ʻO Phyllis Bennis He hoa a me ka Luna Hoʻokele o ka New Internationalism Project ma ka Institute for Policy Studies ma Wakinekona DC ʻO ia ka mea kākau o ʻO ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana i ka hakakā Palestinian-Israeli: He Primer, Ma mua a ma hope: US Foreign Policy and the September 11 Crisis, Hoʻopau i ke kaua US ma Afghanistan: He Primer a Ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana i ka pilikia o US-Iran: He Primer. ʻO kāna puke hou loa Ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana iā ISIS a me ke Kaua Honua Hou ma ka Terror: He Primer.
SHARMINI PERIES: ʻO ia ka Pūnaewele Nūhou maoli. ʻO wau ʻo Sharmini Peries e hele mai ana iā ʻoe mai Baltimore.
Ua koho ʻia ʻo John Bolton i kākāʻōlelo palekana aupuni no Pelekikena Trump, ma kahi o Gen. McMaster. Ua hoʻopaʻapaʻa loa ke koho ʻia ʻana o Bolton a ua nui ka huhū o ka honua ma muli o kāna moʻolelo ma United Nations i kona wā i lawelawe ai ma ke ʻano he ʻelele US no UN ma lalo o George W. Bush a ma lalo o ke Kakauolelo o ka Moku'āina ʻo Condoleezza Rice. ʻO ka hihia kikoʻī aʻu e kamaʻilio nei ma ʻaneʻi ʻo Iulai o 2006, kahi i hoʻouka ai ʻo ʻIseraʻela iā Lebanona, e hoʻomaka ana i kahi kaua i hala ma mua o hoʻokahi mahina, e koi ana i nā ola o nā tausani Lebanona, 120 Israelis, a me 50 mau lāhui ʻē. Wahi a kahi nīnauele me Danny Gillerman, ka ʻelele o ka ʻIseraʻela i ka UN i kēlā manawa, ua hoʻāʻo ke aupuni Farani e lawe i kahi ʻōlelo hoʻoholo i ka Council Security e hoʻōki i ke kaua. A laila ua ʻae maoli ke Kakauolelo o ka Mokuʻāina ʻo Condoleezza Rice. 'Ōleloʻo Ambassador Danny Gillerman, ua hoʻokokokeʻo Bolton iā ia, ua hōʻikeʻo Rice i ka manaʻo e kākoʻo i ka'ōlelo hoʻoholo, a noi iā ia e komo ma ke kāheaʻana i ke Kuhina Nui o kaʻIseraʻela,ʻo Ehud Olmert i kēlā manawa, a ua kāheaʻo Olmert iā Pelekikena Bush a hoʻokomo iā ia e pale i ka ʻO ka hoʻoholo Farani e hoʻopau i ke kaua. Ua hōʻoia ʻia kēia ʻoiaʻiʻo i nā memoir o ke Kuhina Nui o ʻIseraʻela ʻo Ehud Olmert, i paʻi ʻia i kēia manawa.
ʻO Phyllis Bennis ke hui pū nei me aʻu e kūkākūkā i kēia mau mea a pau. He hoa a me ka luna o ka New Internationalism Project ma ka Institute for Policy Studies ma Wakinekona, DC ʻO ia ka mea kākau o nā puke he nui, me ka "Understanding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: A Primer." Mahalo no kou hui pū ʻana me aʻu, e Phyllis.
PHYLLIS BENNIS: Maikaʻi mau ke noho pū me ʻoe, Sharmini.
SHARMINI PERIES: ʻAe. E Phyllis, e hoʻihoʻi iā mākou i ke kūlana i ka makahiki 2006. No ke aha i hoʻouka ai ʻo ʻIseraʻela iā Lebanona, a no ke aha i paʻakikī loa ka hiki ʻana i kahi hoʻopau ahi, a he aha ke komo ʻana o Bolton i kēia mau mea a pau?
