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Haruna Mate: Labarin Gaskiya ne. Ni ne Haruna Mate. Amurka ta fitar da wata sabuwar barazana ga Syria kan makamai masu guba. A ranar Litinin, Fadar White House ta ce ta yi imanin cewa shugaban Syria, Bashar al-Assad, na shirya wani sabon hari da makami mai guba, kuma zai biya babban farashi idan aka kai harin. Wannan bayanin ya yi kama da ma'aikatar tsaron Amurka ta Pentagon, amma a ranar Talata, jami'an soji sun ce Amurka ta dau makamai masu guba a sansanin sojin saman da Amurka ta kai harin a watan Afrilu. Syria da Rasha dai sun yi watsi da wannan ikirari tare da kiransa a matsayin tsokana. Amurka dai na ci gaba da zafafa hare-haren soji a cikin kasar Siriya, inda a baya-bayan nan ta harbo wani jirgin yakin kasar ta Siriya tare da kara kai wa dakarun da ke samun goyon bayan Iran hari. Jaridar Washington Post ta ba da rahoton cewa Manyan Jami'an Fadar White House "sun mai da hankali sosai kan Iran kamar daular Musulunci."
Zamu tattauna duk wannan. Na yi magana a baya tare da Max Blumenthal, ɗan jarida mai lambar yabo, marubuci, kuma babban edita na AlterNet's Grayzone Project.
Bari mu fara da wannan bayani na fadar White House kan Syria. Gwamnatin Trump ta bi diddigin hakan tare da shaida a yau daga Nikki Haley, Jakadiyar Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, da take magana da Majalisa. Ta ce hakan na nufin gargadi ne ga Rasha da Iran.
Nikki Haley: Manufar ita ce, a wannan lokacin, ba kawai don aika Assad sako ba, a'a a aika da saƙon Rasha da Iran, cewa idan wannan ya sake faruwa, muna sa ku a cikin sanarwa.
Aaron Mate: Nikki Haley ke magana a yau don shaida ga Majalisa. Max, ko za ku iya magana game da wannan bayani na Fadar White House game da Siriya da kuma wannan harin makami mai guba da suke cewa da kuma mahallin da gwamnatin Trump ke yi a kasa a Siriya.
Max Blumenthal: Da farko dai, wannan magana abin ban mamaki ne daga gwamnatin Trump. Mun ga Nikki Haley, wacce ita ce mamba mai ra'ayin mazan jiya a gwamnatin Trump, ta mallaki wannan sanarwa, wanda ke tunatar da ni sosai game da kalaman gwamnatin Bush game da WMB na Iraki, cewa za su fara yajin aikin riga-kafi don hana Iraki tura WMBs. A halin yanzu, ba a sanar da Pentagon game da sanarwar ba. Babu daidaituwa tare da Ma'aikatar Jiha. Wannan abin ban mamaki ne a cikin kansa. Ba a dai san abin da ya sa sanarwar ba. Duk da haka, kamar yadda kuka ambata ko kuma kamar yadda kuka ba da shawara, sojojin Amurka suna… Dakaru na musamman suna horar da 'yan tawayen Siriya a kan iyakar Siriya da Iraki Al Tanf a kan iyakar Al Waleed. Dakarun Amurka sun shigo da wani na'urar roka mai cin dogon zango a cikin yankin, wanda ake zaton yanki ne na warware rikici.
Suna aiki daga nisan kilomita 100 na sansanin Amurka a kan iyakar Siriya/Iraki, kuma suna can don hana abin da zai kai akalla wata alama ta kasa tsakanin Ramadi da Iraki inda 'yan Shi'a mafi rinjaye, wanda shine. kawance da Iran, yana iko da gwamnati ta hanyar Syria zuwa Lebanon ga Hizbullah, wanda shi ne mayakan Shi'a, wanda ke aiki ta hanyoyi da yawa a matsayin wakili na Iran kuma gwamnatin Siriya ta sami goyon bayan gwamnatin Siriya kuma ta kasance daya daga cikin mafi tasiri na soja. Juriya da Isra'ila, daya daga cikin 'yan tsira. Amurka na yin hakan ne a wani bangare na hadin gwiwa tare da Isra'ila da Saudi Arabiya, wadanda ke fargabar wannan mummunan ra'ayi na jinjirin 'yan Shi'a a Gabas ta Tsakiya, kuma tana yin hakan ne don taimakawa a raba kasar Siriya. Wannan shi ne daya daga cikin dalilan da suka sa dakarun tsaron Siriya mafi akasarinsu na Kurdawa suke dauke da makamai, domin kwato Raqqa daga hannun ISIS.
