kākoʻo.
AMY GOODMAN: Holly?
HUA NUI KRUTKA: ʻIke wau makemake ʻoe i ka ʻae a i ʻole ʻaʻole, akā ʻaʻole he ʻae a ʻaʻole ka ʻōlelo a kā mākou hui, no laila e ʻoluʻolu e ʻae mai iaʻu e haʻi i ke ʻano. ʻAʻole mākou i kaupaona i kekahi manawa. Aia nā lono, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ua kaupaona mākou ma nā ʻaoʻao ʻelua. ʻO ko mākou manaʻo, aia iā lākou. Nui nā mea e hoʻoholo ai. Akā inā ʻaʻole ʻo ʻAmelika i loko o ka ʻaelike ea o Paris, e hoʻomau mākou e hana i nā ʻenehana haʻahaʻa haʻahaʻa no ka lanahu.
AMY GOODMAN: A ʻo ʻoe iho, e Holly?
HUA NUI KRUTKA: Aloha, ʻaʻole wau he kanaka politika. E kala mai, he cop-out kēlā. Pono ʻoe. ʻO wau iho—ʻaʻole wau ma ʻaneʻi e hōʻike iaʻu iho, no laila e hele mai e kamaʻilio me aʻu ma hope.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻAe a ʻaʻole paha, he mea kūʻē a kūʻē paha ʻoe?
HUA NUI KRUTKA: ʻAʻole wau e pane no koʻu manaʻo pilikino.
AMY GOODMAN: Amosa?
o Amosa HOCHSTEIN: Manaʻo wau he hana maʻalahi kaʻu. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻole manaʻo ʻo Dave a me Francis e ʻōlelo wau i kekahi mea ʻē aʻe. Ua hana au no ka hooponopono o Obama. Ua kākoʻo piha au i ka ʻaelike Paris, manaʻo wau he mea maikaʻi loa ia no ka pelekikena.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Barry Worthington, ʻae a ʻaʻole paha?
BARRY WORTHINGTON: ʻElua mau pane maoli.
HIKI AKU lala: ʻAe a ʻaʻole paha!
BARRY WORTHINGTON: ʻAʻole i lawe ka US Energy Association i kahi kūlana ma mua o ka huki ʻana o ka pelekikena mai Palisa. I kona huki ʻana i waho o Paris, ua hoʻopuka mākou i kahi ʻōlelo e ʻōlelo ana e hoʻoponopono hou ʻo ia iā Paris. Mai koʻu manaʻo ponoʻī, ʻae ka pane, no nā kumu aʻu i waiho ai. ʻO mākou -
AMY GOODMAN: Kākoʻo ʻoe iā Trump e huki iā ʻAmelika i waho.
BARRY WORTHINGTON: Ke hoʻokō nei mākou i nā pahuhopu hoʻemi ʻana me ka loaʻa ʻole o ke kaumaha hoʻoponopono. Ke hana nei mākou no nā kumu ʻē aʻe.
AMY GOODMAN: Francis Brooke?
FRANCIS BROOKE: Mahalo, Barry. I kēia manawa e hele mākou i ka pani ʻana mai kā mākou mea haʻi'ōlelo.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻAʻole, e Francis, makemake wau i kāu pane.
FRANCIS BROOKE: Hiki iā ʻoe—ʻaʻole mākou ma ʻaneʻi—
AMY GOODMAN: ʻElua mau kānaka hou aʻe, nīnau maʻalahi, ʻae a ʻaʻole wale.
HIKI AKU NA HOA: Elima kekona! E pane iā ia! E pane mai!
FRANCIS BROOKE: ʻO kaʻu manaʻo, maopopo loa, hana mākou ʻelua no ka hoʻokele, no laila ʻo ia kā mākou e hōʻike ai, ʻaʻole ia e hoʻololi i kekahi mea. No laila e hele mākou i ka pani ʻana i kēia manawa.
AMY GOODMAN: A, ʻo David Banks, kāu nīnau hope loa.
FRANCIS BROOKE: No laila e hoʻomaka mākou me Barry Worthington.
AMY GOODMAN: E a ole paha?
FRANCIS BROOKE: E pani ʻo ia iā mākou.
HIKI AKU lala: David, he pane?