PHYLLIS BENNIS: He kūlana paʻakikī loa kēia e pili ana iā Hezbollah, nā hoʻopiʻi ʻana ua hele ʻo Hezbollah i ka palena o ka ʻIseraʻela. Aia kekahi hakakā palena i hala. He koho ʻIseraʻela ia e hoʻonui i ka mea i hiki ke hoʻopau ʻia. Akā, ua koho lākou e hana i ke kaua holoʻokoʻa. He mea paʻakikī loa ka ʻike ʻana i nā huaʻōlelo no ka hoʻopau ʻana i ke ahi no ka mea ʻo Hezbollah, ʻo ia hoʻi, he hui i hoʻokumu ʻia i ka makahiki 1982 e kūʻē i ka noho ʻana o ka ʻIseraʻela ma ka hema o Lebanona, i kēia manawa he ʻāpana nui o ke ola politika. Lepanona. He ʻaoʻao kālaiʻāina nui me kahi kūlana koʻikoʻi i loko o ka, ma ka Hale Ahaolelo, a he pūʻali koa kona. Aʻo ka nīnau o ka pilina ma waena o Hezbollah a me ka pūʻali Lebanona, ma waena o kaʻaoʻao Hezbollah a me ka moku'āina Lebanona, ua paʻakikī loa ia mau mea a pau.
No laila ua komo ka UN i ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e noʻonoʻo i ka pau ʻana o ke ahi no ka mea he pōʻino loa nā hopena kanaka, ʻike ʻia ma ka ʻaoʻao Lebanona. No ka loaʻa ʻole o ka pilina pili aupuni a ʻIseraʻela a me Lebanona, ʻaʻole i loaʻa iā lākou ka mana e hoʻopili pololei kekahi i kekahi, ua noho ʻo ʻAmelika ma ke ʻano he ʻelele no ka ʻIseraʻela. Ua hōʻike maoli ʻo Farani iā Lebanona. No laila, nui nā kūkākūkā e holo nei ma waena o ʻAmelika a me Farani, a laila e hoʻi kēlā me kēia i kā lākou hoa ʻōpio, inā makemake ʻoe, e loaʻa ka ʻae.
Hoʻomaka koke i kēia pilikia i puka mai me Bolton, a ʻo ka mea e hana ʻia i ke ahiahi, ma kahi o 8:00 i ke ahiahi, he hoʻokahi wale nō pō a ʻelua paha kēia ma mua o ka hoʻoholo ʻia ʻana o ka ʻōlelo hoʻoholo hope loa, ʻo Gillerman, ʻo ia ka ʻelele o ka ʻIseraʻela ma. ʻO New York, loaʻa kahi kelepona mai kāna hoaaloha lōʻihi ʻo John Bolton. ʻO John Bolton i kēlā manawa ka ʻelele US i United Nations. A kāhea ʻo ia iā Gillerman a ʻōlelo aku, e hoʻolohe, pono wau e ʻike iā ʻoe. ʻAʻole ma kou hale, kala mai, ʻaʻole ma kou keʻena a ma koʻu keʻena. E hele mai au i kou hale.
No laila, hele ʻo Bolton i ka hale, ka home o ka ʻelele ʻIseraʻela, e hōʻike maopopo ana ʻaʻole makemake ʻo ia e lohe ʻia, me kāna luna ponoʻī. ʻO ia ka manawa i noho ai ʻo Condoleezza Rice i ke kākau ʻōlelo o ka mokuʻāina, ua manaʻo ʻia ʻo ia ke kahu no Bolton. Ua hōʻoia ʻo ia i kēia leka a ʻōlelo ʻo ia ʻaʻohe ona ʻae e hana i kēia. Hele ʻo ia e hui me Gillerman a ʻōlelo ʻo ia, e hoʻolohe mai, aia ka hewa ma ʻaneʻi a ua kokoke ʻo Condoleezza Rice e waiho i kahi ʻōlelo hoʻoholo i ʻae ʻia e ka Farani, a ʻo ia hoʻi ua ʻae ʻo Lebanona. A ʻōlelo maoli ʻo ia ua kūʻai aku ʻo Condoleezza Rice iā ʻoe i ka Farani. A ʻo ka mea e pono ai ʻoe e hana, ʻo kēia ka ʻAmelika ʻAmelika ʻo John Bolton e ʻōlelo ana i ka ʻelele o ka ʻIseraʻela, ʻo ka mea āu e hana ai, ʻo ia ke kāhea aku i ka pelekikena o ka ʻIseraʻela a kāhea aku iā Pelekikena Bush a hoʻōki i kēia hana. A ʻo ka pane mai ka ʻelele ʻo ia ka hola 3:00 i ke kakahiaka ma ʻIseraʻela. 'Ōleloʻo ia, he mea nui kēia. Pono ʻoe e hana i kēia. Hele ʻo ia a hana i kēia.