Ina ganin wannan zai iya haifar da wani nau'i na yunƙuri na raba Siriya idan Amurka da gaske ta yi hakan. Idan har da gaske Amurka ta yi na kawo cikas ga wannan al’umma, to za ta samu kanta cikin rikici kai tsaye, ba wai kawai da mayakan Shi’a ba, wadanda tuni suke yankin. An riga an auna hare-hare da yawa a kansu, amma kuma da Iran da kuma yiwuwar tare da Rasha, wanda ya yi alkawarin kare gwamnatin Syria daga canjin gwamnati a rugujewar kasa.
Wannan shi ne bangon baya, amma akwai wasu bangarori na wannan. Idan muka koma ranar 4 ga Afrilu, lokacin da ake zargin cewa an kai harin sarin a Khan Sheikhoun a Al-Qaeda da ke iko da Idlib a arewacin Siriya, menene tushen hakan? Assad ya yi nasara. Gwamnatin Siriya ta yi nasara. A hakika babu wani dalili na tura harin makami mai guba. Tattaunawar da aka yi a Astana ba ta shafi Amurka ba, tsakanin gwamnatin Siriya da 'yan adawar Siriya masu samun goyon bayan Saudiyya, kuma sun yi tafiya mai kyau ga gwamnatin Siriya.
Trump, ta hanyar Nikki Haley da Rex Tillerson, kawai ya canza hanya kan manufofin Amurka da aka dade a hukumance, na ciyar da sauye-sauyen gwamnati a Syria, don haka duk wadannan abubuwan sun hade zuwa harin guba, wanda ya keta jan layi. {Asar Amirka ta koma kan sauya manufofinta na sauya tsarin mulki. Trump ya cika da wadannan hotunan da ya gani na fusatar yara da kungiyoyin da ke da alaka da ‘yan adawar Syria, da White Helmets, Syrian American Medical Society, da dai sauransu suka samar, kuma ya harba makami mai linzami na cruise, amma harin makami mai linzami na jirgin ruwa bai yi ba. isa. Sun kasance na alama. Sun lalata wasu jiragen sama da aka kasa sauka a tashar jiragen sama na Shirat, kuma ga dukkan alamu hukumar tsaron kasar na son karawa, don haka muna da wannan magana mai ban mamaki game da yiwuwar harin makami mai guba na Syria.
Kwana daya bayan da Bashar al-Assad ya kai ziyara birnin Hama, wanda ake ganin tamkar wani sansani ne, kuma sansanin da aka dade yana zaman turjiya na kishin Islama da gwamnatinsa, a hakika ya kai ziyarar sada zumunci a karon farko cikin shekaru da dama, yana mai nuni da yadda yakin yake da kyau. zuwa ga gwamnatin Siriya. Me ya sa za su so a jibge makamai masu guba da kuma sake kai wani hari na soja tare da sojojin Amurka da ke cikin kasar. Ba shi da ma'ana. A gare ni, yana kama da psyop, kuma yana sa ni damuwa cewa a cikin sa'o'i 48 masu zuwa, za a iya samun wani nau'i na harin Amurka na bai-daya a Siriya.
Aaron Mate: Max, yana iya zama kawai daidaituwa, amma dangane da lokaci, dole ne in yi mamaki, kuma, ko aƙalla nuna cewa wannan sanarwa daga Fadar White House ta zo daidai bayan Sy Hersh, wanda muka yi hira da shi a nan, ya buga wani labari. labarin da ke cewa Trump ya ci gaba da wannan harin ta sama a filin jirgin saman Siriya duk kuwa da cewa hukumar leken asirin Amurka ta ce ba su da wata shaida da ke nuna cewa Assad ya kai harin makami mai guba.