ʻo Dāvida HAANUI: Hana wau no ka pelekikena o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa.
HIKI AKU lala: No laila he ʻae a ʻaʻole paha?
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ia ke kākāʻōlelo ʻo Trump, ʻo David Banks; ma mua o kēlā, ʻo Francis Brooke, ke kōkua kulekele ma ke Keʻena o Hope Pelekikena Pence. ʻO nā ʻelele hui ʻehā e koi ana i ka nuklea, ke kinoea a me ka lanahu, ʻo Lenka Kollar o NuScale Energy a me Amos Hochstein o Tellurian ʻaʻole i ʻae ʻia me ka huki ʻana o Trump i ka US mai ka ʻaelike ea. ʻAʻole ʻōlelo ʻo Holly Krutka o Peabody. A ua ʻae ʻo Barry Worthington o ka US Energy Association me ka Pelekikena Trump. ʻO ka mea hoihoi, lawe mai ʻo Trump—ʻehā mau alakaʻi ʻoihana ʻo Trump; ʻelua o lākou - ka hapalua o lākou - ʻaʻole kūʻē iā ia ma kēia kumuhana. Akā, kāu pane i kā lākou i ʻōlelo ai?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: Eia hou, manaʻo wau ke hoʻāʻo nei lākou e lawe i kahi laina politika i kēia. ʻAʻole lākou - ʻaʻole lākou i pili pono i nā pilikia o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. ʻAʻole lākou - loaʻa iaʻu ka manaʻo ʻaʻole lākou i ʻike maoli he pilikia koʻikoʻi loa ia, he ʻoi wale nō ia ma ko lākou ʻaoʻao. ʻAʻole ʻoluʻolu lākou i ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e pale i kekahi kūlana a i ʻole kekahi.
ʻIke ʻoe, i kekahi ʻano, manaʻo wau he mea hoʻomanaʻo ia i ka mea a mākou i ʻike ai mai ka hoʻokele Trump: ka nui o ka maopopo ʻole a me ka maopopo ʻole a, e hoʻopaʻapaʻa pū wau, manaʻo wau, ka nele o ka manaʻo noʻonoʻo. No ka mea inā hopohopo maoli lākou e pili ana i nā ʻano mea a Trump i ʻōlelo ai e hopohopo nei ʻo ia, nā mea e like me nā hana, manaʻo wau e hiki ke wehewehe maʻalahi ʻia ka papahana hoʻololi i ke ʻano he papahana hana. No laila, nui ka hana ma ka pane ʻana i ka hoʻokūkū o ke aniau e like me ka ʻaelike Paris. Akā, pono ia i kahi noʻonoʻo hou aʻe. ʻAʻole au i lohe—
AMY GOODMAN: He aha ia mau hana?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻAe, inā ʻoe e noʻonoʻo e pili ana i ia, pono ka ʻoihana hou i ka poʻe e hana ana i loko. Eia nō naʻe, pono mākou e hoʻihoʻi hou i nā ʻōnaehana i loaʻa iā mākou i ko mākou kaiāulu. Inā ʻoe e nānā i ka US, he kiʻekiʻe loa ka hoʻohana ikehu. Pono e loli koke kēlā. ʻO ia hoʻi ka hoʻoponopono hou ʻana i nā hale a me nā waiwai, nā hale kanaka. ʻOi aku ka nui o ka electrification o ka ʻōnaehana ikehu ma mua o kā mākou e ʻike nei i kēia lā. He nui wale ka hana kūkulu, hana ʻenekinia, hana hoʻolālā. ʻIke ʻoe, e pili ana kēia i kahi papahana hana 30 makahiki no nā ʻāpana ʻenehana āpau o ka honua i ka hoʻololi ʻana mai ka ʻoihana kalapona kiʻekiʻe loa i loaʻa iā mākou i kēia manawa i ka ʻōnaehana kalapona haʻahaʻa o ka lā ʻapōpō. No laila, ma ia ʻano, ʻoiaʻiʻo, inā he ʻoiaʻiʻo kāna kūpaʻa ʻana i ka Dust Belt a loaʻa iā ia kahi mana hou, e ʻike ʻo ia he papa hana no ka poʻe i koho iā ia.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO kou mau manaʻo e pili ana i ka geoengineering, kahi mea i kūkākūkā pū ʻia ma aneʻi? ʻO ka mea mua, he aha ka manaʻo a pehea kou manaʻo e pili ana ia mea?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻAe, e maopopo loa. Aia ka geoengineering, a aia kekahi mea e like me ka mea i kapa ʻia ʻo nā ʻenehana hoʻokuʻu kino. ʻO nā ʻenehana hoʻokuʻu maikaʻi ʻole kēia mau ʻenehana i loaʻa ʻole iā mākou, i hoʻolālā ʻia i ka—a i ʻole i manaʻo ʻia i ka wā e hiki mai ana e hoʻoneʻe pololei i ke kalapona mai ka lewa, ʻano omo i ka carbon dioxide mai ka lewa. A ma ka liʻiliʻi loa, ʻo ia ka hoʻoponopono ʻana i ka pilikia maoli, ʻoiai ʻaʻole mākou i kēia mau ʻenehana. A laila hoʻokahe ʻoe i kēlā kalapona dioxide a mālama iā ia ma kahi palekana ma lalo o ka honua no kekahi mau haneli a i ʻole mau tausani makahiki. ʻO ka geoengineering ka—
AMY GOODMAN: No ia mea paha ʻoe?