ʻO ke kumu i ʻike ai mākou i kēia mau kikoʻī a pau, no ka mea, he mau lā wale nō i hala aku nei ua hāʻawi ʻo Gillerman i kahi nīnauele i ka lekiō Israeli i unuhi ʻia, unuhi ʻia i ka ʻōlelo Pelekania, a ua lele ʻo ia a puni ka honua me kēia mau kikoʻī āpau. No laila he aha ka hana ma ʻaneʻi, ke hana nei ʻo Gillerman i kāna nīnauele ma ka lekiō ʻIseraʻela. A ke haʻi ʻo ia i kēia moʻolelo holoʻokoʻa ʻaʻole hiki i ka mea nīnau nīnau ke manaʻoʻiʻo. A ʻōlelo ʻo ia iā Gillerman, e kali kekona. He aha kāu e ʻōlelo nei ʻo ka Moku'āina ʻOihana ma lalo o Condoleezza Rice ua holomua kekahi mea kūʻē i ka ʻIseraʻela, a ua kāhea ka ʻelele US i ka UN John Bolton iā ʻoe, ʻo ia hoʻi ka ʻelele i ka ʻIseraʻela, a ʻōlelo mai e hoʻolohe, e ala ʻo Olmert, ka pelekikena o ka ʻIseraʻela, no laila. E kamaʻilio ʻo ia me Bush e kāpae iā ia e hoʻōki iā Condoleezza Rice? A pane pololei ʻo Gillerman.
ʻO ia ke kumu o kēia mea holoʻokoʻa kahi pae o ka ʻike. ʻO John Bolton, ʻo ia ka ʻelele US, e hana ana ma ke ʻano he ʻelele, ma ke ʻano he waiwai no ka ʻIseraʻela e kūʻē i ka pono o kāna kākau ʻōlelo mokuʻāina ponoʻī, kāna ʻoihana mokuʻāina ponoʻī, kona mau luna ponoʻī, a me kona pelekikena ponoʻī. He mea kupanaha loa. Ua hoʻi i hope, inā mākou e nānā ʻaʻole kēia ka manawa mua i ʻike ʻia ʻo Bolton ma ke ʻano he waiwai nui no ka ʻIseraʻela. Inā ʻoe e hoʻi i ka manawa ma mua o kēia manawa, i kēia manawa ua koho ʻia ʻo Bolton i ʻelele UN e Pelekikena Bush ma ka mea i ʻike ʻia he koho hoʻomaha. ʻO ia ka mea e ʻike ai ka pelekikena ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke kiʻi i ka Senate e hōʻoia i kahi kūlana kūhelu. Pono e hōʻoia ʻia ke kūlana o ka ʻelele UN e ka Senate. A nui loa ke kūʻē ʻana iā Bolton i ka Senate a ʻike ʻo ia ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke loaʻa. No laila, i ka hāʻule ʻana, hāʻawi ʻo ia iā Bolton i kēia hana manawaleʻa ma ke ʻano he hana hoʻomaha, ʻoi aku ka lōʻihi o hoʻokahi makahiki.