Max Blumenthal: Sy Hersh yana ambaton mai ba da shawara ga al'ummomin leken asiri, wanda ke cikin Hukumar Leken Asiri ta Tsaro da CIA, ya ce yajin aikin Khan Sheikhoun a watan Afrilu wani yajin aiki ne na gwamnatin Siriya, tare da hadin gwiwar Rasha da kuma Jihadist. abubuwan da ke kula da wannan yanki sun yi farfaganda a zahiri [ku 00:07:43] kuma sun yi nasarar sa Trump ya bugi gwamnatin Siriya tare da juyar da dukkan manufofinsa kan Siriya, wanda ya yi yakin neman zabe, wanda ke adawa da sauyin gwamnati. Wannan rahoton ya cika da fahimtar abin da ya faru, kodayake ba zan iya tabbatar da tutar ƙarya ba. Shaidar da ke nuna cewa an kai harin sarin da gwamnatin Siriya ta yi ita ce… Ba wai kawai yana da wahala a zo ba, kawai ba a yi la'akari da hankali ba, kuma bayanin dalilin da ya sa Assad ya ba da izinin irin wannan harin ya zama abin ban dariya a gare ni, cewa mu kawai zai bar shi ya rabu da komai, don haka kawai ya ji kamar zai iya yin duk abin da ya ga dama.
Ko da kun koma 2013, lokacin da Sy Hersh ya ba da ramummuka a cikin labarin da hukuma ta bayar game da harin sinadari a Gabashin Ghouta da ke gabashin Damascus, wanda ya kusan haifar da sauyin tsarin mulkin yakin Amurka. Dole ne mu tuna cewa yajin aikin ya faru. Dole ne mu yi la'akari da lokacin wannan yajin aikin. Kwanaki biyu bayan da sufetocin kungiyar da ke yaki da makamai masu guba suka isa Damascus, wannan harin ya afku. Lokaci ya yi kamun kifi sosai. Muna da lokuta uku na lokacin kifin da ya kai ga wannan mummunar sanarwa ta gwamnatin Trump, kuma Sy Hersh ya sake bullowa don huda ramuka a cikin labarin hukuma. Ina ganin wannan wani bangare ne na lokacin wannan magana, kuma dole ne mu yi tunanin me zai kai ga. Har yanzu ba mu fahimci dabarar da ke tattare da ita ba, kuma ina tsammanin hatta mutanen da ke cikin Pentagon suna mamakin abin da ya jawo shi.
Aaron Mate: A wannan batu na rashin alaka tsakanin ma'aikatar tsaron Amurka ta Pentagon da fadar White House, an samu dukkanin wadannan rahotannin da ke nuna cewa akwai jami'an fadar White House, irinsu Ezra Cohen-Watnick, wadanda ke jagorantar yunkurin yin arangama da Iran, amma ana ci gaba da yin su. sun gamu da turjiya daga mutanen da ke ma'aikatar tsaron Amurka ta Pentagon, wadanda suka ce ba sa son sanya sojojin Amurka kan wannan manufa a cikin Syria.
Max Blumenthal: Yaƙi ne da ba za a ci nasara ba. Zai zama manufa da ba za a iya cimma ba. Amurka kawai, ku yi hakuri, ba ta son zuba adadin jini da dukiyar da Iran, Siriya da Rasha suke da su, musamman Iran. Wannan kusan yana da mahimmancin dabarun rayuwa ga gwamnatin Iran don ci gaba da kasancewa tsakanin Iraki da Siriya. Ga Amurka, wani sabon tsarin mulkin mallaka ne wanda zai iya yin kuskure sosai, kuma idan sojojin Amurka suka fara mutuwa, wannan ba laifin kowa bane face Pentagon ta kyale, don sanya su cikin wannan yanayin, kuma da ba za su kasance suna kare duk wani mawuyacin hali ba. Sha'awar Amurka. Idan wani abu, suna kare muradun Isra'ila da Saudiyya ne.