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: ʻO wau no mākou e noiʻi nei, akā naʻu no mākou e hana i nā hoʻohaʻahaʻa a pau, nā hoʻemi kalapona āpau, me ka manaʻo ʻaʻole pono. No laila, ʻae i ka noiʻi, ʻaʻole e hoʻokomo i loko o kā mākou kulekele i kēia lā.
A ʻo ka geoengineering ka mea maoli, manaʻo wau, ʻoi aku ka pōʻino, ma nā ʻano he nui, ʻoiai, manaʻo wau he mea nui ka loaʻa ʻana o kahi papahana noiʻi. Akā ke ʻōlelo nei ka geoengineering, "ʻAʻole mākou e hana nui i ka mitigation. E hilinaʻi kāua i ka hoʻihoʻi ʻana i ka lā i waho - ka lā a me ka wela i waho i ka lewa, a no laila hiki iā mākou ke hoʻopau i ka pilikia ma ia ala. A he mau mea ia e like me ka paila ʻana i nā sulfate i loko o ka stratosphere, nā pōhaku i loko o ka stratosphere e hoʻokomo i nā sulfate ma laila. Ke hoʻokomo nei lākou i ka hao e hoʻonui ai i ka hoʻomohala ʻana o ka biomass, ka mea e hoʻopaʻa ai i ke kalapona mai ka lewa. Akā, pili kēia mau mea i nā ʻōnaehana honua honua nui ʻaʻole mākou i maopopo. Manaʻo wau he mea weliweli loa lākou. Akā naʻe, manaʻo wau he mea nui ka noiʻi ʻana i kēlā mau mea, akā, eia hou, e hoʻēmi i kā mākou emissions, e hoʻemi i kā mākou emissions, me ka manaʻo ʻaʻole e hana.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ka mea hope loa, he aha ka hopena i ʻōlelo ai ʻo Pelekikena Trump e huki ana ʻo ia i ka US mai ka ʻaelike ea? Ua hoʻohewahewa ʻoe i ka ʻaelike elima. A he 20 kekona wale no no keia mahele o ko kakou kamailio ana, alaila, hana kakou i ka Mahele 2.
KEVIN WAIWAI MAKA: Aia kahi maikaʻi, a aia kekahi hapa ʻino. ʻO ka huki ʻana i waho e hoʻouna i kahi hōʻailona maikaʻi ʻole. Akā i kāna huki ʻana i waho, ua hoʻoikaika ia i kekahi mau wahi ʻē aʻe o ka honua e ʻōlelo, "E komo mākou a hana i nā mea hou aku," me ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, he nui nā mayors US.
AMY GOODMAN: Ke kamaʻilio nei mākou me Kevin Anderson, ke kumu aʻoaʻo Zennström i ke alakaʻi ʻana i ke aniau ma ka Center for Environment and Development Studies, Uppsala University, ʻo ia hoʻi ka noho o ka ikehu a me ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ma ka Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research ma ke Kulanui o Manchester ma Beretania. E loulou mākou i ka hoike ana i haku pu ai.
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