Akā i ka manawa e hoʻopaʻapaʻa ai ka Senate pehea e hana ai me Bolton aia nā hoʻolohe e hele nei, nui ke kūʻē. Akā ʻo kekahi senator koʻikoʻi loa, ʻo ia hoʻi ke senator mai Nu Ioka, ʻo Charles Schumer, ua lilo ia i mea kākoʻo nui iā John Bolton. A ʻo Steve Clemons, ʻo ia ka mea hoʻoponopono o Washington Note, he mea kākau moʻolelo i ʻike maikaʻi ʻia, ua kākau ʻo ia i kāna mea i lohe ai i kēlā manawa, kahi i hoʻolaha ai ʻo Schumer i ka mea a Clemons i kapa ai he hoʻolaha pilikino makemake e kōkua iā Bolton e kūleʻa. A ma ia poʻomanaʻo, ua kāhea ʻo Schumer i kekahi mau hoa hana Demokarata Senate i kūʻē i kēia ʻaoʻao ʻaoʻao ʻākau pro-kaua Republican John Bolton, a ʻōlelo ʻo ia i kāna mau hoa Demokarata, ʻo ke koho kūʻē iā John Bolton he balota kūʻē i ka ʻIseraʻela. He mea kupaianaha. E kūʻē ana ʻo ia i nā pono, i kēia hihia, o kāna ʻaoʻao ponoʻī, e kākoʻo ana i kekahi o nā mea kākau nui o ke kaua ma Iraq, a ʻōlelo ʻoe inā koho ʻoe i kēia kanaka ke koho nei ʻoe i ka ʻIseraʻela.
No laila, he manawa kupaianaha kēia o ka hōʻike ʻana i ke kuleana maoli o Bolton i ʻoi aku ka nui o ka pono o ka ʻIseraʻela ma mua o ka pono o kona aupuni ponoʻī.
SHARMINI PERIES: ʻĀnō, ʻo Phyllis, hāʻawi ʻia i kēia ʻano moʻolelo me Bolton, a i kēia manawa aia ʻo ia i loko o ka Hale Paʻa kahi e hana maoli ai mākou i ka hiki ke hoʻokaʻawale iā Iran i ka ʻāina a hele i kahi kūlana e hele ai ka ʻaelike nuklea me Iran. e wehe ʻia, a hāʻawi ʻia i kēia moʻolelo he aha ke ʻano o ka ʻōlelo aʻo āu e manaʻo ai e hāʻawi ʻo ia iā Trump i kēia manawa?
PHYLLIS BENNIS: ʻAe, he manawa weliweli loa kēia, Sharmini. E like me kāu e ʻōlelo ai, nui ka makaʻu, manaʻo wau ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa, ʻoiaʻiʻo, a ʻoiaʻiʻo hoʻi ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, ʻoiaʻiʻo ma Iran, ʻoiaʻiʻo i waena o nā hoa ʻeono ʻē aʻe o ka US nāna i hoʻopaʻa inoa i ka hana nuklea Iran i loko. 2015, hiki mai Mei 12th, ʻo ia ka lā palena manawa e pono ai ʻo Trump e hōʻoiaʻiʻo e mālama ʻo Iran i nā ʻōlelo o ka ʻaelike i ʻae ʻia e ka International Atomic Energy Agency a me nā mea nānā kūʻokoʻa a pau e mālama ana i nā ʻōlelo. Pono lākou e hana i kēlā a ʻōlelo paha ʻaʻole lākou e mālama hou i nā ʻōlelo a e hoʻokau hou mākou i kēlā mau hoʻopaʻi nuklea i hāpai ʻia i loko o ka pōʻaiapili o ka ʻaelike. Ina pela, pau ka pili. Ua haʻi maoli ʻo ia iā Iran ua haʻalele mākou i ʻaneʻi, ʻaʻohe ʻaelike, a hāʻawi iā lākou i ke kuleana e hele i mua a hoʻomaka hou i ka hoʻoikaika ʻana e kūkulu hou i kā lākou papahana mana nuklea, me ka hoʻonui ʻana i ka uranium.