Aaron Mate: Akwai wani labari a cikin jaridar Washington Post a makon da ya gabata, wanda wani jami'in fadar White House, wanda ba a bayyana sunansa ba, amma aka ambato, ya tabbatar da cewa da gaske Amurka tana dora Iran a matsayi daya da ISIS a cikin Syria dangane da ita. kasancewar fifiko. Jami'in ya ce, zan kawo abin da suka ce. "Idan baku tunanin Amurka tana da bukatu na gaske waɗanda suka cancanci yin yaƙi, to lafiya." Bari in tambaye ku, dangane da batun Iraki, kasancewar Amurka ta dogara da wadannan mayakan Shi'a da ke samun goyon bayan Iran a cikin Iraki, ba zai baiwa Iran damar hana arangamar Amurka a cikin Syria ba ko kuwa gwamnatin Trump ba ta damu da komai ba. haka kuma?
Max Blumenthal: Wannan ba shine kawai ƙarfin da Iran ke da shi ba. Za a iya kunna abubuwansu da za su iya sanya tsaron ofishin jakadancin Amurka da ke Bagadaza ya zama ba za a iya dorewa ba idan Amurka tana son ta kasance mai tayar da hankali da tashin hankali a cikin Syria, cikin Iraki ko kuma wani wuri. Shahararrun rundunonin tattara jama'a sun kasance a sahun gaba wajen kwato Mosul daga hannun ISIS. Abin mamaki ne domin an yi shagulgulan bukukuwan wadannan kungiyoyi a kafafen yada labaran Amurka da kafafen yada labarai na kasashen Yamma domin fatattakar ISIS, amma a lokacin da mayakan Shi'a suka taimakawa gwamnatin Siriya wajen fatattakar mayakan jihadi daga gabashin Aleppo, al-Jabhat al-Nusra ita ce kan gaba a cikin su, kungiyar Al-Syriya. -Masu alaka da Qaeda, an zarge su da kisan kiyashi daga gwamnatin Amurka da kowane irin ta'asa. Kadan ne daga cikinsu aka kafa a zahiri, amma akwai wannan munafunci a can kan abin da ke faruwa a Siriya da Iraki ko kuma rashin jituwa a cikin labarin abin da 'yan Shi'a ya halatta su yi, kuma saboda yana da mahimmancin dabaru ga Amurka ta sake kwacewa. Mosul, amma yakin Aleppo da fatattakar mayakan Jihadi a haƙiƙa yana wakiltar shan kashi ga ƙungiyoyin wakilai na Yamma da kuma shan kashi, a ce shi da rashin tausayi, ga daular.
Yanzu haka dai dukkan dakarun sun taru a kan iyakar Siriya da Iraki. An yi yaƙe-yaƙe guda biyu. Akwai yaki da ISIS, sannan akwai yakin da Amurka ke tallafawa da gwamnatin Syria. Yaƙe-yaƙe biyu sun yi karo da juna. Gwamnatin Siriya kamar yadda rundunar sojan Burtaniya ta kafa IHS James, ta yi yaƙi da kusan rabin ayyukanta da ISIS kuma, a cikin kalaman James, guduma ce ga abin da ya kamata Amurka ta yi yaƙi da ISIS, amma Amurka ta kasance koyaushe. farmakin da gwamnatin Syria ta yi ta hanyar wasu ‘yan amshin shata a lokacin da suke kokarin yakar ISIS. Ba za ta sake yin hakan ba saboda gwamnatin Siriya ta sake kwace yankuna da dama.
‘Yan adawa masu dauke da makamai sun kebe ne a wasu yankuna a Dura, Quneitra a kudu, da kuma arewa zuwa Idlib, don haka yake-yake na komawa daya, kuma abin tambaya a nan shi ne, shin Amurka za ta kyale gwamnatin Syria da kawayenta, ‘yan Shi’a. da kuma Rasha don a zahiri daukar ISIS. Misali, akwai birnin Darazor da ke arewa maso gabashin Siriya. Wannan birni dai ya kasance yana kewaye da kungiyar ISIS tsawon shekaru. Kuna da kusan mutane 200,000 waɗanda gaba ɗaya ISIS suka kewaye su, kuma sojojin Siriya sun kare su, asali sun hana su mamaye kamar Raqqa, kuma sojojin Siriya sun fara samun gagarumar nasara a Darazor.