I kēia manawa, koho paha ka poʻe Iranian ʻaʻole e hana i kēlā, akā he manawa weliweli loa ia. A ʻo ka mea a mākou e ʻike ai e pili ana iā John Bolton, ʻo ia ke kākoʻo ʻana no ka pale ʻana i ka hana nuklea Iran, ua hoʻāʻo nui ʻo ia e hoʻōki iā ia, e like me ke Kuhina Nui ʻIseraʻela ʻo Benjamin Netanyahu, ʻo ia ka mea e hoʻomanaʻo ai i ka makahiki 2015 i kono ʻia e kamaʻilio. he kau hui o ka Ahaolelo, i hele mai nei i ka Ahaolelo, ua haiolelo i ka Ahaolelo ma ke Kapitoli me he mea la o kona hale ia, ke makemake oe. Me he mea lā e hana ana ʻo ia i kahi ʻōlelo State of the Union. A koi aku i nā lālā o ka ʻAha'ōlelo ma ko mākou ʻāina e koho kūʻē i ko lākou pelekikena, ka mea e koi nei iā lākou e kākoʻo i ka hana nuklea Iran. He hōʻike hoʻowahāwahā loa ia no ke aupuni US, inā makemake ʻoe. A ua ʻike mākou mai ke kuhina pale kaua ma mua o ka ʻIseraʻela, ʻo Shaul Mofaz, ua koi pū ʻo Bolton iā ia i ka wā ma mua. Aia kekahi ʻōlelo hoihoi mai Mofaz i ka lā hope a ʻelua paha i kāna ʻōlelo ʻana, Ua ʻike wau iā John Bolton mai kona wā i lilo ai i ʻelele US i United Nations. Ua hoʻāʻo ʻo ia e hōʻoia iaʻu e pepehi ʻo ʻIseraʻela iā Iran.
No laila, eia ʻo John Bolton ma ke ʻano he ʻelele US e hoʻāʻo nei e hoʻoikaika i ka, ke kākau ʻōlelo pale, ke kuhina pale o ka ʻIseraʻela, e hoʻouka kaua ʻo ʻIseraʻela iā Iran. ʻO ke kiʻekiʻe o ka uhaki ʻana i kēlā me kēia ʻano kuleana i kāna kaulahao ponoʻī, i kona pelekikena ponoʻī, i kāna kākau ʻōlelo mokuʻāina, i kāna ʻoihana mokuʻāina.
No laila ke ʻike maopopo nei ʻo Bolton i kona kūlana ponoʻī e ʻōlelo nei e kūʻē mākou iā Iran, pono mākou e hoʻopau i ka hana nuklea, pono mākou e pana iā Iran. Hoʻomanaʻo loa i ka laina kahiko o John McCain, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Akamai loa na mea a pau. A ʻo ia ka mea a John Bolton e ʻōlelo nei, e hoʻopaʻa mākou iā Iran. Ke haʻi nei ʻo ia i ka ʻIseraʻela e hoʻopā lākou iā Iran. A e haʻalele ʻia ka hana nuklea Iran i hana ikaika loa i nā makahiki ʻekolu i hala. He mea weliweli loa kēia no ka mea ʻike mākou ʻo ia ka ʻōlelo aʻo a John Bolton e hāʻawi nei iā Pelekikena Trump.
SHARMINI PERIES: ʻAe, Phyllis. E haʻalele mākou i laila no kēia manawa, akā he nui nā mea e ʻimi e pili ana i ka mea a ke kākā'ōlelo palekana o Donald Trump e haʻi aku iā ia i nā lā a me nā mahina e hiki mai ana. No laila, mahalo nui au iā ʻoe no ke komo ʻana mai iā mākou i kēia lā.
PHYLLIS BENNIS: Mahalo iā ʻoe.
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