Shin Amurka tana jefa sojojin tsaron Siriya a cikin mafi yawan mayakan Kurdawa da Amurka ke ba da makamai kuma suna dagula sojojin Siriya gaba saboda tsoron kada sojojin Siriya su fara kwato wasu yankuna, sun fara kwace wuraren mai da ISIS ta kwace, ya tayar da hankali. Shirin raba Amurka, ko suna barin ISIS ta ci nasara? Ina tsammanin za mu gani, kuma na ga maganganu masu karo da juna da kuma rahotanni masu karo da juna kan abin da Amurka ke son yi a kusa da Darazor, amma ba wai kawai Raqqa ba, mu kalli Darazor da abin da Amurka ke niyyar yi a can. .
Haruna Mate: Menene ku ke ganin wannan niyya?
Max Blumenthal: Za ku iya komawa zuwa Disamba 2016 lokacin da Sakataren Harkokin Wajen Amurka John Kerry ya tsagaita bude wuta na farko da Rasha, wanda ya ba wa fararen hula a Syria damar yin numfashi na wani dan lokaci. Gabaɗayan batu shi ne a bar mutane su fara samun wani nau'i na rayuwa ba tare da yaƙe-yaƙe da rikici na dindindin ba. An haɓaka wannan gaba ɗaya a kusa da Darazor, kuma an haɓaka shi saboda Pentagon ya fusata sosai game da ɗaya daga cikin manyan allunan ko yanayin tsagaita wutar, wanda shine Amurka zata haɗa kai da Rasha akan ISIS. Ma'aikatar tsaron Amurka ta Pentagon ba ta son hada kai da Rasha kan yaki da ISIS, akalla a karkashin Obama, karkashin kulawar sakataren tsaro Ash Carter.
Dakarun sojin saman Amurka sun kai wa sojojin Siriya hari a kan wani tsauni mai mahimmanci, inda suka kare Darazor daga hannun 'yan ta'addar ISIS, inda suka kashe sojoji 80-100. ISIS ta ci gaba, ta dauki tsaunin, kuma ta kusa mamaye Darazor, kuma tsagaita wutar ta mutu, kuma akwai alamu da yawa. Gareth Porter, dan jarida mai bincike, ya yi babban rahoto da ke tabbatar da cewa wannan yajin aikin da gangan ne, kuma an tsara shi don hana haɗin gwiwar Rasha / Siriya. Shin wannan tunanin da ya yi nasara a cikin Pentagon? Idan haka ne, ina ganin yana da matukar hadari, kuma bisa la’akari da tafiyar Trump zuwa Saudiyya, idan aka yi la’akari da wannan furucin da Nikki Haley, jakadiyar Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, ta dauki nauyin mallakarta, dole ne mu yi tunanin ko gwamnatin Trump ta mayar da martani ga yaki da kungiyar ISIS. ya kuma ba wa Iran karfi da karfin gwiwa, kamar Sakataren Tsaro Mattis, Daraktan Majalisar Tsaron Kasa HR McMaster, don kai wa Iran yakin.
Aaron Mate: Don fayyace kawai, layin Pentagon na hukuma akan wannan harin a watan Satumba daga Amurka akan sojojin Siriya shine kuskuren kai hari ta sama. Wannan shi ne bayanin da aka bayar a hukumance.
Max Blumenthal: Sun yi babban kuskure. Sojojin Siriya ba su yi kama da ISIS ba kuma suna da motoci masu sulke da kayan aikin da ISIS kawai ba ta da su. Idan kuskure ne, da gaske ne mai kashin kashi.
Aaron Mate: Max Blumenthal, marubuci mai nasara, ɗan jarida, kuma babban editan AlterNet Grayzone Project. Ni ne Haruna Mate. Mun gode da kasancewa tare da mu akan Labaran Gaskiya.
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